@@thomaspinder1596 neither are available for Linux 😞 Was giving DarkTable a go yesterday, seems like that might be the best option at the moment for Linux.
To repeat my comments (and I probably will again) on other videos, I like the chat about interacting with clients. Virtually no other TH-camrs discuss it. Keep them coming.
As a long time Photoshop user (25+ years) I think it's still the yardstick against which others are judged. Plug-in support is excellent too. I don't use Lightroom though, even if it's tools are slightly better presented than in Camera Raw, I just don't like the whole library/catalogue side of it and find Bridge a much better fit for that purpose. All this is somewhat subjective of course, it's about finding what works best for you and helps you get the results you want from your images.
45:27 - Avoid moving to New York just for the sake of it thinking you'll get a bunch of work. I know many talented photographers who relocated there and now struggle to get by. I live in a much, much smaller market, commute as needed, and have built a successful career as an editorial and commercial photographer for the past 15 years. If you are ever up for a chat hit a brother up! Cheers mate 👍
Photoshop user here since before layers were introduced. Spent a couple of years as a high end retoucher. I still learn something new almost every time I work on a new project. Meaning working on a project that takes a little time, not just brushing up a few quick bits. If you can start to formulate a mental game plan before you begin the actual task, things get easier. And oh yes, becoming proficient at the Pen Tool is mandatory. I would never hire a retoucher without that skill.
Re coffees with other creatives - I see them as an opportunity for a connection/networking/potential for a future job/help. Personally I've had a few of these come as a result of coffees
Hey guys! Nice to listen to you. As you said - speaking after shooting about some physical changes, its crazily bad and I will add, not just in photography. Recently I was shooting a small 2000€ youtube ad for a company. They approved the script, the message, all wording, technology etc, we desided with them ideal shooting day, I hired a small team (imagine for such money) and we shot it, everyone's happy. After the raw edit, 2 little changed to the edit. Than approved unless, the big boss of the company did not like it because - ans thats hilarious - he expected a completely different outcome which could be partly solved on set still (as what he wanted would cost 10x more), but not after all was shot. That company wanted a reshoot then but no budget adition etc... I am flad that after all they agreed to even pay for it. So for all of you - go with the client every step by step, in email, approved every piece of work. And dont do jobs for silly money, unless you rly need to. Clients dont understand the value for work and connected productions.
Whats wrong with teathering stright to lightroom? Woks great, after recent updates works perfectly with Nikon Z8. You have all the presets already there, plus can add overlays as well and even have live view feed.
I used to feel the same about the difference between C1 and LR. Tethering I'm sure is still better in C1, but colors and “better sliders,“ not any longer. I think that it's easier to get a pleasing look quickly in C1, but unless they have made some changes since I've stopped using it, it's not inherently better than LR. When you are used to C1, as I very much was, LR seems horrible at first. But if you learn how the sliders and things work in LR, you'll just realize that they are different, not worse. In fact, C1 does a much worse job of adjusting shadows and highlights in that it causes halos much more so than LR. If C1 could handle a large catalog I might still use it, but it chokes at a certain point. LR plus Photoshop are a much better value.
I wouldn't mind betting that any of the people that say C1 has better colours, haven't used Lightroom since about version 3 and they're just stuck in that way of thinking. The file management features of LR are so much more superior than C1, and the integrated workflow with Photoshop is so good, that the only real argument for C1 now is tethering. Other than that, it's just personal preference really.
I’ve been working in photoshop for around a decade and working seriously in the program for about 5 years. I’m by no means an expert but I’ve gotten to the point where i intrinsically know how to do things and I know how to transfer skills from one edit to another edit. My free time isn’t spent on Netflix, I’m always binging photoshop tutorials on TH-cam and honing my skills. I find it meditative.
