Hatfield SAS 410 (walmart)full review plus testing Apex /federal TSS(9.5)Carlson turkey choke(38031)
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- In this video we give a full review of the Hatfield SAS(semi auto shotgun) 410 which is $226 at Walmart. We also test a couple of Apex TSS turkey loads with the factory full choke and a Carlson xtra full turkey choke.
UPDATE!! In the video I talked about the crack in the fore-end and it having some back and forth slack in it. I called Hatfield and they asked me to email them pictures of the crack. I sent them pictures and they shipped me out a brand new fore-end and had it in less than a week. I installed the new one and it’s perfect, no slack and no cracks. Great customer service on their part.
Thanks for the review I might pick one of these up in a 12 gauge model in a few weeks.
I bought a Hatfield. 410 a few days ago 1-2024. It jammed on the first shot. The shell would eject but the carrier wouldn't let the next shell enter the barrel because the bolt would get hung up on the carrier. I took it apart and slid my fingernail along the carrier and it would hang up in the same spot the bolt would stop at. I polished that high spot and rough edges down until it was smooth and the gun works fine. My only regret was not doing a little research on the .410 shell availability and the price. I haven't owned a .410 in years and was shocked at the price if you can get them at all. Hatfield should think about changing people in their quality control department with people that actually know what they are doing.
Exact same thing I did as well. Runs fine now with both 2.5” and 3” ammo. Yes 410 ammo has increased in price significantly and is harder to find or has been at least for a while. Luckily I stocked up few years back and am good for a while on that
Thanks for the video. I own a Hatfield SAS 12 guage that works great after breaking it in and purchased a 410 SAS but since ammo is so hard to find I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.
I know the feeling. I searched online and locally for weeks before I finally found a few extra boxes of 410. It’s very scarce right now
@@bcoutdoorsmedia still scarce in chain stores.. I want a 410 SAS as my dads old old over under single shots 22/410 is not enough for rabbit or chuck removal... i will wait until I can stockpile over 1000 rounds from rifled slug down to No. 3 shot. THEN I shall buy one... Till then, I had better hope my old eyes and gun can shoot straight to protect the garden.
Yousurf I haven’t been seeing very much at all on the shelves in our area either. I see it online from time to time but not in stores very often. I managed to grab couple hundred right when everything was first getting started and I just got the kids a couple of 20 gauges so hopefully what I have will last until a sunnier day. Thanks for watching!
@@bcoutdoorsmedia funny, I found one 5 pk box of rifled slug 410 at WMT last week. premium vs. 12 or 20 ga slug.... it was $8 !!!!!
Just got mine today. Looked at my Hand Stock it`s NOT cracked and the big nut tightens down enough that my Hand Stock is with no play.
The one thing that I have found so far is that my Choke Wrench will not take out the Choke the Factory put in it.
My slide is stiff doesn`t want to cycle by hand very good at all just got mine today haven`t shot it yet shells are to expensive to waist to break in . Enjoyed it
Something that I did to mine that corrects the roughness and cycling problems is I took a fine dremel stone wheel and smoothed every edge of all of the internal action parts that rub together. Made sure there are no metal burrs anywhere inside and it corrected mine completely. It cycles 2 1/2 “ and 3” shells perfect now. I also contacted Hatfield and sent them photo of the crack in mine and since it was new and within the 1 year warranty, they sent me another forend free of charge and now it tightens perfect and there is no looseness in it. Mine choke wrench wouldn’t take the choke out either. I used another choke wrench or a dime or something can’t remember which. Definitely recommend smoothing all the metal parts in the action. You will be glad you did
I also just bought one of these for my wife to use on turkey, rabbit and squirrels! Great video!
The head of the plug is keeping the magazine nut from tightening the forearm down to keep it from not moving
With a .410 sometimes a tight choke causes the shot pellets to flaten as they come out of the barrel and scatter the pattern. I shot doves for thirty years with a modified choke Winchester Model 42 and Sporting Clays with the same gun. I still have a thousand burned up .410 huls that have been shot out.
That makes a lot of sense
I just left a comment on another video site, I called Hatfield and they told me they redid the 410sas u have the older version I got the new version and it fire's and cycles fine, and it's easier to disassemble, thought I would let u all know ty for your videos.
That’s awesome! It definitely did need some work. Mine is working fine now but I am glad they changed to a newer improved version
I have that exact gun and I have had nothing but issues with it. It's a cheap gun for sure, after about 4 shots the gun jammed, took it home and there were metal shaving everywhere, the action was all marred up from the internal parts having burrs all over them. I had to grind everything smooth and it still hangs up like yours when loading a new shell. But at least there aren't any metal shaving anymore and it will keep shooting if you don't mind it jamming every shot.
That sucks that it didn’t fix yours, mine has been doing just fine since. It’s definitely a rough one and it seems this mainly an issue with the 410 only. Most other haulage I have seen in this gun don’t hang up like the 410 which I find to be intersting
When I was a kid, in 410 you had the choice of chokes, full and full! LOL
My understanding, the tss choke tube is specifically for testing ammo
Yea me too. I had a New England 410 with full choke and it was heavy as heck. Still have it to this day. Way to heavy for the kids really. I did some hand loads of tss and was able to replicate the results from this factory ammo so I may turkey hunt with 410 or 28 gauge from this day forward.
Yes that is a longer choke you might get a better pattern than the factory one. The longer the choke the better the patern
It's not all about how tight a choke is it also matters what the bore size is in conjunction with the choke as well as the chamber fitment wich can vary depending on the brand of shells , it's more complex than just the choke size
Just FYI, sometimes tighter chokes mess up you groups. If you watch some of the Shotgun patterning videos they talk about it. I am no expert but I guess it "over compresses" the shot. Also, I have 1-12ga and 1-20ga Turkey hunting shotguns. I shot at least 8 different Turkey loads through each gun to see which patterned best out of my guns. My Dad and my Brother both shoot Longbeard ammo with dead on accuracy, but neither of my gun/choke combos like it.
Yes I would say that probably what happened here with the full choke. Especially with the hardness of the tss shot.
@@bcoutdoorsmedia one of the funnest times I have had was when my Daughter wanted to go Turkey hunting. I got to go shoot two different shotguns to sight in the red dot optics and then I shot every brand of Turkey loads I could find for 12ga and 20ga. at 20-30-40 yards. I still have a stack of Turkey head targets with all the info written on them in the garage. I learned a lot about my guns and scratched my head a few times when ammo didn't perform the way I wanted it to.
I think you will find that the range you plan to shoot will have a big affect on what ammo you buy. The cheapest ammo in both 12ga and 20ga shot almost the same as the Really expensive ammo. Out at 40 yards and beyond(I shot a few times at 50yds after I narrowed it to 3 types of ammo) is where the expensive ammo started to show its value.
In the end we could have both used the cheap stuff, my shot was 10yds and hers was 25yds.
Make sure you check the eye dominance on the lil' guy, he looks like he trying to use his left eye, while holding righty.
Yea I thought that too. He has came a long way since this and has improved greatly on being dominant on his right eye.
If it's like my Tri Star they recommend shooting a couple of boxes of 3" shells through them to break them in, and boy do they chuck those 3" Shells out.
Yea I think they do actually. I’ve ran a box or so through maybe and smoothed the internals up and it sling 3” and 2.5” great now
Hope you get a mic, you are a soft speaker. Had to use the CC to know what you were saying. Like the breakdown demo of the SG; including showing the "flaws" of a cheap but still worth buying Wally World special. Nice demo. 👍
I have actually since this video figured out how to enhance audio. While editing , so hopefully that won’t be a problem anymore in future videos.
@@bcoutdoorsmedia good to know as I did subscribe to your channel despite that issue! Thx you!
Thanks for the sub!!
What a great price. I bet it would cost 3 times that price in the UK if it was over here. Ya'll are so lucky with prices out there.
We do get lucky on the price side of things but may come out somewhere similar on cost of living but i dont know to be honest. But yea was super cheap little shotgun. Has proven to be a great little fun for my kiddos
I love this vid
Thanks for watching Jeziel!!
I absolutely like the semei auto 410 shots gun rather than the 12 ga👍
I’m pretty fond of them as well. Just something about em!
Great vid
Will be doing the dremal work.
Have to say why do buyer think that they wouldn’t have to put some time in getting the gun operating to where they want it?
For the price and a little time I don’t think it’s a bad deal.
Question can this
shotgun fire a
.45 long colt?
Or is it not recommended.
Again thanks for the info
God bless
Yea it hasn’t been a bad deal at all for me. Minimal time on my part to get it function flawless up to this point. I would say it would probably fire 45 colt but probably not recommended and don’t know if it would cycle or not either. Thanks for watching!
I saw a Hatfield SAS 410 at walmart today for $236. I heard another guy doing a SAS 12ga review say that most people complained about it not cycling properly because they didn't read the instructions carefully. He says they're supposed to tighten the forend nut till snug then back it off 1/2 turn. In his vid his SAS worked flawlessly. Dunno if it's true since i don't have one. The only semi's i own are my old Remington model 11 and 11-48. They work fine as long as i keep the spring recoil syst lubricated. Might try lightly lubricating inside of your receiver and backing off that forend nut 1/4 to 1/2 turn. Btw is that forend nut plastic?..looks kinda plastic.... Post a vid if that helps because i'm thinking might go back for that SAS 410 since price is right.
I believe it to be aluminum cap but can’t swear to that. Will double check at home though. I sprayed ballistol all inside it last night and am letting it sit. I think it will work it’s self out either with lubricant or just some break in. I definitely recommend the shotgun even with the cycling if you need a 410 for anything. I think my kiddos will definitely smoke a turkey with it this season. For the price it’s hard to beat. My fore-end has the crack in it, I called Hatfield and they had me email them pictures and I have a new fore-end already in the mail. Great customer service!
My 12 sas works flawlessly.
Hey buddy, awesome review. what thread manufacturer did you use to fit the Hatfield?
Nevermind, just saw it in the title! thank you sir!
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
why should i have to repair there shotgun that was sold to me as a brand new shotgun in working condition?
You shouldn’t. You get what you pay for. But it is fixable if someone wants to
I think some wd 40 would help gun immensly!!!! Just pull bolt back and soak it good. All the small parts get a shot too and use a screw driver to move metal flap on bottom so it doesnt slice your fingers. Think hatfield says shoot a case of magnums out of all. Heck with that find the sticky spots and lube or totally clean it first.
I’ll definitely give that shot! Thanks
Hey mine is getting stuck and not cycling correctly. Have you figured anything out to fix this issue?
I took a dremel tool with a stone bit and smoothed every edge inside I possibly could and it helped when cycling by hand but haven’t fired it yet to verify
What kind of choke tubes does it take
@@brycelong1225 it uses the beretta benelli thread chokes
Took apart sanded many parts checked to see where binding fine polished and reoiled works now
FALLING A SLEEP WITH THIS PRESENTATION 😴. SO BORING.
I have one and it does nothing but hang up doesn't cycle for nothing
Take it apart and use a dremel and smooth every metal edge inside the action. I did that and now it cycles pretty good even with 2.5” shells
I have the sas in 20 gauge and so far no problems at all
That’s awesome! Hope it keeps on keeping on for you then! This one I have smoothed out the parts and it runs smoothly now. I heard they changed a few things on the 410 now and there less cycling issues on the updated version
WAS IN WALLY WORLD A WEEK AGO AND THEY DIDN'T SAY "SAS" AND WERE ONLY 2 1/2 CHAMBER. WONDER IF THEY CHANGED MAKERS AND WENT FOR 2 1/2 INCH ONLY.
Hmmmm that is interesting. I have not seen one like that but they very well May have.
Does that one actually a .410 because I have a 12g that's the same gun I have a hatfield .410 and it's not that one
Yea it’s 410. I think they may have updates the 410 possibly since this video was made.
Your shell said federal on it. So it was federal tss?
😳 good catch I didn’t even notice and evidently 23k other people didn’t either. I musta got a federal mixed in with my apex box and they are the same color. Wow. Can’t believe it. Thanks
Found one at walmart but it's says on barrel chambered in 2 3/4 . Never seen one have you
No I have not seen one. Mine is definitely 3”. You could send Hatfield an email. They responded to me quickly
Ok they have one at walmart where I live think it might be a mistake
Thanks, I WON’T be getting one of these . The price is nice , but not worth the reliability
I don’t blame you the price is set about right to the quality. I did however use a dremel stone to smooth out all the internal parts and edges and now it cycles perfect every time
but that doesn’t mean it will work for everyone.
let me get this straight! i should buy a shotgun that doesnt work BUT if i pay shipping they might fix it! HA HA HA!!!
That’s up to you. It 226 bucks. Cheap
Did it ever loosen up, and cycle
It did. I took a stone dremel head and just ran over all the internal part edges to smooth everything up and clean burrs off and now it cycles 2.5 and 3” no problem
@@bcoutdoorsmedia Thanks for the response, I'm looking at a couple of 410s , the Hatfield SAS and Savage 410 over and under.
@@timberg7377 Savage is 10 times the gun the Hatfield is
How can I purchase
I had to check around at a couple local Walmarts until I found one. I haven’t looked for them in a while to know how the stock is on these specifically
Safety! forgot to put your glasses on while firing, and didn't check chamber before laying gun down and walking in front of it! :(
Worst shotgun I ever bought. It's never ran 3 shells without jamming . Total junk. Just a wall hanger now
Yea they are pretty sucky I agree with you. After I used my dremel to smooth most of the metal edge on the internals of the action mine has loosened up quite a bit and this far has cycled fine with both 2.5 and 3” shells. Hopefully it continues but in comparison to my other auto loaders it’s sucks. Feels cheap and just unrefined at all but was very cheap price tag as well. I definitely wouldn’t bet much in it. Out gets used just one a year now for the kids in turkey season. They did however get some bantam mossberg 20 gauges last year that they might use for turkey in future seasons.
Have a part number or link for the carlson choke?
www.rogerssportinggoods.com/Carlsons-.410-Turkey-Choke-Tube?quantity=1&firearm=32
Here’s the link to one at rogersporting goods. Choose the beretta benneli version for the Hatfield.
@@bcoutdoorsmedia Do you have a part number off that package, trying to find right 1, Rogers isnt selling it right now.
Item number 38031 appears to be
723189380311 is the upc
Hello broo❤
Eye pro bud come on now
Mine is 2/12 inch only but is a POS....
That’s does suck!
Pos
Pretty cheap no doubt but I got the roughness out of it and it’s a good beater Gun now
Not good keeps doing that
I used a Dremel tool to smooth all the metal parts In the action and now it cycles better with both 2.5” and 3” shells