Sorting out Bad Handling and Wheel Alignment, Porsche 911, Pt. 1
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- This 78 Porsche 911 SC belongs to a customer. She had a turbulent life and underwent massive modifications, but her owner has brought her back on the right track as much as body and interior are concerned. Unfortunately till now, that had not been true for the suspensions. Literally, the wheels stood in different directions with far off values for camber, toe and caster. The handling was accordingly at the poor side of things.
This is the first episode of a two-part series that deals with the rear axle, including the replacement of bushings, struts and torsion springs and the alignment of the height, camber and toe.
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When your video dropped, it provided me with a perfect excuse to have break from the 36c heat and stop gardening. Johannes your videos are without doubt the cream of the TH-cam crop and amazingly seem to improve with every episode. Bravo Johannes, and thank you. Best wishes from Provence..
So I’ve done a good deed today!
Glad you liked it, Lester.
Ahhh… the ballast of old repairs and modifications… love the effort you put into your voiceovers.
I also really appreciate how much you show us the struggles associated to that ‘ballast’. It reminds us we are not suffering by ourselves when we are alone in our garage working on an old bolt for 2 hours.
Great music.
Thank you for taking us along your journey.
Thanks, mate.
In fact the voiceover is the hardest part, but it’s also a lot of fun.
"She needed to be liberated from the ballast of years and years of pointless tuning and repair attempts." Werner Herzog as Porsche mechanic. Amazing.
Hi Matthew. I hear that very often and in fact, since he had a role in The Mandalorian, I more and more understand what you guys mean.
This is so much better than the glits and glam of looking at another showroom 911 video.
Glad you like it, mate.
Owing these cars means getting your fingers greasy.
A great video! Your dry, witty commentary is a gem and I think your production values are getting more sophisticated with time. Very, very watchable. And I don’t even own a Porsche!
Thanks a ton, Alastair.
Maybe you should own one?
Amazing skill set…much respect…great vlog…thankyou.
Thanks, Steven!
Thanks so much. I love your videos because you explain the concepts so well. This is first 911 video that I have seen that explains the adjustments to the rear so well. I often wondered how it worked :).
Glad you liked it, Garry!
@@GreasyFingers Yes I'd bring you my SC to refresh the spring plates and bushings in a heartbeat if I lived in your part of the world.
5 minutes in and I’m hooked. What a well put together video. And love the prose. This, is for the tasteful gentlemen who also harbour the passion…. for street power.
Thanks, my friend. That’s very cool feedback.
I just installed spring plates and new torsion bars on my 76 911 after watching your video. It helped immensely, thanks for the great content!
Thanks for the feedback, Ben.
I’m glad it helped!
I have just found this channel and love your work but also the VERY humourous voiceover "Stay away from the light little Porsche". Brilliant to watch and listen to.
Thanks a ton, Mark.
It’s very reassuring when a native speaker says that.
Superb, again. I have a much better understanding of rear suspension adjustments now, but, (paraphrasing) though I don’t understand it, I’ll have to handle it.
Thanks for taking the time to thoroughly document this repair.
Most welcome, mate!
I like the use of hand tools. Cheers for that.
Thanks, Cliff!
Oh boy, those rusted torsion bars and spring plates are always a big challenge. Beautiful repair!
Thanks, Andrew.
Yes, it’s a nightmare of an annoying repair.
I don't have a Porsche, but this was highly fascinating! I am interested in suspension setup, and it's amazing the differing solutions engineers dream up to the same problems. Thanks for the video!
Thanks, Andrew. Glad you enjoyed it!
You had me at “this is an ex puller “. Genius.
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Monty Python.....
Peter. I grew up in UK and it is mandatory to know all the words to “The Four Yorkshiremen” and “Dead Parrot”.
You are an Artisan, sir. I enjoy your videos very much. At first I thought you were a DIYer, like myself, but it seems you have a shop. They’re lucky to have you. We need more like you in the US.
Thanks, mate. I’ve only just become a shop owner. I’ll do a film about all that when I’ve reached 15k subscribers.
