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Imagine a police lineup where ten witnesses are asked to identify a bank robber they glimpsed fleeing the scene. If six of them pick the same person, there’s a good chance that’s the culprit. And if all ten do, you might think the case is rock solid. But sometimes, the closer you start to get to total agreement, the less reliable the result becomes. Derek Abbott explains the paradox of unanimity.
Lesson by Derek Abbott, animation by Brett Underhill.
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its like when you're taking a test and a question seems so easy that you worry that you're doing it wrong.
or when ur taking a multiple choice test and 5 answers in a row are C
+Cool Dude omg please stop it! I wonder if the guy making the test was satan :P
I love how when you talk about situations where unanimous agreements are inedible and there is a sign that says "Who wants Ice Cream?"
Blueconroy
Blueconroy I know right so true
I feel so sad for all of the people who are imprisoned because they were falsely accused
ditto
+Neil Kee Thats why you get Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth on the job instead
And that's why I disagree with the death sentence
+Allday SCIENCE Dude, your channel it's a clear ripoff of AsapSCIENCE's format, only with less quality.
+Christoffer113 it's definitely not the main reason I oppose the death penalty but actually the amount of times the wrong person is sentenced is surprisingly high. Different studies range from about 2-10% of convictions are wrong. Even 2% seems high as far as I'm concerned. At the end of the day I don't think anyone has the right to take another's life.
"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"
-Mark Twain
+monkeyo Archon
"Sex, drugs & rock 'n' roll!"
- Winston Churchill
+monkeyo Archon
"get laid, get paid, lemonade"
Abraham Lincoln
"Fuck bitches and get high
-Mohandas Gandhi
+Job J tomorrow is 4/20
+Irving Ceron Reflecting does not equal overthrowing.
In this particular case, I'd come to the conclusion that I really do not like getting raped and do not want anybody else to be raped, therefore my stance is legitimate.
That Saddam election was hilarious. The person who was in charge of releasing the news said in the press conference "I told the president that we should say the votes were not 100% but 98% or 99% to seem more believable. The president said 'no' let the true numbers show the results." And honestly, he was right. People that voted "No" ended up dead or missing limbs. My family was required to vote, as was everyone, but they left it blank. The person reading the results ended up saying "Yes" anyways. Got to love a dictatorship.
+Kamel, K It's on the internet, it must be true. Btw, what government systems do you think in the world now truly using the voting to decide? don't make me laugh pls
+Kamel, K yes, im implying it. and no, i dont intent to troll. i want to discuss, so dont take personal and just answer my question
*****
Okay then. No government in the world has been voted democratically. But in their defense, apart from old Greek times, no government has. However, if you are trying to compare a dictator giving you a slip with "Yes/No" on it to actual voting process in the West. You are sorely mistaken. Because while you don't have much control over government, you still voted to elect congressmen. Which sort of makes you feel good without really making a difference. And I shall end this with I was just sharing a story. Not trying to discuss the legitimacy of voting everywhere. (Personally, I think people are chosen to lead from the ages before 10 and carved into the leaders they need to be by whomever actually runs the world. Person or organization.)
+Kamel, K see? voting doesn't change shit unless it affects right ones. let's make an example, ok not 100%, but what if 95% of the population decide to vote for saddam, and you in the group of 5% not vote for saddam. so what do you think what other sides thinking about others? like the 95% will think "we are the majority, you should follow us" the 5% "the election is bs" and in the end, it doesnt change anything. now the right ones as i said early are, in this case, super power foreign countries, right? they saw the opportunity and they took it. and do they vote? in your voting? to decide what ways to govern your country? no, fucking no. why would they do that? remember, voting doesnt do shit. It's just an illusion. so in my opinion, just get rid of the voting example in this video because it doesnt make sense
+Patrick Vu You seem to have an entirely incorrect understanding of how the voting process works. I just feel sorry for your defeatist attitude.
my history teacher talked about this in class. He told us he was walking home one night and he saw a silhouette of a man on as he crossed a bridge. Now this man had been reported missing and the last time he was seen was him going to that bridge. So my history teacher went to the police and said he'd seen a man. They then asked him if the man was wearing a ski mask, as he was wearing that the last time he was seen by anyone else. My teacher tried to picture to man again, and this time he pictured him with a ski mask. He was about to tell the police that he was wearing one, when he realised that he was probably imagining it, so he told them he didn't know.
