BlackBeltBarrister Reacts: Dogs Shot & K**led by Met Police
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- You will all have seent the news of the Met officers shooting the 2 dogs, but why? Was it justified? Here are my thoughts.
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We have investigated ourselves and found ourselves not at fault .
It was the owners fault.
@@garyfreeman896well without the body cam footage it's hard to form a unbiased opinion this why hate internet sometimes mostly only see one side of the story.
The dogs were on leads they didn’t have to kill the dog’s
I will bet that no further action is taken, after all this is the met.......
It is an example of social engineering aimed at normalising the lethal use of guns by armed police
Dangerously out of control, Hard to justify when on a lead. The previous incident needed to be investigated first before enforcement
Impossible to justify. The only things out of control there wete the armed officers.. the ones who get to decide we cant own firearms and go door to door seizing licensed firearms for no reason while being trigger happy as fuck.. theres a reason america keeps a right to bear arms and this is exactly it. People need to fucking wake up and see the bigger picture.
Not under control if the lead is held by a person intent on causing harm. 🤷
And when the dogs got shot they were not under control by the owner on the lead 🙄
@@nigedwn7174 there was no evidence that he purposefully set his dogs on anyone. By the reports the dog nipped a lady and a member of the public i.e.. not the women agreaved. It needed to be investigated and potentially charged, but by tasering the person they created the situation where the owner was no longer holding the lead.
@@naetimefiryerpish7 police cannot create the situation they charge you for legally. its more ambigous with dogs as theyre considered disposable by police. but the principal is the same,
PLOD HAVE NO PROBLEM SHOOTING INNOCENT HUMANS SO SHOOTING A DOG 🐶 IS CHILDS PLAY TO THEM
Then I will throw a catch 22. Those "police CONSTABLES" are guilty of HARASSMENT which is as you well know is defined as ANY ACTION THAT CAUSES ANOTHER PERSON ALARM AND/OR DISTRESS. so that's 1 count of for unnecessary use of a firearm in a public area without good reason. And willfully executing 2 animals in full public view with OFFENSIVE WEAPONS. This is a clear example as to why the police shouldn't have access to firearms at all!
Unless its been 3 or more occaisions (seperate occaisions on different days) then its not harassment. No singular incident no matter how drawn out can be harassment in uk law.
It’s lovely seeing her off lead, stretching those long legs. Great exercise for the floof and excellent recall skills playing with a ball, makes for a very happy doggie
Yet if you injure a police dog while its attacking you the police will prosecute you for it!
What law was broken or scenario happened for a police dog to be attacking you?
thats ok though when they set the dogs on you they are just doing their jobs laws don't apply to people in uniforms only us common folks.
@@ianking8315 Context on why they are setting the dogs on you please?
@@garyfreeman896 because they enjoy it gary they like hurting people they don't do what they do with reluctance.
@@ianking8315 I am no fan of the police however what are your comments based on?
Handled very badly, the cops deal with large mastiff types in raids using non lethal techniques.. my 5'4" 60 Yr old missus can restrain a rottweiler easily using the dog catcher at her vet practice, she is livid about the killing of these dogs. From what we are hearing the earlier incident was a dog scuffle with a woman's dog in the street, she got tangled in the lead and went over, she didn't want police to be called but member of the public did.
There were many factors involved, but the lady’s hysterics didn’t help.
So a perfectly normal dog fight turned into a tazed man and 2 slaughtered canines.. if those officers and their higher up arent locked up for this there should be riots in the street. Its past time we stopped brushing this kind of incident off. They never get held acountable and whoever decided those trigger happy lunatics were trained and stable enough to walk the streets with firearms and live ammunition needs an even longer sentence than them.
The armed police are not dog experts. It was heart breaking to see those dogs being shot repeatedly while their owner was tasered.
A relative of mine had a resued lurcher - a huge beautiful dog but it mauled sheep - twice. After the first incident the sheep were injured but not badly and the farmer took no further action.
After the second where 9 sheep were killed it went to court and the dog was destroyed. The whole episode could have been avoised if my stupid relative had not encouraged the dog to chase and kill rabbits on the Downs and had followed my advice to muzzle it. It was sad because the dog was loved and was great around the house and with people.
Disgusting. How can it ever be okay?
