The INDYCAR Hybrid Tech Series, Episode 1: Getting to Know the INDYCAR Hybrid System
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- In the first of a 4 episode series, HRC President, David Salters, and Marshall Pruett explore the intricate details of the Energy Recovery System (ERS) and uncover its potential to redefine INDYCAR racing.
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Always love David Salters and MP explaining tech!
Marshall gathers excellent explanations, asks the right questions. This kind of development gets me more excited about Indycar.
great series! LOVE THIS!
Great video with great information.
Superb content.
Can't wait
This is cool.
I still will never understand why this is being a mid-season thing.
MAHLE (the company hired to produce the Hybrid systems) had so much trouble developing the units that Chevy and Honda basically had to do most of the work themselves. Because of that, IndyCar didn't have enough units to safely supply the whole field at the beginning of the season.
@@paulo143PE I get that. I just don't understand why it's just not implemented next year.
I've never heard of a sport where the players have to learn a whole new thing half way through before
It's just weird.
@@xtlm Honda and Chevy spent alot of time and resources to develop the hybrid units. So they, especially Honda, are adamant in the hybrid units debuting this year. In the end they compromised on having it debut after the Indy500. At least now it's confirmed the units are reliable enough to debut at Mid Ohio in July.
@@xtlm On the plus side, it looks like we'll see the Firestone tires works as they should for the rest of the year since these tires were designed for the extra weight of the hybrid system. I don't think the reds will be lasting as long as they did at Laguna Seca this weekend.
I have a question, I dont know much about these at all. The video makes it sound like power is only generated in the hybrid system under breaking, which is fine for most tracks. But what happens at Indy, are they just adding weight for no benefit? Will we see drivers try and drag a tiny bit of brake in the corners now for a boost later or something?
This isn't about speed or racing. It's about public relations. Advertising. It's designed to sell Honda road cars to that infinitesimal segment of IndyCar fans who have a positive image of dual-drivetrain cars. To accomplish its purpose, the hybrid system need never contribute any power at all. If it never charges, it has accomplished what Honda wants it to do -- just by being ballast.
Exactly, it's not needed as emissions were already low. Pure marketing.
From what I understand there's a paddle that can engage regen even at full throttle, so at tracks like Indy instead of having to lift slightly when following another car if you can't realistically go for a pass into a turn, you can instead engage regen to bleed off the speed, then use the energy gained on the next straight to more securely make the pass.
@@griffinfaulkner3514Yep. That's answered in the 2nd video.
So great! Will INDYCARs still need to refuel at pit stops?
Think it will add interest but not sure it will improve the racing. We’ll see. As always, thanks for the insight, Marshall.
The hybrid will allow stranded cars to restart themselves without needing the safety team to restart them. That's improvement enough to make this worthwhile.
@@danielhenderson8316 Not necessarily. This has been discussed a lot and the consensus is that the super capacitor, and the nature of how it can be quickly charged and discharged, won’t guarantee enough energy is present in the capacitor to restart the engine in the event of a stall. They’re not using the same battery tech you’re seeing used in IMSA.
@@lmsefi7156 They've already done it multiple times during testing. That's still better than what we have now.
No mention of efficiency gain numbers. Will this turn all races into fuel economy runs?
No. Really won't be used for that. I think that is Honda marketing hybrid tech in the real world. In IndyCar, the stored power will be used for greater acceleration. With the extra weight and slower cornering, it may end up being the same lap time. That is yet to be seen if they are faster or slower.
Why did they decide on super capacitors vs battery?
is this like Vovo KERS?
Is this racing?? Or a fuel economy run??
How is extra power with better efficiency a fuel economy run?
@@danielhenderson8316
Look at F1. If they’re gonna stick with 50/50 for the next 10,000 years that’s one thing but I guarantee they’ll end up being 25/75 before 2050. Indycar and their new wave of uneducated fans will drive itself into the same “50/50” direction as f1 if this hybrid fad even lasts another decade.
Will it sound like Chewbacca?
It'll sound like the current IndyCar.
Couldn't have waited until 2025?
I remember about four years into the F1 hybrid engines, commentators were constantly saying that the problem with people’s dislike for the hybrid engines was “the sport wasn’t properly explaining to the fans how incredible the technology was.” History has shown that to not be true. Fans know what these engines do and yes it’s great… for road cars… not for entertaining motor racing. I’m not sure when motorsport come to accept that for the first time ever, the interests of the road car industry are counter to that of motor racing, but it needs to happen soon. As Martin Brundle has stated during at least two races this year, the decision to adopt hybrid engines in F1 is one of the sports greatest mistakes. Good luck to Indycar, but its cars should go the opposite direction of F1 and compete with proper open-wheel, open-cockpit race cars.
Why is it a mistake? It adds more horsepower.
@@joelbrooks3198 it adds just way too much weight, and means the cars ability to change direction and the way they have to be driven is vastly inferior to cars prior to the hybrid being introduced. Watch the cars twenty years ago and you’ll see that while they’re slower in terms of lap time, they are so much faster in every other way that they move and race.
@@Jackbyrne77 They added a lot of weight that has nothing to do with the hybrid power units.
@@joelbrooks3198 I don’t disagree with that, and I largely don’t agree with that either.
@@Jackbyrne77 They should make them as small and light as they can and keep the hybrids.
The fact that imsa and wec are out developing Indycar is baffling
Indycar had renewable fuels first.
Not really, IndyCar is a spec series with 2 manufactures, innovation isn’t necessary because everyone runs basically the same thing. IMSA and WEC have multiple manufactures competing and with more variation allowed between the cars there’s more room for innovation thus development happens faster
@@racdude01 innovation is pretty necessary. Part of the reason Honda wants out because it’s not forwarding technology development for them like every other series is. It’s a spec series but a spec series you could technically run in historics class if you had the money
Why?
@@413TomaccoRoad there is minimal technology advancements with 2 manufacturers. The spec series argument is bs because you can race this chassis privately in historics if you had the money
More weight, more complication, more expense. Necessary? I think not. More exciting? I think not. Make the racing better? I think not.
More efficient. We could give a shit. Bring back turbocharged v8s.
You could?
You’re not seeing the big picture! Imagine pit stops without fuel! More racing and less silly stupidly long pit stops. It’ll also help with race strategy and make it something we can all keep up with and not be memorized when Scott Dixon is magically somehow ahead at the end of the race! Lol!
@@PatrickH-hd6xu Mesmerized?
Will it improve the racing? IndyCar is a racing series, after all. This seems to be a very expensive change for no apparent reason. No benefit at all. Hybridization in F1 marked the end of real racing. I hope it doesn't do the same for IndyCar.
You're saying a lot of nothing 😂
The apparent reason is Honda & Chevy want it.
I'm listening to the Le Mans 24 and what an abortion of Hypercars seemingly so unable to manage rear grip in the wet that one after another into the barriers then a 4 1/2 safety car parade due to rain. I've followed this sport from the late 1980's and today it's like all the technology has moved the racing BACKWARDS
In this video, this man said nothing exceptmaking a commercial for Honda. But indycat said this hybrid sistem will just be used for push to pass. Extra boost will not arrive from the engine but from the electrical part. Will it change races? Maybe yes and maybe not in a good way because this recovered power is always available, depending on how much energy every driver will recover. So no more same amount of push to pass seconds for every driver
It did not end real racing in F1.
Good luck with boring expensive engines.
Hybrid race cars are lame.
you ruined this with the host