ACE SCIENCE CURRICULUM FLIP THRU | ACCELERATED CHRISTIAN EDUCATION GRADE 8 SCIENCE CURRICULUM

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  • @smcook96
    @smcook96 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think ACE is under-appreciated. The Bible verse integration and bite-size layout is excellent. We used it for all subjects from Kindergarten thru 12th grade with 3 children, with a few detours. For our family we had to move away from ACE Math & Science during high school (didn't learn this until the oldest fought her way thru it), because in Math we needed more help (Teaching Textbooks). In Science we needed to move away from formulas (The 101 Series). We also added IEW for the 3rd child last 2 years of high school. If I had more children, I would use ACE again.

  • @mrshippyhebrew8213
    @mrshippyhebrew8213 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m so glad you’re talking about this! I actually did ACE as a kid 20 years ago and now I have my own little one and have been considering curriculums. Your video helped remind me of why I loved the program and am now set on using it with my son.

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That is awesome!

  • @pinknleopard
    @pinknleopard ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My son does this whole curriculum for each subject and we've both enjoyed it!

  • @theresagardner416
    @theresagardner416 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A long time homeschooling family recommended ACE Paces to me. I am using Health, Science and Social Studies for the next school year. I was told they have a lot of "meat" to them. I also really appreciate how affordable they are.

    • @kimberlykiddy1502
      @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I graduated from an ACE school. I used this curriculum the whole time, and I pretty much was always on the honor roll.
      Now I'm 28, and I'm going to my local community college, and I'm realizing how unprepared I am. Your child will not learn how to write a five paragraph essay. Your child will not learn how to conduct research.
      The math curriculum is so bad that my school actually stopped teaching it in 4th grade and we did Saxon math instead.

    • @smcook96
      @smcook96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kimberlykiddy1502 I'm sorry this was your experience with ACE. Please understand this is not everyone's experience. Maybe you needed more individualed instruction.

  • @schisandra9921
    @schisandra9921 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m using pace for my 4/5th grade kids. They are great. The books really help kids build their foundational knowledge on every subject they come across.

  • @ginaphillips6089
    @ginaphillips6089 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Handkerchief Gal is on here and ahe dows ACE and has videos. I also think Just So Trish has reviewed them as well. We are an ACE family! Such good curriculum.

  • @somberheart84
    @somberheart84 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Been waiting for this! 😊 I'm totally going to try this curriculum with my 4th and 8th graders next year.

    • @kattcomm
      @kattcomm 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How was it? Im considering it this year

    • @somberheart84
      @somberheart84 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kattcomm we're still doing it. I don't know if they are retaining information but it's helping them read the paragraphs and find the answers to the questions. Also the experiments are super easy and easy for me to do with them. It's good if you're not crazy into science.

  • @jodybolinger95
    @jodybolinger95 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    we have used this curriculum for 5 years now going into 5th and 6th grade. We enjoy it!

  • @celestejohansen
    @celestejohansen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for this. My 15 year old hates BJU press because there is too much fluff and hates the lectures and reading and workbook and then handouts… she just likes to get in and get it done and not have all the fluff. I shouldn’t say she hates BJU, but like I said, she hates the fluff. I think ACE will be a good fit for her. I’ve felt that for years but everyone told me how HORRIBLE ACE was. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut.

    • @mycupoverflows7811
      @mycupoverflows7811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We have really loved ACE. I think she will like it.

    • @momoflittleladies
      @momoflittleladies หลายเดือนก่อน

      @celestejohansen My 13 year old also did nto like BJU. There is just too much stuff and the experiments are crazy! Between the videos, handouts, textbook and lab manual we gave up... I ordered ACE for her, I think it will be perfect. She loves CLE for history so this will be similar!

  • @created2live1
    @created2live1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for going through this curriculum. I really appreciate how in-depth you went into the flip-through. Thanks.

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are so welcome!

  • @Polkadotpearl
    @Polkadotpearl ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm 37, and I was homeschooled with this curriculum (all subjects) when I was a child.

    • @TheHealthnow
      @TheHealthnow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are your thoughts on this curriculum?

    • @Polkadotpearl
      @Polkadotpearl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was adequate. I graduated and went to college.