Those officers need as merciless of treatment as they gave to those poor dogs who were nowhere near out of control in the slightest. And all these people using the word pitbull to try and dismiss it off the bat, pitbulls an umbrella term containing loads of different but similar "bully" breeds and crossbeeds between or including 1 or more of thise breeds. Technically a staffordshire bull terrier is a pitbull.. its nonsense but people use it to devalue the life of a harmless animal and justify killing it "but they harm more people" no shit a group of dogs statistics combining 5 or more breeds when compared to the statistics of one singular breed on its own is of course going to look more.. lol those german shepherds like the police use, are statistically far more dangerous, have a much stronger jaw/bite and bite more people when you compare fairly, as in one breed vs one other breed instead of lumping a load of breeds into one then comparing them to one other breed. But every buys the "pitbulls" "bred for fighting and killing" "actively hunt and maul children" bullshit narrative entirely uneducated police and journalists like to push.
Totally distracted by the floof, she’s very big now but totally adorable. I hope you got on top of the allergy problem? Kind Regards. Michael
Shouldn't be kicking a dog and even if it's to be put down it needs to be done humanely unless it's life of death, which is hard to justify as the police were wearing stab/ballistic equipment, so how much danger were the police in? . If it wasn't justified would that also make it illegal use of a firearm or other similar offences .
They should bring charges of animal cruelty
My main concern is that the police used firearms at very short range and what would the situation have been if they had missed and shot the dog owner.
In addition did the police also consider the safety of other people in the surrounding houses who could have been hit by ricochet etc
The main problem as I see it is that armed police seem to quickly move to using their firearms as a matter of standard and when they pull out their gun then they are trained to go for the kill shot
We have seen this happen so many times
All shots are shots to kill,there is no shoot to wound. That only happens in the movies. I'm sure the training is suffice that they wouldn't of aimed at or shot the owner with lethal force.
If they had shot the owner it would be "because he was interfering with a police operation and posed a lethal threat to officers" simples!
They would have got away with killing the dog owner too. "Oh his perfectly controlled dogs tried to protect him after we unnecessarily tazed him and made him drop the leads so they became a threat, its all the dog owners fault i feared for my life standing there with my AR" judge "sounds reasonable, if the man survives.the multiple surgeries hes undergoing to save his life he will spend the rest of his days behind bars".
Welcome to the great injustice system that we have in this absolute wasteland. How can such great countries get to this point.. without people lining the streets out for blood.
If they did ANYTHING at all to house homeless men that man and his canines wouldnt have ever been in that position, but only women, children, and illegal immigrants get housing here, single male? You can die in the gutter for all they care, disabled or otherwise matters not.
Have you considered a career as a firearms safety officer? You seem so well informed 🙄
Its disgusting what happened and the police are getting out of control
If someone needs to get that close to fire a shot then they should not be anywhere near a firearm. Clearly that close shows the dogs were not out of control. A dog out of control would ensure you kept a distance. In my opinion. Idiots with guns who should not be near any weapon.
So back off and make the chances of an aimed shot more difficult and harmful to passers by the round going through the dog and ricochet? Quite stupid really.
@@SnakePliskin762 If they cant hit a target from more than two feet accurately then I simply reinforce that they should not be near a firearm. Firing a high velocity weapon from that range is more of a danger due to a ricochet. They're a joke.
@@DerekHubbertipdn it's not about accuracy,a shot from 300 metres is easy enough but it's the backdrop and angle the round hits the ground to take into account. Anyone with firearms experience knows this.
Also, if you are killing something the kindest thing to do is be as sure as you possibly can be of the quickest death. But Im not condoning the actions.
I have been attacked by a smaller dog and bitten. I received an apology from the owner. I believe that a just outcome would have been for the dogs to be assessed. This is a sad example of the owner not cooperating with the police and the dogs paying the price.
I think this is absolutely appalling. An outside agency needs to investigate this matter. I have a Shih Tzu and let me tell you if you tazered me she wouldn’t be happy, small as she may be. A dog will defend its owner, regardless of its size.
I'm perturbed the police were called out for dangerous dogs with no tranquilizer gun. Leaving them no choice but euthanasia. Case closed minimal paperwork.
@@Steves_fish He was being Sarcastic.
They generally don't have tranquillizers as if a gun is called for it's lethal force, though this case may be a reasonable example of why they should
Do armed police normally deal with homeless people or was there a specific reason they were dealing with the man and the dog's got caught up in the heightened tension. Independent expert's need to investigate, didn't a trainer for the dog handling kill his dog at work by locking it in the van with windows up in the middle of summer.