The more I watch your videos, the greasier my fingers get. They're nowhere near as greasy as yours but it's accumulating. Thanks for sharing so much knowledge.
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I wish i could bring my car to you.....totally inspiring thanks!!!
Thanks for the feedback!
Where do you live?
what a great assessment. I hate to admit it, but this is exactly the same point that 90s and 2000s JDM cars are at now as well. They have been unskillfully modified and "repaired" with 'i learned it on youtube' levels of understanding....
Thank you, Andrew.
Yeah, prime car killers are mechanics, road salt and accidents (in this order).
Another proper detailed job, I have come to expect no less from you now! Great job, well done. 👍
Thanks, David. Trying to do my best.
Great video, I am just on this topic, so it really helps. Actually I need to readjust all again, and I guess a few times more until I am happy enough with the figures. Good job
Thanks, mate.
Yeah, it’s a tenacious thing to do, many iterations.
Not a Porsche 911 owner (though I was in danger of buying a 993 some years ago before my attention was diverted by a BMW E39 M5) but love the content, aesthetic and production values of your videos. Your obvious care and attention to detail are what I try to replicate in bringing my M5 to peak condition. Greetings from the Highlands of Scotland.
Thanks for the feedback, mate, and cheers for your E39 M5, I’m sure it’s on its way to a great classic.
You’re not a mechanic. You are a poet.
Thanks, mate. That’s very cool feedback. 😊
Watching your videos are great and I really appreciate your sense of humor. Watching this video was a reminder of all the similar issues that I went through when I was refreshing my suspension on my SC. Good times! Looking forward to more from you.
Glad you like it, Dennis. Part 2 of the series is already in the cutting room.
For once, the TH-cam recommendation engine did its job! Subscribed!
Welcome, Guillaume. 😊
I'll never be able to afford one of these awesome cars but love watching you work on them :)
Never say never.
You get a solid SC today for the price of a Golf and I bet it’s never going to loose value.
Your skills are impressive and your production too! really nice material!
Thank you, Luis!
Enschuldigen Sie mir mein schuledeuch, aber dieser Kanal ist einer von die besten die ganze TH-cam. Danke von Norwegen.
Cool, dass Du Dich auf Deutsch meldest!
Ich freue mich wahnsinnig über das Feedback.
Very well produced video. Love your use of words (not even in you first language)
Thanks a ton, Mick. Means a lot to me. One’s always insecure when having to express things in a foreign language.
Tolles Video. Sie sind ein wirklicher Fachmann. Die meisten Werkstätten haben dieses Wissen leider nicht mehr. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Vielen Dank, Alwin.
Ja, inzwischen sind diese Dinge noch nicht einmal mehr Bestandteil einer Mechanikerausbildung. Warum auch? Wenn etwas kaputt geht, wird die Komponente getauscht und das war’s.
By luck, TH-cam suggested I watch this. Very informative, however, my old 911 needs an alignment and now I am having nightmares! Wish me luck and best wishes from upstate New York.
That means that eventually this TH-cam algorithm started to work.
I’ll be travelling to New York later this year, I’ll bring the doctor’s kit along. 😆
how exciting to see any 911 here on your channel thumbs up before I even click play
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Interesting video. I really like your quiet witty narrative. Well done.
Thanks, John. Is this a Carrera in your icon pic?
Glad this was recommended.
Glad you’re here! 😊
All I can say is judging by your accent I just wish you were in the states!
And do you want to hold my hand while I work on my 911 so I don’t make any more expensive mistakes?!
Greasy, your a rare bread. To rare to live, to wild to die. Thank you.
What you mean, accent? 😆😆
Thanks for the feedback, mate. You can always contact me on instagram or by mail when things get tough.
Well done on some excellent content . Great to see the variety of Porsche restoration work and accompanying narrative. Also, helpful to hear of the recommended products in the projects. Keep up the wonderful work. Artisan !
Thank you, Manjit!
Greetings from Texas. Love your Porsche content…best on TH-cam!! Keep them coming please.
Many thanks, Carl. Don’t hesitate to recommend it to a couple of friends … ☺️
Nice job good save on the mounting repair 👍
Thanks, Paul. Fingers crossed it will endure.