The question about working in smaller cities was for Rob, as I know he does more work outside of London. Thank you both so much for answering our questions! Super useful advice. Would you say other large cities outside of NYC like LA, Chicago, or Houston are still not big enough to accommodate a commercial photography career? Or is it more about the infrastructure and specific networks that cities like NYC and London have? Merry Christmas to you both, thank you for creating this great resource.
Chicago used to have a huge product presence, with several large studios to cover Sears, and others. I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Most of the agencies there are branches of agencies HQ'd in NYC. There's a lot of work, but the big national work is still elsewhere, I think. That's my $.02 anyway.
@@liamstrain Liam, thank you for the reply! That is super helpful information, are you in the industry? I look at Chicago specifically because I am from the midwest and have family in northern Indiana. I can't afford NYC and don't want to move a million miles away from family :)
It would be good to listen to this podcasts on something like Spotify. May I suggest that you look into this, if you haven’t done so already. I do a lot of driving and while driving I like to listen to audiobooks and podcasts, and it would be great to listen to your podcasts while on the road.
Are there any other photo database options besides Lightroom? I'm desperate to move to Capture one, but ai have a massive archive in Lightroom... and not able to find any obvious choices. Any thoughts?
I use Photo Mechanic for organising/arranging my photos as its much faster than lightroom with large picture libraries. You can make a photo catalog with it. I did buy it when it was a lot cheaper as the perpetual license is more expensive now.
@@TractorBeam I use the plus version as that's the one with catalogs, you can get it monthly/yearly subs too with a 30 day free trial. The metadata will be intact (IPTC) but I haven't imported a catalog from LR. I use both LR and PM+ together. As PM+ doesn't display large photoshop (PSB) or gif files. I use PM for ingesting, tagging, labelling, sorting especially for editorial.
It depends what terrain, I moved from road to mtb and chill trails in the peak district are indeed safer than road riding in the city, but barely any safer than comparable road riding on remote country roads
10000 hours is well over 8 years if you do 20 days a month, 5 hours a day, which would be a typical workday of photoshop, the rest would be communicating with clients / coworkers, office stuff etc. 10000 hours is not professional level, it’s senior professional level, or ”mastery”, for those more inclined to pomp. An adequate professional level will take a year, two at most.
As a creative working in professional environments for decades, I can assure you that Adobe products are industry standards used by professionals. Yes, there are a few niche products also used by professionals, but Adobe’s media software is still the most widely used by pros. That’s not to say that I think they’re the best. Photoshop is probably the widest used software by digital artists, but its brush engine stinks compared to Procreate or ClipStudio. And I curse Adobe for starting this whole subscription trend, where we can no longer simply purchase software. But they’re the industry standard, so most of us are stuck with it.
@@TinHouseStudioUK Not so. Their Creative Suite is extensive, and Illustrator is certainly the go-to vector program for anyone dealing in vector, and In-Design has replaced Quark long ago as the industry standard for print layout. I think perhaps where film editing and special effects are concerned there are certainly better things used by those industries, but most other visual media is still dominated by Adobe.
I’d say all of them. Typical quantity over quality when you need to post regularly and even though a video could be 1 sentence it needs to be 20 min for TH-cam.
Adobe have increased there prices .tho subs can only find out by Email adobe have sent out ...lolol Strangely numerous togs on YT haven't said a word but thry love pushing Adobe LR / PS ...
this auto multi lingual dubbing feature on your videos is quite annoying. This should come as an option, not as a default mode. I am not sure this really helps reaching to more people. It's a bit like if you had to switch off full auto mode everytime you grabed on your camera.
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Software alternative discussion starts around 38:55.
I'm more curious what are the best Linux alternatives to Lightroom? As Lightroom meets 95% of my photo needs for post production.
thx for letting us know these. 2 dudes look like santa!
@@SoundSpeeding look into photo mechanic or capture one, they might do the trick
@@thomaspinder1596 neither are available for Linux 😞 Was giving DarkTable a go yesterday, seems like that might be the best option at the moment for Linux.
Thank you. I so nearly just slit my wrists and moved on, hope the self indulgent crap lessens off at that point...... diving in......
