Brian _____ As a 'Musical 'newbie' at 77', I consider 'You, and 'Adam Neely' 'the Hope for the World', in your sharing of your Intellects. 'Fractals'... was great !
There's a piece called "Waiting For Kate" by one of my old professors, Rick DiMuzio, which matches exactly the concept you're talking about here. I've been obsessed with it for that reason, so it's really great that you went deep on it here. This was a great video! Always good to see Adam pop up too!
Being very familiar with fractals, this was a delight! Great video. Love the topic-blending. Less artificial seperation and more holistic thinking... Love it!
Enjoyed your analysis very much. One slight point though. Musique Mecanique was released in 1979, not 1969. In 1969 she was still in the process of the three year project of Escalator Over the Hill. Perhaps someone else has already pointed this out? Terrific work in any case.
I think it's important to mention that the widely accepted definition of a fractal (at least at the University of Utah, where i got my degree in math) is much more general than that you have presented in this video. Fractals are lines which have dimensionality between 1 and 2 - this is particularly weird because we normally discuss dimensions in terms of natural numbers (1,2,3... so on and so forth) The fractals that you refer to (like the sierpinski triangle or the mandelbrot set) are what are called self similar fractals - fractals that display the same shape on a macro and micro scale. However, these fractals account for an incredibly minute amount of possible fractals. Most fractals that exist are NOT self similar (like the butterfly fractal from the Voltera Lotka model of population, or the fractal which describes the coastline of Britain). It's a somewhat pedantic distinction to make, but I thought i'd point it out for funsies.
Thanks for pointing that out, Jeffry. Definitely an important distinction to make. Honestly, if I'd have thought more thank like 100 people would be watching this video, I might have done more research :/ But, I hope I made it clear that I was using the idea of fractals- SELF SIMILAR fractals, that is- as a *metaphor* for a broader structural idea!
Carla was one of the most important composers / band leaders of the 20th century. And all that as a woman - well, Maria Schneider could tell us about that ...
Very well done video. Wouldn’t fractals just be another term for theme and variations that’s been done forever? Sonata/fugue form. How is it different?
A fractal has a self-similar structure, which means that the smallest fragment is the same as the whole thing (first bar mirrors the entire piece). Themes or motifs can be phrases of equal length which are repeated throughout the piece, while fractals must repeat from the smallest to the largest scale.
well yeah... there's the key... did these artist do it unconsiously or was it fully intended. or maybe they saw it later on (before someone else pointed it out). was the word fractal even in use when joyce wrote? what about the enigma variations? maybe i'm sorry i asked that...
Hmm.. Honestly not sure I'm seeing fractals.. Self referencial yes.. But a degree of self similar of orders of magnitude..? Wouldn't heysoos be pronoucned heySoos..? not heyZeus..?
That is an interesting parallel- it honestly never occurred to me. She isn’t really “borrowing,” but it is very similar. I talked to both Carla and Steve about the tune, and neither of them mentioned Satie... but I’m sure they both admire his music!
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Well that was a DELIGHT! Nice work!!
Brian _____ As a 'Musical 'newbie' at 77', I consider 'You, and 'Adam Neely' 'the Hope for the World', in your sharing of your Intellects. 'Fractals'... was great !
Thank you, Donn. So cool that you’re exploring new music! I hope I’m doing the same when I’m 77!
Adam Neely did a shoutout to you. Your content is amazing!
This is just amazing - Adam nailing the Steve Swallow plectrum technique
Steve himself was impressed!
I was binge watching Carla Bley vidz and this came up...... *mind blown*
I LOVE this Brian Krock, and his drawing together the fractal qualities of Bley with Finnegans Wake! If we had a son, I would want him to be Brian!!
Thank you Adam Neely for sending us to this channel!
... superb !!! I should have had access to this 50 years ago (no kiddin' ...!) !
There's a piece called "Waiting For Kate" by one of my old professors, Rick DiMuzio, which matches exactly the concept you're talking about here. I've been obsessed with it for that reason, so it's really great that you went deep on it here.
This was a great video! Always good to see Adam pop up too!
Thanks! (great username, btw)
I loved this video. Carla really is one of the greatest
thanks for this. Carla was such a genius. (Joyce is th'bomb)
Being very familiar with fractals, this was a delight! Great video. Love the topic-blending. Less artificial seperation and more holistic thinking... Love it!