Well done. Been there many times myself. Even California cars get their spring plates stuck. I too choose not to re-vulcanize the new bushings. Very impressed with your alignment technique without a dedicated rack. That's a skill I have yet to develop. Your ratchets appear to switch opposite of mine? So few people don't understand how much test and measure, do it again it takes to get the alignment just right nor how influential the rear is on a regular car let alone a Porsche. Around here it nearly $200 for "toe and go" and customers wonder why a good alignment costs so much.
It’s always great if I get that sort of comments from pros.
I actually use a rack for the alignment of the toe, but in this case I wanted to have it just precise enough to dare to go out on the road for some kilometres to get the new bushings settled. Hence not much of a technique, the line was only to support the eyeballing.
Watching this took me back to the days when i was first exposed to Volkswagen Beetle and mini-van suspensions. I was both horrified and intrigued. It wasn't uncommon for the local hill-billys to cut the body off of a beetle and jack the suspension up to better allow their forays. My good lord, how those old buggies suffered such indiginities...lol. Cheers!
Thanks for commenting, Brad.
My landlord is into VW Transporters and all the similarities you discover as a Porsche guy in fact are intriguing.
I've just bought an '89 Carrera to use whilst my 105 GT Junior is on my rotisserie. It seems that we're on very similar pathways (although mine far less experienced). Thanks for the very interesting video (as usual)!
That is interesting! In fact I’ve bought a GT some weeks ago.
I just found your channel. I love your content. I have subscribed and liked. Ty.
Thanks, glad you’re here!
Awesome video:)) good to see you again
Endlich wieder ein neues Video!
Hi Luca. Ja, ich bin mit der Werkstatt umgezogen. Das ist dreimal so schlimm wie mit der Wohnung umziehen.
Hi Greasy finger ! Good to see you again on performing surgeries hastily
Thanks, François.
What you mean hastily? 😆😆
@@GreasyFingers Hastily because in less than half an hour you show us a day of work, but, I wanted to say ... Meticulously as usual.
@@franky19541 No worries, François. Yeah, in fact it’s a lot more work than it appears in the films.
Always impressed by the work done and the explanations that go with it, that even I can understand. Any work planned on the S124 seen at the beginning of the video ? Less glamorous for sure, but also a nice piece of engineering… missing Giulia and her pink underwear, too
Thanks, Yves!
Yes, the 124 has some body issues. I’m waiting for the parts dealer to dismantle the donator car before I start.
It's exactly the same workflow as on my 1979th VW Käfer.....different number of teeth on the outside to the outside on that torsionbar suspennsion.
Yes, that’s right.
I’m not a Käfer expert, but I think it has wishbones instead of the semi-trailing arm, right?
Fantastic insight, thanks a lot Johannes!
Thanks, Jan. You’re welcome!
I absolutely love what you do, amazing content.
Thanks, mate. Much appreciated!
Great to see you uploading again Johannes! By the way, I couldn't help but spot a Fiat 500 C in the background... Could you tell us more? ;)
Thanks, Matteo.
Yeah, I moved my workshop to another place. Crazy effort.
In fact that’s a customer‘s 500C. I’m repairing carb and ignition. Film in the making …
Nice video Johannes!
Love 911s
Glad you like it, Pantelis.
How’s the E30?
Excellent video 👍
Thanks, Rick, appreciated!
Brilliant video, very informative and very funny as usual...I clicked the thumbs up a dozen times (I know, it flips it on and off again instead of increasing the 'likes' :-)). Did you move to your city on purpose, or does it have '911' in its postal code by coincidence ? After some reflection, no, this can't be coincidence...wit your knowledge and patience making these 911's perfect again...must be a sign...
Thanks, Gerald.
In fact I think it’s my destiny to be a 911-addict. 😆
But how can you know my post code? Is it somewhere on the web?
@@GreasyFingers No no, that's when you sent me the Greasy Fingers stickers that I use for your publicity, by post...remember ? everyone now asks 'what's that thing on your laptop'...