Yeah, most people will change their own memory in response to the idea of new information, it's why the police shouldn't have asked if he was wearing a ski mask but instead they should've asked either what he was wearing.
@@feartheghus Yea that police officer really screwed the question.
@@_sky_3123 Maybe they wanted to see if he remembered the mans looks, so they asked a ridiculous question to test his memory.
@@feartheghus police coax people all the time
@@toomuchtime4896 the problem is tho, that by saying that they ruin the memory of the teacher.
If you compare the stories of two people questioned in relation to a crime and the stories match up perfectly, with no variance, nor difference in details, then you wouldn't conclude they must be telling the truth. Quite the opposite, you'd realized they had colluded and rehearsed every detail.
Perfection in a messy world should be met with skepticism.
Not really, and it seems you missed the point of the video. It depends entirely on the level of detail in the stories and the questions, and how involved the people were in the situation.
There was an incident at work many years ago, that annoying required written witness statements. I was not a witness, but neither of the two witnesses were literate in English. Suffice to say, two identical written witness statements were handed in. Possibly written by me who wasn't even there. :p
Yea that makes a lot of sense... it reminds me a case in the ace attoney game, I mean license plate number, number of persons, who remembers that?
Gecko o What was the name of the case? Or what was it about?
@@Posby95 crime
Flat earther: Is the earth flat?
Literally everyone: No
Flat earther:
Funny.
Of course the hard fact of earth being round/flat is like the apple and the banana in the video
The fact that there are flat earthers actually makes the case safe.
@@user-mz7cn9hq8v That video was really convincing!
Edit (since the comment was removed): there was a video that would supposedly prove earth is flat, but it was actually a rick roll :)
@@benurm2390 thanks! Waiting to convert more people! :)
@Sophia Lam good for you! :)
Btw enjoy the song in the end
The woman working at the swab factory didn't really understand how 'verification and testing' was supposed to be done.
+Benjamin Wilde I dunno whether I should be laughing or angry with her
Pham Huy Anh I'm pretty sure she didn't actually contaminate them by sticking the swabs in her ear, as shown in the video. She probably grabbed a group of them from the top with bare hands and palm sweat must have stuck. If this is the case, then it's not that funny; so I guess you should be angry with her.
+Kathryn Mercier Yeah but to be so nasty as to put them back is just awful
She probably actually commited those crimes.
Chandir She probably used them swab sticks! 'Er nasty ass psychopath.
Basically, he is saying that if the results do not align with the probability of a certain situation, there is most likely more to the situation than meets the eye.
+1
I think "for a large enough sample size" is important too
Or in simple terms, don't follow the crowd
+
Glad to see people using proper logic in this thread.
if you wanna identify the criminal in the lineup, just make them sing "I want it that way" by the backstreet boys
“Number 5, he’s the one that killed my brother”
best
Oh no
?
Tell me whyyyy?
An example of the unanimous witnesses with false accuracy can be that on the day of a crime, the criminal wore a checkered shirt and thick rimmed glasses. Then when it comes to the day of the police line up, an innocent unlucky lad so happened to wear a checkered shirt and glasses as well, while the true criminal took off his glasses and wore something completely different, he could even have gotten a haircut by then as well. The 10 witnesses with only catching a glimpse of the crime, then all solidly believe the culprit they are pointing at matches the person they saw on the day of the crime, when in reality, their subjection has been distorted because of appearance.
+NX berry
is that legit? I doubt hipsters robbed any banks recently, that's _waaaaay_ too mainstream.
*****
unless to wear a plaid one, and, I guess, Kamina shades?
That has nothing to do with whether it is a unanimous agreement or not
"That has nothing to do with whether it is a unanimous agreement or not" the entire video has nothing to do with unanimous agreement and everything to do with unconsidered assumptions. Such as the assumption that your judgement is accurate or merely free of systemic errors. You should consider results suspect regardless of whether or not they are unanimous, especially since decent con-men won't use unanimous results. Instead, you'll get a "close" election 60-40. It's all the same if the outcome is independent of public opinion.
I think a more probable example is, if there is one person in the lign-up that maybe looks less trustworthy. Our brains unconsciously "asses" how trustworthy someone looks and act accordingly.