Enjoyed your analysis very much. One slight point though. Musique Mecanique was released in 1979, not 1969. In 1969 she was still in the process of the three year project of Escalator Over the Hill. Perhaps someone else has already pointed this out? Terrific work in any case.
Amazing work! I love the directions you went in!
nc-trc I’m glad you dug it!
This was an absolute joy - just saw the ending, clever the whole way through - keep making things and I'll keep watching.
Good to see Adam Neely in your video.
I've been trying to find the lyrics to Jesus Maria for ages! Thank you!
Thank you, Sir Brian
robert blumschein thanks for watching!
so fucking good holy fuck im on a binge
This is so fascinating. So happy to have found your great channel. Can't wait to binge all the videos
Really cool videos! . Nice to have found your channel
Go away, Soulless collector of 20th Century genius works.
I think it's important to mention that the widely accepted definition of a fractal (at least at the University of Utah, where i got my degree in math) is much more general than that you have presented in this video.
Fractals are lines which have dimensionality between 1 and 2 - this is particularly weird because we normally discuss dimensions in terms of natural numbers (1,2,3... so on and so forth)
The fractals that you refer to (like the sierpinski triangle or the mandelbrot set) are what are called self similar fractals - fractals that display the same shape on a macro and micro scale.
However, these fractals account for an incredibly minute amount of possible fractals. Most fractals that exist are NOT self similar (like the butterfly fractal from the Voltera Lotka model of population, or the fractal which describes the coastline of Britain).
It's a somewhat pedantic distinction to make, but I thought i'd point it out for funsies.
Thanks for pointing that out, Jeffry. Definitely an important distinction to make. Honestly, if I'd have thought more thank like 100 people would be watching this video, I might have done more research :/ But, I hope I made it clear that I was using the idea of fractals- SELF SIMILAR fractals, that is- as a *metaphor* for a broader structural idea!
@@BrianKrock I'm just being nit picky, this video is fantastic
Great video! I am also obsessed with fractals. I found the form of John Adams’ Fearful Symmetries to be a fractal of cascading climaxes
Interesting, I'm going to have to go re-listen to that! Thank you.
Fantastic content!! Thx so much.
Great content! I'd love it, if the soundeffects and the voice were the same volume.
Thanks for your input! I’m still working out the kinks...
Cool vid.Thanks
amazing video!
Thanks!
Carla was one of the most important composers / band leaders of the 20th century. And all that as a woman - well, Maria Schneider could tell us about that ...
Fascinating stuff!
Very well done video. Wouldn’t fractals just be another term for theme and variations that’s been done forever? Sonata/fugue form. How is it different?
A fractal has a self-similar structure, which means that the smallest fragment is the same as the whole thing (first bar mirrors the entire piece). Themes or motifs can be phrases of equal length which are repeated throughout the piece, while fractals must repeat from the smallest to the largest scale.
well yeah... there's the key... did these artist do it unconsiously or was it fully intended. or maybe they saw it later on (before someone else pointed it out). was the word fractal even in use when joyce wrote?
what about the enigma variations? maybe i'm sorry i asked that...
Great job!
"And he grew / grew grew and grew / grew up to be / grew up to be / A boy named Brian / Not a girl named Brian"
10:04 thesauri my good man.
Adam Neely brought me here.
James Joyce's name drop got me to stay.
lol nice very cvol thx
dat moustache...
don ellis hey jude bro my guy
Hmm.. Honestly not sure I'm seeing fractals.. Self referencial yes..
But a degree of self similar of orders of magnitude..?
Wouldn't heysoos be pronoucned heySoos..? not heyZeus..?
"Hay-soos" is "Jesus" pronounced in spanish
Yup! (It was actually my chosen name for my Spanish class in high school, and my teacher always called me "Diablo" instead.)
@@BrianKrock Teachers know
You look like Chris hadfield
14:01 simpsons. simpsons
Absurd stretches of logic and nonsensical parsing.
She is just borrowing the intro from Satie's Gymnopedie!
not the same harmony or rhythm but the lydian mode is present in both.
That is an interesting parallel- it honestly never occurred to me. She isn’t really “borrowing,” but it is very similar. I talked to both Carla and Steve about the tune, and neither of them mentioned Satie... but I’m sure they both admire his music!
@@BrianKrock Of course it's very different. And both are great pieces. Good video anyway. It might have given me som ideas for compostions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis