Another scenario where you can get your draw 1 from an engage activated with only 2 spells is with MST (dot TV!), if you destroy Engage at chain link 2 it resolves on chain link 1 counting itself (because it was destroyed and sent to grave before resolving)
Concerning the Engage-Play. I guess, if you got 2 Spells in Grave, then activate Engage and then chain MST targeting the Engage, you will also get the free draw, because Engage is destroyed and put in the GY before resolving.
@@ShrankTheFirst you can’t target cards that are marked for destruction with effects that would return them to the hand or deck. Using another card to get engage into grave before it resolves, like MST, is perfectly legal
@@holierthanu1 that's not quite true. You cannot return a Spell/Trap to the hand or the Deck, if it would not be face-up after resolving. It's got nothing to do with being destroyed.
So in regards to the Drytron non Beta vs Ghost belle ruling, would that also apply to a monster like Darkest Diabolos, whose has the special summon effect worded as such? “●If a DARK monster you control is Tributed (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card from your GY (if it was there when you Tributed) or hand (even if not).” Would Belle be able to stop it in hand due to the slightly different wording, or would it be applied just like the Drytrons where only if it would be specialled from the GY?
I hate when people try to stop my drytrons in hand with belle, i gave them the explanation and they still argue, specially on Duelingbook when waiting for a judge take so long or sometimes there is not judge at all, it so annoying People compare it with cards like psyfram gamma and others.
lmao ikr you can only Belle if by the resolution, the card you're activating could satisfy Belles conditions drytrons will stay in your hand no matter what (you have to start a new effect if they are somehow ripped out of your hand), so you can't Belle their hands effects
Putting belle vs drytron in hand is simple tombox, belle checks where did it activate as its checks to negate on activation,where as ash blossom negates the effect so it checks on resolution on the effect, its that simple tombox, there is hardly a simpler way to explain belle vs drytron in hand except gamma ofc
i dont get the difference between belle and drytron summon from hand why cant you activate sea archiver in grave when u activated parallel exceed on hand? you can only summon one of them and that is weird. would i be able to activate exceed in chain to sea? I dont think so? Man this is confusing
I contest your ruling for Ghost Belle vs. Drytron in hand. Belle is not checking where the card is activating from on resolution. It is checking whether the card includes the effect, as it specifically states it in its card text. You're countering on specifics where as the card mentions differentiations in its activation. It specifically words this interaction through it's text, it does not have to resolve their. It merely needs to include the ability to do so. Very few cards have this word written on it. It's including the possibility it can resolve from the graveyard, and that is all that matters. You mentioning ash as an argument was actually your fault, because these cards do not work differently like you believe. You mentioned this in your video, but you need to recheck yourself here. The knightmares mention their drawing as a then you can effect, meaning the resolution of the initial effect has gone through and the criteria is met. It is not an initial inclusion to their effect, as is noted by their PSCT. Belle specifically states includes in it's card text, meaning it checking for that style of wording in the card it is attempting to counter. Drytron monsters include this ability.
This isn't unheard of in how Ash Blossom can be applied as you stated. It's merely painting how powerful these hand traps can be, and it's only now that we are realizing how strong Belle actually is. Because realistically, there is no way to truly guarantee that specified copy of the drytron in hand will not end up in the graveyard through chain links. You have to look at the overall card pool of this game to make that overall claim. But Belle can stop the drytrons in hand, as I mentioned. There are ways to put the card in question into the graveyard, as their are ways to cheese ash blossom plays. And if you are dead set on it checking through resolution. Chain links can make this exact scenario happen.
And simply saying that no one utilizes these plays, does not change that they can happen. Which is the argument commonly used for ash vs shaddoll fusion. If theoretically, ash can negate fusion because an extra deck monsters might end up on the field, why can't Belle stop a drytron in hand given it can't end up in the gy during resolution?
What happens if you activate meltdown to search and they try to negate with like mechaba and you forbidden droplet the meltdown? Do you still get the search?
Hey Tombox great video, awesome to keep up with the rules! But i have a question: If a properly summoned ritual monster is in the graveyard and i add it back to hand, then discard it. Does it still count as properly summoned or does it lose the state because it was in my hand again?
@@Mark-bc1ej Not the same thing. The draw effect is optional and Ash doesn't care if you do or not but some cards like Prosperity prevent you from ever being allowed to draw. Since we already know the draw isn't allowed then we may assume Ash isn't allowed even if it is co-linked.
