The Missed Potential of Water in Video Games

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  • why swimming so boring in games? :(
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  • @user-us5qd1uz3n
    @user-us5qd1uz3n 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3792

    why cant we drink the water?

    • @KOMAVEEYT
      @KOMAVEEYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +174

      S A L T

    • @NileMcKenna
      @NileMcKenna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Tastes weird

    • @Tristanissilly478
      @Tristanissilly478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

      I mean if mario odyssey can carbonate its water than why can't we just drink it

    • @EmeraldVA
      @EmeraldVA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Because it is most likely salt-water

    • @DORI7US
      @DORI7US 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      *slurp sownds*...need i say more

  • @NormalGuy-on7js
    @NormalGuy-on7js 2 ปีที่แล้ว +536

    Always remember…
    If you think the water level you’re playing is bad, don’t forget Kingdom Hearts 2’s “Atlantica” still exists.

    • @isaacsandroramos-smith2830
      @isaacsandroramos-smith2830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Or water temple in ocarina of time

    • @s-wo8781
      @s-wo8781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Atlantica is fine. It's actually a good level. What's with gamers and hating on water levels while y'all continue to play them?

    • @kcapila
      @kcapila 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@s-wo8781 Yeah, KH1 Atlantica is fun. KH2, not so much.

    • @thatitalianlameguy2235
      @thatitalianlameguy2235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Kh2 atlantica. Kh1 Atlantica is fine.

    • @totalradlad
      @totalradlad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      KH1 Atlantica is fine, but it's pretty limiting and slow compared to the other worlds.
      KH3 Carribean is pretty great, with good exploration and swimming controls.
      KH2 Atlantica is an abomination.

  • @ZenJestr
    @ZenJestr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    the wall kick/grab idea is GENIUS! it's actually my favorite part about real world swimming it's crazy that no game (as far as I know) has incorporated it. it seems like such an obvious mechanic.

    • @-KORAL_ZERO
      @-KORAL_ZERO 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      has anyone else played the fancy pants game?? it literally has this mechanic and its been here for so long lol

  • @johnm.8414
    @johnm.8414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    A good exception is Majora's Mask Zora form. The swimming in that game has such good controls. Quick, responsive, and with a magic barrier attack that keeps you moving.

    • @kylevasser6388
      @kylevasser6388 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Also snake pass, an unusual 3d platformer where the water is even more fun than the land parts

    • @AIFAM7
      @AIFAM7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ikr???

    • @juicebaggins
      @juicebaggins ปีที่แล้ว +2

      right?? i was surprised he didn't mention it

  • @tibb.y1892
    @tibb.y1892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    If splatoon had a water level I’d imagine it’d more of be like an aquarium kinda thing or giving you a suit that seals water and if could be a gimmick like cracks in the glass or you have to keep the suit sealed with air.

    • @bigfee900
      @bigfee900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      cool

    • @happy_amoeba
      @happy_amoeba 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Idea: a giant pool filled with ink. Better to be comepletely blind in a "water" level then just explode lol /j

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you mean that you have suit to protect the Inkling from water?

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @SoccChester
      Sometimes, it's not clear what they meant at first, but rereading the comment helps...

    • @superadentheagent5576
      @superadentheagent5576 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking of a potion they could drink so that water wouldn’t sink to far into their skin, with the effects only lasting after clearing the stage. But there would still be an air meter.

  • @Cashewz698
    @Cashewz698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +877

    I've never really had any issues with Subnautica and that entire game is underwater, which also has a very well process of depth as mentioned.

    • @janpirs2744
      @janpirs2744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Yes because the point of the game is underwater

    • @Cashewz698
      @Cashewz698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@janpirs2744 that doesnt change the fact that madz said videogames and water dont mix, regardless if its just 1 level or the entire game

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Not sure if that counts as a platformer as well, which harbor the main issues around that...

    • @mui_bigie2979
      @mui_bigie2979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Subnotica is scary tho

    • @meepmood6981
      @meepmood6981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Cashewz698 9:22

  • @shatteredstar2624
    @shatteredstar2624 2 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    All the drawn characters in this video look so nice… I’m not into video games, but I ended up watching the whole video just for the art

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      that’s so kind of you to think that! Glad the topic isn’t alienating, I really try to make sure anyone can enjoy my content regardless of topic

    • @mini-bi8482
      @mini-bi8482 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The same, bro

  • @Dani-yo
    @Dani-yo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3:53 finally the sprite sea

  • @guestb8389
    @guestb8389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +466

    Most of the time in video games, I am mentally propelled AWAY from water like a magnet. The only time this hasn't happened for me that I noticed is in Majora's Mask. Once you get the Zora Mask, swimming becomes SO much more fun because it is faster and you have more control.
    Perhaps if games were to add an item or ability early on that made swimming faster and more fun, maybe the water levels will become more bearable.

