NHRA starter Brad Hardy discusses Pro Stock burndown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- NHRA starter Brad Hardy talked with Brian Lohnes about the Pro Stock burndown at the #HeartlandNats and what went into the decision to put an end to it and ultimately disqualify both drivers.
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It is the prerogative of the starter to urge the drivers to actually GO.
The two drivers are NOT the only drivers/teams racing that day, and there is a show to run.
Brad Hardy did exactly the right thing.
That was one of the coolest comments I've ever heard said decisions for one second but 10 years of conversation thanks guys
I know one thing that each driver accomplished....the other guy lost.
They should have been disqualified. Great call
One thing that I think would cool would be that, in a situation like this, starter could just flip a switch that would illuminate both red lights on the tree.
Seems to me I remember Buster Couch doing that.
When Buster was the Chiefs starter the tree was under a manual start over the years the system has changed to what they call an auto start system once the cars pre-staged the starter flips a switch and the computer takes over
@@rickschowengerdt5832 That's correct because now there is a random delay by the computer system from the last car staging to the amber lights coming on.
@@lear1980 He could and has with the Chrondeck system, Not with Compulink....
Two reds lights on at the same time would flash on and off for about 6 seconds. With Compulink, After the switch is thrown, Its computer controlled, Out of the chief starter's hand.
That's why you never see two guys red-light on the same pass. One red light is an automatic green in the opposite lane regardless of how early the declared winner leaves after the opponent's red-light.
Or straight to green... go or get the fuck out of the way kinda thing
starter is the boss and every drag racer who have licence knows that.You do what starter shows you... Good show but boys didnt rispect mr. Brad Hardy enough.
I think the starting line official did his job flawlessly.
Absolutely safety matters as well as schedule wise they can’t wait all day to race.
Disagree
Why is Bruno acting pissed like he doesn’t know why it happened? 🤔
I'd be pretty pissed, but only at myself... I can't imagine the rent-a-ride cost of pro-stock loaner for a weekend, that was basically thrown away because the car didnt stage.
Maybe he should stick to TV although he's no TV Tommy Ivo.
@@richardrice8076 not that good on tv either,
@@MRNOBODY023 Hence the TV Tommy Ivo reference
@@WikidRacer yeah I am sure Richard Freeman didn't like it either. That was his car he gave to Bruno.
That was hilarious
Good call on kickin' em' off the box man
Rules are rules
And if ya can't play by em'
Don't play
Ha okay coward
Brad Hardy gave EVERYONE much time to get this race going I think he did the right thing. I've been racing for 40 years and NO starter would put up with that. Good job Brad. Rick Stewart would have been all over these 2 drivers in alot less time. I miss him out at the tracks.
Bruno (big ego) showed his true colors .
How so?
If they sit for more than 30 seconds, simply walk into both drivers view.....point to the watch and start a 10 second countdown. If nobody stages, red lights turn on.
Nice interview, Brian. Thanks for this.
Anybody old enough to remember legendary NHRA Chief Starter Buster Couch and how he would have reacted to this situation?! He was a colorful character. Brad showed great patience and gave them every opportunity to go in. It was great drama. Buster would have walked far enough up, so both drivers could see him, AND ORDERED them in. If they failed his command, he too would have shut them down…in about 10 seconds after he issued that command. I am not sure back then it would have been a DQ, but “back of the line and try again.” Brad did a great job. For Pete sakes….just stage. If they drop “the big red apple” on both drivers….what was the point?
Comes down to respect sometimes, especially on National Television when the boy was trying to educate the teacher. Just sayin
@@nevadadan4113 First round pro stock is never live, it didn't effect TV one bit.
Great call! NHRA should maintain integrity, professionalism, and respect for the starting line, the starter, and the sport. It separates them from other popular drag racing groups that are often characterized by frequent arguments, fist fights, and shady rules.
The NHRA has been losing money for a reason. There’s plenty of other organizations that don’t have any of the negatives you stated but are entertaining
awesome stuff. I love what the NHRA, Camping World are doing with all of these behind-the-scenes, breaking down stories, better camera angles better audio the whole nine yards! This particular burndown was epic! This is one thing about prostock to get people excited about prostock, definitely one of the best duels ever! The right call was made to shut him off at 3 minutes, and you have to DQ them, because you cannot change the run order based on this.
So once again, having these segments like this is important so fans understand what actually going on that are new to the sport or don't fully understand how the rules work. When I worked on (well every class of drag racing I crewed on, lol) for example, I would always hear people ask why the fastest runs weren't saved for the final round, lol, so great stuff by doing these kinds of videos!!
It's pretty bad when the high point of a pro stock race is watching 2 cars idling at the start line!!
@@Cougracer67 I'm not going to lie, I completely agree, prostock has a very distinct following any they need more exciting variables like this.