To repeat my comments (and I probably will again) on other videos, I like the chat about interacting with clients. Virtually no other TH-camrs discuss it. Keep them coming.
can you add sections in your video? I would like to be able to hover over the video buffer bar and see what topic is where?
Sorry we usually do but didn’t have time on this one
As a long time Photoshop user (25+ years) I think it's still the yardstick against which others are judged. Plug-in support is excellent too. I don't use Lightroom though, even if it's tools are slightly better presented than in Camera Raw, I just don't like the whole library/catalogue side of it and find Bridge a much better fit for that purpose. All this is somewhat subjective of course, it's about finding what works best for you and helps you get the results you want from your images.
45:27 - Avoid moving to New York just for the sake of it thinking you'll get a bunch of work.
I know many talented photographers who relocated there and now struggle to get by. I live in a much, much smaller market, commute as needed, and have built a successful career as an editorial and commercial photographer for the past 15 years. If you are ever up for a chat hit a brother up!
Cheers mate 👍
Hello Matt 👋. I definitely would like to have a talk with you about the subject.
Photoshop user here since before layers were introduced. Spent a couple of years as a high end retoucher. I still learn something new almost every time I work on a new project. Meaning working on a project that takes a little time, not just brushing up a few quick bits. If you can start to formulate a mental game plan before you begin the actual task, things get easier. And oh yes, becoming proficient at the Pen Tool is mandatory. I would never hire a retoucher without that skill.
Rob in top form!!! Give him a bottle before every session!!!
Thank you gentlemen. Have a wonderful Christmas and new year. I have thoroughly enjoyed this format.
Same to you!
Sound, practical, commercial advice once again! Best wishes to you both, and your families, for Christmas and the New Year.
Re coffees with other creatives - I see them as an opportunity for a connection/networking/potential for a future job/help. Personally I've had a few of these come as a result of coffees
I’m going to need a proper explanation of this hair brush because that has been the bane of my existence these past 6 months
Hey guys! Nice to listen to you. As you said - speaking after shooting about some physical changes, its crazily bad and I will add, not just in photography. Recently I was shooting a small 2000€ youtube ad for a company. They approved the script, the message, all wording, technology etc, we desided with them ideal shooting day, I hired a small team (imagine for such money) and we shot it, everyone's happy. After the raw edit, 2 little changed to the edit. Than approved unless, the big boss of the company did not like it because - ans thats hilarious - he expected a completely different outcome which could be partly solved on set still (as what he wanted would cost 10x more), but not after all was shot. That company wanted a reshoot then but no budget adition etc... I am flad that after all they agreed to even pay for it. So for all of you - go with the client every step by step, in email, approved every piece of work. And dont do jobs for silly money, unless you rly need to. Clients dont understand the value for work and connected productions.
Great advice all around again. Happy holidays!
Whats wrong with teathering stright to lightroom? Woks great, after recent updates works perfectly with Nikon Z8. You have all the presets already there, plus can add overlays as well and even have live view feed.
They prefer the colour output of Capture One.
This was a great Q&A. Loved the information you shared. Looking forward to the new stuff in 2025 from both of you.
I used to feel the same about the difference between C1 and LR. Tethering I'm sure is still better in C1, but colors and “better sliders,“ not any longer. I think that it's easier to get a pleasing look quickly in C1, but unless they have made some changes since I've stopped using it, it's not inherently better than LR. When you are used to C1, as I very much was, LR seems horrible at first. But if you learn how the sliders and things work in LR, you'll just realize that they are different, not worse. In fact, C1 does a much worse job of adjusting shadows and highlights in that it causes halos much more so than LR. If C1 could handle a large catalog I might still use it, but it chokes at a certain point. LR plus Photoshop are a much better value.
I wouldn't mind betting that any of the people that say C1 has better colours, haven't used Lightroom since about version 3 and they're just stuck in that way of thinking. The file management features of LR are so much more superior than C1, and the integrated workflow with Photoshop is so good, that the only real argument for C1 now is tethering. Other than that, it's just personal preference really.
@@mdhazeldine C1 still has better support for Fujifilm X-Trans files. (Of course for full-frame and Hasselblad and GFX shooters that doesn’t matter.)
As a Belgian, seeing someone drink a Leffe from a bottle is so wrong. With the right glass, it is so much better 😉.
Another great podcast guys. Makes me hope that my girlfriend will get me a Studio access pass as an Xmas pressie. Happy Holidays 🙂
I’ve been working in photoshop for around a decade and working seriously in the program for about 5 years. I’m by no means an expert but I’ve gotten to the point where i intrinsically know how to do things and I know how to transfer skills from one edit to another edit. My free time isn’t spent on Netflix, I’m always binging photoshop tutorials on TH-cam and honing my skills. I find it meditative.
Have you considered adding chapter marks in he video?
He usually does, but this is a Q&A vid with no predefined topics.
Aces. Merry. Christmas!! Thanks for all the podcasts in 2024!!
Is there any reason to overlook Darktable? Developed by photographers for photographers and just as powerful -if not more-than LR
I’ve personally never heard of it. Could simply be down to everyone uses the same thing to make life easier.
What's a function band?
I'm assuming a band that can be hired to perform at social functions? I had never heard that term before either.
what is the soft that pro use???
The question about working in smaller cities was for Rob, as I know he does more work outside of London. Thank you both so much for answering our questions! Super useful advice.
Would you say other large cities outside of NYC like LA, Chicago, or Houston are still not big enough to accommodate a commercial photography career? Or is it more about the infrastructure and specific networks that cities like NYC and London have?
Merry Christmas to you both, thank you for creating this great resource.
Chicago used to have a huge product presence, with several large studios to cover Sears, and others. I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Most of the agencies there are branches of agencies HQ'd in NYC. There's a lot of work, but the big national work is still elsewhere, I think. That's my $.02 anyway.
@@liamstrain Liam, thank you for the reply! That is super helpful information, are you in the industry?
I look at Chicago specifically because I am from the midwest and have family in northern Indiana. I can't afford NYC and don't want to move a million miles away from family :)
The power of the pen tool, amen!
It would be good to listen to this podcasts on something like Spotify. May I suggest that you look into this, if you haven’t done so already. I do a lot of driving and while driving I like to listen to audiobooks and podcasts, and it would be great to listen to your podcasts while on the road.
¿Cuando terminará esta moda de las barbas?😅
I have gone HOURS out of my way to avoid motorcycling in or around cities. Mainly Chicago, which is nearly 1/3 the size of London.
Are there any other photo database options besides Lightroom? I'm desperate to move to Capture one, but ai have a massive archive in Lightroom... and not able to find any obvious choices. Any thoughts?
I use Photo Mechanic for organising/arranging my photos as its much faster than lightroom with large picture libraries. You can make a photo catalog with it. I did buy it when it was a lot cheaper as the perpetual license is more expensive now.
ACDSEE is a brilliant app. I've used it since the 1990s. It's come a long way since then.
@@sisimple7 thank you! are there any other options? Do you by chance know if Photo Mechanic imports larger LR catalogs with ite meta tagging intact?
@@TractorBeam I use the plus version as that's the one with catalogs, you can get it monthly/yearly subs too with a 30 day free trial. The metadata will be intact (IPTC) but I haven't imported a catalog from LR. I use both LR and PM+ together. As PM+ doesn't display large photoshop (PSB) or gif files. I use PM for ingesting, tagging, labelling, sorting especially for editorial.
@@sisimple7 thank you for the insights!! Really appreciate it.
ZZ F Stop. Give me all your learnin' 😊😊😊
First video I've seen on TH-cam where I see the automatic dubbing, it's very strange to hear you in a robotic voice. Great podcast idea!