For example, people with asymmetry in their faces seem less trustworthy. There are also racial biases and lots more.
This channel deserves an Oscar.
Nah, Oscar deserves Ted-ed.
+Vũ Hải Sơn lol
True
or even a valuable prize...
Yeah!
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Pick a number.
Was it between 1 and 9? Why didn't you choose 10 or 4567? Showing people a lineup causes the same problem. You think you must choose between these, so your memory alters itself and you may end up choosing an innocent man.
6
Zero! I chose you!
Pi
Good
This is similar to a fallacy (i forgot what it was called). Where you only choose options and decisions based on what is only shown to you
"Do not take refuge in the false security of consensus" Christopher Hitchens
Any time I see a comment with the words "Christopher Hitchens" in it, I'm duty-bound to give it a Like.
When I was working as a waitress in high school I was sent to a course about what to do if the club was held up or robbed and one of the things the cop drilled into us is to NEVER talk to other witnesses at the scene of the crime. Go away quietly and write down what you remember right at that second free from anyone else's opinions. NO matter how unhelpful or scattered it might seem at the time.
Humans tend to come together after a scary event to come to a group decision about what happened and what people look like and in the confusion and adrenaline it is often wrong. People that didn't get a good look might get so vocal about what they think they saw that someone who had a good detailed look might change their own story and begin insisting that they saw something they didn't.
If everyone can pick out the same person in a lineup and they all talked beforehand- it is highly likely they arrived at a group decision on what the attacker looked like and aren't relying on their own memories.
I already had trust problems. thank you for making me distrust everyone
Me too😁
+Hasse Mees Now if anyone calls me schizo i'll show them this video :P
Me too I have rlly big trust issues not much in real life but so much in games literally this was a conversation in a game where u can kill but it’s not the aim
Me: don’t kill me pls
Other guy: don’t worry come I’ll give u a good sword
Me: *runs*
Other guy: *askes someone else*
*they accept*
Other guy: *gives sword*
Me: 😡😡😡
oh you're so special
Sounds like a personal problem.
Its hard to entirely disagree with a video that tells you to be skeptical. If you agree, great, you agree. If you disagree, you are being skeptical, so you must agree to some extent.
+KWG - I agree, to some extent. =)
So the video itself, is a paradox?
Ah, but if you agree, you should be skeptical of the video. It is a paradox.
@@zooli2068 i’m a little skeptical about that
*sceptical
I remember back in like....2014? Maybe early 2015? There was a gated community or something who had like some major crime committed, like a robbery or something. And they all basically claimed the one black man living in the community was the one who did it. He was arrested...but then sometime later someone came forward and told who really did it, and how basically the entire town knew or they got everyone to go along with it. It was fucking crazy, but this makes me see that in a new light...
+Bla Blah seriously?!
Sean Fronteras Yeah it was on the news for awhile. I want to say it occurred in Texas, but Idk. All I know is the little community had one black resident and whatever happened they blamed it on him, and had it not been for the one good person who stepped forward, he'd probably still be in jail. People are so cruel.
+Bla Blah people are crap bags, not all, but damm some are just shitlords
It was his own fault. White people are moving to these gated communities to get away from "diversity".
Somehow, it reminds me of 'Les Miserables' novel
wow! this could be a good idea for writing a thriller.
write one now! I'd be happy to read it
ever checked "Twelves angry men"? tis a movie about why consensus could have lead to death of a falsely accused. It took only one to question that consensus to induce a doubt in the other.
Pls go with the old version if you want to check it, tis an old black and white masterpiece.
Kronn Writers all here 😂
Well actually, unreliable unanimity already is in movies a lot.
Most cliched case: horror films. (Yes I saw it, no it's impossible)
You should check out Rashomon.
this happens to me a lot, for example:taking a test and the question is so easy that u think the answer is wrong or taking multiple choice questions and getting like the same letter for like 4 times in arrow so u start thinking that some of the answers must be wrong
once a teacher was asking true or false, and they all seemed true, so I put a few random falses in there... and it turned out all the statements were true xD
Andyy Covers, that happened to me once, it's not bad but it test ur judgement to trust
Good jop copying someone else
The law of truly large numbers
*a row
So I guess we shouldn't believe the amount of people that liked this video.
Lol😂😂😂
+AllHaiLKINGTIsHeRe3 No because few people disliked it
+AllHaiLKINGTIsHeRe3 The video is not unanimous. Just look the bar that people dislike.
#HAHA
+AllHaiLKINGTIsHeRe3 If a video has 100% likes, something is fishy
We are more likely to like a crappy comment that has hundreds of likes, rather than a good comment with 3 or 4 likes, right?
SOO DAMN TRUE!!!!!
MelodyFluff That's why I'm liking this comment.
I have wrote so many good comments in the past on other unrelated videos and none of them got over 5 likes if any at all, while the top comment was something like "To the person scrolling through the comment, have a nice day! :)" or "This comment will be lost".
Unfortunately TH-cam's (and other social platforms) algorithms push comments with a high number of likes to the top of the comments section
MelodyFluff Agreed, although highly liked comments gain more likes since they have so many likes and are high in the comment section resulting in exponential growth of likes due to being seen by more people. I know what you mean though ;)
“Does history record any case in which the majority was right?”
Robert A. Heinlein
Time Enough for Love (1973)
Exactly
cool
+Евгений Фуко That, is a brilliant thought.
***** A lot of our history based on such idiotic concepts majority believed, poeple can not fly, temperature transfer with "invisible caloric fluid", most scientist had a consensus about civilization growing plants on Uranus, and we did fine, and a lot of barbaric civilization with weird concepts about life did fine too, until we destroyed them, just consider what type of world view Eskimo people have, or cargo cults in Africa in present day, people survive no matter what, we adapt, there is even tribes with inbreeding culture, they all have same genetic illnesses, wild and difficult to manage set of rules, they dance to cause rain, they can be killed by relatives for disobeying gods, there is all kind of crazy traditions and objectively wrong laws
ules\traditions, humans are awesome we manage to be happy sometimes no matter what
+Евгений Фуко Well, democracy is just putting representatives on papers. What is meaningful is the way you count them.
A good way would be to give order to the lists (+0, +1, +2,...) and summing up will take the least hatable politician on the job.
A better way would be to weight your vote according to your actual knowledge of the candidate and the chair he wants. But, let's face it, we can't quantify that.
Though, I'm also convinced that everything ends up evening out because politicians lack ideas, they need to observe and copy what others do.
"Just because everyone's doing it, doesn't make it right." -my thought, 2016
Norkhadijah Latip wowowoow
BUT WHO WAS IT?!
Yeah Sure It was John Smith
The banana on the far left, duh.
Giles Corey
It was him I think
@@Caboose4859 No, do you have any proof? I was LO and YOU visited the bank at night.
okay but can Ted please explain why I always get chills or creeps when I watch their videos????
I get creeps too! It's so weird
Me too.
Ted can't explain why *you* / *we* feel like that.
I suppose it's got to do with the sounds they use. (And/or the narrator's calmness vs. the topic's severity.)
Same here
Same. Those eyes and silhouettes drive me crazy🤣
Reminds me of a (sorta) joke: What do you call a situation in which everyone agrees with each other? Fascism.
Facing that in India.
@@theawantikamishra true words.
@@tanujasharma4975 Sadly yes
Fake-ism
@@theawantikamishraAs an Indian I agree sadly :(
I feel like it has something to do with nationalism.
Idk but it just feels that way.
This is a pretty sad but true story. So I had this cousin who had stomach problems for a couple of years but his parents didn't really see it as a big problem (assuming it was just poisoned food)so, they never checked on it. After my cousin got to the point it was crucial, his parents finally takes action and asked his mother's aunt. This aunt had a theory that he's going to be okay and asked 10 people (which one of them was a really smart doctor my father knew) and 3 people including the smart doctor said it was false. Since 7 people believed it, the parents believed it too but turns out the following week it got worse and my cousin died. (Also, till this day they never know what the cause was) So, I'm never going to believe that if something has a more votes than other it's the true/better option until I see the facts.
Its 1:30 AM why am I watching TedEd videos
Gogo inc. 12:30
It's 4:32 am and I'm watching TedED
haha om still up watching it.
it is amazing.
Gogo inc. 5 31am
HAHAH IM 13 AND STILL UP WAIT THIS A RUBBISH
Man gotta love how these people end their videos with some catchy dialogue...
My fav part of these vids are the last phrase and the end credit song
0:06
I don’t care how much evidence there is to disprove it but Number 6 definitely did it, just look at that smile!
I forget the one in liar game, but it’s the effect of uncertain people settling with more confidant answerer answers. Then by the time it gets to the people confidant with the other answer they think all these other people can’t be wrong. It’s very important to know what YOU believe and WHY you believe it.
*confident - a 'confidant' is someone you confide in
It witnessed a hit-and-run once. We were three who saw it. While waiting for the police to arrive we talked about it - as one would. So it was quite hard for me to "unsee" what the others had seen when giving my statement.
I recall a social experiment that included a "robbery. Outside a studio, a line of people stood outside. A man holding a purse being chased by another man ran by. The man chasing the "robber" screamed for them to stop him. Later, when the people in line were asked to describe the robber, most ended up describing the chaser.
I saw something like that on tv.
Swatting...
You realise that people aren't allowed to communicate in a police line up for this exact reason
There could still be an inherent flaw that has nothing to do with communication.
For example, let's assume that they do a police line-up in which the real robber is not present, and the real robber was a tall white male. If they have a lineup of 10 people, only 1 of which is a tall white male, witnesses might falsely identify that person as the robber.
^ unfortunately systemic problems like this are made even more powerful by people finding false solutions (or in this case, seeing a solution for a similar but diferent problem) and believing the problem is no longer there.
This kind of problem is in every part of our lives from the most trivial to the most important matters and fallacies are everywhere...
Fancy Bird Exactly! Wouldn't the witnesses' choice be independent of each other? Witnesses don't discuss and decide beforehand. Nor do they choose in front of each other(no peer pressure).
The only reason a 100% identification might be incorrect, would be because of bias in the lineup.
And witnesses can't do much about that. They can't pick a (say)woman when the bank robber was clearly a man, even if not the correct man.
If there's a bias in the lineup, the police are discreetly at fault and since they're the ones making a final decision, there's nothing a witness can do about it.
Counter arguments are welcome.
Our brains unconsciously "asses" how trustworthy someone looks and we act accordingly.
people with asymmetry in their faces seem less trustworthy. or take racial biases..
maybe the person was nervous and couldn't sleep all night. Now he looks like a mess and more suspicious, but is actually innocent
2:46 "Accidently contaminated"
Reminds me of the saying, "If everyone is thinking the same thing, someone is not thinking.
Forever afraid to swab.
True
If anything you should be less afraid to swab now since the probability of some contamination letting you off the hook is higher now that you're aware of this incident. At least according to another ted ed video.
Alice the Mad Rabbit read that as soon as he talked about it.
I remember the test where all correct answers was "C", so good and unconfident students were suspicious and get worse score than usual.
I would ask each one of them to sing "I want in that way"
Test:If John has 3 apples, and Mary has 4, how many apples are there?
Me after watching Ted-Ed: Easy it's seve- waitaminute...
the horses' name was apple
John has 3 apples (Ok 3 apples), and Mary has 4 (He has a number 4) how many apples are there- OK, so we are going to need dates, locations- possible other people in the area. I dare find out one of them grew an apple tree or ate a god damn apple after this statement was taken!
It's not known if they share any apples,three of Mary's apples could be John's, adding up to 4 apples
I think most of this is a scenario when you are able to know what other people are choosing.
i remember watching a show testing how easily people's memories can be swayed and make them believe something that wasn't true. like they witnessed a tall man with a purple shirt robbing someone. then someone told them it was a short man with a red shirt, and most would agree, thinking that really did happen. and in a group the more people agreeing the rest agreed too.
What is the name of the show?
@@nadinejaikat4897 3-24-22
Brain Games. I think.
The original one, that is. Not the new one.
tl;dr
Do your own research, don't let others tell you what the "facts" are.
Ironic be cause you tldr(ed) this
So Steph Curry shouldn't have been unanimous MVP?
nope lebron should have
+paul milsap Did you see Curry in the regular season? Saying that he was the most valuable player is as easy as distinguishing apples and bananas. The unanimity there shouldn't be a surprise.
WreckNRepeat but that boi is unclutch as i know what
paul milsap You know that we're talking about the regular season, right?