@@joepiazza3756 when the effect of a co-linked Knightmare is activated, Ash can be chained to it. It doesn't matter if you can actually draw cards at that point in time; the effect that was activated includes something Ash lists. Ash ain't picky.
@@VyaxUltima I dunno if that is 100% though. Because it's still listed if it wasn't co-linked but it doesn't allow ash because condition isn't met. Unable to draw may prevent it as well. Feel different judges would rule it differently unless already established.
@@joepiazza3756 there is already an established ruling for this, in Solemn Warning being able to chain to the Flute of Summoning Kuriboh even while Vanity's Emptiness is applying. Check the card database on ygorganization and you'll see it (can't link it because YT spam filters).
Ngl I’m still stuck on that last drytron one. Because the drytron a say that “you cannot special monsters that can be normal summoned or set the turn you activate this affect” why can’t special the veiler and then use the drytron to summon? Just abit confused here
The wording on the Drytron Lock means you can't perform the disallowed action at any point of the turn you use a Drytron summon effect, regardless of it happening before or after the Drytron summon. Usually, effects that cause a lock after they are performed use phrasing like "after this effect resolves" or "for the rest of this turn".
I also have a question: subterra Phoenix second effect versus there can only be one is it able to special summon a monster with the same type as in like the dragon of subterra guru or another another subterra monster the same type as itself but because it's face down will it actually count itself
I haven't watched this channel in a while, I come back and I aee them glasses. I think Tombox is looking kinda cue tho in the most respectful way possible
Cards don't only go to the grave at the end of the chain. If you Twin Twister as chain link 3 don't the cards targeted for destruction go to the grave as the chain resolves and not at the end of the chain? Your said cards would only go to the grave before that if it was a cost... I don't think that's correct.
hey tombox, can you make a video about advanced rulings for players new to competitive play that is relevant to tournament policy? thanks, love the vids!
can you do plunder patroll ruling when I use white beard effort on my opponents turn. to summon 1 from extra deck is that a proper summon. so can you revive it with monster reborn?
According to PSCT it's not cost, so due to that if you chain Raye and summon shizuku they must tribute from hand only, if they can't card resolves without effect. If I am incorrect lmk
@@MSTTV My bad he said cast, thought he meant to say cost. If activated the tribute is not cost for the spell, so on activation if you chain Raye to shizuku you are only allowed to do from hand or if Mu beta is there they can use that instead.
Hi Tom can you answer this :my opponent activates meteonis drytron while having only meteonis draconids in hand, a Natasha in gy and two drytron on field, while I have a zombie world, on activation I chain called by the grave, can my opponent summon meteonis draconids?
Are using it on Natasha? If so then they can't summon Draconids. Meteonis can only use machines as rituals material. If the 2 monsters were Mu Beta then yes it can because the xyz materials are still "machine"
@@MSTTV yeah was using it on natasha and the two drytrons on field where the main deck monsters. My opponent said that he could still use it since meteonis allows him to choose on resolution which ritual monster he wants to summon and that he can use the draconids as tribute to summon itself even though Natasha is no longer in the GY
If you do Heatleo eff target a set, chain the set and resolve - the set goes to GY. But with cosmic instead of Heatleo, it gets banished. How come in the first case the card doesn't get shuffled back, since Heatleo is activating to shuffle it?
@@VyaxUltima incorrect, if you cl1 any normal s/t cl2 Phoenix wing wind blast target that s/t, Phoenix wing resolves and put that s/t on top of the deck. The s/t didn't resolve yet, so it can get put back to the deck. You don't put it back only if the s/t already resolved.
@@quelqunx7470 "If this card is activated as Chain Link 2 or higher, by targeting a face-up Spell/Trap, a Spell/Trap that would be sent to the Graveyard after activation, such as Monster Reborn or Bottomless Trap Hole, cannot be targeted. Furthermore, you cannot target a card such as Scrap-Iron Scarecrow, even though it would not be sent to the Graveyard after activation." This is the fourth FAQ point for Phoenix Wing Wind Blast on the Japanese card database, translated into English.
So this is a weird question I have if I i'm playing my opponent goes chain-link one Tri-Brigade Revolt and then I go chain link two Shaddoll Schism and summon winda how does it resolve?
All 1 effect, stay where it activated, when it activates to summon you can Ash before the summon happens, if it summons out then you passed the opportunity to Ash
@@MSTTV Oh ok, so after it gets summoned the opportunity then gets missed to get ashed if they choose to do the search? Sorry if I'm wording weird . Just asking because in a video I was watching an alpha got ashed after it hit the field and the player took it back to hand. I was wondering why if it made there already. I also have a drytron player in locals and would like to know for future reference. Thank you!
ruling question: lets say there is an imperial order already face up on the field. mst is activated targeting the imperial order and forbidden droplet is activated as a chain 2 sending the mst as a cost. now on resolution the mst is not on the field, will it destroy the imperial order? or will the imperial order still negate the effect of mst?
@@kevinkim3817 even thow it spesificly says "Negate all Spell effects on the field." and not "spell cards activated on the field" or something like that.. ok got it, good to know!!
@@kos.katsaris difference between skill drain and imperial order is that drain specifically states the card must remain faceup on the field to be negated. MST activated on the field so even if it's now in the graveyard it was an effect on the field resolving which is all IO cares for. SD requires the card to stay faceup on the field to negate it as stated in it's newest errata. Now if IO had stated negate all face up spell effects on the field then MST would be able to destroy it in your scenario.
U can get ashed 100%, private knowledge cannot be assumed. Also if you chain a card that places dolphin back into the deck before ur connector resolves... U can summon from the deck.
@@georgezheretiy9716 No, the effect specifies deck or graveyard within the same sentence. It's like Gamma, Belle can be used against it as the effect to summon driver can be from the graveyard, even if Driver isn't there. My wording may be a bit wrong here but because Belle can negate any effect with the text of summoning from the graveyard, even if there is no valid target.
Hey bro so last night I had a problem with a ruling. I would like to confirm. So my opponent has 1 set card and a subterror guru on field. My turn I normal summon ecclesia activate effect. He chains amaze attraction horror house targeting his own guru. So I corrected him on his misplay saying the trap either targets 1 amazement monster on his field or 1 monster on my field. So he said since he targeted something incorrectly he can redo his play and set back his card. However, I said since the card was activated and it has an applicable target on the field(which is dogmatika ecclesia) that the trap will resolve targeting the ecclesia and putting her face down. Can u just tell me what plays out in this scenario? Since the admin ruled that it wud be an illegal activate since he attempted to target guru which is an illegal target. My argument is that he activated the card and there is an applicable target on field.
If the card was activated, and there is a valid target then, he must resolve it with the correct target. You should've said, The activation was NOT illegal as there is still a valid target on the field my ecclessia. Since he declared the activation, he must resolve the chain.
@@MSTTV are u sure as I asked in judges lounge and they say it will be replayed since he targeted an illegal card. Can u do some investigation into this? I'd really appreciate it if u provide some type of proof. The way I learned yugioh if u play a card n it can resolve then it must
@@blueboixo don't think so, if you flip and activated a card, and there are 1 valid target, you target the valid card, and you must resolve it. Only in the case there is no valid target you would revert the game state. The activation was not illegal. You don't get to revert a game state just because someone made a misplay. Otherwise people will constantly do take backs like someone trying to use compulsory evac device target a monster that isn't targetable... Then tries to set it back down while controlling a monster on his own side now he's forced to bounce his own monster there is no reverting game state for not legal games states.
I really recommend playtesting a deck on an automated simulator because you can catch these illegal plays. Yugioh just has so many intricacies and you can't notice every single detail when on db or in person. However when you play on an automated simulator, and you attempt an illegal play, it just won't let you. It has a few more advantages too, for example the meteronis vs Shizuku interaction is obvious in an automated simulator since the current atk points of monsters are shown. Or another example, if your opponent attempts to mechaba negate your golden Lord's summon eff in gy, did you know you could belle to negate mechaba? You might never realise if you play irl, but on an automated simulator, you're literally asked if you wanna belle. If you think that there's a wrong ruling, you can always ask in the discord servers. Regardless, the simulator is probably more "knowledgeable" than most yugioh players so it's a good place to learn.
If you activate a drytron on the hand and I twin twisters throw it in grave.. that drytron will no longer summon because it activates in hand it must summon from hand. Just ask yourself this: on resolution is it still possible to resolve after cards have been moved around even in a hypothetical sense?
The ruling on Paying LP to die was cool for me. I once had a duel and swore to my freind that I could use Sasuke Samurai #2 to kill myself since I had the exact amount left. He wasn't so sure at first. But even if he didn't change his mind later, I know for sure now.
That's incorrect you can't ash shaddoll fusion under meltdown because meltdown says you can't respond to the activations or effects that would fusion summon
@@Videoman007100 You can Ash. Meltdown only protects against effects that would negate the activation of a fusion spell/eff to fuse. Ash doesn't negate the activation, only the effect.
@@Videoman007100 It doesn't say ypu can't respond to the fusion spell, only that the activation and effect cannot be negated. Pretty sure you can Ash Shaddoll Fusion and Belle Schism under Meltdown and neither will do anything
@@georgezheretiy9716 meltdown protects cards activations and effects ACTIVATIONS that include fusion summon, ash can negate shaddoll fusion with no problem
You can't Shark Cannon the Herald of Ultimateness even if it was properly ritual summoned first. It says that it can only be ritual summoned. Love the video though, keep up the great work!
As a newer judge, I love listening to these.
good luck with being a judge
good luck on the journey! I expect some favorable calls!!!! jk jk good luck and I hope it goes amazingly! :)
Good luck mate hope the journey of being a judge is m a good one
4:13 I had a guy verte anaconda himself to death because he wasn’t keeping track lmao
In here preparing for the YCS matchup against Drytron
Don't forget to banish your spells after multirolling them dear striker players
Another scenario where you can get your draw 1 from an engage activated with only 2 spells is with MST (dot TV!), if you destroy Engage at chain link 2 it resolves on chain link 1 counting itself (because it was destroyed and sent to grave before resolving)
Yes. If the engage gets send during the resolution by another card effect it also counts.
Concerning the Engage-Play.
I guess, if you got 2 Spells in Grave, then activate Engage and then chain MST targeting the Engage, you will also get the free draw, because Engage is destroyed and put in the GY before resolving.
Since it checks in resolution, yes, it should.
@@ShrankTheFirst you can’t target cards that are marked for destruction with effects that would return them to the hand or deck. Using another card to get engage into grave before it resolves, like MST, is perfectly legal
@@holierthanu1 that's not quite true.
You cannot return a Spell/Trap to the hand or the Deck, if it would not be face-up after resolving. It's got nothing to do with being destroyed.
@@VyaxUltima exactly
Same reason why a Penguin Soldier flipped by battle can't target itself as a bounce target if it would be destroyed by that battle, right?
So in regards to the Drytron non Beta vs Ghost belle ruling, would that also apply to a monster like Darkest Diabolos, whose has the special summon effect worded as such?
“●If a DARK monster you control is Tributed (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card from your GY (if it was there when you Tributed) or hand (even if not).”
Would Belle be able to stop it in hand due to the slightly different wording, or would it be applied just like the Drytrons where only if it would be specialled from the GY?
I wish you would have included Ash vs Triple Tactics… I explained it to the person for like 15 minutes and they still didn’t get it.
What is there not to understand?
@@christianwoyou6631 people think you can ash the other 2 non-draw effects.
@@DRok09 Ok, this is weird
You can only ash if they choose to draw but not the other effects. MTS TV made a video about this not long ago you should try and look for it
He's made videos on this before
I hate when people try to stop my drytrons in hand with belle, i gave them the explanation and they still argue, specially on Duelingbook when waiting for a judge take so long or sometimes there is not judge at all, it so annoying People compare it with cards like psyfram gamma and others.
lmao ikr
you can only Belle if by the resolution, the card you're activating could satisfy Belles conditions
drytrons will stay in your hand no matter what (you have to start a new effect if they are somehow ripped out of your hand), so you can't Belle their hands effects
@@davidzhou2161 i know, im complaining about the people that dont understand
Putting belle vs drytron in hand is simple tombox, belle checks where did it activate as its checks to negate on activation,where as ash blossom negates the effect so it checks on resolution on the effect, its that simple tombox, there is hardly a simpler way to explain belle vs drytron in hand except gamma ofc
Dude can you activate the effects of the drytron monsters if droll's effect is still on turn? I mean the cost to summon itself but no search or draw
Yes it's optional to search
@@domnik908 thx I shouldn't lose that match so :(
i dont get the difference between belle and drytron summon from hand
why cant you activate sea archiver in grave when u activated parallel exceed on hand?
you can only summon one of them and that is weird.
would i be able to activate exceed in chain to sea? I dont think so? Man this is confusing
I contest your ruling for Ghost Belle vs. Drytron in hand. Belle is not checking where the card is activating from on resolution. It is checking whether the card includes the effect, as it specifically states it in its card text.
You're countering on specifics where as the card mentions differentiations in its activation. It specifically words this interaction through it's text, it does not have to resolve their. It merely needs to include the ability to do so. Very few cards have this word written on it.