Needs to happen more often, I won't get into the whole back story but anyway...lol
An absolute favorite of many is example is look up (top fuel):
The story how Dougzilla got his name.. lol
It's between Doug Herbert and Clay Millican, and it's great, haha
Well Done, Sir! Hat’s of from Sweden 🤩
Throw them out. Good call. Their actions mess up the guys behind them in the water box burn out area. No respect for either drive as both think they are big man on campus.
Huh?? The only thing hurt was tv time. How does it hurt the people behind them? They aren't even started up yet.
It does bother some people. You get ready, all strapped in with all your gear sitting in a hot car, on a hot track, waiting for who knows how long. Just like calling timeout on a free throw or before a field goal. A person's mind can wonder around and throw them off.
@@michaelcummings1862 if they can't handle that, I hope they NEVER do another motorsport where they have to be in the vehicle any amount of time.
Be an interesting conversation with your sponsor's
Doubtful. Look at all the attention this has brought to them and the sponsors. If it weren’t for a burn down I would have never seen these 2 cars run. Or in this case not run.
Sponsors should LOVE it.
Buster would've shut them down sooner.
But the kill it moment was awesome!!!!
I remember the burn down between WJ and Dave Connley years ago. There was a long burn down in XPS a few years ago that lasted 4 minutes also. Very entertaining for the fans for sure.
Actually I find it boring. I paid to watch 'em race not argue over who goes In 1st.
It's not entertaining, it's annoying and rude.
Boring and rude yikes. If you have been to a race you know there is a lot of down time. As for being rude have you ever been to a race? TF and FC are the rudest cars on the planet that's why you go to the event.
"entertaining"???? No, Boring is a better word! Just a waste of everyone's time.
I’m with you. Bunch of boreholes on here crying. People like it, it’s fun it’s funny and it adds some excitement to the most boring class in nhra.
STUPID go in and race. If you want to play, play at cutting a better light than your opponent.
Pretty simple solution is to implement a 30 second starter controlled clock that flashes the 30 seconds without displaying the actual countdown (will keep em guessing how many seconds they have)that if surpassed will disqualify both drivers. I get it some drivers have a routine going in and take longer than others but in this stage of racing careers they are "professional " and should be and are expected to be on their "A"game. Moments like this are good for the sport kind of like nascar's "have at it boys" and they are basically out to destroy their equipment whereas in drag racing all that would be crushed is egos.
A better solution is TO ROLL IN WHEN THE TIMER TELLS THEM TO!
@NuBz They had there warning to move in and didn't. I would of done the same thing as the starter but sooner. You show them what your going to put up with and what your not.
I remember back in the 70s they kept their egos out of the car
the hell you say lol - there was plenty of ego back then lol
I remember a similar situation involving Warren Johnson and one of the Dodge boys.
Buster backed them up and had some colorful things to say to each driver.
They had better luck staging the second time...😄😄😄
I agree 100% DQ both of them, the starter showed great patience where others would not have. NHRA should hit both of them with points penalties and fines -they violated the rules, in other form of motorsports there would be points/penalties no question. As a racer myself I have no patience for kind of childish nonsense-you want to mess with someone on the line within the rules deep stage that will usually stop this kind of stuff or roll right into both beams-that always works too.
For those of you who remember Buster Couch......
Warren and Scott !!! Shut off and backed out, but had a second chance to stage !! Warren won !!!
Excellent work!!!!
Yep disqualification.
A lot of people saying we need to implement a new system or new rules, add lights or a timer to the tree. The starter seen this happen once before and the other guy said he hasn't ever seen it. Why do people think more rules or regulations need to happen because of something that happens almost never? I think letting drivers know they will get a dq is enough.
Great call by the Official, he's in charge they were warned. I was a ASA official I understand why he did it
First he said " we " decided.. then he said NHRA LET HIM SOLELY decide what the outcome was. .
People who are full of sh!+ usually contradict them selves. It's what ya do.
Great call... he had 2 choices shut them off as he did, or after the time went on as long, just hit the green...
I sort of wished he just hit the lights. With any luck one or both of them would have blown a motor.
I was thinking he could have hit the green or may be start the double amber lights giving them 1 to 2 seconds to take their foot off the clutch.
Best way to stop this is fine them money and points, if that doesn't work tell them too not bother showing up for the next race. No race no sponsorship dollars. Do your job gentlemen.
That's beyond stupid they don't have enough cars to do it. 3 and a half minutes= don't come to the next race, pay us more money and lose points because that will grow the division. If you think a staging duel is a problem you haven't been around drag racing long.
@@brawndothirstmutilator5863 they were waved in the rule states do what the starter says if you don't you pay the price I got no problem with burn downs but when you get waved in do your job STUPID. Only somebody whose STUPID will over play the burn down game at the next race.
