The gun I didn't know I needed...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- After getting beaten by this small calibre at Casa de Campo, I have been watching out for one I want.
All of the over and unders I would be happy enough with are outside of my budget, so I had to think outside the box!
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Some great points made across the board in this video. From the viewpoint of a US shooter, .410 and 28 gauge are all you really need for "bird" shooting. For my part, small bores are the best trainer for experienced shooters. Shooting 12 gauge in 8+ pound guns make me develop bad habits like shooting only from the waist up and not utilizing the rest of my body for consistent, smooth shots. I tend to use the method Josh adapted of insert behind and swing through with help from my legs to swing rather than just pushing with my arms. My vote; make it fit you and guard it with your life. It will give you great pleasure for the rest of your life.
I started hunting with my brothers Rossi .410 side by side as a kid and shot ducks every bit as good as my buddies with their12 gauge pumps! I finally got my own 12 gauge and my brother sold his .410. I have been looking for another .410 like his for the last 40 years, someday I will get lucky!
Nobody really takes the .410 seriously in the US so it's pretty cool seeing some content for it on TH-cam. Thanks.
because the ammo costs more then 50bmg...
I would say that's only true of the "influencers." With the introduction of TSS, you're seeing a lot more hunters gravitating to the .410. The bigger issue is, lead shot has been broadly banned for bird hunting, and steel shot in the .410 simply isn't effective. So when it comes to hunting with the .410, the choice is essentially bismuth or TSS, both of which are more expensive than steel in 12 or 20 gauge.
@@newscoulomb3705 No, I'm speaking from growing up in the rural south. At least for the past 30ish years I've never known anyone to own or use a .410 for anything. The only mention of it I can recall is one or two very old men saying something along the lines of ".410s are for experts." Long before the TH-cam influencer stuff.
@@mabs9503 Okay, so your experience is very different than mine. Around here, they are very common as youth shotguns and all-purpose (trap, varmint, upland) guns. The 12s and 20s were always the waterfowl guns, but you'd be hard pressed to find a hunter who didn't at least have a .410 growing up.
@@newscoulomb3705 The go-to for a youth shotgun or a shotgun for a lady who doesn't feel comfortable with a 12ga is a 20ga. The only person I knew who had a .410 had one of those "pilot survival guns" and he treated it like a novelty/collector item.
This is a great video. As an American, your accents, and the content in general, is spot on. I love .410 I have even taken to reloading it. $1000 pounds seems like a lot for that, I can buy decent over unders used in .410 for around $600 USD- however, we do have better gun laws and better supply (usually). Though you are right, .410 ammo can be hard to find and expensive at times
Own 2 doubles 1 auto and 4 pumps and looking real hard at a lever the ammo is the hardest to get here in the states I got 3 28. Gauges and heavy shot is pricey but the challenge is there
The ammo has disappeared for the .410 gauge.
I mean it's a pretty punchy shell at close range from what I can tell certainly hits harder than a handgun
Please don't put a recoil pad. It's so nice don't make it look ugly
My brother-in-law in Scotland was given a very short shotgun as a gift from a tenant. Scotland Yard came the next day to pick it up as evidence. The tenant’s son had robbed a bank. Incredibly they gave my brother the rifle back after the case was closed.
based
Rifle?
@@JoeKurr5
Or shotgun?
Scotland, always more based than the British.
@sunsinger970
Scotland Yard is in London. It's the Metropolitan police HQ.
Edit...And Scotland is in Great Britain. 😂
It took me 50 years to realize I wasn't good enough to shoot a 410. Sold the two 410's I owned and all reloading equipment. Now - the 28 gauge - ahhh, a totally different story!
They can have it. I bought a 20 o/u.👍
A couple of my mates are pointing me at 28s...
Fell in love with 28 gauge, myself.
That much difference between .410 and 28 gauge?
I wanted a 28 gauge all along, this spring I came across the right deal.
I grew up with a 410.....you learn to shoot
Hats off if you could shoot one well and astonishment that as a kid you could afford the shells to learn.
@@agunther08they used to be super cheap…. Like almost .22 kind of cheap.
@@agunther08 When I started shooting a .410, my shells were around $2.30 a box for the "good stuff". It has been quite awhile ago!!
Jonny says "Thats beautiful, well made and under £1000" Jonny means: it had gold accents on it 🤣🤣🤣
In the US you can get a break action shotgun for about $100
@@coopboulton where cause I want one
@@breckenadam2076GUN BROKER
@@coopboultonlol try £50 in the UK. Old side by sides are generally unwanted. At an auction you could possibly 2 for £50 lol
@@beeboop1726 shotguns are still pretty popular in the US.. Most guns are popular in the US lol.
410 is usually the 2nd gun American kids get. Their first is .22lr. 410 is good for small game. Rabbits, squirrels etc and with 410 slugs deer. A lot of us have defensive handgun/ revolvers that have some very interesting 410 defensive loads
Slight modification - used to be. Hard to find a 410 that's not "tactical" with a thumb hole stock or camo-ed with a picatinny rail.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 My local Rural King had a couple of the .410 Mossberg 500 pumps. Mossberg even makes their little 510 Mini in .410.
Henry might make their single shot in .410, but since H&R / NEF shut down, you don’t really see the basic .410 singles much anymore.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 can still find em if you look online. Plus plenty of companies combine the two and make over under 22lr/410 combo guns
@@ronaldjohnson1474My lgs has plenty of non tactical .410. Singles, doubles, over-under, lever action, and even a dual caliber.
Some of us had both…a .22 out of the top barrel with .410 underneath. 😂
Nice you can get 410 ammo. Here in Canada they are virtually non existent and if you do find some they want $50 per box!!!😢
here in Greece my 410 ammo 9euros per box
Same here in the states. 410 isn't easy to find
It's upwards of almost $2 a shell in my area of the US.
You are lucky you can find that😅
Australian almost $40 $50 when you can find it.
There's been a canada wide shortage on 410 ammunition for the past 3 years and we finally got some in stock this past Monday. Hands down the most popular shell for grouse hunting in northwestern ontario. Great video!
Same problem down East, cant find them..
Matt True Canadiens need to take Canada back from the Liberals. The same way that True Americans need to take America back from the Leftist
Wow, Grouse with a .410, you guys are good! I hope you have a fun and prosperous hunting season!
Can't find them in the usa
When you do find them, they put a 12 gauge hole in your pocket@@BorneSolidBoom
I am one of those Americans recommending the .410. It works for me on all game birds. I use Federal TSS shot for turkey and pheasants, otherwise nothing special. I think it will grow on you. Congrats on getting a fine gun at a great price.
We use them on halibut and salmon sharks up here in AK. It can be just too exciting to have a live one of those on board and unhappy😁
@@JD-tn5lz bruh you shoot them before you gaff them?
Single shot 410 and a 22 were minimum required equipment for a country boy when I grew up ( Canada in the 70s) lol
Same here in California (real California anyway).
I purchased a 28 gauge and loading supplies instead of a 410 here in canada. Similar reasons to own with small size and recoil. Very fun and addictive
The .410 was always known as the "Shed Gun" here in Australia. Great to have between you and a (protected, deadly) snake. Point and shoot. Not my fault the snake got in the way of my target.....
Killed many a water moc, coral snake, and rattlesnake in Missouri with 410s.
We don't need excuses or alibis here😁
Deadly snakes are protected in Australia? 🤔🤓🍻
@@alsaunders7805 All native animals are protected here. Even the ones that are deemed as a pest by farmers and graziers. Pigs, goats, rabbits and the like are classified as feral. Good luck getting a gun license here though.... Lots of rules.
Yeah can’t shoot a rabbit or a fox in a national park or reserve even though they are a pest animals,the government much prefers the “ humane” control of pests with 1080 poison ,which causes the animals to haemorrhage out of their eyes and ears and can take 3 days to die
My dad got a deer every year he went hunting with a single shot .410. He pissed off my uncles who had rifles with scopes.
Yes, have a725 /410 32” Sporting and a Parker in 410…fun fun
28ga is a good alternative. Huge variation in loads too - very versatile, but cartridges are spendy.
A few years ago I had a fairly large shoot in Cambridgeshire. Every year I invited a team of guns that I knew could shoot on a 410 day. We were all amazed at the height and quality of cock pheasants that were clean killed. The pickers up were very surprised at the lack of wounded birds. The demand to be invited was intense, a marvellous little gun, enjoy it to the full it will surprise you.
Great to see Jonny getting excited over shooting the 410, As a confirmed fan myself and organiser of "The British Open 410 Championship" I expect to see Jonny at next years event.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you get a level of buzz hitting things with a 410 that you just don't get with a 12 bore.
The British open 410 champs!? As a brand new 410 owner…..Please tell me more!!
th-cam.com/video/0kIbK_HGbxA/w-d-xo.html
Why do you think that is?
Hi Bobby,
The British Open 410 Championship. A festival of this fantastic little calibre. Held this year at the fabulous E J Churchill SG on August Bank holiday Monday 26th. Details and booking will be publicised shortly.
See you there.
Richard
@@richardgray4369 Yess!!!! Thankyou very much!!
I will make sure I’m there! Where abouts will it be posted?
A .410 shell called "High Pheasants"?! Is that British humor?! 😂
I load my 2.5 inch hulls with 9 shot or 8.5's at most. Very dense pattern compared to 7.5's and breaks clays fine.
Hope .410 shells are easier to find on your side of the pond than they are here. I've been looking for some #4's or #6's to buy for almost a year now with no luck in the U.S. It's like all our ammo manufacturers totally forgot they make shells in .410 gauge. You know it's bad when 16ga shells are easier to find than .410 shells.
its why i bought a 16ga tons of it from sport south and RSR (distributers for dealers) bought like 15 cases of game loads plus a case of slugs and buck shot for my model 12 in 16 i found at a yard sale for $100
I have a Hatfield single shot 410. It was so inexpensive it's laughable but for the money unbelievable. It shoots beautifully, slim, well made, accurate, light weight, and a wide selection of ammo for multiple uses, bird, hog, deer, clays, home defense. Can a $99 dollar shotgun actually be called elegant???? Good times to all.
Can’t find any four-ten ammo except birdshot.
I don't think I could understand a single word these guys said . I feel like I need a English interpreter for English. 😂
Thanks for a wonderful video! I shoot my .410 now for all my shooting. It’s truly big thrill when you connect with a 50+ yard shot with this little gun. I not a great shot, but I’m a lucky shot. My grandfather told me many years ago, it’s better to be lucky all the time, than be good/great once in a while! What’s amazing to me is some of the second barrel shots I make at wobble trap. Unfortunately they are smoked hits, usually two or three pieces. Not bad for 50-60 yard targets. My favor load now is my hand load of 5/8oz. of 7 1/2’s in a 3” shell.
The ammo cost of 410 is worse than 12 gauge. It’s absolutely crazy …😊
I love the comment about north Americans use a 410 for hunting. What do you think we are still in the stone age and we still use sticks and rocks.
what chokes do you have on the gun?
Ammo certainly not cheap! 😮
One of the best return on investment for reloading
Since purchasing a .410 and a pair of 28ga guns, I will never go back to 12 or 20ga for clay sports or hunting. So much more fun and very rarely feel like I wished for more gun.
I think the word you are looking for is expensive. Not addictive.
Welcome to the dark side son❗️
“Put it in the right place”… (with the right load)… and it’ll do the job every time!
With TSS home loads even Geese 🪿 at 50-60 are possible❗️
And you can also put hundreds in your pockets and they don’t weigh much either.
Curve the pad don’t damage the stock.
If you want to sell it I want first refusal ‼️😂
In America .410 is a kids gun or a kit gun, 20ga for young teens and most women, 12ga is a mans gun.
I've seen how Americans use their guns... heck... some of you guys are really irresponsible... not all.. but some, guess it's because guns are too easy to buy.
Here in the UK you have to apply for a licence, not easy and you've got to be very responsible or you'll lose your priviledge... Shoot safe man...
@@ivancounsell4077 The fact that you like the government making your life harder is inconceivable. You guys dont even have free speech there anymore. It’s irresponsible to give up our fundmental rights like to being able to speak your mind without persecution or defend yourself against an attacker. Tell me what you have got for trading your rights so many died to protect?
That is crazy that 78F is a “very warm day” in Texas that’s a winter day😂
Ammo is expensive and scarce unfortunately.
Hay Jonny if you like that get the revolver that shoots 4-10 love mine
In the former American colony, the .410 ammunition has been hard to get target and game loads for quite a few years now.
28 is as good as it gets
Super expensive ammo.
I still believe 28ga is more worthwhile.
No doubt
I picked up an AYA #3 in 28ga last year at the December Holts auction. Yes, they're great fun. Mine was in very good condition, other than the horrible spray lacquer finish they used in the '70's. I bought it for my daughter, but it'll be a few years before she's ready for it. In the mean time, I'm using it with some stick on pad's for drop and a leather pad for length
I buy guns "for my daughter" all the time...the two of them are 16 and 20. One day they'll be old enough to shoot them.
I still own an old savage bolt action 410. The problem is I can’t find ammo. I wanted to reload but I couldn’t find primers or hulls.
I grew up using a 410 single shot in Iowa. Phesants, rabbits, squirrels. The good old days
My pillow gun shoots .410
I love being able to have real guns.
I hunt with a 410 a good bit. And I find 7-1/2's throw a better pattern for the distance that a 410 can fill.
I started with a four ten bolt action terrific wee gun ❤
My papaw used to use the .410 and his hunting buddies would always rib him about it since they all used 12ga. But he was outshooting them.
A wonderful new episode, thank you Mr. Carter! There are several enjoyable TH-cam videos featuring .410 enthusiasts from Italy, enjoying walked-up woodcock shooting, over English setters in Ireland and Scotland, and they are very effective with their .410 side-by-sides. If you have the opportunity to do some walked-up for partridge or woodcock, that should make for another great TGS chapter. My wife and I do quite a lot of walked-up game shooting stateside over our English setter, and our AyA #4 boxlock ejector small bore guns have never let us down - affordable, reliable, effective, handsome, wonderfully crafted, nicely balanced and light weight - guns we can carry for long periods with little fatigue. Be careful: small bore guns easily become an addiction . . .
I had 12 bores, but I always loved my bolt action 410...just liked the size of cartridge too.. Would be nice to see the shot pattern at different ranges...
My first shotgun at 12 years of age in 1961 was a Cooey single shot .410 with ejector, best shotgun that I ever had.
Yank here. Man i have loved sise by side 410 and 28 ga from afar my entire shioting life. I jave had and have 12 ga and 20. But to me the smaller ga are so cool and smooth looking. Years a go i got a new in the box fiochi from a friend in a trade. It was 28 ga over under. I loved handling it and showing it off. I never even fired it before trading it iff. I jave all ways been more of a hand gun man . Enjoyed this vidio. I am going to get one one if these day.
I bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon about a year ago and love it. I agree, I find the 3 inch cartridges better than the 2.5 inch ones.
Great video Jonny. I was at Barbury on Friday, I can picture myself shooting the same targets with my new side by side.
Use a 410 and 28 regularly and shoot both well the 410 killed some good birds last season only both on pigeons crows and game day
🇦🇺😎👍Nice
I have a over and under 410 and I shoot it all the time. I love shooting it and and hunt with it so I think you'll have a long time and have fun with it
Back before the Covid days I exclusively shot .410 out of a Remington 870 wingmaster that I got as a child. Now in the US it’s extremely rare to find now so now the 28 gets all the play.
410 is a gauge. Not a caliber
What? You’ve got that backwards. .410 is definitely a caliber and not a gauge. If it was a gauge it’d either be ridiculously huge if you’re including the decimal or ridiculously tiny, if you removed it. It’d convert to something like a 68 gauge if remember correctly
This video is so unconventional to me. For one I'm anerican, so watching people from the uk using guns is weird on its own (its not like i was unaware of it). And 2 my priority for firearms is for personal protection, I do not hunt nor do sport shooting. I watch videos, research firearms, and own primarily with the intention of self defense. So watching a video of non Americans doing sport shooting is so odd to me, nevertheless its very interesting to watch.
I used to shoot a friends SxS AYA .410 and it was surprisingly good , wanted a .410 of my own ever since but like you say decent one's are decent money.
It needs a Silvers pad 👍.
Whereas an old Webley...🤣
some one who can translate British. (respectfully ) what gun did he say he was shooting?
An AYA #4
@@tgsoutdoors hey thanks bud. Great shooting! I just got a new england arms pardner. Taking to the stand this week.
very nice. I just got a chiappa triple crown 410
Our families 410 was a marvellous Topper from around 1959/1960...very good balance and very well made 👍 👏
The Topper Jr here! Lots of shells fired, lots of bluejays & crows sleeping as a lad.
A beautiful gun from AYA. The 410 caliber is definitely getting more attention. My 75 year old clay-shooting friend uses the 410 exclusively. Have fun!
Most of the attention it is getting from me is, it costs me three times as much to shoot my .410 than my 12g.
Have an LC Smith ..410 with 28 inch barrels and double triggers choked mod/full manufactured in 1947. It’s all original with case colors and untouched screws. Paid too much for it but it’s worth quite a bit to a collector I suppose. Great fun and great little gun.
.410? LMFAO. We got my baby brother a 20 gauge for his first shot gun and he wanted a 12 gauge in 6 months. As the oldest, I was hunting with my father’s Mossberg 12 gauge pump by age 9. I was gifted a Remington 810 wing master Magnum 12 gauge pump at age 11, and I’ve been hunting with that for the last 46 years. over here in the United States a 410 is a revolver handgun round.
Lots of kids. In my day had 410 single shot. They were used for rabbits. Squirrel 🐿️ and rattlesnakes. Copperhead and cottonmouth snakes. Rural Oklahoma. Hunted since age 12, after getting proficient on the 410 stepping up to a 12 gauge made you feel like Buffalo Bill😂
WOW! I want one.
There’s a guy at my club who only shoots .410 with a SxS and wears a black golf glove😂
I wont even bother with a .410 other than a pump shotgun or semi-auto. Having 1 or 2 rounds on standby isnt much at all, and I also dont bother with shot shell loads.... I reload my 410 with (x3) 3/8" ball bearings which DO NOT play around!
Johnny do you know thing called dynamic range .....please use a camera that it has and maybe we will see better the flying saucers.
.410 is NOT a 'gauge', it is bore. (.410" bore); if it was a 'gauge', the closest to get to describe it would be '67 gauge'.
I had a lovely little AyA Number 4 in .410. Couldn't hit a thing with it so got it on the pattern plate and found it shot way off to one side. The gun was near mint but I had to say good bye to it. The little 28 bore version of the same gun I have is superb.
I know fk all about shotguns etc but at 5:10 it looks like you’re leaning on the shotgun, barrel on ground. Doesn’t seem right to do somehow?
Ive got a AYA no3 .410 if bought it about year ago. They are so much fun to shoot.
Everyone wants to have a look and talk to you when you turn up with something a buy different at the clay shoot.
Just a thought, have you ever considered sending your gun to Briley or Kohler to have your main Longthorn fitted with sub gauge tubes? I did this years ago in the 90s so I could shoot the same gun with the same feel just with different gauges. The tubes add a little weight forwardness to your gun, which improves the swing and as we all know that can’t be a bad thing.
