The KATA ELECTRIC & The Mystery of Seisan

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  • @donaldfielding209
    @donaldfielding209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It has been a long time since I was able to study with you, Sifu. A long way from the basement of the YMCA in the early 80's. I enjoyed this video. I am still struggling through life but I still practice this Kata. Unfortunately it's the only one I still remember.

  • @sauzin24
    @sauzin24 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for sharing this. I'd like to add that kata also contains a lot of Taoist internal alchemy in as well. For example, the hand over fist opening shows the combining of the 2nd and 3rd tantien which involves the combining of Kan and Li, aka fire and water. It also holds other meanings involving "smashing the void" as well. Sensan is full of energy gathering and cultivation methods hailing from Taoist sciences of spiritual enlightenment. Of course these Taoist methods were once taught with meditations and other cultivation and enlightenment (aka immortality) exercises now largely lost in Okinawa, though not in China which is where my studies have been focused recently. If you'd ever like to compare notes, please feel free to contact me.

    • @chrislevick2746
      @chrislevick2746 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd be very interested to learn more

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chris Levick I hope to put out more videos on the subject. In the meantime, feel free to contact me at windschool@earthlink.net and you might enjoy my last article on Chinkuchi at this link.
      isshinkempo.com/assets/chinkuchi.pdf

  • @Davethenuttymagician
    @Davethenuttymagician 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have Been a Practitioner of Isshinryu Karate for almost 35 years. I am part of the OIKKA. Okinawan IsshinRyu Kobudo Karate Association. The Information you have told all is very informative Thank You

  • @vallabhaneniamith4716
    @vallabhaneniamith4716 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why is the karateka in glasses that performed the seisan kata so much in rush? So much so that his kicks are incomplete.

  • @peterh4446
    @peterh4446 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw a video today of Higaonna Sensei demonstrating ki breathing and it made me think of you. The breath circulates in the tenden then rises over the head before exhale. You are correct sir. There is much more to kata than most practitioners realize.

  • @truthserum9456
    @truthserum9456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Huh?? One never takes his eyes off of the opponent that's basic karate 101 so why sir are you looking at the ground when bowing?

  • @robertfarris3744
    @robertfarris3744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i've been a martial artist for 55yrs...started out in shobayashi shorin ryu( since 1967),along the way i have studied muay thai(started in 1977) escrima(since 1980) tai chi(since 1987) and have seen and practiced some pretty amazing things...but i don't believe chi or any type of "secret energy" actually exists....also i've noticed that all the really good fighters practice fighting not katas....bruce lee said if you want to learn to swim you have to get in the water..practicing your swim strokes on dry land will only get you so far...anyway katas have their placein the tradition but i would posit it's best for beginners....and all the mumbo jumbo esoteric B.S. you want to attach to it(katas)don't make it real!!!!!

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm always glad to hear different points of view. I would have been right with your perspective thirty years ago until I and others experienced some unexplainable phenomenon, directly linked to Traditional Kata. I've been a full time career martial art teacher for over 50 years. If you wish to wave your wand and wipe away the 3,000 year Asian evolution of the concept of Chi, or prana, and Fighting Form development, that's your choice, but it does not impact my research nor the amazing outcomes many of us in the senior martial art community have experienced first hand, in the least. I suspect you understand fighting quite well, but when it comes to your kata insights, it's you who are speaking mumbo jumbo.

  • @Dave-ti2ue
    @Dave-ti2ue ปีที่แล้ว

    Hangetsu Kata in Shotokan Karate. How and when did it get to their style? Fascinating stuff!

  • @The-Travel-Man
    @The-Travel-Man 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seisan (13 hands ) is the first kata in Ishhin-ryu, but ostensibly Shimabuku almost took it straight out of Shorin-ryu with some subtle modifications. Seisan is way different in other two Okinawan schools and considered a high level kata in Goju-ryu and in Uechi-ryu. Being very linear, I don't see being the most important or esoteric. In my opinion, the most important kata is Sanchin, as it offers dynamic tension, which works as an isometric way of rooting and building power.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne ปีที่แล้ว

      Ishhin-ryu is classified as Shorin Ryu style.

  • @vincentbuccieri9305
    @vincentbuccieri9305 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent Discourse!

  • @vishnusudheer6049
    @vishnusudheer6049 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    One hell of a video!!!Thanks for the pointers!!!In eternal love with kata and karate!!!

  • @larrysneed3564
    @larrysneed3564 ปีที่แล้ว

    Profoundly stated knowledge.

  • @miketurley3296
    @miketurley3296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahh-mazing 👍 Sensei your like a KARATE LIBRARY . Thx

  • @christophergoedecke8071
    @christophergoedecke8071  9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Shifu Hayashi reveals some of the hidden teachings found within traditional Okinawan kata practice.

