This is BREAKING Minecraft PvP
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hey everyone! Happy New Years! Thank you so much for an amazing 2022, it means the world to me. In this video, I'm going to be discussing the game breaking mechanics ping has on Minecraft PvP. I did a ton of research for this video and it would mean a lot to me if you watched the whole thing, you're guaranteed to learn something new! Anyways, enjoy the video!
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0:00 - Intro
0:59 - The Ping Experiment
1:58 - Test 1: 20ms
2:26 - Test 2: 120ms
3:10 - Test 3: 400ms
3:47 - How does knockback work?
6:28 - Closing thoughts
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Some things I want to address:
I know high ping can be a severe disadvantage in certain gamemodes, primarily crystal and shield based PvP, however these gamemodes are a lot more niche and the disadvantages that high ping causes are tied to specific items. Knockback scaling applies to almost every PvP based gamemode and taking reduced knockback at the price for a little bit higher ping is worth it in so many situations.
The affect that ping has on knockback is ridiculous and should not exist in the game. This can easily be fixed by Minecraft servers or by Minecraft itself if they actually cared about PvP
I feel like high ping is only a advantage in sword an pot pvp. In everything else its just a disatvatage.
i'm not sure how this could be fixed, u mean just by changing the falling knockback to something that comes closer to the ground knockback?
Me personally I would say that at around 100 ping it doesn't matter hugely nut once ur up to 230 like I am its just painful to deal with especially shield delay
Bro stop studying this game go outside touch grass like a normal TH-camr
@@Kart easiest way would just be to remove knockback scaling like how a lot of 1.8 servers have already done, isn't that hard to do either server side. IMO knockback scaling shouldn't be enabled by default in minecraft at all given all the issues it causes with interregional play
i find it funny that in 1.8, the rod is in nearly every major pvp loadout to halt enemy movement and start combos, and in most rod-less loadouts you're given blocks to do the same thing, both of which become horrendous to use on high ping. then high ping players move to 1.9 and they not only lose the disadvantage of laggy rods or blocks, but also gain the advantage of less kb
also i know that high ping does come with other disadvantages like getting the first hit being harder and s-tapping being stronger in certain anti-cheats, but both of those are kind of negated when you can just walk thru ur opponents combo on high ms
@@KingCarrot depends on the gamemode. With the lower ping in bridge, you get to score before your opponent
@@exfordovsky5315 tbh id rather take less kb than score a tenth of a second later
@@KingCarrot exactly my point, yeah hahah
edit: nevermind, read it the wrong way. I'd rather take a little more kb, because milliseconds in bridge are really important. I won and lost countless times because of it.
The new editing style is amazing, first video I actually enjoyed in a while, amazing job!
@bluers me too
@bluers me too
repent to God
hi tennis
Y r u not uploading tennis
Another problem with ping: on your screen you are blocking your shield, on opponents (much higher ping then you) not yet. On their screen everything is normal, on your screen you get hit through your shield
This works both ways
Wouldn't you get hut reg if that happened
Pretty sure shield blocking is handled by the server, thus it should not be affected by client ping. It should rather be the other way around. The low ping player might have their shield blocked while the high player can't yet see it.
@@laserslime It happens both ways, high ping players can get hit through their shield because of server not activating it yet and they can hit someone without a shield up and find out their shield was up already and they had just not received the visual cue yet.
Yeah, that's why im also a 1.8 pvp main rather than 1.9 cuz its unplayable if your opponent has high ping.
so what you’re saying is that my australian ping is finally an advantage in something!????
yes
It’s Minecraft. Each version is cool in their ways
Tru
Mans sayin faxs
I like Education Edition 💀
Not the pre-alpha versions
@@itsmesean201 like all
Very good points. I have mained 1.9+ pvp for well over a year and there are pretty annoying issues, great video!
I'm so glad someone finally made this video about 1.9 pvp n ping.. I play alot of minemen, but lately been mainly playing 1.9 pvp the past few months, n tbh the more I play 1.9 the more I realize how nerfed it is, I can easily combo people below 75 to 80 ms, but when fight someone at 80 ms or above I can never combo them! I kinda did this exact experiment with my friend who's wifi is not good at the moment n it's close to impossible to combo them. It's true 1.9+ pvp takes alot of skill in pvp, there are so many game modes to master n learn, but I feel now people are just dissing 1.8 pvp saying it takes no skill which is not true, sure u have to spam click but people also gotta understand there's more to is beside spamming. There is alot of skill in both versions and there both nerfed in their own ways!
Yeah, like idk why ppl even sau that 1.8 PvP is not skill based, if it was just this easy, like just spam click and that's it then EVERY SINGLE person would be a god but that isn't true I've been playing 1.8 PvP for about 4 years now and I am ok at it but I still get absolutely demolished because I don't know some mechanics or techniques like there are some mechanics and techniques that you have to know/practice to actually become decent at it.