Leffe make some superb beers .... you should visit the town of Leffe / Dinant ... stunning.
Leffe EXCELLENT choice 😊
Merry Christmas fellas
YES WE DO!
44:10 Printers in London. High. caliber METRO imaging & Artful Dodgers Imaging 100%
That's a very nice Panerai, Rob is wearing.
The man has class
Do mountain biking.. way safer than road riding
Or gravel
Only broken bones I've had were because of mountain biking and I'm a long distance road rider.
1990s style mountain biking was safe but 2020s definitely is not. gravel or fat biking are the way to go
It depends what terrain, I moved from road to mtb and chill trails in the peak district are indeed safer than road riding in the city, but barely any safer than comparable road riding on remote country roads
It’s all safe until you add ice or drivers on phones.
Great hats, Merry Christmas
I love riding my bike in London with all my camera gear.🤣
This podcast has the best lighting I’ve ever seen on a YT video 😁
Kentucky is starting to get films here
10000 hours is well over 8 years if you do 20 days a month, 5 hours a day, which would be a typical workday of photoshop, the rest would be communicating with clients / coworkers, office stuff etc. 10000 hours is not professional level, it’s senior professional level, or ”mastery”, for those more inclined to pomp. An adequate professional level will take a year, two at most.
As a creative working in professional environments for decades, I can assure you that Adobe products are industry standards used by professionals. Yes, there are a few niche products also used by professionals, but Adobe’s media software is still the most widely used by pros. That’s not to say that I think they’re the best. Photoshop is probably the widest used software by digital artists, but its brush engine stinks compared to Procreate or ClipStudio. And I curse Adobe for starting this whole subscription trend, where we can no longer simply purchase software. But they’re the industry standard, so most of us are stuck with it.
I think photoshops there last stand really. From stills and video production I think that’s all we see being used now days.
@@TinHouseStudioUK Not so. Their Creative Suite is extensive, and Illustrator is certainly the go-to vector program for anyone dealing in vector, and In-Design has replaced Quark long ago as the industry standard for print layout. I think perhaps where film editing and special effects are concerned there are certainly better things used by those industries, but most other visual media is still dominated by Adobe.
Nice hats. Merry Christmas from Canada.
Merry Christmas to you to
@@TinHouseStudioUK Thank you. Watching you right now !!!
it looks like there studio is in there garage and they both look like santa except there are not wearing red ha!
🤦♂️
I’m afraid I haven’t got the time to watch 45 minutes so can anyone give me the answers 😁
@@Gidgetandmoondoggy try watching at 2x speed, once you get used to it it’s normal
Oh yes, leffe, the dark brown is the best.
Thank you both for all the inspirational podcasts this year!
Why are so many of your videos clickbait titles or captions these days?
We discuss exactly what is in the title. Why we use a certain software and what I do when my trend of work is dead.
I’d say all of them. Typical quantity over quality when you need to post regularly and even though a video could be 1 sentence it needs to be 20 min for TH-cam.
Pros use what ever software they need. I've used Adobe for 20 years
Adobe have increased there prices .tho subs can only find out by Email adobe have sent out ...lolol
Strangely numerous togs on YT haven't said a word but thry love pushing Adobe LR / PS ...
so photoshop is still the Dogs bollocks of software then!
Remember to leave a tipple for the elves 😉
gimp is not a clone of photoshop lol
this auto multi lingual dubbing feature on your videos is quite annoying. This should come as an option, not as a default mode. I am not sure this really helps reaching to more people. It's a bit like if you had to switch off full auto mode everytime you grabed on your camera.
“Pros don’t use Adobe”, okay, but yes they do. So what is with that misleading title? I don’t get it…
This is ridiculous. Everyone uses Lightroom and photoshop, especially professionals.
Most pros use capture one into photoshop.
This is a reupload
had to delete is on Monday and re upload today as I left the C word in it haha
@@TinHouseStudioUK if I wasn’t already subbed, this alone would have just made me hit the button