Seeing that the torsion bars had completely rusted stuck to the bearings would you not like to use some kind of anti-seize compound on the splines when installing the new bars? Something like copper grease would already go a long way I would think.
Thanks for the great content btw!
Yeah, I guess you’re right.
Really enjoy.
Thank you
Most welcome.
NIce work as always prof.
Thanks, buddy.
You think you have problems. I couldn’t get rid of toe out on the rear wheels. Several mechanics and several alignment shops lied about the readings. The last one said it was my aftermarket adjustable spring plates, but is wasn’t. I actually had to enlarge the alignment slots on the spring plates for the toe adjustment. I had trouble removing one of the torsion bars. I had to drive it out from the opposite side. The whole problem stemmed from a bent torsion bar tube, and the car had two different trailing arms on it. I ended up diagnosing these problems myself, after the pros couldn’t figure it out. Although the tube is still a little bent. I constructed a strong bar and used a come along to pull the bar enough to get tow in at the back. I align with strings, and have the car set up right now. I installed aluminum trailing arms in place of the steel arms, adjustable spring plates and hollow bars, with poly bronze bushings and monoball trailing arm mounts. It is an Autocross car, but I do drive it on the street. It is a super lightweight , weighs in the 1700’s down from about 2240. I’m running aggressive suspension settings. Everything is fully adjustable and I can pull torsion bars out of the spring plates, by jacking up the side , removing a snap ring, and threading a bolt into the torsion bar and pulling it out. I enjoy your videos. I purchased Rod Emory’s alignment platform it will handle anything from the earliest 911’s up to RSR type cars. Hope you had a nice Christmas. Oh, I built a special 2.7 short stroke engine 66 crank with 93mm cylinders, and had California Motorsports build a custom 901 transmission, with all of their billet parts. Has a posi and close ratio gears. It’s scary fast, about 245 HP for 1700’s weight. If you would like to see the car coming back from a test drive, and first start up of the new engine, go to Rod Graff on You Tube. The first two videos are of the car. Of course it now has evolved quite a bit further
Hell, you went through all the shit, really.
I’d love to learn more about this project. Did you publish it somewhere on the web?
@@GreasyFingers no, I just have those two videos on my you tube account. I do have quite a few pictures that I could share. I didn’t document on the internet because the car has been evolving for 15 or so years. Let me know if you want to see some pictures via email. The car actually won my PCA region concourses before I retired it from showing, and decided to start hot rodding it, and auto crossing. I haven’t competed in about 10 years, but the car was taking top time of the day before I did any serious mods. It has a whole new power plant and suspension, plus significant lightning.. I could send you some pictures of it on the alignment platform and some other pictures of the cars’ progress. I also have a 993 cab, in which I installed the BBS PSS10 adjustable coil over suspension. I then lowered the car, and aligned and corner balanced it. I went from stock 17” wheels and built custom 18” BBS E88 3 piece track wheels, that are much lighter and much wider than the stock. As far as the 69 car goes, I just removed the stock gas tank and filler assy. I have a few minor rust issues to deal with, on the fuel tank cavity, then it’s off to installing the new lightweight hot rod gas tank, 911R front fenders, and some work around the R rear bumper, where it is currently too long at the rear of the wheel wells (short body bumper on long body car).
I've missed your videos mate!
Thanks, Brook.
I moved the workshop, as I’m sure you’ve noticed. That was the reason for the break, now they’re coming again …
I love your non-bullshit approach and practicality! New subscriber right here!
Glad you’re here, mate.
Great video, sir. I look forward to scratching my knuckles doing the same. Need to find some good used heat exchangers first, if you know anyone...
Let me think about that. I’m currently selling a set of SSI‘s, but I have to see first how good the customer‘s old ones are. What’s your budget?
Neuer Porsche? Ich dachte deiner ist rot. Freue mich immer auf deine Videos! 🔥
Danke, Alfred.
Der schwarze SC ist nicht meiner, sondern ein Kundenauto.
Awesome collection of hammers! Man can never have too many hammers 😁
That is true! I’m actually not the hammer kind of mechanic, but sometimes you just don’t get anywhere without.