It's including the possibility it can resolve from the graveyard, and that is all that matters. You mentioning ash as an argument was actually your fault, because these cards do not work differently like you believe. You mentioned this in your video, but you need to recheck yourself here. The knightmares mention their drawing as a then you can effect, meaning the resolution of the initial effect has gone through and the criteria is met. It is not an initial inclusion to their effect, as is noted by their PSCT.
Belle specifically states includes in it's card text, meaning it checking for that style of wording in the card it is attempting to counter. Drytron monsters include this ability.
This isn't unheard of in how Ash Blossom can be applied as you stated. It's merely painting how powerful these hand traps can be, and it's only now that we are realizing how strong Belle actually is. Because realistically, there is no way to truly guarantee that specified copy of the drytron in hand will not end up in the graveyard through chain links.
You have to look at the overall card pool of this game to make that overall claim. But Belle can stop the drytrons in hand, as I mentioned. There are ways to put the card in question into the graveyard, as their are ways to cheese ash blossom plays. And if you are dead set on it checking through resolution. Chain links can make this exact scenario happen.
And simply saying that no one utilizes these plays, does not change that they can happen. Which is the argument commonly used for ash vs shaddoll fusion. If theoretically, ash can negate fusion because an extra deck monsters might end up on the field, why can't Belle stop a drytron in hand given it can't end up in the gy during resolution?
What happens if you activate meltdown to search and they try to negate with like mechaba and you forbidden droplet the meltdown? Do you still get the search?
please keep making rulings videos it's very helpful to me and other players.
Is it possible to special summon other non-Drytron monsters before summoning Drytron monsters? Tnx
Hey Tombox great video, awesome to keep up with the rules!
But i have a question: If a properly summoned ritual monster is in the graveyard and i add it back to hand, then discard it. Does it still count as properly summoned or does it lose the state because it was in my hand again?
No it is no longer properly summoned as it has gone to a private knowledge area. And no confirming if it was the same card.
@@MSTTV ah ok got it. Thank you my guy 👍🏼
What about Ash vs a Co-linked Knightmare after Pot of Prosperity was used?
7:24
@@Mark-bc1ej Not the same thing. The draw effect is optional and Ash doesn't care if you do or not but some cards like Prosperity prevent you from ever being allowed to draw. Since we already know the draw isn't allowed then we may assume Ash isn't allowed even if it is co-linked.
@@joepiazza3756 when the effect of a co-linked Knightmare is activated, Ash can be chained to it. It doesn't matter if you can actually draw cards at that point in time; the effect that was activated includes something Ash lists.
Ash ain't picky.
@@VyaxUltima I dunno if that is 100% though. Because it's still listed if it wasn't co-linked but it doesn't allow ash because condition isn't met. Unable to draw may prevent it as well. Feel different judges would rule it differently unless already established.
@@joepiazza3756 there is already an established ruling for this, in Solemn Warning being able to chain to the Flute of Summoning Kuriboh even while Vanity's Emptiness is applying. Check the card database on ygorganization and you'll see it (can't link it because YT spam filters).
Ngl I’m still stuck on that last drytron one. Because the drytron a say that “you cannot special monsters that can be normal summoned or set the turn you activate this affect” why can’t special the veiler and then use the drytron to summon? Just abit confused here
The wording on the Drytron Lock means you can't perform the disallowed action at any point of the turn you use a Drytron summon effect, regardless of it happening before or after the Drytron summon. Usually, effects that cause a lock after they are performed use phrasing like "after this effect resolves" or "for the rest of this turn".
I also have a question: subterra Phoenix second effect versus there can only be one is it able to special summon a monster with the same type as in like the dragon of subterra guru or another another subterra monster the same type as itself but because it's face down will it actually count itself
you can summon with fiendess face down under TCBoO
I haven't watched this channel in a while, I come back and I aee them glasses. I think Tombox is looking kinda cue tho in the most respectful way possible
Cards don't only go to the grave at the end of the chain. If you Twin Twister as chain link 3 don't the cards targeted for destruction go to the grave as the chain resolves and not at the end of the chain? Your said cards would only go to the grave before that if it was a cost... I don't think that's correct.
hey tombox, can you make a video about advanced rulings for players new to competitive play that is relevant to tournament policy? thanks, love the vids!
just a friendly reminder that this is a children's card game (I'd love to meet a kid who could spit out this info as easy as tombox, irl Yugi Muto?)
can you do plunder patroll ruling when I use white beard effort on my opponents turn. to summon 1 from extra deck is that a proper summon. so can you revive it with monster reborn?