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Or maybe they could let you do that by default...

    • @Clepto_and_Co
      @Clepto_and_Co 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Mike14264 depends on the kind of game. Getting the Zora's mask is special because it lets you do that. If it were like that from the start, where would the excitement be? Also, the gravity suit in Metroid would just be an armor upgrade if moving in water wasn't so horrendous without it

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Clepto_and_Co yeah, I was still in the mindset about platformers when I wrote that... my bad. But yeah, maybe these items could be introduced before most water-heavy segments, and at least have default swimming not be a total pain...

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup

  • @RamensNoodles-me6ne
    @RamensNoodles-me6ne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    If there’s any game that does ocean levels well it’s Rayman Origins/Legends.
    They have it all:
    -No oxygen limit
    -Underwater Schmovement
    -diverse environments
    It’s good trust me

    • @gwan1714
      @gwan1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ah yes rayman legends, one of my fav levels are those underwater spy levels. And ori 2 has really really nice water movement too (once you have the upgrades)

    • @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some of my favorite levels from my favorite game

    • @TheLudicrousLuv
      @TheLudicrousLuv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Honestly id have been mad if he didnt mention rayman underwater levels because those go so hard

    • @yohhh6715
      @yohhh6715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      GLOO GLOO GLOO GLOOGLOOGLOO

    • @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      @rerrrrrrrrrrrrrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@yohhh6715 Best music level from the game

  • @kyoswimm
    @kyoswimm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think tropical freeze have some of my favorite water levels, period. One of them doesn’t even take place underwater- it takes place in a JUICE FACTORY. You’re swimming around in pink juice to avoid sharks and giant juicers. It’s so good.

  • @Toprak135
    @Toprak135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    0:01 *_THE GAMING_*

  • @JellyJessYT
    @JellyJessYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1953

    I love how Madz can do a video pretty much on any gaming related topic and makes it so interesting aha ALSO THE VISUALS ARE AMAZING AHH!

    • @Huedenne
      @Huedenne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      It's the mark of great personality and presentation for sure

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +162

      Thank you so much Jess!!

    • @nyaahaha.
      @nyaahaha. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@GetMadz hi -

    • @Angle_city_elite
      @Angle_city_elite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's a masterpiece it's a masterpiece

    • @koro394
      @koro394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GetMadz dude your visuals are amazing man you earned it

  • @rosettastar1442
    @rosettastar1442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +306

    You know, I'm actually on a game dev career path, so, once I'm able to get started, I'll take your suggestions and ideas into consideration!
    I agree, the ocean, and underwater environments in general, have SO MUCH POTENTIAL.. unfortunately gets wasted.

  • @blueboytube
    @blueboytube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I think Ori’s Luma Pools are amazing. The controls are pretty good, the switch between underwater and land is a key element and you can absolutely shoot out of the water. Also the environment is not the generic beach theme it’s a magical shell place with pink trees and it looks really good too

    • @jedidefence
      @jedidefence 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I 100% agree. It breaks the usual water level trope of slow, boring gameplay, and instead is a gorgeous area filled with interesting elements. It also has slower gameplay with a breath meter at the beginning, but it uses them effectively as part of the design, without it being shoehorned in and monotonous.

  • @yotsuba6352
    @yotsuba6352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I love water levels in Kirby games, they usually have a specific *flow* to them that makes them fun while not having them overstay their welcome ☺️

    • @GoroAkechi_Real
      @GoroAkechi_Real 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Except for that one water level in Triple Deluxe’s world Endless Explosions, because it’s a hybrid water/lava level. Most of the others are fine and the Forgotten Land ones are *really good* for water levels.

    • @Door227
      @Door227 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoroAkechi_Realwait are there even any underwater levels in kafl I thought it was only beach episodes

  • @martjanamoon1785
    @martjanamoon1785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    You can literally tell how the developers themselves dont want you to spend much time in the water, why would they otherwise limit your oxygen so you have to leave the water every few moments?
    Now that I think about it, that is really a weird design, them giving us a very limited time to spend in this environment they designed for us... they must hate water levels as much as everyone else

    • @Haganeren
      @Haganeren 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's easy to SAY that...
      Now let see all the playtester in the WORLD not understanding why the water in your game control like outer space without oxygen in your game because that's more fun... You will see pain.... mentioning
      But still... Sure we can still find it easily in Mario because he is a cartoon character ( In Mario Odyssey for exemple they resolved the problem by having you possess fish which is.. How you swim most of the time actually )... But for Monster Hunter ? Much much harder because realism come back.
      A very important rule to Game Design is to have something that feel "natural" in order to not explain anything to the player which is most likely why this design choice isn't as weird as the youtuber say it is.

  • @cammoore___
    @cammoore___ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    If there's no water in a video game, then no man can fall into the river in Lego City. This would be a massive problem.

    • @socki_da_drummer
      @socki_da_drummer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      havent thought about that meme in years

    • @cammoore___
      @cammoore___ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@socki_da_drummerwell now you have

    • @unfunnyguy1530
      @unfunnyguy1530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@socki_da_drummer you better start building that rescue helicopter

  • @antusFireNova64
    @antusFireNova64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    As an aspiring game designer, One of my life goals would be to revolutionize water leves for the reasons you described in the video
    And yes we should talk about the super chad Minecraft 1.13 water movement more often

  • @TheLastPichu
    @TheLastPichu ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:03 if there was an underwater level nobody would get to play as they would just keep drowning or exploding whatever

  • @fennecfoe
    @fennecfoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    when i played mario oddessy i turned off assistant mode when I got to the lake kingdom bcus it (assisted mode) lets you breathe underwater. I was SO confused trying to find the boss fight w/o arrows lol

    • @fennecfoe
      @fennecfoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @TommyGaming 🅥 you aren't clever ik this is a rickroll

    • @rocktoo7603
      @rocktoo7603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I always just looked at spots that look like a boss arena. Or just looked for the boss airship.

    • @boop7784
      @boop7784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@rocktoo7603 my logic exactly. "What place would be a good arena..... that would be a good one!
      *starts boss fight*
      "Knew it"

    • @pixelatedink774
      @pixelatedink774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wait people use assist mode?

    • @Luigi3289
      @Luigi3289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pixelatedink774 I do cause it’s easier underwater and it gives you more health

  • @milesperhour2286
    @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Well, I think the answer to all these things you asked for is the horrifying game I bought and never got out of the first area. Subnautica. It’s really easy to swim, there is the depth you mentioned, and it’s incredibly diverse. Problem is it’s so scary with the leviathans.

    • @Aegisdex
      @Aegisdex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It took me about an hour to have the balls to approach the aurora so yeah checks out

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Aegisdex I never even played in survival and couldn’t go anywhere near there.

    • @miigi-p4939
      @miigi-p4939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I played the game
      A fish screamed and exploded
      I uninstalled the game
      I am too scared of water in games in general even in mario galaxy
      It doesn't feel slow
      It feels scary

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@miigi-p4939 that sounds like the general experience of someone who played subnautica

    • @cyanorturquoise5989
      @cyanorturquoise5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Subnautica is AMAZING, YES!

  • @phantompop3192
    @phantompop3192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pretty clever use of the game boy start up sound ngl 1:41

  • @Hanrydd
    @Hanrydd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There's also a game themed around water: ABZÛ
    It's a short indie game with very beautiful environments (and music--)
    You can grab onto large fish and swim along with it. You can even jump out from water!! Feels amazing
    I'm actually surprised I don't see it mentioned that much

  • @CharacterDesignForge
    @CharacterDesignForge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +418

    Your production quality and value over the years man, I’m shedding a tiny tear. S’beautiful
    And I’m right there with you. Beautiful colorful ocean life, FLUID controls, it’s untapped and ripe for good gameplay!

    • @guiltytoastwithbutter8025
      @guiltytoastwithbutter8025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I’m here before this comment is rlly popular I agree so much!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Thank you so much for the support Brookes!! It truly means a lot coming from you

    • @59812
      @59812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      DUDE WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

    • @that1sprig
      @that1sprig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I didn’t expect you to be here!

    • @kastov74u
      @kastov74u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OGs remember the X's in the eyes

  • @AndroidHarris
    @AndroidHarris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I think the best example is the zora mask from majoras mask. No breathing and jet ski controls makes it super fun if only the great bay had went deeper underwater and had more enclosed areas and swimming challenges.

    • @ArtistLunatalia
      @ArtistLunatalia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And if they didn't make it worse on the 3DS remaster! The original controls were excellent and much more fun to play with.

    • @AndroidHarris
      @AndroidHarris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ArtistLunatalia I only played the 3ds version and even I think it was one of the best examples if the original was even better than that's pretty awesome.

  • @mrhinderance4279
    @mrhinderance4279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:02 This might sound weird, but Roblox in my opinion has a great water system. In the game Quill Lake, you dive underwater and collect artifacts. You have to first unlock freediving training, then a scuba suit, then specialty scuba suits designed for extreme heat, extreme cold, eradiated water, and even a disguise to enter a ghost pirate area. Basically, the deeper you go, the more stuff you have to do to successfully enter that area. It also has a blur effect is you're in an area that is dangerous to your current diving setup.

