SO much misinformation here. The car is NOT an RS. He lists it as such. It is not. It is a full-bumper car with the bumperettes installed. ANY Camaro 70-73 could be had with the RS package. Convenient the block was decked and the #'s gone. There is so much wrong here. The unique fan shroud is wrong. Car has a 350 shroud. ALL the under-hood factory 396 parts are missing including the rare air filter case. Car should have a 5500 Tach. Has Z/28 wheels, should be 14" 6-hole Rallye II's. Rear end ratio is wrong. ALL 396's had 3:42 only. No stripes allowed on 396 cars. Wrong hood, Missing the expensive rocker panels. Pretty car...for 18K or so in the current market.
Good catch/call. Easy, quick way to tell. Nice car, notice he never mentions WHICH 402? Only L78 was 4bolt main. Nice car, should be sold as the 'tribute' it is.
The RS "split bumper" option was available from '70 to '73. All '70 to '73 RS Camaros had split bumpers with a urethane nose that contained a different grill than standard Camaros had. The parking lights for '70 to '73 RS's were mounted above the split bumper and are round. The standard front end parking lights are below the bumper and are rectangle. No true RS ever had the parking lights below the bumper like most fakes are done. That is the cheap way and is completely wrong in every way.
This is what is known as a split bumper. It's NOT an SS/RS. If this were an SS/RS, it would have the parking lights next to the headlights and not below the bumper. Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice car but it's not an RS. A lot of people like the look of the open grill that the RS has with the split bumper and do this modification. He's not presenting it as an RS and that's good. But, he says it's not a clone.... and that's bad because it IS (to a certain extent) a clone. Still a nice car.
dudes,in buying a car you exclude options,it person below me...its not a RS camaro,its either a camaro,,,ss or z28...with RS (z22) option or in 73 with LT code,only 70-71 camaros had hidden wipers
this is my understanding of "2 nd gen" Camaros... the RS option was available with the Z/28 option, not available with the SS option. the RS option included among other things the longer front end with relocated turn signals. back in the day people referred to this as a "split bumper front end". the SS option was not available with the Z/28 optioned Camaro, so there are no SS Z/28's or Z/28 SS's. the big block 396 was i think actually a 402 CI motor. and was available with the SS optioned Camaro thru 1973 with a 4 speed manual transmission, and i think GM made about 500 or 600 (total), of these SS's in '73, so they're uncommon. the lower LS motor code #(3), indicates that it's a hydraulic lifter motor, as opposed to mechanical lifters, not sure if there was a mechanical lifter version of the 396 available in '71...maybe. sometime in the late 1980's these "Camaro's" started showing up with the standard(non RS) front end with the full length bumper removed and the shorter RS option bumpers installed, the tip-off is the turn signals mounted in the lower valance panel. i think there's a shot in the video that shows the "notched" grille where the original bumper ran thru it. another good indication of a RS optioned Camaro is the "RS" call-out on the steering wheel center, even Z/28's had this when ordered with the RS option, at least the 1970(late), ones did, so i'm guessing the 71's did as well. so i'm thinking this is a correct 1971 SS 396 Camaro, with some later installed not so correct parts, not a big deal, pretty simple to swap back on the correct bumper. cool car, nice vid.
Shouldn't there be an expiration date when it comes to sales advertising, shit man, this vid is 4yrs old! car is probably sold by now, at least have some updating standards
Why does it have a 10 bolt rear diff? SS should have a 8.875" 12 bolt especially with the 396. If it truly has a 3.55 rear gear than it must be the 8.2" since the video clearly shows a 10 bolt rear and as far as I know no one makes a 3.55 rear gear for the 8.5"(3.73&3.42) rear diff, only the 8.2" 10 bolt and 8.875" 12 bolt rear have 3.55. Either the rear end(and other noticeable things) had been swapped or the ID tag had been swapped. Very suspicious.
Yep ten bolt ad well as all the obvious stuff thats wrong like the split bumper and should have ralleys. I think alot if this gugs stuff are clones or wanna bees. Whivh is fine as long as u admit it. But ge dont. Look at mosy if his chevelles. 7 outta ten i bet are altered or fakes when he says they aint. I see way too many thungs that dont add up
1970 was the only 2nd gen a 12 bolt could have been under factory and it was is rare to find one. Only 500 came with a 12 bolt in 1970. It was not an option in 1971.