No, that would not count as a proper summon and that monster could not be brought back with Monster Reborn or Booty
What if a knightmare wasn't co linked when activated but it gets co linked before the resolution (call of the haunted type effect)
Has to be co-linked on activation, they all say that
If I chain super poly to a monster eff will their monster still resolve after I super poly it or do I need to be the one to use super poly first?
Super Poly doesn't negate anything.
Wait so can Nadir Servant can still be Belle'd if you there is no Dogmatika in the graveyeard?
Yes, same as being able to use Ghost Belle on Psy-Framegear Gamma; theres no way to tell if a Dogmatika card will be in the grave upon resolution.
Yes
@@MSTTVsame is with Eldlixer of Scarlet Sanguine?
@@lz9275 Yes
Question: If I have an Eva as an XYZ Material under Mu-Beta (desperation play) and Mu-Beta goes to the grave, does Eva trigger?
Yes
Does Meteonis check Attack Points on resolution or cast? Like if I Chain Raye and bring out Shizuku will effectively stop the spell?
According to PSCT it's not cost, so due to that if you chain Raye and summon shizuku they must tribute from hand only, if they can't card resolves without effect. If I am incorrect lmk
Meteonis check on send, if they don't have the right numbers ... Well they have to send else where or not resolve.
@@MSTTV My bad he said cast, thought he meant to say cost. If activated the tribute is not cost for the spell, so on activation if you chain Raye to shizuku you are only allowed to do from hand or if Mu beta is there they can use that instead.
Hi Tom can you answer this :my opponent activates meteonis drytron while having only meteonis draconids in hand, a Natasha in gy and two drytron on field, while I have a zombie world, on activation I chain called by the grave, can my opponent summon meteonis draconids?
Are using it on Natasha? If so then they can't summon Draconids. Meteonis can only use machines as rituals material.
If the 2 monsters were Mu Beta then yes it can because the xyz materials are still "machine"
@@MSTTV yeah was using it on natasha and the two drytrons on field where the main deck monsters. My opponent said that he could still use it since meteonis allows him to choose on resolution which ritual monster he wants to summon and that he can use the draconids as tribute to summon itself even though Natasha is no longer in the GY
Can you use a mid resolving normal spell card as cost for droplets??
Lets say you activate engage then chain droplets, can you use the engage as cost?
@@juantroisi6276 Yes, you can.
How can lyna charmer summon drytron from Grave, when drytron states it "must" be special sqqummoned by a 'Drytron' card, doesn't state 'must first be'
She can’t
Oh definitely.^^
(Relating to the beginning of the video)
If you do Heatleo eff target a set, chain the set and resolve - the set goes to GY. But with cosmic instead of Heatleo, it gets banished. How come in the first case the card doesn't get shuffled back, since Heatleo is activating to shuffle it?
You cannot return face-up Spell/Traps to the hand or Deck, if they would not remain face-up on the field after they resolve.
@@VyaxUltima incorrect, if you cl1 any normal s/t cl2 Phoenix wing wind blast target that s/t, Phoenix wing resolves and put that s/t on top of the deck. The s/t didn't resolve yet, so it can get put back to the deck.
You don't put it back only if the s/t already resolved.
@@quelqunx7470 "If this card is activated as Chain Link 2 or higher, by targeting a face-up Spell/Trap, a Spell/Trap that would be sent to the Graveyard after activation, such as Monster Reborn or Bottomless Trap Hole, cannot be targeted. Furthermore, you cannot target a card such as Scrap-Iron Scarecrow, even though it would not be sent to the Graveyard after activation."
This is the fourth FAQ point for Phoenix Wing Wind Blast on the Japanese card database, translated into English.
Appeal to supreme court lmao
So this is a weird question I have if I i'm playing my opponent goes chain-link one Tri-Brigade Revolt and then I go chain link two Shaddoll Schism and summon winda how does it resolve?
Revolt cannot summon anything
@@11wildy63 Wouldn't it try to resolve as much as possible? Since the monsters are summoned first, "then, immediately link summon"?
@@georgezheretiy9716 It's a "Konami said so" ruling.
@@FGj-xj7rd lmaoo I HATE those, thanks for clarification
There's a video recently that covered this exact ruling, revolt doesn't summon anything. It's either by tombox or distantcoder
What about a drytron getting ashed? Like Zeta would it go back to hand since negated or would it stay on the field?