  • @FauxCr0w
    @FauxCr0w 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    With the having to breath thing, it'd be cool in a 3D zelda game to get a snorkel or some item/clothing set that allows you to go breathe under water

    • @ByteBits
      @ByteBits 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zora Tunic OoT (an item in a 3D Zelda game that allows you to breathe underwater)

  • @ThatCubicBoy
    @ThatCubicBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +465

    The animation is sooooo good! a big improvement on the art style too!

    • @idkwhatnametochoose6197
      @idkwhatnametochoose6197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ye thats what i was noticing loved the animation

    • @robosid8063
      @robosid8063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah!! But way does look like a FNF character. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • @beanz3623
      @beanz3623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      face bump and chin

  • @MsRGaymer4170
    @MsRGaymer4170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    3:14
    Fun fact, now we've acttually explored 20%

  • @-K_J-
    @-K_J- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Spyro trilogy had my favorite water levels. Sometimes I'd revisit them just to...hang around. There was no oxygen mechanic so there was no rush. It was just pretty.

  • @CleoVD
    @CleoVD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I’ve never watched one of your videos before but this was amazing, the visuals and ideas were all perfect. Although it doesn’t mean much from one random person, you’ve earned a like and subscribe without a doubt 👍

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      thank u so much! trust me that means a lot!!

  • @EingefrorenesEisen
    @EingefrorenesEisen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Personally I think oxygen is a perfectly fine mechanic. It just needs to be tuned to take longer, or be more accessible, or at least give players an option to have equipment.
    Having the oxygen meter imo adds a proper amount of tension, and can even be used to be purposefully scary for properly themed levels. I think the fear of it would be alleviated by more fun swimming mechanics like the ones you mentioned.
    Personally I'm also a fan of water levels and absolutely hate when a game makes me die when I touch water or doesn't let me explore it, or god forbid, even has an invisible wall in front of it.
    These days you really gotta test if water will kill you or not as it's never clear whether it will or not.

    • @Awesomeflame16
      @Awesomeflame16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it's completely perfect for Subnautica and done so well. when you are running out completely your screen starts blacking out adding even more tension, but if you manage to reach the water it'll immediately go back to normal

    • @lizando1326
      @lizando1326 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In monster hunter Tri you had oxygen tanks as consumables, so you didn’t always need to aim for air bubbles all the time or go out of the water. There was also some armor pieces that allowed you to have unlimited oxygen. Although the underwater combat is judged by many to be pretty janky, but I personally got used to it and grew with it being fine anytime I went in the water.

  • @TheRealJangjuviusJohnsonIII
    @TheRealJangjuviusJohnsonIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It's awesome when you change your artstyle ever so slightly every video but still a very beautifully animated video

    • @derpyface3602
      @derpyface3602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The mouth looks a little weird though…

  • @SuperStarStudiosPlush
    @SuperStarStudiosPlush 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm SO glad Kirby and the Forgotten Land got water levels right!

    • @Door227
      @Door227 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      While I love Kirby and the forgotten land, those are not water levels those are beach levels. Water levels mostly refer to going underwater

    • @SuperStarStudiosPlush
      @SuperStarStudiosPlush ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Door227 I guess that's true!

  • @eggsandwich3108
    @eggsandwich3108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:07 THERE ARE NO POSITIVE POINTS

  • @dkmainbtw
    @dkmainbtw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Subnautica has got me be my favorite water based video game of all time it's extremely fun and if you haven't played it you should definitely give it a try.

    • @dkmainbtw
      @dkmainbtw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For any new players make sure to head towards the spaceship early in the game

    • @snage-thesnakemage
      @snage-thesnakemage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He shows a clip @ 9:41 but then just doesn’t talk about it like????

  • @miles124awspme2
    @miles124awspme2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Kingdom Hearts 1’s Atlantica is legitimately one of the most painful gaming experiences in the industry, from the stupid dolphin mechanics to the abysmal Ursula final boss, it’s just a sad mess all around.

    • @WhimsicottFanatic
      @WhimsicottFanatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      And then KH2 went "Y'hear about rhythm games?"
      And also "You arbitrarily can't progress any further here in Jolly Roger Bay, come back later when you have The Thing that we decided you need"
      And the most laughable part is all you get for it is a Keyblade that boosts ice damage [so, y'know, Blizzard] and is as such only really useful for Data Axel [if you're playing Final Mix] and whatever other things have an ice weakness

    • @lylelylecrocodile2538
      @lylelylecrocodile2538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hydrocity zone from sonic 3 is also really hard

    • @thatitalianlameguy2235
      @thatitalianlameguy2235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lylelylecrocodile2538 it's an awesome water level and easy.