  • @CandleLight1M
    @CandleLight1M ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for doing this flip through! I really enjoyed it! I think my oldest daughter might really enjoy this curriculum!

  • @laureeso99
    @laureeso99 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you! You mentioned this in your other video and I have been searching for a look into Ace. My two youngest wanted an open and go for science and history next year. This is what we're using and for 8th grade so it was great to see an 8th grade Pace.

    • @brittneymoore576
      @brittneymoore576 ปีที่แล้ว

      What are you using for history as your open and go curriculum?

    • @laureeso99
      @laureeso99 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brittneymoore576 I went with the Ace American History. We started on the 1st and my daughter seems to like it so far. Of course, it's only the 4th lol My son will be starting the Ace science for 8th grade (the one in this video.) on Monday.

  • @peppermintsandcherries
    @peppermintsandcherries ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have heard of this curriculum for years but have never seen it. Thank you for the flip-through!

  • @crimsonkatsu5919
    @crimsonkatsu5919 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    By using this curriculum you are doing your children a great disservice and are setting them up to struggle in the future.

  • @MYfriendsknow
    @MYfriendsknow ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just looked up Psalm 133 : 1 * I love it! Good for the times we are living in. 🥰 Another one of my favorites is 7 MATT 12

  • @nicolesheaffer4988
    @nicolesheaffer4988 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for sharing this!!! I have an incoming 8th grader and have been trying to figure out what we would like to do… FOUND IT!!!!

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so welcome!

    • @kimberlykiddy1502
      @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm pretty sure 8th grade was when I had a science PACE that taught me the Loch Ness Monster is definitely real, and that the scientists are hiding it because it totally proves young-earth creationism. This was taught as fact... I was 13 so I believed it

  • @joannawawrzyniak249
    @joannawawrzyniak249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for making this review its a curriculum I want to get for the next school year, I love your content and missed seeing new videos.

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm so glad you liked the video! I've been posting regularly, have you not been seeing my videos each week?

    • @joannawawrzyniak249
      @joannawawrzyniak249 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aplacetonest No I have not, for some reason I've missed them or I need to go directly to your channel, love, love, your content, thank you.

  • @D2022-n4z
    @D2022-n4z 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My girls are doing well on ACE MATH, English and Word Building. I also did this as a kid for a few years. It is comprehensive and designed well for homeschooling. I don't use the science as it is so religious.

  • @MyQuaintCottage
    @MyQuaintCottage ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a great flip through. I'll have to look at their curriculum.

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Their curriculum has been really solid, in my opinion!

  • @tiffanymaleport
    @tiffanymaleport 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m so glad you’re doing these! I started doing flip throughs because I couldn’t find ACE flip throughs any where when I was looking!

  • @daisyamezcua2849
    @daisyamezcua2849 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this video ❤️ my daughter will be using this curriculum next year for 5th grade and I was honestly a bit lost since it is our first year homeschooling and it will be our first year using this curriculum. Wasn't sure if it would be enough, as the PACES are short. But I'm glad it is faith based.

  • @ourfamilyvideos7283
    @ourfamilyvideos7283 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We did high school health..enjoyed it. I think it’s inexpensive, some say it’s cheesy looking…I like the company but some want a huge textbook to “feel” like it’s solid…so not true.

  • @jessq3565
    @jessq3565 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We use ACE also. And I have found the same thing! There really aren’t videos on them! I should do some flip through videos too! My daughter is in second grade.

  • @yiskahrose1474
    @yiskahrose1474 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for the flip through! That looks great as a science curriculum! I am looking for more open and go for next year and haven't been into doing a lot of experiments either.
    I wonder, is it designed to be done daily and how much time does each lesson tend to take?

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think it is intended to be done daily but you don't necessarily have to. Each lesson takes about 20 minutes.

    • @yiskahrose1474
      @yiskahrose1474 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aplacetonest Thank you!

  • @brookelynette3
    @brookelynette3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I graduated from an A.C.E. private school. There are some of their subjects I don’t care for, but overall, it's a great Christian curriculum.

    • @teijaflink2226
      @teijaflink2226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have heard they teach false things in the science curriculum, that would be very wrong to lie to kids specially in a Christian curriculum.

    • @brookelynette3
      @brookelynette3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @teijaflink2226 No, not false. I just don't think it does a good job of explaining how to do the tougher HS subjects like Chemistry, Geometry, Algebra II.

