have a free idea lads. "Rick's Revenge", a spin off series of break 75. rick and his team find a subscriber out there (bonus points if they have been talking rubbish) and he's brought into the videos to post a score. the camera pressure. the rulings. the blow up holes. just as much as we can talk about how good tour pros really are, it's easy to forget how good youtuber golfers really are
I was lucky enough to play a PGA course (Warwick Hills in Michigan) on a Monday following the tournament back in 2003 when I was 19. Real tournament conditions and Sunday pin placements. I believe the winner that week shot around -24 or something. At the time I was a 3hcp. I shot 79 and I was THRILLED! I three putted 4 times. It was so hard. These pros are just so, so good it’s ridiculous.
Obviously we found out yesterday how you did, I can’t wait for the video of it, looks like you played amazing for the most part except for a couple of hole, of which, I’m assuming you went OB or in the water, gutted for you, but also very proud of you, very well done pal
On the topic of the average golfer playing in a PGA tournament which I completely agree should be a thing, I think one important aspect was massively overlooked. The mental side of golf is just as important as the skill side, so to Rick’s point I think simulating it wouldn’t have the same effect as an actual person playing demonstrating just how nervy any average player would also be as compared to how mentally stable the pros are able to keep themselves
Tour pro handicaps, Another way of looking at it is…. The more holes they play the more under par they get. A club golfer with a handicap the more holes they play the more over par they get. The difference between the two are continually increasing.
Jack didn’t treat majors like just another tournament by his own words and he won 18 so I don’t think there’s much to that “claim” if they’re winning majors
With being left handed I had a club fitting at ping at Gainsborough, after trying various clubs and shafts the best for me was my own clubs being retro lofted, hats off to ping I was looking at spending approx £1200 and walked away just £35 lighter
I actually watched the whole final round of LIV this week and enjoyed it. Probably because I like Hatton, but it was a good watch. I'm slowly getting over the LIV divide. There are some players there that I enjoy watching, even if I don't fully buy into the team event, etc. It was decent to watch.
I love and respect my Mother and Daughters. And don't view them as lesser humans or property to be done with as I please. Unlike the family that runs and funds liv golf. That's a divide that I will never get over. My mother raised me better than that.
Great Podcast as always, regarding the level of how those players play, I might give an example. Some years ago I went to Vilamoura in Portugal a week before the Victoria Course was closed for the Portugeese open. We were all single Hcp. And we were not allowed to enter the Championship tees. We really struggled and non of us was able to shoot close to our HCP because the greens were redicules, I remeber the first tee when we shot slightly right into the Rough (maybe 10-15 cm thik) and the starter said we might should a provisional. we didn't and did not find the balls, this is how thik this stuff was. All the C-Tees were very far back, so after the round we were wondering what those DP world tour Pros would shood around there. And we were so sure that the course is that difficult that a -5 or -6 would win the thing. Winning score was -23 at the end. That was rediculess and shows that they actually play a different game than us humans! Regarding the fitting, I had such a fitting where I was going to be fitted for irons and the fitter send me away with the words, new irons would not benefitt you at all, same with the driver, I bought 4 Wokeys but that's another story ;-)
Young may have hit 59 with preferred lies, but that was the same for the entire field that day and it helped him get into the top 10 for the tournament and bank over $500K. So it counts for a lot for him.