WreckNRepeat yeah but curry got his ass carried
This is an old video, but as a Detective, understand that we don't allow any witness or victim to see or know who another witness/victim is picking out of a lineup. Lineups are not like on TV where the people stand in a room. They are pictures of six people on sheet of paper that all similar characteristics (skin color, hair color/length/type of style, all have to have glasses or no glasses, jewelry or no jewelry, etc). The Witness/Victim then circles in red ink the person they pick, write their initials beside it and sign and date the bottom with a brief statement of 'this is the apple that stole my banana".
I'm really curious - who was the actual culprit of the case in the very beginning? Every witness chose no. 2, but since we shouldn't trust unanimous decision, then who was the real bank robber? I know it's not the point of this video, but I need to know! щ(゜ロ゜щ)
It was you :P
Nicolás Hurtado I KNEW IT
+RafiRaffee IT'S JOHNNNNNN CENAAAAAAAAAAAA!
+RafiRaffee Numer 2 did in fact go to jail and was made as a solid example for the classic case of unanimous decision.Deciding weather or not number 2 was guilty at the time was left to the court to choose which ruled in favor of the unanimity. One may never know the fate of the real killer. Today, he might be hiding among us :x
Your mom
I think that the problem si more of "actual results" versus "expected results". Usually, (in experiments with more than "yes' or "no" answers), the results follow a so-called "normal distribution" (Gauss bell). If the results are too spread out, something is wrong. But if the results are "too consistent", then something is at least dubious.
I just found your channel and I'm so happy because it is all so interesting and I feel like your animations really compliment your lessons and make me understand them better :) thanks!
So, the haters(41 dislikes atm) are making this video better than the ones that liked this video
Yes because we expect to see some variance. Therefore we should be worried if there no dislikes on this video
“If everybody is going in the same direction then that is the wrong way to go”. Paraphrase from Earl Nightingale when visiting New York being stuck in traffic. He instructed the cab driver to go in a different direction and arrived at his destination quicker than those of his group that had gone with the flow of traffic in their respective cabs.
So the paradox is we strive for perfect unanimity yet suspect when it actually occurs.
+sushmita mukherjee Welcome to being human.
Koala guy totally wins!!
Hands down. My money was on him the whole time.
Who?
No one tell him!
N. D. 0:38
If I flip a coin I expect 0% head :\
i always get 0% of the head ;-(
i'm never gonna get head ;(
dear god
I will give you head.
@@mon-coeur pls dont
"The opinion of the majority is not the final proof of what is right." - Schiller
It's unbelieveable how much i've learnt from these Ted-Ed Videos👌
Sir Gr really likes to eat, he likes it so much that he was called Gr-eat. Isn't that great?!
I pronounced Gr as Gur not gruh so it didn't seem that cool.
saint7502 .
1:37 I distrust this coin with my very soul
I love the ideas you bring out... Thank you for making such great animations based on such great ideas...
That's why I say the majority is usually wrong.
yup.
+Avis Mercurii This video is not claiming the majority is wrong. Its claiming that unaminity is flawed. There is a very important distinction between majority and unaminity.
+Tamal Paul I know
+Avis Mercurii Yet you still wrote a completely irrelevant comment to tell the world that you're different and that the majority is wrong and you are right.
+Samuel Degueldre TH-cam is full of irrelevant comments. And when did I ever say I was right? I've been wrong plenty of times too.
After seeing the title, I immediately remembered my classification bot passing its tests by 100%.
I had never been so worried as much before.
This channel never fails to remind me how little I know
In this case, unanimity is subject to question if the 10 witnesses are interviewed together which would allow social pressures to influence decisions. However, if each of the 10 is interviewed independent of the others (not allowing for social pressure contamination) and we still come to a consensus, then of course 10 is far greater than 6!
One of my favorite movies about unanimity and going against it is 12 Angry Men. (Spoilers if you haven't seen it watch it) The movie starts in a court case and shows the twelve male jury members leaving to discuss the fate of the defendant. At the first the case seems open and shut to them, all the evidence points to him being guilty so eleven of the jury are in agreement that the defendant is guilty, some more confident and some less about the decision. But one man goes against their choice and isn't sure about the decision. And the rest of the movie shows all the evidence of the case and explains logistics of each item and how it all means the man couldn't have committed the crime, and it ends.
This taught me a valuable lesson about going against the crowd and trusting my own instincts even when it's not convenient, it's just moral.
I LOVE TED ED! Thanks for making such amazing videos!
I can listen to this guy talk all my life, his voice is just so satisfying and suits so well with this type of videos😂
The art/animation is great on these!
Who else wants to see Koala Guy vs Space Rock Star an actual movie
Yummy Potatoe me
WHO WANTS FRENCH FRIES!!!! (contains yum)
(sorry, but you're too yummy.)
Great job on the morphing suspects shot Mr. Underhill. Shape hints were the way to get shots like that done in vector back in the day within Flash, and they were such a pain. Loved all the Sid Bass influence too. ; )
This channel is amazing. Thank you for existing ☺️
This narrator needs to do a documentary. Best I've heard in a long time.
I wonder if the police take this phenomenon into consideration when witnesses identify suspects in lineups.
+Kyle Amoroso Statistics applied in real life by non-mathematicians? It'd be a dream come true. Not to say that nobody does it, but I think it's considerably lower than 1% of policemen who do that.
+Kyle Amoroso With most cases the killer is someone the police know.
+Kyle Amoroso Most police forces have some forms of quality control to ensure that people don't mistakenly pick the wrong suspect in a line-up. Usually, this is things like telling the witness that the actual culprit _may not_ be in the line-up, or by ensuring that the line-up is diverse. Ie, making sure that you don't have one guy with some distinguishing factor as people often pick the odd-one-out as the suspect.
Generally speaking though, most police line-ups wouldn't have ten witnesses picking a suspect; it'd usually only be one or sometimes two so the uninamity aspect wouldn't really be noticable
+The Real Mr Robot Don't you mean 'isn't diverse'?
"by ensuring that the line-up -is-_isn't_ diverse."
12 Angry Men?
+UchihaDualStorm To be fair, that was the point. He was created to show a person, who believes there are better stuff for him to do, and he will do what society thinks he should without thinking of repercussions . This also shows the problems with democratic voting, because some people will vote with their reason being 'just because'.
P.S. I accidentally deleted my original comment because I wanted to changed something but I missclicked.
Jignerd Saw Well yeah, all of them represented different kinds of people. Some would have the kid killed cause he is poor, some cause they want revenge on their son. What i think is the reason i hate him the most, and you can hear this reason sometimes: is that both good and evil men hate those who are neutral the most. You might have heard something similar.
Heh, hell i'll rewatch this movie soon, i got into a rewatch mood anuway, watching Troy and Terminator 2 today on my day off.
UchihaDualStorm Having a day off is like the second coming of Jesus, but multiple times a year. You should always cherish them.
+johnny chang inb4 that guy just mindfucked them all into letting a criminal loose
Red Mage928 We found a witch! May we burn her?
are memories are so bad that even little things like words in a case can dramatically effect are memories like how saying smash in a car accident makes people remember glass flying out when there wasn't any
I'm actually studying the differences in vision, optical illusions, and the mistakes our memories can make in my forensic science class this week! We saw this in practice in today's lesson. We all agreed on something that wasn't right because the teacher implied it.
Well I’d say this all depends on the context: Are witnesses called in all at the same time? Are they influenced by past witnesses that way? Is the police pushing a number subconsciously by stating the ones number differently or asking if they’re sure it wasn’t B instead. If we take 10 witnesses and free from all that side manipulation we also swap the sequence in which the suspects are placed in, we can greatly improve the odds of accuracy. We might still tend to remember a person being the big scary guy with the tatoo if we only had a glimpse but by asking preliminary questions before exposure to the suspects, one can again, free from bias that might be a muscular tattooed guy, evaluate what exactly they’ll base their recognition on, like “definitely blonde hair” or “at least 1m90” or “completely shaved”
respect for the people who disliked this. It would have been suspicious if no one disliked this
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I think Unanimity works best when you don't know what the other people/judges are going for. Deliberations are important for a middle ground and a more fine-tuned verdict but I think one of the best raw data is the untainted first judgment of each judge/people without the influence of others. So, 10 people being in separate rooms and picking the same suspect is more reliable than 10 people being in one room and agreeing on who the suspect is!
Kinda sus how everyone is just agreeing with this video 🤔
The last two lines sums it all up
Also of note is that if a group is logically or at least intuitively certain about something and end up being wrong, it isn't necessarily a bad strategy just because they were wrong.
Like poker, just because you have every reason to believe a particular assumption and get it wrong doesn't mean your thinking was flawed.
I thought this was going to be more about 'if everyone says one thing then others will agree just to fit in, and make the decision seem unanimous'
In my mind, I think we shouldn't depend on unanimous decisions. Majority might sound right or dependable but on the other side, things can go wrong, we are unique in our own ways and each of us has different level of Intelligence, Creativity, the Luck, and other capabilities that youre mostly dominant of. Anyone gets my point?
I am being bullied at my college . Everyone calls me the bad guy. Teachers instead of sensing that there decision is baised believes them to be true. cheers to their foolishness
That’s horrible I hope it worked out.
*their decision - you got 'their foolishness' right, so why not that?
*biased
You are an awesome channel keep up the good work! You tell soooo many truths!
I guess Among Us is an example of this.
This is why detective skills are good if they are willing to listen to you. You can make a good unanimous decision, unless the real impostor is clever to frame someone.
Me when I’m taking a multiple choice test and get B seven times in a row: *chuckles* I’m in danger.
I learn so much from this channel.
I am addicted to these animations.
why would I agree if the mass agrees on one thing? it might be best for them but not for me, they might like one thing but I would like something else, they would do the same thing but I prefer to do it a diffrent way, they try to choose from left to right but I prefer to go around it. why should I trust the social norm if my gut feeling tells me to do it anyways? why should I please others by pretending something I'm not? how can I learn if I keep following what others think is right? I need to fail for me to learn something I don't need someone telling what's logical and what is not what is right from what is wrong what is best and what is not. I know what I want I know what's best for me, just incase I did something wrong I let it be but atleast i learned something from my own mistakes by my own decisions and in the end if I succeed I take all the glory or if I fail there's nobody I can blame but myself.
because there is always some idiot who will dislike an awesome video XD
Because he doesn't want to go with the majority
41 for some reason
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+Anon Iman you would expect there to be something wrong if 100% of likes where positive.
FreakWithGun Did I said something to hurt your feeling?
There's also the fact that people tend to follow the group. Sometimes even as far as agreeing to something that is obviously wrong just because everybody else did it.
Because if everybody else says something different, it makes you doubt your own judgement, and you're more likely to just agree with the group.
Great video. Made me remember the movie "12 angry men".
0:11 why is number 6 smiling
Either he's obviously guilty or he really enjoys being accused of crimes.
And still, is is somewhat expected from us to fall in line every time they tell us that there is a consensus about xyz.
That's a powerful emotional tactic because we've evolved to go along with the majority. See the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes "
Great lessons there's many life applications of that
Very intersting knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with most of that stuff, but I'm not sold on the criminal lineup part. I mean I guess you could look at if the suspected chosen had the same number each time or not, as well as if the the witnesses had any way of telling each other what number they chose. This could cause that problem. Other than that I don't see how a unanimous choice could be made from errors in memory. Most likely the errors would only affect some witnesses, and those that did make mistakes would choose different people. Is that the point you are trying to make though, that the lineup may not have been conducted properly? If so I agree. I still think a unanimous decision is possible though.
Because personal bias or societal based bias could fill in the gaps. Essentially, someone in the line up who "looks guilty" to you while matching some of the features stored in memory would become who you claim did it.
Eye witness testimony is notoriously inaccurate and bad, yet is often held as some of the strongest evidence by a jury, so much so that it can often be valued more than physical evidence that proves innocence.
duo1666 I understand all that, but I still don't see that 10/10 witnesses could all pick the not only the wrong guy, but the same wrong guy because of that.
Mitch Burns Because memory is inherently flawed, and biases have sway. If 10/10 pick the same person, then either they all got a really good look and the person is really distinctive (the video explicitly says a glimpse, so likely not the case), or its likely some kind of bias is taking charge.
duo1666 If you say so. I'm not sold though.
There could still be an inherent flaw that has nothing to do with communication.
For example, let's assume that they do a police line-up in which the real robber is not present, and the real robber was a tall white male. If they have a lineup of 10 people, only 1 of which is a tall white male, witnesses might falsely identify that person as the robber.