    • @kimberlykiddy1502
      @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brookelynette3 I personally took those courses in high school, and I don't see it that way. They teach you to memorize the answers, not understand the information.

    • @mycupoverflows7811
      @mycupoverflows7811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kimberlykiddy1502kind of like what we did in my public school classes...😂😂😂

    • @momoflittleladies
      @momoflittleladies หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mycupoverflows7811 Yup - I even had to do that at college 🤣 My World Geography Professor loved me - I memorized so many little details!

  • @danielpullis
    @danielpullis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I will be opening a charter school starting with grades 6th through 12th. I'm wondering if this would be a good program, as the children will have much of their day spent doing independent work. Is it laid out in a way that easily explains each lesson, in math for example?

  • @alexandermorse1306
    @alexandermorse1306 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you talk about which books to get and which are not necessary for ACE? I looked at grades 1-12 and there's like a million different subjects and books to choose from.

    • @lovelightshine2329
      @lovelightshine2329 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would depend on if you were using it as a curriculum or a supplement or single subject.Each Pace is about 4 pages a day for 3 weeks. Of course some kids go through it faster, though I'd recommend "keeping the pace" and perhaps adding videos or projects to it rather than blowing through them quickly. (You know your child best)
      So if it is the curriculum for the year - start at your child's grade level, you would need about 3 books at a time in the subject and could order the next group when needed (maybe when you are beginning the last book) you would need this for each subject you planned to use the program for.
      If you only wanted to use it for 1-2 subjects - say math & science - then you might choose to do as she did and select the subject topics the child is more likely to enjoy learning about. Depending on your lesson plan you may decide to only teach/do Sci & SS 2 times a week or every other week - you decide. In that case the Pace would last longer or you might choose to do 8 pages, 2x a week. Great thing about home-school - it's up to you how to pace it.

  • @courtneyhaas9286
    @courtneyhaas9286 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We used their health and it was perfect for what we needed. I just wanted a basic health class like the one I took in school that went over nutrition, hygiene, std’s, drug use, physical activity like exercising, etc. and this was great. I don’t think we would like it for any other subject though.

  • @Garfold08
    @Garfold08 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So helpful! Thank you!
    Have you ever done a genetics unit study? I thought I remembered you mentioning that in a prior year.

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought I made a video about that but I can't seem to find it.

    • @Garfold08
      @Garfold08 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aplacetonest you did! I found it in one of your vlogs this afternoon and immediately added the materials to my Amazon cart. 😂Thank you for looking!

  • @cardinal411
    @cardinal411 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How do you know how far to go each day?

  • @enjoyinglifewithsuzie375
    @enjoyinglifewithsuzie375 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this! I’m newly homeschooling my 8th grader next year as he has been in public school prior. This is exactly what I’m looking for with Science!
    How often does your child work on it? Daily?
    Thanks so much!

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, I have her do it daily since the lessons are fairly short.

    • @whitneygalarce9837
      @whitneygalarce9837 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hello, I have 2 children using paces for most subjects. The paces are meant to be completed in an average of 3 weeks. So you take how many pages are in the page your working through and divide by how many days your schooling in a 3 week period. For example we do a 4 day week which means we have 12 days to complete a pace. But we subtract 1 day for testing at the end of the pace. So we have 11 days to complete it , 12th day test. Depending on how many pages if there are 37 …divide it by 11 days and you get a little over 3 pages average a day for that book. So you could do 3 one day 4 the next and rotate. Hope that helps.

  • @gracegreenwell2657
    @gracegreenwell2657 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how independent did you find these ACE science PACES? especially for grade 7/8

    • @lovelightshine2329
      @lovelightshine2329 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That depends on how independently your child works on most subjects. It's read - answer the question. I find the Paces usually need some supplement to keep it from being mundane and to enhance learning. Math might need more, so if you are not wanting to sit and teach than you could always sign your child up for Khan Academy (grade/subject) and they can look up the resources they need for instruction/help there. (and you can see if they have completed an assignment) Helping your child know where to find resources goes a long way in working independently; especially helpful in middle school.

  • @jcross9251
    @jcross9251 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks great 👏🏻

  • @melandymisenheimer1031
    @melandymisenheimer1031 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What would u recommend a child who came from public school who isn’t familiar with this but they online ACE??