@@huntermaxey The 12 bolt rear end wasn't an option alone per se, but was standard equipment when ordering high performance Camaros such as the SS & Z-28 up to the 1972 model year.
trekbsg not trying to argue with you but we have 3 RS/SS’s and all are Factory 10 bolts but I do know where 2 factory 12 bolts stamped with the 1970 date code and 70 was the last year it was offered in the Camaro. They used 10 bolts 71 and up. I will send you a link to the article out of the book when I get a chance this evening.
@@huntermaxey Not trying to argue with you too, just trying to let everyone know what was offered from the factory. If you have real 70-72 SS models that have 10 bolts, then either they have been swapped out with 10 bolts(which is common since 12 bolts were in high demand by hot rodders) or they aren't real SS's, 10 bolts were standard on all low performance Camaros. Just as TH350 transmissions were standard on low performance models & the TH400 was standard on high performance models. Trust me on this, these are documented facts.
Wrong front bumper, wrong hood, Z-28 stripes on a SS. Tail panel on SS 396 cars were flat black. M22 was not available behind the LS3 396 ( 402 ). The list of wrongs seems pretty long.
what you're talking about is the REAL RS front end, this is NOT... someone put the RS bumperette pieces on the REAL RS 2" urathane nose was the rest of the bumper. This car is NOT protected in an accident. a hit to the center can put the engine into the passenger compartment. it's stupid to do this to a car. cost about $800 to buy an RS conversion kit if you really want that look. and yes 74 thru 81 kept turn signals up by the headlights just like the 70 to 73 RS.
Not an original split bumper. ALL original split bumpers had the small round turn signal lights right next to the headlight. NOT the slit lights below the bumper piece. Still a nice car but it's not totally original
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OK estebanjr11....... I did your homework for you. Maybe this will help you to understand the difference between a standard model and the RS so you can be correctly informed about these cars. Open up Google and type in "What makes an RS Camaro". Click on the link that says "Chevy Camaro FAQ RS Identification". This should help you clear up your confusion.
Roger you know nothing there is no such thing as a split bumper for a car to have two bumpers and not the regular one bumper it must have come with the rs package the rs package could have come with the 6 cylinder model base model ss and z28 the rs came with a nose piece called an endura nose and blinkers next to the headlights this One is a FACTORY full bumper someone just slapped some rs bumpers on it do your hw on these cars hate it when people call these cars split bumpers
don't buy a car based on pictures or video, over the internet. and don't buy a car based on what the seller tells you, including this Flemings guy! Go and see the car in person and inspect it yourself! If you don't know the car model specifically, get some help inspecting the car. Too much money to piss away on a butchered car like in the video!
whats with all the "wrong this wrong that" stuff? Wrong for who you purists? Whens the last time you saw 14" wheels and tires for sale? haha . Could be an ss but overall a nice looking hot rod camaro. Not every car has to be stock, starting to sound like the vette people.
My 350 camaro has 50 more horse than that lol bb are only good for show and put a full bumper on that looks very cheap on your part tony to sell a chopped car
I had a 70 Camaro. It was my favorite for many years
73 grill, wrong hood, rs bumpers on a straight bumper car. Z28 rims on on a SS car should have 14 inch rally's .
Z28 stripes not on an SS 99% of these people always put the Z28 stripes on. LOL
It's a build, who cares? Every car does not have to be 100% correct you know.
@@thud9797 Correct but old Tony is representing it as a correctly restored 71..
SO much misinformation here. The car is NOT an RS. He lists it as such. It is not. It is a full-bumper car with the bumperettes installed. ANY Camaro 70-73 could be had with the RS package. Convenient the block was decked and the #'s gone. There is so much wrong here. The unique fan shroud is wrong. Car has a 350 shroud. ALL the under-hood factory 396 parts are missing including the rare air filter case. Car should have a 5500 Tach. Has Z/28 wheels, should be 14" 6-hole Rallye II's. Rear end ratio is wrong. ALL 396's had 3:42 only. No stripes allowed on 396 cars. Wrong hood, Missing the expensive rocker panels. Pretty car...for 18K or so in the current market.
who you you are...mr smarty pants
who gives a crap its loud and fast
refill1961 even the camaros with 6 cylrder can get the RS package,rs package is just styling option
+bikefixr you think your mr smarty pants or something?where did you get this information...post your facts from webpage
I kmow the hood ,bumpers and wheels are wrong for sure. Should be full bumper. And rally wheels. Flat hood.too
All big block cars also had black taillight panel.