410 great caliber owned several over the years one of which was truly spectacular and a side by side to boot..
I own two 410’s. An 870 wingmaster and a Beretta 686. I don’t care for the gauge. I feel all fuzzy inside with my 28 gauges instead.
I'll GLADLY buy the 870 off of you if you want to free up a space in the safe...😊
@@eduffy4937 😂 I hear ya, but I’ve only sold ONE single gun in my life and swore to myself that I’d NEVER sell another gun again. I only buy guns. They’re all going to my two “clones” once I cross over into the afterlife with Jesus.
I watch all your videos and I know you have been to the USA. I am wondering why I haven’t seen you shoot a round of skeet or trap . I would also like to suggest maybe shooting a tubed gun (410,28,and 20) . Look at the NSSA it is all over the world and very competitive. I am hooked now for 20 years.
Several years ago I was hunting quail with a Turkish .410 at a private plantation in South Carolina. The owner, who was a long time friend, said I wasn’t getting “good” kills. I shot back - “They’re going down aren’t they.” Finally, a quail got out about 40 yards over a stand of pines, pulled the trigger and rolled it up. I turned around and just shrugged and said “Was that a “good” kill?” The fact is on bird - kill bird with whatever gauge you’re shooting.
It's about time you woke up and realized how much fun the 410 is to shoot. I shoot 4 gun Skeet here in the States and purchased a 30 inch Silver Pigeon III Sporting in a 2 barrel 28/410 set in 2021. It's proven to be the smartest gun purchase I have ever made. The fit is 100% spot on perfect and the 410 is the least expensive shot shell you can reload. I will also note that it's 6 1/2 lbs. weight with a slight forward balance provides the perfect balance between Responsiveness and Stability. Note, it features a EELL wood upgrade which does add about 1/2 lbs to the gun. I liked the first so much that a month ago I purchased a duplicate just to have a spare in the event the #1 gun had an issue. I'll also note that mine is a gun that you shoot like it were a 12 gauge, nothing at all special needed in the technique to shoot it well. BTW, next time you visit the US you may want to stop in at Joel Etchen Guns in Ligonier, PA. He normally keeps a selection of 20/28 and 28/410 Silver Pigeon III's in stock. Note, he stocks both Field and Sporting versions and all these guns have EELL wood upgrades so they are a bit expensive.
One of my favorite calibers. I love my.410
Remembering when I was 14 and being the only one hitting clays (consistently) with it. Gamekeepers, professional shooters just couldn’t get to near me that day! 😂
British gun experts...I stopped listening at ".410s are hard to shoot."
Snag a 410./45. Judge combo. Not a bad little rifle.
Yeah,,the good old 410 bore,,never had one,,I am glad I don't have one now,,Because no one in Ontario Canada stocks 410s,,for the last year and a half,,for some reason 😀
Sad to say, the US market is saturated with "tactical" and camo-ed "turkey" 410's. Finding a decent, usable single or double is like a needle in a haystack! Not to mention ammo.
A fun video that I enjoyed. I will watch it again to ferret out what language Josh is speaking. For much of the video I thought I was listening to the broadcast of a Premiership football game being narrated in the style of an announcer from Mexico. Good fun none the less.
Bou its hard for is this american to follow your conversation. I get every third word maby. Alot of other noises and strange words i jave no idea what they mean. I do believe our xomon language was diverged over the past 250 uears to the point that they should be 2 different language s. I would love to take a dorgen language course in british Kings english i would call it. Yall talk rather fast also. Not as fast and spanish woman . They must be the fastest talkers in the world?
I like those .410 revolvers. What are they called the judge or something like that I dunno. Those things are badass. Would love to own one to keep in my nightstand.
I remember hunting squirrels when I was a kid with a side by side 410. So much fun to shoot.
Can’t see clay. Brilliant! Add the mumbling? Brits!
In America it seems availability of .410 is limited and the price is outrageous compared to the same shot size in 12 gauge...