  • @tracyat3wisemenhomeschool29
    @tracyat3wisemenhomeschool29 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your homeschooling videos

  • @brad349miller
    @brad349miller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we were problem children and they didn't know what to do with us they put us on paces. Was like a punishment.

  • @foresterbiologist
    @foresterbiologist 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you compare BJU press Vs ACE? We use ACE for all and it’s working but wondering if it’s actually challenging enough. Blessed my son is blowing through two grades/level a year currently since Level 3 and now beginning level 8.

  • @tatyana1324
    @tatyana1324 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you 😊🙏

  • @darlenehernandez415
    @darlenehernandez415 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi I was wondering are each booklet a certain amount of lessons ? How to you divide the content? Thanks in advance.

    • @epcproductions1736
      @epcproductions1736 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We use ACE for most core subjects. There are 12 Paces and each one is supposed to last 3 weeks for a total of 36 weeks when they are all complete. Each book is broken up into 3 sections with a page or two of checkups at the end of each section so thats how we divide it. We do the pages before the checkup on Mon-Thurs and the checkup on Friday. On the 3rd week of the PACE we finish our work Mon-Wed and do the checkup and self-test on Thurs and test for the entire book on Friday. You can really divide it how you want but that schedule works for us. You could even do more pages per day if you only wanted to do science a couple days per week. Hope this helps...

    • @darlenehernandez415
      @darlenehernandez415 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@epcproductions1736 Thank you

  • @brooksohana0890
    @brooksohana0890 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a quick question regarding the ACE curriculum. Are there images of Christ on any of the books?

    • @jimmyosaro1113
      @jimmyosaro1113 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no images of Christ. mostly a back view

  • @user-fb5ze9fx7e
    @user-fb5ze9fx7e ปีที่แล้ว

    My cousin was homeschooled with this curriculum and is now anti-homeschooling because of it. He feels that he was denied an education. Perhaps it has been updated since then, but this is the only curriculum I've ever heard such a negative comment about.

    • @mrshippyhebrew8213
      @mrshippyhebrew8213 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve heard that too from people close to me, not necessarily just about this but other forms of “Christian education” such as private Christian school as well as homeschool in general. But the root reason for them is that they are now no longer Christian and reject and resent that aspect as a whole. Not saying that about your cousin though.

    • @user-fb5ze9fx7e
      @user-fb5ze9fx7e ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mrshippyhebrew8213 No, I will not join you in slandering Christian education or homeschooling. I am speaking of this one particular curriculum.

    • @mrshippyhebrew8213
      @mrshippyhebrew8213 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-fb5ze9fx7e you misunderstood me. In no way was I slandering Christian and homeschool education. I’m not sure where you picked that up from what I was saying. I am very much an advocate for both, they are actually the most important part of education for me. So much so that I am doing both with my young son. I was only stating that unfortunately people close to me, who had both a homeschool and Christian education, have turned their back on both and reject both. It’s a very sad thing for me.

  • @emilywatson697
    @emilywatson697 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you purchase the set are the answer keys included?

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว

      At most online sellers I've seen, you would need to purchase them separately.

  • @chantalrodriguez5269
    @chantalrodriguez5269 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do i order those books and what are their cost?

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can get them at Christianbook.com

  • @kimberlykiddy1502
    @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This curriculum is NOT good. I went to christian schools my whole life and this is the only curriculum we ever used. It relies completely upon wrote memorization. This means that students can get by with just memorizing the answers and don't fully understand the curriculum. Also, God forbid you have a child who has a reading disability (like dyslexia, the most common learning disability in the the world) because they're just out of luck.
    If you're set on using a Fundamentalist Christian curriculum, I would suggest using Abeka or Bob Jones. They're both much higher quality.

    • @momoflittleladies
      @momoflittleladies 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      BJU does offer more curitical thinking but Abeka is just memorizing the answers and testing. We have used Abeka video for 8 years... Also, just because a child uses ACES in a home setting does not mean that they will be "out of luck" and not have a teacher/mom who is educated to help them.

  • @gabbsespino
    @gabbsespino ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you recommend the chemistry?

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven't used their Chemistry yet but it's definitely on our radar!