This would have been the perfect time to upgrade the torsion bars and use poly bronze bushings
I went the other way, removed the so-called upgrade and made it original again. I don’t believe that making things stiffer makes it handle better.
They had pretty good engineers at Porsche.
Great video, great commentary!
… but is that actually a 911SC? It looks like a 74-77 911S with an SC motor and a carrera front spoiler. The rear fenders aren’t flared.
You’re right, Damion!
It might either be a 911 with different badge and engine or an SC with non-flared fenders. You have to know that at some point in time this was a flat-nose super-wide conversion. In turquoise metallic!!!! 😫
I gave the homework to the owner to get a Porsche certificate of birth.
@@GreasyFingers Haha - superwide to narrow body! Turquoise metallic to black! That car had an interesting life…
As for the year/model of the car, I was trying to see how the rear sway bars mounted, but I never got a good look. My car is a ‘77 and it has a sort of “pop-on” type of mount, rather than bolt-on. A large steel ball is mounted on the swing arm, and the sway bar end has a cup bushing that pops over it. Like a giant version of what you would see on a throttle linkage.
But now you really have me curious about the model year. The VIN should tell you everything.
Great video! Where did you source the new spring plates? Link?
Thanks, Jamin.
They are from JP. If you’re Europe based, you can buy them at me.
If you are a mechanic how come your hands are so clean? and your tools are not greasy ? :) (great video by the way!)
Hey! I‘m an automotive engineers who had enough of clean fingers.
(thanks!)
You are a maniac, a genius maniac
You’re definitely right with the maniac. 😆
excellent work. one klugscheiss-comment though: never owned one, but if so, I would definitely opt for a coil-over conversion for the ease of life :-D
Thanks, mate. Klugscheisserei is totally annoying, so I’m trying to avoid it when I can.
What you mean with coil-cover conversion?
@@GreasyFingers I meant getting rid of the torsion bars and using springs/coilovers. at least the height adjustment would be easier. but I guess it brings some new challenges. and is somehow a non-puristic modification of the 911 suspension philosophy
@@nesertema4583 Funny enough, Porsche did exactly that when they developed the G-model’s successor: the 964 has coil springs.
Kontemplatives Staunen und lernen, schon ähnlich den Videos von Jethro. Grazie mille 🙏
Danke!
Ja, Jethro und ich haben ziemlich genau denselben Stil. Ich bewundere sehr sein Auge für die richtigen Einstellungen an der Kamera.
Hello again my lunchtime viewing ,how many 911s have you got 🤗
It’s „only“ two. Rest are customer cars.
Nice video great music and editing, as always One little remark on the technical side. Bringing rubber bushings in the vicinity of Fluid Film is not the smartest option, as to my experience Fluid Film has a tendency to destroy any rubber it gets in contact with. It softens it at makes it grow.After a few months of chemical exposure you might have another dead parrot in your driving train.
Hi Oliver, thanks for the feedback.
I read that all the time, but I have never experienced it myself. Even at direct exposure of my Carrera’s rubber bushings over a period of many weeks: no trace of any chemical reaction. I was beginning to think that it’s one of those classic car myths.
What you say is personal experience or just an echo to what people write in forums? If it’s personal experience, can you provide me with pictures, data, samples …?
@@GreasyFingers Hi Greasy, it's based solely on my personal experience. I've corrosion-protected many Citroen DS and other 60s cars throughout the years and could observe the effect on returning customer/friends cars. especially on the body seals. And usually , in opposite to the French bodywork, the rubbers are of excellent quality.Maybe drive train bushes are not as prone to that effect, but I didn't, want to take risks after my observations. I think even Fluid Film states you should avoid contact with rubber in their technical sheets. So I developed my angle of attack, combining fluid Film and Mike Sanders. For slightly surface corroded cavities -no doubt - FF is the best, whereas for rubber contaminated spots I use the MS. I'll try to find some photo evidence in my archives or check at my personal 2000CS BMW that was fluid-filmed by its previous owner a few years ago😅.
Thanks a ton, Oliver.
I’m grateful for this comment and I look forward to further input.