Good catch/call. Easy, quick way to tell. Nice car, notice he never mentions WHICH 402? Only L78 was 4bolt main. Nice car, should be sold as the 'tribute' it is.
The RS "split bumper" option was available from '70 to '73. All '70 to '73 RS Camaros had split bumpers with a urethane nose that contained a different grill than standard Camaros had. The parking lights for '70 to '73 RS's were mounted above the split bumper and are round. The standard front end parking lights are below the bumper and are rectangle. No true RS ever had the parking lights below the bumper like most fakes are done. That is the cheap way and is completely wrong in every way.
Amazing car. You guys did a very amazing job. Keep up the good work.
This is what is known as a split bumper. It's NOT an SS/RS. If this were an SS/RS, it would have the parking lights next to the headlights and not below the bumper. Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice car but it's not an RS. A lot of people like the look of the open grill that the RS has with the split bumper and do this modification. He's not presenting it as an RS and that's good. But, he says it's not a clone.... and that's bad because it IS (to a certain extent) a clone. Still a nice car.
where are the plates to cover the sun light?
it doesnt have a "door ajar buzzer"? or cars didnt have that feature yet?
do you have a cosworth vega in your collection?
dudes,in buying a car you exclude options,it person below me...its not a RS camaro,its either a camaro,,,ss or z28...with RS (z22) option or in 73 with LT code,only 70-71 camaros had hidden wipers
The RS camaros came with split bumpers as a stock feature....even though this is a SS its still a common thing that people did to their camaros
In 1970, 1971, And 1972 Wasn't The 396 Engine Really A 402??
+Richard Kaltenbach in chevy 4x4`s called 402s i think
Yes it was but they called it a 396
Yes they were but Chevy decal was a 396
Nice car.
this is my understanding of "2 nd gen" Camaros... the RS option was available with the Z/28 option, not available with the SS option. the RS option included among other things the longer front end with relocated turn signals. back in the day people referred to this as a "split bumper front end". the SS option was not available with the Z/28 optioned Camaro, so there are no SS Z/28's or Z/28 SS's. the big block 396 was i think actually a 402 CI motor. and was available with the SS optioned Camaro thru 1973 with a 4 speed manual transmission, and i think GM made about 500 or 600 (total), of these SS's in '73, so they're uncommon. the lower LS motor code #(3), indicates that it's a hydraulic lifter motor, as opposed to mechanical lifters, not sure if there was a mechanical lifter version of the 396 available in '71...maybe. sometime in the late 1980's these "Camaro's" started showing up with the standard(non RS) front end with the full length bumper removed and the shorter RS option bumpers installed, the tip-off is the turn signals mounted in the lower valance panel. i think there's a shot in the video that shows the "notched" grille where the original bumper ran thru it. another good indication of a RS optioned Camaro is the "RS" call-out on the steering wheel center, even Z/28's had this when ordered with the RS option, at least the 1970(late), ones did, so i'm guessing the 71's did as well. so i'm thinking this is a correct 1971 SS 396 Camaro, with some later installed not so correct parts, not a big deal, pretty simple to swap back on the correct bumper. cool car, nice vid.
So...where's the test drive?
1 question. Will a 1970 frontbumper fit on my 1978 z28?
what kind of question is that
No
You gtts swap the whole front end doofus. Maybe u should js sell it to a real car guy if u yhink that bumper will blot up to ur car straight up
Shouldn't there be an expiration date when it comes to sales advertising, shit man, this vid is 4yrs old! car is probably sold by now, at least have some updating standards
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Why does it have a 10 bolt rear diff? SS should have a 8.875" 12 bolt especially with the 396. If it truly has a 3.55 rear gear than it must be the 8.2" since the video clearly shows a 10 bolt rear and as far as I know no one makes a 3.55 rear gear for the 8.5"(3.73&3.42) rear diff, only the 8.2" 10 bolt and 8.875" 12 bolt rear have 3.55. Either the rear end(and other noticeable things) had been swapped or the ID tag had been swapped. Very suspicious.
Yep ten bolt ad well as all the obvious stuff thats wrong like the split bumper and should have ralleys. I think alot if this gugs stuff are clones or wanna bees. Whivh is fine as long as u admit it. But ge dont. Look at mosy if his chevelles. 7 outta ten i bet are altered or fakes when he says they aint. I see way too many thungs that dont add up
1970 was the only 2nd gen a 12 bolt could have been under factory and it was is rare to find one. Only 500 came with a 12 bolt in 1970. It was not an option in 1971.