    • @TomHillGojucouk
      @TomHillGojucouk 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fascinating as usual. Regards Tom

  • @gregorygranger4298
    @gregorygranger4298 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and informative video Chris. I see you have over a thousand views on this one -- congratulations!

  • @jamesholder401
    @jamesholder401 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for providing this information.

  • @nevilleharris4466
    @nevilleharris4466 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video! Thanks for posting it.

  • @MonguSu1952
    @MonguSu1952 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm wondering if your karate roots are based in Isshin-ryu because I noticed bunkai of Seiuchin (Seiunchin) and the vertical punch with the thumb on top. I'm a student of Isshin-ryu since 1975 and instructor since 1982.
    I enjoyed your comments.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, my roots are in Isshinryu since 1968. The current system I head, Isshin Kempo, takes its focus from its founder, William Scott Russell with a sharp turn into Kiko practices inherent in the isshin forms. We practice all the same kata with a few additional ones.

  • @chadwiley6917
    @chadwiley6917 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting, I would like to know more about the history of the thumb on top of the the fist.

    • @greenshifu
      @greenshifu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I knew of someone that did this in shotokan. I would have thought you could catch it and hurt your thumb!

    • @chadwiley6917
      @chadwiley6917 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@greenshifu I think there is more to it. Master Kang Rhee in Memphis, Tennessee used the same fist. He called it the "Hammer Fist" and it was number one according to him. Yet he had a Korean Flag representing a regular fist. I have heard and rationalized different uses for the fist but never heard anyone go into great detail about it's history and specific application. I was hoping Mr. Goedecke could elaborate more or give me a reference to look it up at the library. Thanks for your feedback Graeme. I appreciate all thoughts and comments on the subject. Good day sir!

    • @mariuspettersen2613
      @mariuspettersen2613 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Erle Montaigue said this was the Taiji fist aswell, he said the fist need to be yin and yang. The fist is yin and the thumb on top is yang. Check out his video-Tai Chi fist-Erle's lesson part 9

    • @chadwiley6917
      @chadwiley6917 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mariuspettersen2613 Wonderful! I will check that out. Appreciate the feedback.

    • @mariuspettersen2613
      @mariuspettersen2613 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chadwiley6917 Happy to! MTG273:Body mechanics of using internal qi in striking is another video where he describes why the thumb is on top of the fist. You should check that out aswell:)

  • @bryantsample64
    @bryantsample64 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Despite what others say i believe you crafted a well-done video. For anyone that practices authentic martial arts well find value in your video.I appreciate your input.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your remark. Whenever you put your works out to the general public you must get used to the critical denizens of the world. My organization has worked hard to understand the esoteric fundamentals of authentic Okinawan karatedo practice and will continue to shine a light in this direction.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment. Mainstream martial practices are sadly becomming ever more superficial. Most would be amazed at the depth of understanding embedded in their kata.

  • @colefowles4003
    @colefowles4003 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for replying sir, we may disagree on energy mechanics at this time but I'm sure we could have some great training and conversation over tea. You are correct in assuming I have no experience in chi, my education is in massage, anatomy and mixed martial arts. Where are you based sensei?

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suppose better late than never, I am based in Morris county New Jersey

  • @nelsmohawk257
    @nelsmohawk257 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So where in isshinryu were you taught an offensive move? Hint, Chinto. To strike first upsets the universe, thus block punch: agree?

  • @danakabel3274
    @danakabel3274 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff! Arigato gozaimashita!☯

  • @austinjordan-windsor2752
    @austinjordan-windsor2752 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video. Osu ✨🙏

  • @abhideepsingh4484
    @abhideepsingh4484 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    beautiful!

  • @truthserum9456
    @truthserum9456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With all respect due sir you are in lala land. If you truly want to learn about kata find out about Seiyu Oyata considered to be the absolute authority on kata.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When a general comment such as yours appears without clarification it's worthy of dismissal. If you want to talk specifics, bring it on. As for Sensei Oyata being the 'absolute' authority, i could site many fine karateka who would disagree. Perhaps, he is your absolute authority. As far as 'due respect' that appears something Sensei Oyata did not communicate to you when communicating with fellow senior karateka

    • @truthserum9456
      @truthserum9456 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oyata had a term for people like you he would say "they think they know". Personally, you are mediocre at best.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne ปีที่แล้ว

      Seiyu Oyata "absolute authority" ? But his art give the silly impractical moves of kata some sense!