    • @kimberlykiddy1502
      @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually used the chemistry curriculum in high school. I do NOT suggest using their high school science courses. They will not learn anything. They will learn how to regurgitate the answers. But when it comes to the equations that they have to solve in the PACEs, unless your child is extremely gifted at math, they will struggle, and they won't have a teacher to ask for help.
      If you have your heart set on using a Fundamentalist Christian curriculum, I suggest Abeka or Bob Jones for high school. I know that they're a lot more expensive, but the quality is much higher.

    • @momoflittleladies
      @momoflittleladies 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They could ask their parent for help... Just because someone uses PACE at home does not mean they dont have teacher involvement. I have a college degree and can help with math.

  • @KlarisaB
    @KlarisaB ปีที่แล้ว

    Has anyone tried both CLE & PACE? im trying to decide which of the 2 are better

    • @marcih6662
      @marcih6662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have with my son who is going into 10th. He loves CLE especially the sunrise light units. He did not care for aces paces.

    • @KlarisaB
      @KlarisaB ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @marcih6662 thanks for the info.. this year will be our first year homeschooling I have an 8th grader and 2nd grader and all summer I was planning on using CLE and today I find out about ACE and started to second guess my plan lol... I'm for sure going to use CLE for Math, Reading and LA.. but I feel like the science in CLE is alot of reading so I was thinking maybe trying master books science and history but I'm not 100% sure yet 😬

    • @cheshathompson5740
      @cheshathompson5740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look into Generations curriculum for science and history ☺️ it’s amazing!

    • @thisbeautifulhour
      @thisbeautifulhour 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      CLE & ACE are both amazing in their own ways. CLE is more rigorous wjeras the PACES are great for kiddos who a more self taught style ( I teach with both curriculums & I see pros and cons for both, each kiddos is different. )
      I LOVE ACE's Science & word building but I LOVE CLE's social studies & math. My children love the readers that the Paces provide. They read them without doing the booklet for Literature & Creative Writing, so thats a plus.
      The children also LOVE grading their own work with the paces (with supervision).

    • @mycupoverflows7811
      @mycupoverflows7811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We have used both. I prefer ACE, but still use CLE for K&1st.

  • @rabbitscantfly
    @rabbitscantfly ปีที่แล้ว

    My son didn't appreciate the fact that his science doesn't use accurate scientific terms.

    • @jannamejia2583
      @jannamejia2583 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

    • @rabbitscantfly
      @rabbitscantfly 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jannamejia2583They simplified key terms to try to reach more students. He felt they should have stuck with more standard scientific terms. For example, backbone instead of spine.

  • @joshmagojavitski6549
    @joshmagojavitski6549 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nobody's talking about it because it doesn't work I failed school because of it because the subjects and curriculum was just all over the place it's just pure chaos and you can't learn anything

  • @danahall1282
    @danahall1282 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use any other Ace curriculum?

    • @aplacetonest
      @aplacetonest  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have purchased their health curriculum but we haven't used it yet.

  • @get2dachoppa18
    @get2dachoppa18 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I grew up on ACE. A great way to mentally cripple your child. Fortunately, I had a library card and a fascination with real science.

    • @jacobprater4578
      @jacobprater4578 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also a great way to introduce anxiety in your child

    • @get2dachoppa18
      @get2dachoppa18 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jacobprater4578 nothing compared to the anxiety of realizing you aren't remotely prepared for the world once you "graduate".

    • @kimberlykiddy1502
      @kimberlykiddy1502 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      not to mention that all it teaches you is how to memorize the answers.
      It's a great way make sure your kids don't know how to think for themselves. I didn't actually learn how to have and defend an original opinion until I went to college at the age of 27. But Fundamentalist Christians don't want their children to have their own opinions, so I guess that checks out.

    • @momoflittleladies
      @momoflittleladies 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kimberlykiddy1502 Have you used Abeka? Since you suggested that in a previous comment... Memorize is ALL they teach you to do. lol. Especially when they drill and kill key facts/terms on the videos.

    • @mycupoverflows7811
      @mycupoverflows7811 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@get2dachoppa18 I think it's you, not the curriculum. Plenty of public schooled kids didn't get anything out of school either, but they don't find youtube videos and comment blaming the curriculum that was used. Most of the stuff I've learned wasn't in school either.