I asked ChatGPT: what would an average 18 handicap golfer shoot around a golf course in tour conditions? An 18 handicap golfer is generally expected to shoot around 18 strokes over the course rating under normal conditions. However, golf courses set up for professional tournaments, commonly referred to as "tour conditions," present significantly more challenging circumstances than typical courses. These conditions include: 1. **Longer Course Length**: Professional courses are often longer, with more demanding tee placements. 2. **Faster Greens**: Greens are maintained at a higher speed, requiring more skill to navigate. 3. **Thicker Rough**: The rough is usually thicker and more penal, making it harder to recover from off-line shots. 4. **Pin Positions**: Pin positions are often set in more challenging locations. 5. **Increased Pressure**: The overall atmosphere can add psychological pressure, although this might not directly apply to a casual player. Given these factors, an 18 handicap golfer would typically score higher than usual. Here’s a breakdown of the expected scoring: Estimating the Score in Tour Conditions 1. **Baseline Handicap Scoring**: - An 18 handicap golfer is expected to shoot about 90 on a par-72 course under normal conditions. 2. **Adjustments for Tour Conditions**: - **Longer Course**: Adds 2-4 strokes due to longer holes and potentially higher difficulty in reaching greens in regulation. - **Faster Greens**: Adds 2-3 strokes because of increased three-putts and difficulty in approach shots. - **Thicker Rough**: Adds 2-3 strokes due to more difficult recovery shots and increased likelihood of bogeys or worse. - **Challenging Pin Positions**: Adds 1-2 strokes due to more difficult putts and increased chances of missing greens. - **Psychological Pressure**: Adds 1-2 strokes for the challenge of facing a more demanding course setup. Expected Score Range By adding these adjustments, we can estimate: - **Normal Condition Score**: 90 (18 over par on a par-72 course) - **Tour Condition Adjustments**: 8 to 14 additional strokes (combined impact of various factors) Therefore, the expected score for an 18 handicap golfer under tour conditions would be in the range of **98 to 104**. Considerations - **Skill Level Variations**: Individual golfers' ability to adapt to difficult conditions can vary, so some might perform slightly better or worse. - **Course Specifics**: Different courses might have specific features that could further impact scoring. For instance, courses with significant water hazards might add even more strokes. Summary An 18 handicap golfer can expect to shoot between **98 and 104** on a golf course set up for a professional tournament, assuming the course is a standard par-72 layout. This estimate accounts for the increased difficulty posed by tour conditions and the golfer’s typical performance under normal circumstances.
This perfect example of why Chat GPT and all other LLM are not AI but just mashing up stuff they were fed without any real understanding. 18 hendicap amateur golfer would shoot atleast double of what he shoots on an actual professional tournament course.
tough run at the qualifier. People don't really realize just how much different tournament play is. Besides the courses being harder or whatever. Just the mentality of it is so tough without a bunch of recent tournament golf under your belt.
I'm having absolutely none of that waffle about Cam Youngs 59 "not counting".. he made that under tour conditions in a big tournament. He didn't do himself any favours either leaving it in the rough on 2/3rds of the shots...
I just learned who won LIV Nashville just now. Because I didn’t seek it out. Saying it didn’t feel like there was a PGA. tournament makes sense because you didn’t seek it out.
I will die on the hill that a 59 on a par 70 doesn’t “count”. I’ve always argued Bryson bangs on about his 58 way too much considering that was a 70 also. Obviously impressive, but not the same
Love the pod guys but Ricks nose whistling whilst Guy talks is most eps now and although it’s not that obvious, if your listening in headphones or when driving with windows down etc it becomes so loud and distracting 😂 can Rick lower the mic whilst guys talking 🎤 An Example is 7:20-8:00 Otherwise love the pod
I dont like the Rick's AI idea, the pressure is part of it. Lets see Grant Horvat play in actual pro tournament, lets see some 10 handicap play. I am sure they would settle the nerves in after 5 holes.
How come Rick Shiels has so many 45 year old male Taylor Swift type fan boys? C'mon lads he provides decent youtube content but lets keep calm, he's a a solid 8 handicapper at best
Rick is finally getting around to figuring out that the key to better golf for him now lies between his ears :) AND... yes, let's get a group of scratch golfers, 9 and 18 handicappers to play. The "person" playing would show EXACTLY how a real person would do with the crowd and pressure and course conditions, etc. That's what we want.
Guy was on form today. Tour players should have handicaps. Then the majors could become stableford events where you add strokes to the players according to their handicaps. Play badly until the majors and then cash in. 😅😅😅
Can you imagine what it would be like if one of your best friends from college did an hour-long podcast about how you having no chance to make the Open? I wonder how that would make you feel... Luckily your friends from college have more class than you and that little Guy on your podcast. Hollywood shiels
Open qualifying again? lol. Good luck with that Rick. I will give you one billion euros if you do. I donìt think I have anything to worry about. And whats with those huge microphones you and Guy are using? Can't you just get some good ones that clip on your shirts?
Al Geiberger was the first to shoot 59 and preferred lies was in effect. No one thinks that should have an asterisk so why should Cam’s? It’s a hell of a round no matter what.
Most par 70s have 2 long par 4s in place of 2 easy par 5s. I think 59 is legit on a tournament level course. Justin Rose was my favourite break 75. Well played Rick
I think we have to look at what Scottie is doing, all be it good in its own right, doesn't compare to past , or Tiger. The fields are not the same, with the split of leagues and DP World Tour, you can not say he's going up against the best fields and players at top of game every week, like we saw a decade ago.
Rick, I truly appreciate your honestly and insights into your game. I do wish that you would work on your golf more so you would play more consistently -- us long time fans really can feel your frustration. Best wishes for your round today.
lack of playing time etc and tough conditions all contribute but i really think a full bag fitting with Mr. Fraser in Toronto would a thousand percent help improve his scores
25:38 spectators would be in danger too. Also, the PGA Tour has been doing landing zones and hypothetical tracers for high handicappers but it basically only represents distance on a good shot, not duffs or tops or slices etc.
I had a fitting a few years ago. Bought irons and wedges. When it came to driver the fitter told me to save my money and get some lessons instead. Loved the honesty! My game has improved.
I love Tyrrell, he’s a breath of fresh air & wears his heart on his sleeve. Kids swearing sorta went out the window back in the early 2000’s with ‘The Ozbournes’ haha!
Love your honesty Rick: “I’ve no idea what I am doing in this practice round” 😂😂 keep up the hard work love the videos!!
have a free idea lads. "Rick's Revenge", a spin off series of break 75. rick and his team find a subscriber out there (bonus points if they have been talking rubbish) and he's brought into the videos to post a score. the camera pressure. the rulings. the blow up holes.
just as much as we can talk about how good tour pros really are, it's easy to forget how good youtuber golfers really are
Having seen the results, I guess it didn’t go well, but at least you got a better score than Peter Finch!
I was lucky enough to play a PGA course (Warwick Hills in Michigan) on a Monday following the tournament back in 2003 when I was 19. Real tournament conditions and Sunday pin placements. I believe the winner that week shot around -24 or something. At the time I was a 3hcp. I shot 79 and I was THRILLED! I three putted 4 times. It was so hard. These pros are just so, so good it’s ridiculous.
I would definly love to see more fitting videos at places like titleist that would be top 👌
Obviously we found out yesterday how you did, I can’t wait for the video of it, looks like you played amazing for the most part except for a couple of hole, of which, I’m assuming you went OB or in the water, gutted for you, but also very proud of you, very well done pal
Did he post his results on social media or did I miss a video? I saw he finished 9 over but had to dig through the open website.
@@sgttoxiiczzsomeone posted a video going over his score
His back 9 was good except for the last hole
@@Oze355 can’t wait for the video to come out, I would have gone, but I needed to work
Brilliant Video absolutely amazing.
Great to see you break T100 RS.... keep doing the great golf mate🎉
On the topic of the average golfer playing in a PGA tournament which I completely agree should be a thing, I think one important aspect was massively overlooked. The mental side of golf is just as important as the skill side, so to Rick’s point I think simulating it wouldn’t have the same effect as an actual person playing demonstrating just how nervy any average player would also be as compared to how mentally stable the pros are able to keep themselves
Tour pro handicaps,
Another way of looking at it is…. The more holes they play the more under par they get. A club golfer with a handicap the more holes they play the more over par they get. The difference between the two are continually increasing.
Jack didn’t treat majors like just another tournament by his own words and he won 18 so I don’t think there’s much to that “claim” if they’re winning majors
Saw your score yesterday, and to be honest it wasn't that bad except for a couple of holes . Once your consistency improves, your scores will match .
With being left handed I had a club fitting at ping at Gainsborough, after trying various clubs and shafts the best for me was my own clubs being retro lofted, hats off to ping I was looking at spending approx £1200 and walked away just £35 lighter
I actually watched the whole final round of LIV this week and enjoyed it. Probably because I like Hatton, but it was a good watch. I'm slowly getting over the LIV divide. There are some players there that I enjoy watching, even if I don't fully buy into the team event, etc. It was decent to watch.
I love and respect my Mother and Daughters. And don't view them as lesser humans or property to be done with as I please. Unlike the family that runs and funds liv golf.
That's a divide that I will never get over. My mother raised me better than that.
Great Podcast as always, regarding the level of how those players play, I might give an example. Some years ago I went to Vilamoura in Portugal a week before the Victoria Course was closed for the Portugeese open. We were all single Hcp. And we were not allowed to enter the Championship tees. We really struggled and non of us was able to shoot close to our HCP because the greens were redicules, I remeber the first tee when we shot slightly right into the Rough (maybe 10-15 cm thik) and the starter said we might should a provisional. we didn't and did not find the balls, this is how thik this stuff was. All the C-Tees were very far back, so after the round we were wondering what those DP world tour Pros would shood around there. And we were so sure that the course is that difficult that a -5 or -6 would win the thing. Winning score was -23 at the end. That was rediculess and shows that they actually play a different game than us humans!
Regarding the fitting, I had such a fitting where I was going to be fitted for irons and the fitter send me away with the words, new irons would not benefitt you at all, same with the driver, I bought 4 Wokeys but that's another story ;-)
Almost done as many episodes as you have thousands of subscribers 🤙
Shot my first 64 yesterday
Unfortunately the course is a par 61
Lol😂
They added some arccos data to travelers here and there but took it from forwards tees
Not sure why this podcast is out after the qualifier we already know the results
Go get em Rick!!!
Young may have hit 59 with preferred lies, but that was the same for the entire field that day and it helped him get into the top 10 for the tournament and bank over $500K. So it counts for a lot for him.
I asked ChatGPT: what would an average 18 handicap golfer shoot around a golf course in tour conditions?
An 18 handicap golfer is generally expected to shoot around 18 strokes over the course rating under normal conditions. However, golf courses set up for professional tournaments, commonly referred to as "tour conditions," present significantly more challenging circumstances than typical courses. These conditions include:
1. **Longer Course Length**: Professional courses are often longer, with more demanding tee placements.
2. **Faster Greens**: Greens are maintained at a higher speed, requiring more skill to navigate.
3. **Thicker Rough**: The rough is usually thicker and more penal, making it harder to recover from off-line shots.
4. **Pin Positions**: Pin positions are often set in more challenging locations.
5. **Increased Pressure**: The overall atmosphere can add psychological pressure, although this might not directly apply to a casual player.
Given these factors, an 18 handicap golfer would typically score higher than usual. Here’s a breakdown of the expected scoring:
Estimating the Score in Tour Conditions
1. **Baseline Handicap Scoring**:
- An 18 handicap golfer is expected to shoot about 90 on a par-72 course under normal conditions.
2. **Adjustments for Tour Conditions**:
- **Longer Course**: Adds 2-4 strokes due to longer holes and potentially higher difficulty in reaching greens in regulation.
- **Faster Greens**: Adds 2-3 strokes because of increased three-putts and difficulty in approach shots.
- **Thicker Rough**: Adds 2-3 strokes due to more difficult recovery shots and increased likelihood of bogeys or worse.
- **Challenging Pin Positions**: Adds 1-2 strokes due to more difficult putts and increased chances of missing greens.
- **Psychological Pressure**: Adds 1-2 strokes for the challenge of facing a more demanding course setup.
Expected Score Range
By adding these adjustments, we can estimate:
- **Normal Condition Score**: 90 (18 over par on a par-72 course)
- **Tour Condition Adjustments**: 8 to 14 additional strokes (combined impact of various factors)
Therefore, the expected score for an 18 handicap golfer under tour conditions would be in the range of **98 to 104**.
Considerations
- **Skill Level Variations**: Individual golfers' ability to adapt to difficult conditions can vary, so some might perform slightly better or worse.
- **Course Specifics**: Different courses might have specific features that could further impact scoring. For instance, courses with significant water hazards might add even more strokes.
Summary
An 18 handicap golfer can expect to shoot between **98 and 104** on a golf course set up for a professional tournament, assuming the course is a standard par-72 layout. This estimate accounts for the increased difficulty posed by tour conditions and the golfer’s typical performance under normal circumstances.
This perfect example of why Chat GPT and all other LLM are not AI but just mashing up stuff they were fed without any real understanding. 18 hendicap amateur golfer would shoot atleast double of what he shoots on an actual professional tournament course.
All the best players left so no competition left
tough run at the qualifier. People don't really realize just how much different tournament play is. Besides the courses being harder or whatever. Just the mentality of it is so tough without a bunch of recent tournament golf under your belt.
Bryson shot a 58 on a par 70 also. Most 59’s are on par 70
Let’s go Uncle Rick!
Best of luck 🙏🙏💪
I'm having absolutely none of that waffle about Cam Youngs 59 "not counting".. he made that under tour conditions in a big tournament. He didn't do himself any favours either leaving it in the rough on 2/3rds of the shots...
Agree, Tom Kim is breath of fresh air........
I just learned who won LIV Nashville just now. Because I didn’t seek it out. Saying it didn’t feel like there was a PGA. tournament makes sense because you didn’t seek it out.
The nose whistle returns 😂
Went well didn’t it Ricky boy 😂😂
Spoiler!
Rick shot (+9) 81.
We still love you Big Dog
Great video boys, as usual.
Do you think the shorts can be a tad bit shorter next week? I can almost see y'alls bollocks hanging out.
Thanks a bunch
😂 just posted a similar comment
I will die on the hill that a 59 on a par 70 doesn’t “count”. I’ve always argued Bryson bangs on about his 58 way too much considering that was a 70 also. Obviously impressive, but not the same
Bad take. Par 70s have less scoring opportunities. Yes it’s less under par than shooting a 59 on a par 72 but it’s harder to score with less par 5’s.
Have to check the length of the course. Could have been some very long par 4’s
Rose bascially shot his handicap +7...and didnt play all that great off the tee...amazing...
Love the pod guys but Ricks nose whistling whilst Guy talks is most eps now and although it’s not that obvious, if your listening in headphones or when driving with windows down etc it becomes so loud and distracting 😂 can Rick lower the mic whilst guys talking 🎤
An Example is 7:20-8:00
Otherwise love the pod
Open qualifying? 😂😂 his game is woeful at best! I’m looking forward to seeing this video 😂😂😂
Grow up
I dont like the Rick's AI idea, the pressure is part of it. Lets see Grant Horvat play in actual pro tournament, lets see some 10 handicap play. I am sure they would settle the nerves in after 5 holes.
Unlucky with the qualifying rick, great podcast as per.
Keep smiling rick👍
What did he score?
@emcee6915 he finished +9 T100
Spoiler alert.........
Rick shot +9 and did not make the cut
Isn't first round of qualifying finished?
@@S7Vmv Thanks for answering my inquiry in the least sarcastic way possible... Cheers, Dick!
Just keep grovelling Guy
rick shot an 81 there’s your podcast
I think if Guy is going to say that about Sandy he has to say it about Tiger as well or he’s just talking out his pipe hole.
Do you have a caddy?
That nose whistle Rick has is so offputting 🤣 Once you hear it you can't stop hearing it...
Nooooo
How come Rick Shiels has so many 45 year old male Taylor Swift type fan boys? C'mon lads he provides decent youtube content but lets keep calm, he's a a solid 8 handicapper at best
Bit of a shocker at Open Qualifying lol 👍
Your guys takes on the PGA event were horrendous, acting like shooting a 59 was bullshit. Did anyone else shoot a 59 that day? Horrible episode
That Sandy Lyle monologue by Guy was all time 😂
Was rooting for you Rick. Keep up the hard work.
PGA players: "How would you beat him?"
Everyone:"With a stick, while he slept. But on a course, with a club? That man is unbeatable." 😂
Rick is finally getting around to figuring out that the key to better golf for him now lies between his ears :) AND... yes, let's get a group of scratch golfers, 9 and 18 handicappers to play. The "person" playing would show EXACTLY how a real person would do with the crowd and pressure and course conditions, etc. That's what we want.
Guy was on form today. Tour players should have handicaps. Then the majors could become stableford events where you add strokes to the players according to their handicaps. Play badly until the majors and then cash in. 😅😅😅
Can you imagine what it would be like if one of your best friends from college did an hour-long podcast about how you having no chance to make the Open? I wonder how that would make you feel...
Luckily your friends from college have more class than you and that little Guy on your podcast. Hollywood shiels
Open qualifying again? lol. Good luck with that Rick. I will give you one billion euros if you do. I donìt think I have anything to worry about. And whats with those huge microphones you and Guy are using? Can't you just get some good ones that clip on your shirts?
Al Geiberger was the first to shoot 59 and preferred lies was in effect. No one thinks that should have an asterisk so why should Cam’s? It’s a hell of a round no matter what.
Better behind a desk lads. Thought little Ricky and Guy’s guy were going to make an appearance from those short 😂
Was it mid to low 80 s that you shot Rick ?
Haha no. Rick was only a couple over
@@Simeon-the-Magnificent +9 (81)
@@Simeon-the-Magnificenthe shot an 81. 9 over par.
Rick was 9 over. Peter Finch 12 over par.
@@Simeon-the-Magnificent 81 is never only a couple over 😂
You should really get Charley Hull on the podcast, and challange her on the course
Way to fire up that 81!!! Just quit trying.
predictions? 80?
Sorry Mr Lyle 😂😂😂
Guy VS Sandy Lyle 10 shot challenge grudge match? 😂😂😂
No chance
Rick 81 ,Peter Finch 83 😊.wel done Rick 😅
Well done😊
Really? Fair play to both though. At least they didn't bottle it like bullard
Most par 70s have 2 long par 4s in place of 2 easy par 5s. I think 59 is legit on a tournament level course. Justin Rose was my favourite break 75. Well played Rick
I think we have to look at what Scottie is doing, all be it good in its own right, doesn't compare to past , or Tiger. The fields are not the same, with the split of leagues and DP World Tour, you can not say he's going up against the best fields and players at top of game every week, like we saw a decade ago.
Rick, I truly appreciate your honestly and insights into your game. I do wish that you would work on your golf more so you would play more consistently -- us long time fans really can feel your frustration. Best wishes for your round today.
All the best Rick in open qualifying. I have to qualify for Australian open several tome with no success but I would never miss the experience.
Liv Nashville was awesome! Can’t wait for them to come back! Good luck RICK!!!
lack of playing time etc and tough conditions all contribute but i really think a full bag fitting with Mr. Fraser in Toronto would a thousand percent help improve his scores
25:38 spectators would be in danger too. Also, the PGA Tour has been doing landing zones and hypothetical tracers for high handicappers but it basically only represents distance on a good shot, not duffs or tops or slices etc.
I had a fitting a few years ago. Bought irons and wedges. When it came to driver the fitter told me to save my money and get some lessons instead. Loved the honesty! My game has improved.
Proud of you Rick. Can’t wait to watch the video and hope you continue to challenge yourself!
If I was counting haha sounds like my mate Barry who always shoots level par when I’m at work
That nose squeak is awful haha
Jeez 16 seconds ago 🤣🤣
Hmm no chance 🤣
I love Tyrrell, he’s a breath of fresh air & wears his heart on his sleeve.
Kids swearing sorta went out the window back in the early 2000’s with ‘The Ozbournes’ haha!
I am a simple man. I see a new Rick Shiels golf show podcast episode, I click.