    • @truthserum9456
      @truthserum9456 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gieszkanne martial arts genius, Einstein of Kata

  • @metalema6
    @metalema6 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't really believe in what you're saying but it's still an interesting point of view

    • @nyhyl
      @nyhyl 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes people describe the right methods with wrong reasons. I always try to differentiate if something works/helps/has an remarkable effect and if the explanation why it works is true.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I completely sympathize with your sentiment. The first time I experienced internal strength principles, I thought my partner wasn’t paying attention with his grip on my arm. I also had no awareness of anything ‘special’ about karate technique during my first 23 years as a career teacher, outside of hard training. Over the last 25 years (that's an additional 25 on top of my earlier two decades of study), every single person I introduced the subject to with a hands-on demonstration, thought the outcome was simply unbelievable. If you ever come by this way, I’d be happy to demonstrate. Even better, I’ll get you to demonstrate it on me! Then you can decide what is to be believed or not.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most rationalizations for karate technique fall into the biomechanical dimension today. Very few ever explain karate phenomena that falls outside of proper alignment, torque, leverage etc. Exciting research in biophysics and chi, has demonstrated that some individuals have the ability to shoot photons from their fingers at will and manipulate their body's electro-magnetic fields, at will. Few American martial pioneers were exposed to Okinawan Kiko principles and techniques, fewer still to the science behind their efficacy.

  • @Dojotoriikarate
    @Dojotoriikarate 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    An exagerating bow is a sugest of lack of knowledge... why you go so fast? That kind of performance make my think in a MC dojo kata

  • @kafkastrial8650
    @kafkastrial8650 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you not think that you are reading too much into this ?

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Let's talk experience in the martial arts. Can I assume you are a martial practitioner? What did you see when you were a beginner? Not much. that's most people's response when they look back after years of training. I've been a full time career professional teacher for over 47 years. What level of experience are you applying to your comment? Because my answer is that we all see only to the limits of our consciousness.

  • @paulphillips7561
    @paulphillips7561 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    each kata has a element. all from shaolin. Plus the kata has a certain amount of moves 4 a purpose. find the purpose then link it 2 chinese medicine. eg seishan is earth element. in wado has 45 moves so link it 2 stomach. Then find the gates. Happy searching. it will blow your mind.

    • @jrcortez18
      @jrcortez18 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Señor estoy en investigaciòn de este kata , por favor podrìa ayudarme un poco mas con lo que tiene que ver con lo que ud sabe? ...muchas gracias de antemano

  • @donshapland9405
    @donshapland9405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lot of folks out there doing some bad drugs! What a joke! The internet is a wonderful communication device but also an arena to make a damn fool of your self!!

  • @sbh1311
    @sbh1311 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fact of the matter...seisan kata...Okinawa, starts with right leg ?.....

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Sandy Herman
      Many martial students can become completely baffled when they discover that a kata in their syllabus has multiple variations in existence, sometimes even within the same style. Seisan possesses this notoriety. You will probably enjoy this excellent blog discussing this subject in more length at www.ikigaiway.com/2012/a-historical-walking-tour-of-seisan-kata/.
      For many, it is almost impossible to get back to the source form. However, it is less important what the originating form might have been compared to the meaning of the form the way we practice it. Whether one starts a sesian kata with a right or left foot is less important to the given reasons or understanding for doing so.
      Okinawan karate kata were not embraced in their entirety by mainstream Americans. Much was left out of its value, leaving many American sensei wondering just why the moves were configured the way they were. Obvious bunkai application does not often reveal deeper principles of mind/body/energy manipulations. There is a Yin seisan stepping action and a Yang seisan crescent stepping action, Yin middle blocks and Yang middle blocks. Each presentation , if true to the inner principles, will demonstrate a correct formula, or packaging, for its movement sequences. Isshinryu seisan begins with left foot forward. Another variation begins with right foot forward, BUT, the right leg may steps with a sanchin foot. Another style steps with right foot forward BUT the stance width is narrower or breathing is reversed. This is all in accordance with inner principles.
      Of course, there are many who have no idea of the inner principles. So if you were to say to me hypothetically, that your version steps with a right foot forward as a mirror image of the isshin kata, I could say definitively that it would be incorrect, for it would go against the inner principles. By 'inner principles' I am specifically referring to the manipulation of chi flow through the meridians. Check out my article on Chinkuchi for some deeper insight into this fascinating subject. isshinkempo.com/assets/chinkuchi.pdf

    • @safdarkh786
      @safdarkh786 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Left

  • @BrandonHolgersen
    @BrandonHolgersen 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Was with you up until you said "bio-field." And "doubling the magnetic field."