At first I thought NHRA was wrong. But now that I've seen the video, I'm on NHRA's side. You need to either $hit or get off the pot. They should've staged and went. The starter should have just lit the bulbs and see what happens.
Great decision, actually.
Absolutely the right call. No doubt about it!!
i'm glad they got sent to trailer. maybe they will respect the sport next time.
You sound like a hoot to be around. Lameo
That big ass EGO of mine has gotten me into jams like this too. Depends on a mixture of how much respect Bruno thinks he deserves, versus the respect the other driver was willing to give. Looks like Round 2 should be coming soon, hopefully in a Finals.
Both crews were even enjoying that burned down but I guarantee you what if buster couch would have been there it would have never went nearly as long as it did and they both would have been shut down and done sooner
@NuBz yes that was buster couch
@NuBz You are probably thinking of Rick, he followed Buster.
It's the starters call. Not to mention they had more than enough time. I'm glad the starter made the call. When the starter backs you out of the beams that's a dq. The only strange thing here is people are not used to seeing double dq.
Enjoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This track still on the schedule yet National Trails isn't. Trails look so much better just on the track portion
I have said for years, that NHRA should make a rule that if you have lane choice, you must stage first. I think that would solve it.
Finally an official who thinks like a racer!!!
Don't want to race? Good. Shut them down and put it on the trailer.
Should have thrown an instant green at the 2min mark then let them scramble to get down track, were they both scared to lose or just wanted to scramble the field up some to gain an advantage somehow?
Just curious. What would have either driver lost by being first to stage?
I understand head games and all that but still. After a minute, 2 minutes , 3 minutes what would the first driver to stage have lost?
Ego
Reaction time to the tree.
@@WikidRacer the reaction time is from greenlight to leaving the line. Doesn't have shit to do with you staging. Just 2 guys with big egos and it bit them both.
They mentioned it briefly in the video, that there's an overheating concern. The longer they sit there, the greater the chance of things going boom before they cross the finish line. If you think your car can withstand the heat more than the other guy, wait to stage and see if you can cause the other to do so as well and perhaps gain an edge via the other guy overheating before you. Hence the name, "burndown." At least that's how I've heard it explained.
It’s just a mental game. Basically just thinking you get something on the other driver by making them yield and stage first. But, once one driver stages there’s limited time for the other one to get staged. So, you can also go ahead and fully stage quick and that makes the other driver rush to get fully staged before that time runs out.
Good on yer brad, thought the guy in red was going to burst into tears YOU BOUGHT IT ON YOURSELF. what about the blue car driver we dont see his reactions?
Yep, saw Buster Couch do that 30(?) Years ago.
I like Bruno for his Fox interviews of drivers and knowledge of Drag Racing but he should know better then acting like a two year old.
so does that mean every time Warren Johnson tried to burn down Bob glidden he was being a baby too??? no, staging duels are part of drag racing, mr Hardy is no Buster Couch thats for sure. instead of a stupid double DQ, he shoulda backed them out, and re ran them at the end of the round.
I got a question....why did neither driver pull in?
LOVE PRO STOCK !!!
GREAT JOB BRAD HARDY!!!!!!!!
You done what needed to be done. 👊👊🤙🤙👍👍✌✌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I watch Donk racing a lot and i grasp the idea of burning down but I need someone to explain it, what is the purpose?
To show how childish you can be!
Memories of Scott and Warren ..🍻🍻🍻🍻🎊
Warren and Glidden long before Scott was old enough to have a license
looks like a jj da boss staging lmfao 🤣😂😆🔥💨
Another bunch of babies 👶 can't get my way so I'll hold my breath 😭
NPK rules are simple. You have (if I'm correct) 2 minutes from the burnout to light the top staging bulb. And 7 seconds to stage the second stage bulb after the first or you go red and the other lane wins.
The 7 second rule only applies when your opponent has staged already.
Just let them run out of fuel
Yeah I do remember the great buster couch. He didn't put up with any crap. At least brad gave the drivers ample time to stage and race. But both guys being so stubborn didn't get them anywhere but disqualified and sent back to the pits and on the trailers.
right thing this is racing not head games
Youre there to race...cut out the BS
Shot clock like in basketball. At the top of the tree. It starts when the first car prestages.
Staging games absolutely suck.
Not a wheel spun, cept back to the pit... I like it!
Let them have fun
As much as I love the classic Burndown, I think Brad's call was 100% warranted.
What I have seen before is once they finally Staged the Starter would not flip the switch
3 minutes is ridiculous. Good call Brad...
Brad made the right call. Someone has to be in control.
This guy is no buster couch!
This is the reason I don't watch NHRA on a regular basis (or NASCAR). I used to attend many races, as I only live 90 miles from Indy and 10 from Edgewater (a dump). I can guarantee if that was my car, both drivers would have been fired. In this case, it was 2 Chevy's (in a field of Chevy's) didn't get to run. It didn't change the rotation of the earth and it didn't change the fact a Chevy won another Pro Stock race. Am I mad that there are no Kias running Pro Stock? Hell yea. It just gives a Nissan a chance to break into the ranks. Again, another chance for Chevy to say we dominated Pro Stock (they dominated anyway after the likes of Bob Glidden went away) just like they thought they could dominate IndyCar. But Honda called their bluff and is kicking their butts. They also lost their grip on the Pikes Peak Hillclimb once the Unsers retired. The point of my rant is this starting line debacle was stupid, Bruno might have won that day, but his stubbornness was fruitless (maybe he didn't feel like racing anyway).
Good for you
When Brad says that he was enjoying the momment as well before making the call, that should clear the air for these angry "fans".
I agree completely!
If You Didn't Like The Stagging Duel Your Not a TRUE Fan of Racing !
Buster Couch wouldn’t have waited THAT long 😂😂😂😂
Brad was more than patient, IMHO............. Buster C. Never would have let them sit there that long before he DQ'd them. If he had two cars sitting on the pre-stage and neither one staged within 10 seconds of the last pre-stage... they were Done. You didn't screw around with ole Buster, if you came to race... you better have had your "A" game on at the starting line and be there to race... and he didn't play games with you (re: anyone) either, if he told you to get staged right now.. you had better do it, "Yesterday".
There is only One time that I "kind of" remember (a Lonnng time ago) that he "allowed" a P/S "burn down" many years ago, and I'm thinking it was between Glidden and either "the Grump" (Jenkins) or Butch Leal in a final round match-up... but he only allowed it for about 45 seconds to a minute, then gave them 10 seconds for both to be staged, which they did.
Many, say Buster was the best starter NHRA ever had, and racers got mad at him, sometimes... but they all respected him, because he treated everyone equally... regardless of what class you ran in. He went by the rules, which he new better than anyone, in all classes... there was no "if's, and's or but's" about anything, and IF you had the "Kahone's" to dare argue with him.... you were on your way, and off the property.
What fluids? It doesn't kick out water!
Act like a toddler you get a time out. Grown children.
This guy is a professional and sounds super down to earth. He made the right decision. If they aren’t gunna race get em off the track.
Great call !! You don't want to stage in a timely manner, yet you guys wanna be a cry baby because you are disqualified?? Self inflicted DQ. Grow up lick your wounds fellas. Starter made the right call !!
Foolish drivers.
Im on nhra side here.
As a racer who had to put up with 2 drivers over the years just being stupid im glad they stepped up. And i was just bracket racing.
I dare them to do it again ! lol
When I was racing there was ole Buster Couch he would of done had it shut down before 3 minutes i have raced for years and this is ridiculous
This is what happens when you don't get it ! This is not a clown show ! If you're here to race , then you know what to do ! Or your on the trailer !!! 🤔😜
DQ the right call.
Absolutely the correct decision. Stage or take your ass to the pits.
brad hardy did his job
He did the right thing. Send those children down the road!
Why refuse to stage? I'm not getting why.
I think it's the equivalent to playing chicken.
Its one guy telling the other guy, I'm going to make you stage first, no matter what, well the other guy is thinking, I'm not going in until he goes in, and it just goes on and on from there, he's not gonna make me go in first, he's going in first...and we all watch and wait.
Clearly I missed something. Why did these 2 guys have a hard on for each other?
the starter did his job&his call was correct both driver were DQ i wldve done samething
Absolutely, DQ both drivers was the thing to do. That kind of ego exhibition is childish and unprofessional.
Lol man you’re so cool
Looks like Bruno needed a diaper change 💩
What is the point?!
I think PS sucks anyway. Like NASCAR should do, they should use factory bodies in white and make racecars out of them. Use factory based powerplants and tub em out and go race em.
Im on thé starters side..
I love a good burn down. I would have let them sit there all day if they wanted to.
Let em run out of gas
No 7 second rule?
The 7 seconds doesn't start until one driver is fully staged and the other driver is pre-staged.
@@macman231 10-4. Thanks for the clarification.
Rules are rules ¡ i will never say something wrong with all due respect a staging duel is cool but that was way out so i think it was the right thing to do from the starter in fact i would have done it way earlier
Well done if they don't want to line up, shut them down and send them home!!!!!!!!!
Easy fix for this is quicker car gets lane choice or staging last.
You win this comment section sir
What I see happening their is the person who stages first would get to the line right away and it would screw up the person staging last. Wouldn't be a benefit at all.
That's drag racing
Did the right thing. Both deserved to be DQ!!!