Homeless people can be dangerous, here in 🇨🇦 one just murdered a police officer going to check on them 😢
@@pozzee2809 I'm sorry to hear of your policeman losing their life whilst trying to help someone. Here we do have armed police who as a rule do not attend (unless weapons are involved) when dealing with the homeless (many who have dogs) I would just like to know what the justification for killing these dog's actually was.
There needs to be a full independent investigation as to why the owner was not shot police not doing their job
Your dog is awesome. Can see how well loved 😍he is.
It seems to me as if it was a bit gun ho .It goes on regular in the USA. Not here .
They are learning fast. There is now far too much American influence in this country. We used to be civilised. Not anymore.
I've seen the full video I always defend police but not this time the dogs weren't agressive in any way totally unjustified execution 😡 I'm disgusted by them
What a lucky Floof! That is a beautiful dog park.
they didn’t send animal control staff, they did send officers with guns, seems to be the standard response for all situations - when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail 🐕 🔨
Was the police response proportionate, no. Could they have done things better, yes. I have watched the footage of the incident and the dogs were not out of control when the police confronted the owner, both dog were on leads. My advice to anyone is to watch the footage before making judgment.
They investigate them self so we all now what will happen. not at fault.
What a good floof 😍
What would happen if the police dog gets purposely killed by a member of public,
Floof!!! You’re the best thing on TH-cam! ❤
I find it very disturbing very disturbing indeed, if the man lived in a wealthy home would they have done it, these creatures are sentient life forms, what we have here are pychosexuals whose first impulse to be menacing, the action was mis appropriate
@@Steves_fish Poorly spelled psychosexual. Their lack of proper punctuation shows they are unskilled with the language so their misspelling shouldn't really come as a surprise.
Shame we can't get Floof's input.
Although we all know how he would have summed up the situation....
'Rough'.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour by armed thugs
They will be put on leave, with full pay.
Get a telling off by the inspector.
Return to work, carry on like nothing happened! 😉
The only thing that will happen is some funky knuckle pressing handshakes or inbetween them depending. Nothing will become of this, just funky handshakes that brush it under the carpet as per usual.
Luis Suarez bit 3 players, all of which were caught on camera and all he faced was a 17 game ban for all 3 "incidents", a dog acts in an "aggressive manner" and the police can put it down. How is that fair? Why is the animal destroyed when it isn't their fault? If you raise an animal (especially a doggo) right, they won't be aggressive. That's not to say that the owner didn't raise them right in this instance, it's more the issue of the police shooting animals. They are armed. They didn't need to use lethal force to subdue the dogs; no matter how aggressive they seemed to be. But just because they aren't human, somehow they are less than us...
So, justifiable grounds for a taser attack is to react to a yob in a uniform shooting your dog!!!!! Under joint enterprise all of these 'officers' are shown to be committing grievous bodily harm to the owner and I think there may be a law about the illegal discharge of a firearm but you would know more than myself. Plus anything else I cannot think of. They should do time for both acts, shooting and tasering.
At the very least they should all be on immediate suspension pending being fired for gross misconduct.
Every week there seems to be something the Met do, perhaps it should be disbanded completely and reassembled in smaller units that can be managed effectively, the Met obviously cannot and are not fit to 'protect' anyone.
So glad I am fortunate enough to live elsewhere.
The lady tripped on the dogs leads and picked her own dog up in a panic. No “attack” took place and the woman herself has said she would never have wanted the dogs to suffer such repercussions from an “accident”. If you want to talk about justification, how do you have a dog in a dog wardens chosen device designed to stop a dog from attacking he or she who holds it.. And “drop it”.. When the dog is in this device. They can’t attack.. Only when the device is intentionally and purposefully dropped can the dog be deemed out of control and what better way to assess a dog dangerously out of control than through an autopsy? Yeah that’s what I thought. Class traitors finding any excuse to pull out a gun a shoot something. Would be a shame to see the same class traitors tied up and shot too.. Not.. The “coppers” need to be found and named so the true vigilante justice can be delivered in equally painful but hopefully not as quick methods. Absolute scum of the earth.
You need to see the video leading up to this and the explanations/accusations surrounding it, from what I had seen the dogs were never a danger to others in the 1st video, and their reactions in the shooting were caused by the threat and overbearing of the officers vs the fear of an allegedly homeless man being threatened with having his family taken away from him, dogs were reacting to the threat posed by attackers and even then they were reserved compared to out of control animals,.... and believe me I been physically in the middle of many dog fights, with dogs as big and bigger... had only 1 officer approached and been reasonable and reassuring with the owner two dogs would of still been alive.
Before purchasing an animal please consider the reponsibilities and liabilities that come with owning an animal. None if this would be happening if the owner was a responsible owner.
Those dogs did exactly what any dog would do. I don’t believe the lies from that woman who says it her way sick to death of all the lying narcissists, creating problems for innocent people.
That guy and his dogs were in control he was protecting his dogs and tell him very clearly. He was not handing them over. There was no reason those please shut those dogs deliberately with intent murder.
It's the Met.nuff said. They don't like dogs or women. Glad this beautiful doggo is happy and healthy 🐶
These officers didn't have the justification to just go ahead and kill these dogs they only did so once they had separated the dogs from their owner and they where probably trying to protect their owner. Also a less lethal manner was available ie in a tranquilliser
undoubtedly the police and 'independent' investigators will find that they did no wrong. hopefully a dog charity will pursue a private prosecution.
… it’s not like there is a shortage of dogs .. 🤔🤔🤔
Floof! You are a delight to watch ❤
The met are more dangerous than any dog.
The dogs with frightened they should have been tasered not shot.
Thank you
Every dog should be on a lwad. If uour dog bites someone then the owner should be prosecuted as though they had done it. The dog is the responsibility of the owner!!!
Just imagine if the tables were turned, the lady lost control of one small dog and it attacked a larger breed, it happens. It's owner hits the small dog away and gets bitten in the process. He rings the police, are armed police going to show up and do the same to the the two small dogs and lady? I highly doubt it. I watched the video from the member of the public and it was disgraceful how all those officers handled that situation. Release their body cam footage and it'll be clear as day their incompetence.
Its owner ... (no apostrophe in the possessive pronoun!)
@@SpeccyMan idrc lol complain to google twas it's autocorrect
We don't know the situation of the dogs biting someone.... This was a homeless person, who may have been being threatened or put in danger, or the human may have harmed or threatened the dogs first..... Just because they are canine does not mean they should be banned from use of reasonable force to prevent harm to self or others. That's not a dangerous dog, that's a dog protecting their human, their dog friend, or themselves from animal abuse......
.......... We just don't know enough.
Also wtf is wrong with coppers using a mild dose of pepper spray to stop the dogs. Or using sonic devices to keep the dogs back. The decision to kill the dogs is not one for the police to make unless these dogs were an immediate threat to others, outside of protecting their human or themselves.
...... Did the police see a terrier or bull breed and jump to conclusions? If anyone approaches a dog or their human in a threatening manner, as the police may have done, the dogs would be in fight-flight-freeze-fawn, taking queues from their human.
....... Also two dogs playing looks vicious, but it's just play. Even guide dogs off their harnesses will play ferociously. This doesn't mean they're dangerous.
There are always ways around this without resorting to killing the dog unless it's literally about to go for an artery.
If humans can make friends with foxes to the point where foxes behave like domestic dogs with us, with as much affection and mutualism and trust in the relationship, then it would always be possible to find non lethal ways of handling dogs.... What about tranquillisers?!
Those dogs were family to that homeless person, and they were living being with complex emotions, complex language, hopes, dreams, desires, love, happiness....
Stop now before I start ranting.
At the end of the day people shouldn't own dogs if they can't keep complete control over them. Licenses need to be reinstated with training for the type of dog your going to own. There's a massive difference to owning a Yorkshire terrier to a American XL bully you shouldn't be able just to get any dog you want.
People shouldn't comment when they cannot differentiate between your and you're (as have you) but it happens!
@@SpeccyMan yes cause that really gets to the point. 😄
You've got yourself a cute little buddy there mate.
The Floof needs water! would go a long way to cooling her off! Love the Floof! You go girl!
She has a whole bowl of water after that 😁🐶
They did it because they know they can get away with it .
What they didn't count on was the whole thing being filmed .
In the states people go to prison for killing an animal. Animal cruelty is a serious crime on this side of the pond.
In the States plenty of people shoot first at humans - if you have such strong animal cruelty regulations perhaps need to review how people with guns treat other humans.
Even if the first one was out of control. The second one was still chained to the first and was for all intents and purposes controlled and immobilised where they had time to call animal control to contain it other ways.
intents and purposes
Choice A) let dog chew your leg off.
Choice B) protect yourself
Choice C) don't put yourself in that situation,
those dogs hadn't attacked anyone according to the husband of the woman involved, the police themselves said noone needed hospital treatment, and if two dogs that size mauled (their words) youd be going to hospital
Choice A is wrong. It should read: let the dog chew off your leg.
@@matthewdon9565 perhaps but at least one clearly went for an officer.
@@RyanLeishman It did, but that's not surprising given how aggressive the police were, I'll concede that shooting the first dog was justified in that moment, but I'd argue that was a situation the police caused. Many none aggressive dogs would've reacted in the same way.
End the state's monopoly on violence.
The dogs were stressed, confused and didn't know what was going on! It was way too far!
Of course it was appropriate, they felt scared and threatened. Strange that so many people join the police with this personality.
The first clue is they wanted to be policemen (psycho's)
The second clue is they wanted to join the ARMED police branch (psycho's)
The third clue is they wanted to 'take revenge' on the homeless man for causing them trouble, hence the tazer being used on him (Psycho's)
The fourth clue is they thought it was ok to just "off" the two dogs, as either revenge or just not wanting to bother with two dogs and make arrangements for them to be looked after.
(psycho's)
The fifth clue is going to be zero punishment for the two dog killers, who will be put back on duty and told they did a good job (for psycho's) They might even get medals for defending themselves and preventing possible tail wagging wounds.
These psycho's are the people they give power too, so as to control us. Who can then pretty much do as they like no matter what the law says, and when they get 'hurty feelings', they can shoot first and just walk away from any repercussions. Safe in the knowledge that they are protected by the establishment.
Who are just as much psycho's as these two dog murderers. They broke their own guidelines on handline dogs, they need to be punished accordingly. i.e. off the job.
They need the firing squad.
The police no longer work for the people, their new motto is “comply or die”!
Wat dis channel
Could you try that again in English?
@Nick B Has the esteemed aforementioned legal professional: with a more than a passing interest in martial arts; now procured a THIRD channel? Must be illegal ffs...
If a dog has already attacked someone had the police not done what they did and the dogs went on to attack someone else the police would be criticised for not taking action.
The fact that the owner had no control over the dogs means the police had to act fast, I would say they did the right thing and the owner should be prosecuted.
I would say the police were kustified in their action, in this instance, if the owner was able to control the dogs then the owner should have, the fact the the digs were not under control is a clear indication of the dogs being dangerously out of control.
Actually they hadn't attacked anyone according to the husband of the woman involved.
Flitsies - No attack by the dogs. Woman got tangled up in dog leads and fell over.
Why do some people believe the police without question?They lie. They promote a narrative that protects them.
NEVER trust the police.
NEVER talk to the police if possible.
ALWAYS film encounters with police with yourself or other people.
NEVER ID to the police if you don't have to.
And I repeat NEVER trust them Don't be gullible.😅
@@matthewdon9565 But maybe that was the report the police were working from, the owner of the dogs should have immediately put the dogs under control, and by the sound if things the owner dud not do that.
If anyone needs to take the blame for the death of these dogs it's the owner for failing in his/her duty of care.
The police did the right thing in those instance without a doubt.
We can't have dangerous dogs on the loose out of control and the owners need to take responsibility for the actions of their dogs.
I doubt the police would take action like this lightly, it's tragic and the owner needs to be orosecuted.
I fully support what the police did in this situation and as I said I'm sure they would not have killed the dogs unless they thought there was a real threat to either themselves or others 100% back their actions, and it needs to serve as a warning to other people who train dogs as weapons or neglect to keep a control over the animals they keep.
@@flitsies so what if they were told that? The dogs were on leads where the police were perusing them with guns drawn, it was only in the commotion that one dog got free and was shot, in that moment that shot was justified, however the lead up to that was completely unjustified, the police presents caused the situation. Have you watched the unedited videos!? Unfortunately I have, and the second clearly scared dog that never showed a single sign of aggression despite extremely provocative behaviour was shot as it was fleeing, several times, and that was after being released from a catch pole and while dragging the dead dog behind it. There is nothing in what is publicly available to suggest the owner was not in control until the police escalated the situation.
No it wasn’t
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