All 1 effect, stay where it activated, when it activates to summon you can Ash before the summon happens, if it summons out then you passed the opportunity to Ash
@@MSTTV Oh ok, so after it gets summoned the opportunity then gets missed to get ashed if they choose to do the search? Sorry if I'm wording weird . Just asking because in a video I was watching an alpha got ashed after it hit the field and the player took it back to hand. I was wondering why if it made there already. I also have a drytron player in locals and would like to know for future reference. Thank you!
@@pyro2742 it's because it never hit the field. One guy revealed to activate the other guy chooses to Ash.
@@MSTTV ok thank you! It's because it has the "then you can" for the search that got me.
If i were to tribute benten for a drytron like zeta. Would both effects activate at the same time?
The trigger effect of Benten starts in a new chain.
No. Benten is a new chain as benten is a trigger effect, they do not stack in the same chain
can you activate Belle on the activation of Invocation if there's no Allister in grave?
yes
lyna cant even ss drytrons. drytron monsters can only be ss by drytron cards
Question can you summon Relinquish using Meteonis Drytron?
No, due to pebble rule
Orange sleeves!? Take my money 😵
ruling question:
lets say there is an imperial order already face up on the field. mst is activated targeting the imperial order and forbidden droplet is activated as a chain 2 sending the mst as a cost. now on resolution the mst is not on the field, will it destroy the imperial order? or will the imperial order still negate the effect of mst?
MST is still negated. IO doesn't work like Skill Drain
@@kevinkim3817 even thow it spesificly says "Negate all Spell effects on the field." and not "spell cards activated on the field" or something like that.. ok got it, good to know!!
@@kos.katsaris difference between skill drain and imperial order is that drain specifically states the card must remain faceup on the field to be negated. MST activated on the field so even if it's now in the graveyard it was an effect on the field resolving which is all IO cares for. SD requires the card to stay faceup on the field to negate it as stated in it's newest errata. Now if IO had stated negate all face up spell effects on the field then MST would be able to destroy it in your scenario.
Tell me why I never factored in shizuku vs meteonis 😂 I cant believe I forgot this and this would have made a huge difference in my past games
Then I cant be Ashed on my Neo Space Connector if I only play 1 Dolphin and I have it in hand?
U can get ashed 100%, private knowledge cannot be assumed. Also if you chain a card that places dolphin back into the deck before ur connector resolves... U can summon from the deck.
See no guarantee.
@@MSTTV ok, now I get it, thanks
For the Ghost Belle vs Drytron, you can actually Ghost Belle Gamma at least ahah
Existential yugioh on the field striking the sky.
can u explain nadir servant and ash if i choose to go from grave or if i go from deck with ghost belle
Since you have the possibility to add from deck/grave, both Ash and Belle can be used.
@@FGj-xj7rd It can definitely be Ashed always, but couldn't it only be Belled if u have a valid target in the GY?
@@georgezheretiy9716 Someone will explain this better to you, but Ash and Belle always check the possible resolutions.
@@georgezheretiy9716 No, the effect specifies deck or graveyard within the same sentence. It's like Gamma, Belle can be used against it as the effect to summon driver can be from the graveyard, even if Driver isn't there. My wording may be a bit wrong here but because Belle can negate any effect with the text of summoning from the graveyard, even if there is no valid target.
Yeah you guys are right, thank you
Hey bro so last night I had a problem with a ruling. I would like to confirm. So my opponent has 1 set card and a subterror guru on field. My turn I normal summon ecclesia activate effect. He chains amaze attraction horror house targeting his own guru. So I corrected him on his misplay saying the trap either targets 1 amazement monster on his field or 1 monster on my field. So he said since he targeted something incorrectly he can redo his play and set back his card. However, I said since the card was activated and it has an applicable target on the field(which is dogmatika ecclesia) that the trap will resolve targeting the ecclesia and putting her face down. Can u just tell me what plays out in this scenario? Since the admin ruled that it wud be an illegal activate since he attempted to target guru which is an illegal target. My argument is that he activated the card and there is an applicable target on field.
If the card was activated, and there is a valid target then, he must resolve it with the correct target. You should've said, The activation was NOT illegal as there is still a valid target on the field my ecclessia. Since he declared the activation, he must resolve the chain.
He simply cannot just say the target was illegal therefore the whole thing is illegal.