WUNDERBAR.
Im surprised you just didn't go with rear coilovers
You mean coil springs to eliminate the torsion bars? Why would you do that?
@@GreasyFingers yeah. Many reasons. Damper and rebound adjustment, easy height adjustment. You can get Linear And progressive springs. And saves you fixing the rusted out bit.
Good work as always. I can't remember, but do you buy your primer pre-tinted, or do you do it yourself? If you do it, what do you add?
Thanks, Steve.
You can order it like that from Mipa.
You wouldn’t believe how much it helps finding the right amount of top coat.
4:36 At this point I liked this video
Thanks, Anson.
Yeah, not all is always easy.
The poor mother wouldn't approve you language during that "amputation", but we got the point...🤣
You have no idea how my mom can swear! 😆
Amazing channel. Can I be your apprentice? Living in Munich and searching for a 911 g Modell to resto
I live in Landshut, so we have a deal here. 😄
@@GreasyFingers amazing. How can I contact you ?
@@GreasyFingers can I contact you via mail / phone ?
Capolavoro!
Thanks, Esteban!
for my demanding customers I set up the suspension with the owner siting behind the steering wheel. 70 kg or 130 kg makes a difference
Yeah, you can do that. But what if a mighty lady jumps in? 😀
super!
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You don't really understand how it works, you just have to deal with it.
Like actually with many other fields of life.
I'm glad it's not just me, I've always found alignment adjustments of the rear suspensions on these cars to be nothing short of witchcraft and sorcery! On my trailing-arm BMW's, the camber is adjusted where Porsche stuck a torsion bar! I've since converted mine to coilovers with a much thicker 935 heim-jointed and absurdly named "spring" plate ... that no longer supports spring weight. It's now more capable of achieving the aggressive negative camber I need for track work.
@@Phasterphaster I see where you’re going!
Hallo Freund, Wie geht's Ihnen? Viel Spass & freundlischer Grûsse aus Kanada!
Hallo Aziz. Es geht mir gut, danke. Und selbst?
@@GreasyFingers Hallo Johannes! Alles Gut, aber der Soomer ist zu Kurz...Bitte eine Bit! Viel spass & auswiderhören!
@@GreasyFingers Hallo Johannes! Alles Gut, aber der Sommer ist zu Kurz in Kanada...Bitte eine Bit! Viel spass & auswiderhören!
the design of using the sill as mountings for rear axle seems stupid.
Why’s that?
How is it an SC with narrow fenders?
She doesn’t have narrow fenders.
@@GreasyFingers Is it not narrower than your 3.2?
No, it isn’t, there are three body types, narrow, wide and Turbo, every non-Turbo G-model = 3.0 was wide, except special limited models like the Carrera RS obviously.
@@GreasyFingers Sorry, but disagree,. An SC should be as wide as a 3.2. Yet , when one looks at the views you made from above of your 3.2 and this SC, the 3.2 is wider. These rear fenders are from a 2.7 or 2.7S.
Agree to disagree. ☺️
15:08 🤣🤣🤣
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I think every car should have a hate-adjuster.
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@@GreasyFingers Mal im Ernst, weiter mit der guten Arbeit. Ich kann mich dran errinnern, dass man die SC für 10-15k kaufen konnte. Wollte kein Schwein haben. Mittlerweile so teuer, dass ich mir sowas wahrscheinlich nie leisten können werde. Wobei: Die Kohle reicht ja heute auch nicht mal mehr um die Kaufnebenkosten beim Hauskauf zu bezahlen, also warum nicht in ein Auto ballern...
"this is an ex puller" 🙂
When I looked up the exact wording I had another laughing fit. I’ve watched it about a hundred times, but it still makes me rolling on the floor.
@@GreasyFingers "this is an ex puller", nah it's just restin'..
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@@GreasyFingers just to let you know that I'm a fan of yours from across the border (east). Your sense of humor matches mine. Keep'em comin'! All the best, Mietek.
I have watched all of these and I can't even afford a Porsche…
Thanks, mate.
You can always use my films to fall asleep quickly, even without a Porsche. 😃