@@Moonator8 agreed my g
agreed
@@Moonator8That’s just not true, I can click up to 51 cps with drag clicking but I can still hit insane combos with just 5 cps. It’s all about strafing and sprint resetting, and I think 1.9 mains are super ignorant and don’t realize that cps is not the only thing in 1.8, but rather a meaningless excuse
BTW I have high ping (100-120ms) on most PvP servers, and I've played with high ping since I got into the game. It's definitely a way bigger advantage on 1.9+ PvP compared to 1.8/1.7
As someone who sometimes plays 1.9 PvP on school wifi, I can confirm this
I dont think 100ms is that high man.. try to play on servers where you have over 200ms. You wont be so sure about high ping advantage thingy.
@@TheSonamuTree I've played with 200 ping and it is an advantage
100 ms is low ping Australians always get 200+
@@elly256 cuz people you fight are garbage
Honestly man, I’m just hoping Mojang goes back to those pvp snapshots and finally comes up with something to satisfy both sides
im very confused why they haven't allowed us to enable legacy combat on worlds and servers its been 6 years
@@reeseon10 we got the bad timeline
@@reeseon10 they won't do it until their game dies. That is what kind of prick they are
@Duck tha Goat i think they stated that theyr not going to sadly. They said something like go to 1.8 if u like old pvp.
@@maeyshine mojang said they’re still doing the update, but because 1.18 and 1.19 were delayed they had to put the snapshot on pause for a bit. Besides they’re still ironing out kinks so that the combat system can be used for both Java and Bedrock for cross compatibility and to balance PvP and PVE
Banger video and also glad someone adressed ping issue as a sword main I cry on the inside when someone has above 100 ping
Those people in the beginning who said that 1.8 has no skill requirement...
i love how intel is the one out of all to explain everything to the entire community at once
Since we all know pvp is ping based (not completely) but 1.9 especially is because you have gamemodes like crystal, which give an unadvantage to higher ping players, since they can't place crystals fast enough in some situations. But high ping can also be a big advantage in 1.19 pvp because of the knockback you take and is useful in gamemodes such as sword. All things said, I'm glad you addressed these things about the future of pvo, great video.
The issue with 1.9 pvp is that ping is such a penalty. It's like a semi-auto rifle in battlefield. In sword if you use it good/you are lucky you destroy the other guy, otherwise you get flawless. Since you have to time your hits you can't just spam click and wish to have as much damage output as possible like on 1.8
@@SnowyRedstone fr bro, I don't hate 1.9 pvp, but I've played 1.8 for almost a year now, and I'm still not thr best. It's starting to get boring, do that's why I'm probably gonna make the switch to 1.9. But you are right, in gamemodes such as sword high ping players do have the advantage, because of their wierd knockback,making them very hard to combo. That's why your best chance in those kind of situations you have to either critspam combo or strafe around them.
Cw moment
i mean ya'll are acting like every player has a high amount of ping. Most comp players won't have high ping plus, talking about lag can be true for 1.8 as well. I think 1.9 is better because overall, it has more skill than clicking fast and pointing BY FAR
@@Tom_HopeCore 1.8 pvp isn't only clicking fast and aiming bruh
I am glad we have you in our pvp community. your content is much more different and professional than other content creators'
Amazing video with clear explanation and delivery of points!
The quality and in depth explanations are so nice. One of the best Minecraft TH-camrs out there honestly
agreeed
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@@Baggerz182 i will for letting someone like you come into this world
Ping is a very large issue in 1.9 I agree and was addressed very well in this video and to become a truly good 1.9 player you need to know how to overcome different pings, it is what can separate a t3 from a t2, you need to completely change your playstyle in order to counter it (and if done effectively makes you a more versatile player) but, whether you like it or not, it is a flawed feature that is here to stay so, in the nicest possible way, people just gotta deal with it lol. However this does allow ping spoofing where people deliberately raise their ping to gain an advantage which does really suck. Also, re timing of hits can almost completely counter high ms if done correctly, if you would like to watch this done effectively, i would recommend watching Vexaay Vs Kylaz, Vexaay is by far the best at doing this
People with high ping also have many disadvantages.
Loved this!
Great video! I play on a high ping on MCBE and the knockback seems consistent between me and lower-ping players.
Finally, another excuse to use when you get absolutely eviscerated in all pvp modes.
this was an amazingly educational video i ima nethpot player that plays with 50-120 ping players since netherite has reduced kb already its relly frustarting when someone can just crit spam me when im doing perfect spacing. Thank you for shining light on ping and how it is used in pvp i hope to make a vid like this very soon :)
That's how you play nethpot.