@@MSTTV are u sure as I asked in judges lounge and they say it will be replayed since he targeted an illegal card. Can u do some investigation into this? I'd really appreciate it if u provide some type of proof. The way I learned yugioh if u play a card n it can resolve then it must
@@MSTTV sorry man, you're wrong on this one 🤷♀️
@@blueboixo don't think so, if you flip and activated a card, and there are 1 valid target, you target the valid card, and you must resolve it. Only in the case there is no valid target you would revert the game state.
The activation was not illegal.
You don't get to revert a game state just because someone made a misplay.
Otherwise people will constantly do take backs like someone trying to use compulsory evac device target a monster that isn't targetable... Then tries to set it back down while controlling a monster on his own side now he's forced to bounce his own monster there is no reverting game state for not legal games states.
I really recommend playtesting a deck on an automated simulator because you can catch these illegal plays. Yugioh just has so many intricacies and you can't notice every single detail when on db or in person. However when you play on an automated simulator, and you attempt an illegal play, it just won't let you.
It has a few more advantages too, for example the meteronis vs Shizuku interaction is obvious in an automated simulator since the current atk points of monsters are shown. Or another example, if your opponent attempts to mechaba negate your golden Lord's summon eff in gy, did you know you could belle to negate mechaba? You might never realise if you play irl, but on an automated simulator, you're literally asked if you wanna belle.
If you think that there's a wrong ruling, you can always ask in the discord servers. Regardless, the simulator is probably more "knowledgeable" than most yugioh players so it's a good place to learn.
Isn't the drytron vs belle ruling the same as psy-frame gama vs belle?
No. Because if you chain twin twisters and throw driver into grave . Your gamma is now on resolution summoning from grave.
If you activate a drytron on the hand and I twin twisters throw it in grave.. that drytron will no longer summon because it activates in hand it must summon from hand.
Just ask yourself this: on resolution is it still possible to resolve after cards have been moved around even in a hypothetical sense?
Lost to a drytron player today. Don't know much about the deck. I'm here for the info to stop this deck. Peace and blessing to you..
The ruling on Paying LP to die was cool for me. I once had a duel and swore to my freind that I could use Sasuke Samurai #2 to kill myself since I had the exact amount left.
He wasn't so sure at first. But even if he didn't change his mind later, I know for sure now.
Can you ghost belle the Meteonis Drytron ritual spell card ?
Yes
@@MSTTV thanks man
If my opponent plays a fusion or ritual spell and they can summon, can they refuse to summon if it would hurt themselves?
No they can't refuse to summon. Once they activate a card effect and they can resolve it, they must resolve it.
That's cheating
Can I ask a judge to confirm if they have materials, or do I have to their word for it?
@@Twilight_Tasogare608 call judge
@@KingRYTnT No you cannot call a judge to verify information that is not public knowledge
I won because he forgot he used order because he had exactly 700 funny that that’s was the question
You can always Ash Shaddoll Fusion under Meltdown.
But you can never Belle Schism under Meltdown.
I love Meltdown.
You can belle, but wont do anything
That's incorrect you can't ash shaddoll fusion under meltdown because meltdown says you can't respond to the activations or effects that would fusion summon
@@Videoman007100 You can Ash.
Meltdown only protects against effects that would negate the activation of a fusion spell/eff to fuse.
Ash doesn't negate the activation, only the effect.
@@Videoman007100 It doesn't say ypu can't respond to the fusion spell, only that the activation and effect cannot be negated. Pretty sure you can Ash Shaddoll Fusion and Belle Schism under Meltdown and neither will do anything
@@georgezheretiy9716 meltdown protects cards activations and effects ACTIVATIONS that include fusion summon, ash can negate shaddoll fusion with no problem
Do you have any vids on guru control?
Wow first one was pretty useful
Tom box is short for Tomothy Boxigar.
I knew about IO because I play Unending Nightmare and have killed myself this way
This game is fuckin stupid confusing. How dare they market this to kids
Its funny how you always look like the drunken fist konfu master 😆
I never lose games bro😎
Children’s game by the way .
You can't Shark Cannon the Herald of Ultimateness even if it was properly ritual summoned first. It says that it can only be ritual summoned. Love the video though, keep up the great work!
Yes that is the Nomi, but mu beta, Draconids, benten. All can be stolen.
@@MSTTV Just wanted to point out Ultimateness since you mentioned it in the Shark Cannon example. Wouldn't want people to miss that line of text.
I mean u technically can shark cannon herald .. just banish no summon
@@MSTTV You are very right on that one. I should've been more specific.