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +BrandonHolgersen: The 'magnetic field’ does not double. In testing over a 25 year period, subjects were consistently able to double their physical strength by means of manipulating their energy field. Scientific testing is helping us to better understand the martial behaviors of internal energy manipulations and concepts like Chi. Below is an excerpt from the work of Beverly Rubik, Phd, Biophysics, that might help clarify the appropriateness of the term ‘Biofield' for you.
      "…the concept of an organizing field in biology and medicine evokes shades of vitalism, an old philosophical concept in the West from the 1600s that was overthrown in nineteenth-century science. In this view, the essence of life is seen as a metaphysical, irreducible life force that cannot be measured. Indigenous systems of healing such as Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine and modern modalities such as chiropractic rest on concepts of a vital force or subtle life energy that is central to healing. Called by many names, including prana in Ayurvedic medicine and qi in Chinese medicine, these indigenous terms go back thousands of years. They may actually refer to something similar to the present-day concept of the biofield, which is, at least in part, based on the electromagnetic field theory of modern physics but, in principle, might also include acoustic and possibly other subtler energy fields not yet known to science. The important difference between traditional and modern views of the vital force is that the biofield rests on physical principles and can be measured, whereas the traditional concepts remain metaphysical.
      See: Measurement of the Human Biofield and Other Energetic Instruments, Beverly Rubik PhD.

    • @BrandonHolgersen
      @BrandonHolgersen 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Christopher Goedecke You're a fraud.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A personal attack because you don't understand something? Wow! A statement like yours highlights your limitations, not my credibility. Intelligentt martial artists that I engage share perspectives and discuss differences. Self important ones make childish assertions like yours. Did you miss that we have twenty-five years of field research? If you have something intelligent to add, I'm all ears, otherwise your blowing hot air in the wind.

    • @BrandonHolgersen
      @BrandonHolgersen 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Christopher Goedecke Fine, I'll bite. We create chemical energy through cellular respiration thanks to mitochondria in our cells. They breakdown molecules to form ATP, this process produces chemical energy for us to live. Besides chemical energy there is also potential energy, which is energy due to position, like a ball balancing on the edge of a cliff. It has the potential to have energy. There is also kinetic energy, which is an object in motion. If the ball falls off the cliff its potential energy becomes kinetic energy. Now energy itself is not something that we hold onto. It's not even a thing. It's a representation of the measurable amount of work being done. If it cannot be measured than it is not energy. It is nothing.
      Therefore you cannot manipulate energy. Energy is not even stored, the potential for energy is stored either through position potential energy or due to chemicals that can be broken down to create energy (food).
      The idea that you can manipulate your "energy field," than is quite ridiculous.
      I'm also curious as to what you've used as a control group for this 25 year study? Since I'm sure this is a serious scientific project and any experiment is worthless without a control group.
      Besides this, personal attacks or no, the burden of proof is on you. It's not my job to prove you wrong. Otherwise, prove that there isn't a teapot in orbit around the earth.

    • @Bodhiavo
      @Bodhiavo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +BrandonHolgersen Fine I'll bite. Seems you have a good grasp on newtonian physics and rudimentary biochemistry......both of which are severely outdated and have no bearing on this.....or maybe you just googled "energy" which led you to use terms like "mitochondria" and "ATP". Also, you clearly are trolling youtube to get a rise out of people and trying to use terms that seem related to the subject so you sound smart. Please do some more research, or maybe try reading some books on biophysics and biochemistry that were written or updated after 2010, before trying to get into useless arguments on the internet. I don't think anyone appreciates your comments, which have not added anything of value to this video.

  • @sramdeojohn4428
    @sramdeojohn4428 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's all just a religious perspective.

  • @colefowles4003
    @colefowles4003 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No disrespect sensei but I don't think modern medicine supports any of your claims. Quoting buddhist sutras without providing evidence for your questionable claims on bio energy mechanics I believe is unethical. Please provide scientific evidence for your claims or please provide a disclaimer that this is theory and not proven fact. Thank you for the video.

    • @christophergoedecke8071
      @christophergoedecke8071  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's a famous statement by Galileo, " When observation disagrees with Theory, go with observation." And that is precisely what I have done. I understand that you have little or no experience in this arena, so I get your incredulity and I respect your opinion, but that's all it is. Quantum physics has upended a lot of scientific understanding. If you are ever in my area fell free to stop by. The proof is in the experience. And I offer you that opportunity.

    • @jayaustin2361
      @jayaustin2361 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are in NJ show up for a personal lesson to see for yourself. I'll bet you one hundred dollars if he can't increase your power by at least 50 percent.

  • @joselopez-hr3iw
    @joselopez-hr3iw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    que pesima tecnica, y sobretodop grandisima farsa de alguien que no sabe karate do.

    • @jrcortez18
      @jrcortez18 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No lo contradigo señor , pero recien estoy viendo los videos de este señor ¿ porque dice esto ?

  • @aleenet
    @aleenet 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ladron

    • @jrcortez18
      @jrcortez18 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      recien veo los videos de este señor ¿ porque dice esto ? quisiera saber