@@huntermaxey The 12 bolt rear end wasn't an option alone per se, but was standard equipment when ordering high performance Camaros such as the SS & Z-28 up to the 1972 model year.
trekbsg not trying to argue with you but we have 3 RS/SS’s and all are Factory 10 bolts but I do know where 2 factory 12 bolts stamped with the 1970 date code and 70 was the last year it was offered in the Camaro. They used 10 bolts 71 and up. I will send you a link to the article out of the book when I get a chance this evening.
@@huntermaxey Not trying to argue with you too, just trying to let everyone know what was offered from the factory. If you have real 70-72 SS models that have 10 bolts, then either they have been swapped out with 10 bolts(which is common since 12 bolts were in high demand by hot rodders) or they aren't real SS's, 10 bolts were standard on all low performance Camaros. Just as TH350 transmissions were standard on low performance models & the TH400 was standard on high performance models. Trust me on this, these are documented facts.
Wrong front bumper, wrong hood, Z-28 stripes on a SS. Tail panel on SS 396 cars were flat black. M22 was not available behind the LS3 396 ( 402 ). The list of wrongs seems pretty long.
Then go find a stock car John, this is a hotrod Camaro.
@@thud9797 The purist wanna be expert posts are super annoying lol
my first car was a 71 ss 4speed. bought it in 1989 for $2000. it was cherry. now you can't find one of these rotting in a field for that $
this car cost 20 000 euro? or more?
what you're talking about is the REAL RS front end, this is NOT... someone put the RS bumperette pieces on the REAL RS 2" urathane nose was the rest of the bumper. This car is NOT protected in an accident. a hit to the center can put the engine into the passenger compartment. it's stupid to do this to a car. cost about $800 to buy an RS conversion kit if you really want that look. and yes 74 thru 81 kept turn signals up by the headlights just like the 70 to 73 RS.
WOW i love that car but i live in Greece :) ahhhhhhhh
Not an original split bumper. ALL original split bumpers had the small round turn signal lights right next to the headlight. NOT the slit lights below the bumper piece. Still a nice car but it's not totally original
Bro u got real duck feet.
Nice
Do your homework: This company is NOT accredited by the Better Business Bureau. Would you buy a car from this man? NOPE.
Cool restomod. Not a restoration.
wrong nose and no tach...still sweet
you have to go look the car 🚗 over judge for yourself I know Good work and shifty work it has to be California standards or it can't make California standards California is the best to get your muscle 💪 🚗 restored
I did auto body for 15 year s
Steel cowl hood...GOODMARK INDUSTRIES ...FIRST part they produced. Really hate badly done "RS" Camaros. Lights are so obvious. Gorgeous car.
OK estebanjr11....... I did your homework for you. Maybe this will help you to understand the difference between a standard model and the RS so you can be correctly informed about these cars.
Open up Google and type in "What makes an RS Camaro".
Click on the link that says "Chevy Camaro FAQ RS Identification".
This should help you clear up your confusion.
the 71 396 got bored out to 402, sort of making it a sleeper.
john thill you really know your cars man, duuuuuurrrrr
Lol, like those 3 cubes will make a difference.
Looks like a blind person put the SS call outs on the fenders......
Roger you know nothing there is no such thing as a split bumper for a car to have two bumpers and not the regular one bumper it must have come with the rs package the rs package could have come with the 6 cylinder model base model ss and z28 the rs came with a nose piece called an endura nose and blinkers next to the headlights this One is a FACTORY full bumper someone just slapped some rs bumpers on it do your hw on these cars hate it when people call these cars split bumpers
It's got a friggin 10 bolt. Nope.
don't buy a car based on pictures or video, over the internet. and don't buy a car based on what the seller tells you, including this Flemings guy! Go and see the car in person and inspect it yourself! If you don't know the car model specifically, get some help inspecting the car. Too much money to piss away on a butchered car like in the video!
whats with all the "wrong this wrong that" stuff? Wrong for who you purists?
Whens the last time you saw 14" wheels and tires for sale? haha .
Could be an ss but overall a nice looking hot rod camaro.
Not every car has to be stock, starting to sound like the vette people.
My 350 camaro has 50 more horse than that lol bb are only good for show and put a full bumper on that looks very cheap on your part tony to sell a chopped car
Fake not a Rally Sport.