@@Rayvenns ayy its rayvens!
This is such a great video good job intel
amazing video man!
In 1.8 knockback scaling actually makes sense anddoesn't cause issues for competitive play (sure it's nice for combos without it on mmc, but in a competitive scenario the opponent would back out before it becomes relevant). In 1.9 tho it always annoyed me even on low ping since kb is already low enough.
Hello
I would like to say that the second test is kinda wrong considering you hit him again while he was in midair so he did not take the full kb amount. Video with great editing and good as always :)
that’s the point of the video
Bro did not listen to a single thing the guy said
Dude, great video!
Awesome vid as always
"1.8 is only spam clicking!!!1!1"
"1.19+ is only lagging on purpose to take less kb"
(better i make this clear that this is a joke)
Ive always said that the new combat system has very weird knock back
Banger video
first comment on verified TH-cam after 6 month!!!!
happy new year!
Crystal - High ping is a massive disadvantage (same with Cart)
Axe - High ping is a disadvantage
Sword - High ping is a slight advantage that scales with skill level (same with NethPot)
Greatest content creator of all time ✌🏼😎👍🏼
(And thanks for all the advice in almost every video you’ve done!)
This is very intressting I learned many things thank you for this
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Me :- how this is not possible
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Nice pfp!
my average pin is 2k 😈😈😈
This was pretty engaging and quite validating. I've been saying this has been an issue for years, and nobody believed me. Banger video, keep up the great work g.
I love how in depth your videos are 💖
Are u in twt? I saw u there before
@@moonwalkhi are you asking if I'm on Twitter? I am - @notJustaSadCat
@@JustaSadCat yes
In my opinion 1.8 is a better pvp system, because you have a quick fight and go on, while 1.9 and above look cooler, almost feels medival in a way, however its super annoying when you have to fight one guy for 4 hours because he just keeps running away and eating steaks (assuming you are not on a server of course)
minecraft calculates knockback relative to "motion" x, y and z not position x, y and z this also explains "knockback scailing". Also im pretty sure the ping threshold needed for "knockback reduction" will change depending on how the server calculates player position and motion, etc. usually it would be similar because there are normalized ways to deal with these values.
Elegantly and simply explained, good video intel.
Both are cool - 1.9 from time to time or for survival servers, 1.8 for competitive games and mini games.
it's good day when ideal uplouds
Intel, please do a video about "Tips and Tricks for Bridge Fights in Bedwars"
about the knockback
to put it in more technical terms, the vertical limit works differently on 1.9 than in 1.8:
- on 1.8 you take no additional vertical knockback after exceeding the vertical limit
- on 1.9 you take negative vertical knockback after exceeding the vertical limit
this is why knockback scaling is a thing on 1.9 but not 1.8
I have somewhere around 150ms on PvP legacy since I live on the opposite side of the globe relatively to where the server is hosted. That's really saddening but can be fun sometimes, when people get destroyed and start blaming my high ping (mostly they are right). People there sometimes don't hold themselves and say whatever they want. It seems that you can say literally anything in chat there and get away with it. And I really appreciate it.
I play pvp legacy where most people have over 90 ping and I always had a suspicion that ping had an effect when i tried to learn how to combo
Just wanted to say I watched you old 2021 fps boosting tutorial and I copied the settings and my fps went from 30 to 130. TYSM
OMG, you finally started uploading again! 🙏
FINALY A VID!!!
Bro when he said a potato laptop in brazil i felt like he was targgeting me xD,
amazing video!!
I always wondered why I hate fighting laggers so much, most people don't really have high ping on purpose it can vary from what device they are using to where they are located in the world but the unfortunate thing is there is nothing stopping people from abusing high ping
another reason why I like vanilla knockback (hypixel kb) it makes the kb totally random so everyone has a fair chance to combo
@@ToxicKrait hypixels knockback isnt vanilla its also modified a bit
@@altqd502 o
Idk if it's possible, but maybe a vanilla gamerule to set either 1.8, 1.9+, and maybe the new combat version. However it could effects a lot of mechanics including armor points, armor toughness, knockback resistance, crystal damage, and anymore; which make it very hard to have both combats in the same version.
You made it see like its very easy for high ping players but its not because when a low ping player hits a high ping player the high ping player take delayed kb due to which low ping player can get 2 hits in the time high ping player lands back and when the high ping player is hit he takes kb and is in the sir while the other player is on the ground and can move so to counter this high ping player need to have a really good aim so I think that creates a little skill difference
This video is literally sooooo good
"Look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of my power."
- *ashswag,* probably
This is also a big issue in Australia and other places where the lowest ping I can get is 110-120
there are australian 1.9 servers... did u want the ip to one?
oceprestige
now i dont want to ever see u on a non au server again
the new editing and vids are great even if they arent coming out so fast. keep up the good work
no way, intel edits uploaded yoo!!!
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very well explained
Ty u r explaining more than my teacher
Wow, I finally understand why when I play in my country I rarely take knockback, guess there aren’t many servers in Asia
3:17 "you're on a potato computer in brazil." that hurt me a little :c
Omg he uploaded finally
Heyy!!! Intel!! Big fan bro.
I think this is a good point for one factor, but there is a lot more
wow, i didnt even know about this. thanks for informing the com again :)
I agree with everything you said in the video, although I must say that being in the air longer because of higher ping can still be a bad thing.
In crystal pvp (one of the most popular categories of 1.9+ pvp), the main attack is called hit-crystal, which is basically hitting your opponent in the air and then crystalling below their feet. Meaning if a player has a higher ping, therefore staying longer in the air, the attacker has more time to crystal below their feet, meaning the player with the higher ping has a bigger chance to lose if they get hit-crystalled.
I try to ignore the fact that some servers have their knowback like weird but at the same time neither way I’m just like my self
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my experience on pvp legacy truly resonate with this vid. being aussie, my ping on legacy is 250. im axe main and i wanna be dueling good players out there, but they usually sword spam me after a shield break as taking advantage of my ping. every 2 hits i get a reduced kb, causing me unable to time my pcrits within a sufficient time frame and just dies. now i know to not rely on pcrit on high ping
tl;dr: the reduced kb make pcrits more difficult to time for the pinger
Also don't forget the fact that people could be somewhere different on their side of the screen compared to the server which can cause missed hits and then the other person can use that.
@@user-827JJJJJJefjkjen9llwn People with really bad ping could tp when you swing making you miss a hit
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great vid
I guess I've always considered facing laggy players as another aspect that comes with learning 1.9 pvp (kinda like sword, axe, crystal, etc). Learning the mechanics of why it is so was rather interesting tho. All in all, nice vid :)
Video is clean thouughhh
I’ve tried and enjoyed bedrock edition pvp. What I love is how the hits only go up and not much out. This is much better imo, as i’ve fought 300+ pingers on bedrock, and all that was really affected was trades, although the low ping experience was obviously smoother. In the cts, high ping is mainly a disadvantage, because even if the hits stack and you take reduced knockback, you can hit them faster again, or tap s so the reduced knockback doesnt break the combo and then switch to the trident to get more reach and catch the combo. 1.8’s biggest downside is default knockback dealing too much kb to hold
long combos, and minemen knockback having flyers all the time.
0:35 aha i see what u did there :p
Plz do a vid on bedrock PvP. It’s the best of both worlds and has its own unique features (like how implanting on trident can apply to players in water or rain) or how shields will bounce players back when hit.
OMG a New video lets goooooooooooooooo !
I believe it’s fine even if you don’t take as much knock back cause as a 100+ ms player I know how horrible it is to play when your opponent is just tp ing all around you so that advantage kind of matches out
As soon as u said PING i got a big smile on my face
i have a question about ping because I live in asia and most big servers are in na or eu so if I was to use a VPN to move closer to the where the server is hosted will it lower the ping so if I were to use a VPN to change my location to the US would I have lower ping?
I just want to add something to what you said in 7:09 you also need to take Mojang's original planning for creating minecraft, They did not intend it to be a pvp based game so that's why it's there, it was more of a PVE based game originally and that's why they probably changed the combat system
Yooo this shouldve been a video about doly!
"Let's try worst case scenario. So like,
*you're on a potato laptop in Brazil* "
I am SO mad because you are SO right about it, god damn it
"1.8 is just spam clicking"
and that's the fun of it
1.7 supremacy.
crazy vid. plus, can you tell me the pack ? it's looks like vanilla + but the swords are much shorter. Either way, good vid, thank you for showing people the pros of high ping on 1.9
edit: found the pack. But still, awesome vid!
sharpness has a really nice cape
i need to say something important i had a ping over 200 and a guy with a ping 400 its hard to fight if the ping if they were little bit high when he dosent take knockback
Hey intel, are the clicks on the super light lighter than the clicks on the normal g pro?
Hey Intel, great editing, and I enjoyed this video a lot. Just wanted to say, if you could ever make a video on the Combat Test Snapshots, (CTS) that'd be greatly appreciated by the CTS Community. (CTS is basically dead right now, and losing popularity)
CTS good
@@profx33 eyy prof
i kind of feel like he was just insulting high ping players for no reason when he was explaining how the kb scales. he also didn't say any of the absolutely awful things high ping players have to deal with like being disconnected or being insulted for having high ping on a sweaty server.
nice meating you on mc pvp club :)
Ashwag watching this video: nice
How often will the uploads get?