    • @lylelylecrocodile2538
      @lylelylecrocodile2538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thatitalianlameguy2235 for me it was hard because of the fish that didn't let you jump

  • @SluggerTheGrape
    @SluggerTheGrape 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kirby epic yarn has exactly what you're talking about when it comes to pressure. More specifically with the dolphin power up and I've got to say it's real fun to mess around with :)! It also proves it can be done

  • @spindriftizded2033
    @spindriftizded2033 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:20 fish

  • @that1sprig
    @that1sprig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    If there’s one game I think has good underwater levels, I’d have to say Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. Sure, yeah, slippery controls, but that’s pretty much a given in underwater levels. But there are enough movement options to keep it interesting and fast paced more so than other games. And I noticed the art style improvement! It looks great!

    • @jclkaytwo
      @jclkaytwo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the fast movement and especially the variety of scenery/gameplay elements makes the underwater levels in tropical freeze some of the best. amiss abyss has gotta be my favourite underwater level I've played in a game. and they actually managed to make an underwater boss fight decently fun.

    • @unfunnyguy1530
      @unfunnyguy1530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      rayman origins did it first

    • @trashratx2438
      @trashratx2438 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@unfunnyguy1530 Rayman legends had pretty good water levels too

    • @Handles_be_dumb
      @Handles_be_dumb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Majora's Mask had really fun swimming in the Zora form.

  • @stopmotion2645
    @stopmotion2645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    For me, I just don’t like the sudden slowness of water levels.

  • @femboyelf5929
    @femboyelf5929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Water levels scare me, and I think is what spawned my fear of the ocean. The time limit of how much air you have, it reminds me of swimming too deep in the pool and not knowing if you'll be avle to make it back up. The stressful music when you are running out of air only amplifies that. The sluggish controls that make it seem like you couldn't get away from a threat if you needed to, because I know that me/my character is the fish out of water here, everything else can move fast and see perfectly, leaving me vulnerable. I think this mainly came from Mario 64 and old Sonic games, I vividly remember hating their levels, but even to this day if platformers have underwater parts I feel uneasy. Which also means games like Raft and Subnautica are off the table, especially subnautica. I'm not only scared of the ocean and the deep water, but what you find in that water too. Subnautica is basically all my anxiety related to the ocean wrapped up in a pretty little bow.

  • @Num1MarioFan
    @Num1MarioFan ปีที่แล้ว +5

    4:41 Wowza!

  • @plaguedocgames7364
    @plaguedocgames7364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I like how Shovel Knight did water. Your speed stays the same but your jump is enhanced and your descent is slightly slower. More control, less restrictions, adds on to the overall gameplay.

    • @LoraLoibu
      @LoraLoibu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ah, yes. The Mega Man approach

  • @PikaSmasha
    @PikaSmasha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    5:17 I haven't heard that name in a while. All jokes aside though, Gloo Gloo is one of if not the best water level in terms of controls and stuff like that

  • @emperorbooglitch8540
    @emperorbooglitch8540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And then there is Lego, which basically just said "Walk with Powerup, swim without it" and then they basically still say the same thing except for Pirates of the Carribean, where they added the breathing mechanic to limit your swimming.
    Also, yeah, Minecraft is cool, I loved their swimming mechanics except when I am hungry and I don't have food because I want to set up a farm.
    And finally, your art really did improve since I first seen you in 2017 and last saw you back in 2020! Really neat to see you up here.

  • @blipwazhere4162
    @blipwazhere4162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man, I wish I knew what Madz was talking about when he mentions how fun swimming is. I can't swim.

  • @ilan_profile
    @ilan_profile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Idk whats different in this video BUT I LOVED IT, THE VISUALS AND PACING WERE SO PERFECT OMG
    Glad to see you back Madz!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      thank you so much this comment is bringing tears to my eyes!

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GetMadz hey! Umm, I’ve been making a lot of these comments but, have you heard of Subnautica? It’s got good swimming mechanics, there is still oxygen requirements (that you can upgrade), the depth and darkness thing, diverse biomes, pollution, terrifying sea creatures, etc.

    • @michaelnelson1127
      @michaelnelson1127 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@milesperhour2286 That was actually the third game he showed during the positive settings section, when he said “those are the only two.” As for why he glossed over it, I think your last point makes it pretty clear.
      I’m actually more surprised he didn’t mention Abzu. I haven’t played it myself, but from what I’ve seen and heard, it’s a 3D game you spend almost entirely underwater, but the controls are nice, and the environments are absolutely beautiful.

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelnelson1127 I didn’t see subnautica… I’ll have to rewatch it, but your the only one that has said he mentioned it.

    • @milesperhour2286
      @milesperhour2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelnelson1127 he did show it. But I had to really focus on the gameplay because he says something that sounds like a game that I couldn’t recognize in that section.

  • @disneyvillainsfan1666
    @disneyvillainsfan1666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Can we address how In 3D Mario games (With 3D World as an exception) Mario has an air meter, but in the 2D Games, he can swim underwater fine without an air limit. 🤔

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      HMMMM...

    • @melonadeplays231
      @melonadeplays231 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He lost his old lungs

    • @PhantomOfficial07
      @PhantomOfficial07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think it's because in 3D World and the 2D games it's linear and focused on getting to the end of the level and not collecting things so having an air meter there would be even more pointless and make the game just worse

    • @RealQuarlie
      @RealQuarlie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You see, in a 2D world, volumes don't exist, and therefore air doesn't exist... neither water... or atoms to begin with...

  • @sketchygarden
    @sketchygarden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is so much work put into these videos. The art and animation in this one especially is stellar and it's so visually engaging. You did not need to go this hard but I want to be vocal about how impressive it is!

  • @alfonsoroneras7821
    @alfonsoroneras7821 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Top 10 british moments
    Number 1: 0:44

  • @squarrot9355
    @squarrot9355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ok I'm going to make a niche reference:
    *Jumpstart*
    They had an underwater area and it was so fun; no breathing, big open world, fun quests, you could walk on the floor or swim, it was so good

  • @drewdonewell2568
    @drewdonewell2568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    2:44 the sonic rush adventure soundtrack 🔥🔥

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you know it

  • @SlippyBoyOfficial
    @SlippyBoyOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow what a great video!! It was an interesting essay with great humor, great tunes, and FANTASTIC consistent visuals!! You and your team can consider yourselves a new source of inspiration for me and I'm sure many others! Keep up the juicy content! Easy sub :)

  • @jmad6476
    @jmad6476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i barely remember most water levels in videogames. Kirby's epic yarn water levels? I can tell you what happens in that game; some crazy ass shit! Kirby and Prince Fluff turn into tiny submarines underwater and they go about the same speed on land as in water. And you got the beach world with the level with the shifting water levels, the one with the dolphin and you just tear through enemies and also JUGGLE BALLS! THATS AWESOME! And the part where you're getting chased by a big ass anglerfish god I love that game :)

  • @LukemoLegend
    @LukemoLegend 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I didn't know madz was obsessed to just some hydrogen and oxygen mixed together.

  • @PixelaGames2000
    @PixelaGames2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I know a 3D game that dose water levels really well Spyro the dragon
    In Spyro you can dash underwater witch means you can move freely underwater and faster as well
    Also there’s no air meter so you don’t have to worry about drowning
    There’s also games that take place entirely underwater like ubosu and subnadinca

    • @machineaspirant1720
      @machineaspirant1720 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed, Spyro did an excellent job with its water levels.

  • @darienb1127
    @darienb1127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So I really like the idea of being able to grab and kick off of surfaces! But I feel in an action game (Think of something like Kingdom Hearts for example) we cna expand upon it. What if you could use the walls and enemies in your attacks? Like imagine being able to use an enemy, and then kick off of them to home in on anothet target. Additionally, you could kick off the walls to dive at your foes! If you are good you can chain these together and make them part of your combos. In a way, It's like Flowmotion from Dream Drop Distance. But I feel that it could work so well!

  • @scumbagsteve908
    @scumbagsteve908 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like a good example of how to due controle in a water area is the Zora Mask in Majoras Mask. Unlike in Ocarina of Time were you just kinda slog around in the water at a snails pace, the Zora form lets you swim through the water like a hot knife through butter, and unsurprisingly it is actually fun to have just as much controle in water as on land. Hell I would argue it is alot funner swimming in the game than walking around (just like real life). I wish more games would have swimming like this, since imo the swimming itself is what makes or breakes a water level.

  • @arloverde4099
    @arloverde4099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I first saw this, I was like “Mass is totally gonna talk about subnautica”
    Nope

    • @EmeraldVA
      @EmeraldVA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's exactly how I felt, I was so sad when Subnautica was absent.

  • @wipvideos
    @wipvideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    In Pikmin 4 I would love to see a location that takes place in a coral reef or the deepest depths of the ocean. That could lead to some more ridiculously cool boss fights and character designs!

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      omg that's such a good idea!!

    • @Wildcard_Ninja
      @Wildcard_Ninja 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So a Blue Pikmin exclusive area? That would be sick, imagine you crash somehow and are drifted on a little island surrounded by water and you have to use blue pikmin to return to the main land and you build a bridge later on for convience

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😲 - That would be a very cool idea!

  • @simon-ricardokuhn1713
    @simon-ricardokuhn1713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure if this fits here but there's a game, GO Vacation, where you can freely roam around in the resorts. Mii's are also playable. You can swim around in the water but you can't free dive, which is kinda disappointing. There's a SCUBA activity but that's different. I would love to freedive around in the Marine Resort with a Mii buddy following me or having a holding-breath-competition. Or how about something like this but in Wuhu Island? That would be cool, too!

  • @Dice27
    @Dice27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    really liked this video, as well as the ideas you brought to fix these issues with water levels! I hope you'll grow even more!!

  • @Awesomemay
    @Awesomemay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nintendo water looks so quenchable it would taste so good

  • @lordroy88
    @lordroy88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love how in Mario kart the underwater makes you more floaty and faster in currents. Plus some of the best tracks in the series are underwater. Koopa Cape, piranha plant slide, Wario Shipyard, Dolphin shoals etc

    • @jclkaytwo
      @jclkaytwo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      koopa cape in mario kart wii actually has normal driving physics, as you are surrounded by a glass tunnel. mario kart 7's version is a different story, that was underwater.

  • @jasongold4312
    @jasongold4312 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo, just found your channel. Love the video, lots of fun. Absolutely in love with your character art. It's so fun and expressive.

  • @tiffani3972
    @tiffani3972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:17 my man literally described point launch from the PlayStation Spider-man games

  • @lucasnoble2554
    @lucasnoble2554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Getmadz: uploads a video
    Everyone: the return of the king.

  • @jedidefence
    @jedidefence 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Actually a great video. perfect Idea and execution. Your content is the prefect blend of comedy and actual talk about game design. You and GMTK are some of my fav youtubers :)

  • @michellehorton6669
    @michellehorton6669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:29
    Subnautica: Am I a joke to you?

  • @paigespears2106
    @paigespears2106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One game I absolutely love and has a lot of water levels is a ds game called The Legendary Starfy! There is no oxygen meter because you play as a starfish named starfy, and you get to swim around just as fast as you run on land. I remember having so much fun spin attacking underwater, because it gives starfy an underwater boost and drill attacks any enemy in your way. And there were underwater currents that made you swim faster, and in a future world, there were floating water bubbles that you had to swim-jump from bubble to bubble. It was a blast.

  • @JoJo-ps8ik
    @JoJo-ps8ik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Have you played ABZU? The whole game is underwater and fixes like everything you’ve talked about. The controls are fun and you move quickly which makes it the best water controls in my opinion.

    • @magictriangle6878
      @magictriangle6878 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I thought he'd say it had the best controls, but Minecraft is funnier

  • @tzPxlPlyzYT
    @tzPxlPlyzYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dude water levels will always be my favorite type of level
    Everything about them is just so fresh
    but I do agree there were missed oppurtunities

  • @theshellmaker
    @theshellmaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    if you want a game with good water levels try "The Legendary Starfy" (half the game takes place under water), its an old game for the ds but it might be on some virtual consoles considering how they made starfy an assist trophy in smash

  • @thesupermariolorisreal
    @thesupermariolorisreal ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:27 apology not accepted

  • @tdftstudios
    @tdftstudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Madz art styles are like pimples.... *They always pop up and are always changing.*

  • @twoone4574
    @twoone4574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Subnautica is a water game done right. The only problems are the pop in (which is even worse on switch) and the leviathans that want to kill you.

    • @DeadbushCarrot
      @DeadbushCarrot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude the pop in on xbox1 and ps4 was fine it is fixed a bit in the ps5 version and the switch is runing on a rock with potato on a led screen

  • @thatrandomredengine9430
    @thatrandomredengine9430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the ocean, I love the beach, I hate that summer is limited to a few months in a year…in more places.

  • @D3STROYER6969
    @D3STROYER6969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *A Q U A T I C A M I B I E N C E* 0:33

  • @r.r.doublecross1251
    @r.r.doublecross1251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wanted to mention that Starfy on DS is a great underwater game that I highly recommend to underwater enthusiasts. 👍

  • @cosmicspacething3474
    @cosmicspacething3474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:39 I also heard Starfy is pretty good

  • @felonyx5123
    @felonyx5123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always found the swimming in Spyro fun, just rocketing around with the charge in three dimensions. I liked leaping out of the water like Spyro was a dolphin just for the sake of it.

  • @jellyshyda3770
    @jellyshyda3770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Okay this depth idea is really cool. Might use this mechanic in one of my game projects, it would fit in nicely

  • @ratspy-yn9hn
    @ratspy-yn9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    water level concepts: instead of having oxygen you have a pressure meter where you cant go up to fast or you get a cramp and start falling deeper and the area is super polluted at the top but the deeper you go despite your sight being more and more limited you see more enemies more passive npcs and at the bottom your at the hydrothermal vents these have yeti crabs that are hostile but are blind and will go to sounds and stuff and will attack you if you get to close dealing heavy damage you also have vampire squid that when you get close they blind you with green ink making your character immobile for a short time as they run away but attack them and they'll take up their spikey cape of teeth and latch on to your head and you have to mash the A button to get the squid off and while your being attacked the vampire squid will be healed by its dps so it deals 2 damage and has a dps of 8 so yeah also for the boss there you find this volcano that is quaking with glowing star fish and kelp on it and the surrounding yeti crabs are saying they cant eat from it so you attack it and it gets up out of the ground with these coral tubes for fingers and it fires a lot of pressure out of its coral tubes also when getting above it it will erupt causing you to overheat and take damage and you don't wanna swim up to fast or that pressure meter is gunna destroy you because you will fall into it and be erupted out with half of your total hp removed so if you have 10 hp it goes to five and if you have 20 it goes to 10 and you get it and you will also take some overheat damage and the pressure corals that shoot out compressed water will launch you into stuff like rocks and crap but it can also suck you in getting you stuck on it as the underwater volcano heats you up before shooting you into a rock or a yeti crab and in phase 2 it starts running away from you still attacking by launching stuff out of its volcano that will overheat you then you reach a brine lake where you fight it and in the end it falls into the brine lake dying and you get the coral pressurizer as the a weapon it launches targets back or sucks them in sucking a target in can allow you to get 5 hits on it max before either the target breaks free or you shoot it into a rock it essentially is a better gravity gun from half life being able to grab targets and shoot them into stuff and if you shoot your target at closer range the more impact damage it does this also depends on the surface your target hits the strongest being rocks steel and spikes you can also launch ragdolls and its really fun and you can use it to launch your self by shooting it at the ground making you essentially rocket jump but you take no damage and you get sent further flying also it include the other underwater physics included in the video end of idea.

    • @nethowarrior3294
      @nethowarrior3294 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      this is the most absurd run-on sentence i have ever read. please add some capitalization. a comma, perhaps?

    • @ratspy-yn9hn
      @ratspy-yn9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nethowarrior3294 no

    • @polarispulsar
      @polarispulsar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Grammarly can help you knock down wordy and hard to read sentences into well formatted easy to read sentences.

  • @MantaKizaemonFTW
    @MantaKizaemonFTW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one of my favorite videos of yours. The Wii sports resort music at some bit of the bit made me realize something. I would LOVE to see a game that's like Wii Sports Resort, but with a priority for water activities

  • @piber_3927
    @piber_3927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:07 scuba diving at quill lake

  • @WhatIsMyPorpoise
    @WhatIsMyPorpoise 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fun fact: you can actually boost yourself underwater in 3 ways: swimming boots(depth strider enchantment), dolphins(swim speed boost when nearby), and finally...
    tridents. With the Riptide enchantment, you get an attack that propulses you in whichever direction you choose, basically the cling mechanic you described. It's honestly one of the funnest ways to move around in minecraft and allows for platforming in minecraft using water platforms.

  • @portalmastergavin605
    @portalmastergavin605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I require more oil spill themed water levels I am completely deprived

  • @theguywhodoesthings9608
    @theguywhodoesthings9608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As I am learning to be a game desighner myself, all of this would actually work amazingly!

  • @sledgen.
    @sledgen. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is amazing. I've wanted someone to make a video like this for SUCH a long time!

  • @ETYMF2003
    @ETYMF2003 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your illustrations and animations are great!!

  • @fredducine7109
    @fredducine7109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love this new animation style and the expressions! It goves you a lot more personality :)

  • @yolomationanimation9784
    @yolomationanimation9784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    These are really great points, and there’s one thing I’m very curious about and wanna see.
    Blind water
    Basically like black ink or oil patches spewed into the water in certain areas causing light to be obscured and almost act as that section in breath of the wild where that forest was super duper dark and then you accidentally ram yourself into the hands of a stone talus or something

  • @DianaDoesDozens
    @DianaDoesDozens ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video is pure amazingness! The colors, the animation itself, and the narration!! Everything is just so good!! You earned a sub :D
    *like you have earned 447k others-*

  • @mattblaster2378
    @mattblaster2378 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I a little surprised you didn’t mention how most Mario games have tight and fast under water controls but are locked behind power ups in the 2d games like the frog or penguin or are lock behind gimmicks in the 3D games most common is the shell.

    • @GetMadz
      @GetMadz  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting point!

  • @Tristanissilly478
    @Tristanissilly478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ok but seriously, I LOVE mario 64's underwater levels. I know sometimes the camera is just a bad time but the music though is just so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!

  • @Seba_19
    @Seba_19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If you want a amazing (and terrifying) underwater game, play Subnautica.

    • @DeadbushCarrot
      @DeadbushCarrot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now with subnautica below zero

  • @Snakesrcool2003account
    @Snakesrcool2003account 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think this is like my favorite animated character / gameplay type channel now

  • @Tuko2467
    @Tuko2467 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should do more videos like this. It’s fun to hear creative solutions and it gets viewers thinking.