Mammalian Predators of Kaimere: The Big Cats | Sci-Fi Worldbuilding
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- On Earth, big cats are the apex predators wherever they go. On Kaimere, where the top predators outweigh the largest cats by a factor of twenty or more, this precedent was not to last. However, big cats have proven themselves more than up to the task, and their adaptability is a key to their continued success.
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It is a common misconception that that cougars, also called mountain lions and pumas, are among the big cats of Earth. They are the second largest cat in the Western Hemisphere and can take down deer bigger than they are, but they only weigh around 200 pounds and I believe all the "7 big cats" of the Panthera genus outweigh the cougar significantly. Those seven are the Leopard, the Lion, the Jaguar, the Cheetah (even though their genus is Acinonyx), the Tiger, the Snow Leopard, and the Clouded Leopard (of which there are multiple species of varying sizes).
Cougars (120-220 lbs/54-100 kg) are bigger than snow leopards (50-120 lbs/23-54 kg), clouded leopards (25-50 lbs/11-23 kg), and cheetahs (45-160 lbs/73 kg). Cheetahs are not even in the Panthera genus or even in the subfamily Pantherinae, which has both the genus Panthera (lions, tigers, jaguars, leopards, and snow leopards) and Neofelis (clouded leopards). The closest living relatives to the cheetah are the jaguarundi (Herpailurus yagouaroundi) and the cougar. Also, some species of leopards are smaller than cougars, but most leopards and cougars are about equivalent in size overall.
That's right. The American Cheetah, Miracynonix, is a relative of the cougar but much faster and it went extinct when large prey it fed on died out.
Yes, but I was also talking about modern cheetahs.
Did you know that cheetahs actually had a much wider range than they do today? They used to be prominent in both Africa and Asia. There is another variety called a King Cheetah, perhaps a subspecies, with darker coats than normal. A Giant Cheetah had also existed in prehistoric times, the size of a lion, but now extinct.
Cougars are the 4th largest type of cat alive today behind Tigers, Lions and Jaguars. Cougars technically tie with Leopards for the number 4 spot but are larger on average.
What I came here for: details of big cats' ecology on Kaimere
What I get: leopard boned everyone.
Spaz with spots cannot be stopped.
I like how you make the barbourofelids and nimravids look cat like, yet still different enough from normal cats.
Thanks! Was definitely the goal!
Watching a 20+ minute long Kaimere video about big cats, while eating some snacks is very relaxing after almost 11 hours in university. Another incredible video! Well done Keenan! And thanks to Chris who sponsored it
I can already tell that the Oligocene harvest video is going to be great. Can't way to learn more about what clades came through at that time, especially since it ties into the ecology of the Eastern continent
Happy to be something to look forward to! Rest, weary scholar. My man Chris pulled through.
Really excited for the Oligocene stuff. Trying to get all my other work done early so I have as much time to make tank camels and gracile rhinos as possible. Going to go absolutely wild.
@@TalesofKaimere sounds awesome
@@petarbrkic6404 Happy Easter!!
This has been my favorite episode so far!! Thanks Chris for the suggestion and can’t wait for the Oligocene harvest!!
I'm looking forward to the oligocene harvest video as well, hopefully it will go into detail about how animals brought to kaimere from that harvest shared kaimere with dinosaurs.
Now let's hope someone sponsors an episode for dogs/candids
Fingers crossed!
Big Cats are my favorite mammals, and seeing such diversity of them on Kaimere is awesome.
I do have a few questions regarding them.
1. Aside from cheetahs and most saber-tooth cats, were there any other large cats brought to Kaimere that didn't last or at least are around but haven't really established themselves?
2. Since lions and hyenas hate each other here on Earth, is the relationship the same here? If so, who is more dominant?
3. Have there been any records of hybrids between homotherium and dinofelis since the two would be most closely related to each other than to other cats?
4. Between the red panther and the tiger, which is most dominant?
5. Have there been hybrids between the highland and lowland homotherium?
6. What is the range of the four lynx species on Kaimere?
7. Last question: Is the cave lion the largest cat on Kaimere?
1. Several large cats were brought through. A leopard-like panther came through with the tiger and radiated out with some success but all were outcompeted by the leopard. Eurasian jaguars and pumas also came through and either couldn't outcompete the established felids or were outcompeted by the leopard and lion.
2. Spotted hyenas are restricted to the highlands due to competition with the striped hyena of the Eastern continent. Striped hyenas dominate lions (more intelligent, more complex social groups/coordination, and around the same size) to the point that it's not much of a rivalry. Lions just take to the trees. Cave lions and cave hyenas have a much more conventional rivalry and dominance comes down to a numbers game: cave hyena groups are 3-10 animals and can sometimes displace a lion, but lions that cooperate can confidently overpower the hyenas. It's probably 50/50.
3. There are no recorded hybrids, but that's as much down to them preferring much different habitats as it is difference in genetics (they diverged like 18 million years ago) and difference in mating signals. It's possible but the offspring would probably be like the pumapard: half the size of either adult, suffer from a range of complications, and probably die young.
4. The tiger is almost twice the size of the red panther in its range, and is definitely dominant, although being not as strong of a swimmer and large enough that they can't climb as high or as stealthy, they often can't catch them.
5. Yes, the two homotherium can produce hybrids, but being different species, males are usually sterile.
6. I will cover this in the Lynx episode in June.
7. Cave lion is almost twice the size of the largest tiger, lowland Homotherium, and Pakardiant red panthers. It's definitely the largest cat in Kaimere, and indeed the largest terrestrial mammal predator of the known world.
@@TalesofKaimere Let's hope it stays that way and the massive demon pigs never decide to come over
@@TalesofKaimere It's very well known that males of big cats hybrids are steriles thus females hybrids are perfectly without problems fertiles. But things are like that because most of current species of big cats are too distant genetically and have because of this a number of chromosomes differents from each others that sufficient enough to make hybrids between them but not sufficient enough to make hybrids between them and who can't after that having babies by thmeselves.
Because yes, in hybrid domain, all is a question of chromosomes numbers which depends on the proximity and how much a two different species are genetically close. If two specie, being in two separate or in the same genus are sufficiently close to have offspring togethers (in general, they are differents but close species that diverged from a common ancestor in very recent and not so distant geological times, and are actually still quite young as species in their own right), hybris can happens.
After that level/(check)point, the rest is a question of chromosomes numbers. 1) If the two species have a significant number chromosomes differences in their genome, their offprings will be partially or completely steriles either for one of the two gender or for the two sex togethers with even others mental and physical problems like malformations for exemple. 2) if the two specie have a little only or identical number of chromosomes with any or minor diferences in their genome, so their offsprings will be perfectly viables and fertiles for all the two gender without or with not significant others problems, and can have offprings with between them or with an other member of one of their parents species.
In the case of the two Homotherium speicies on kaimere, since Keenan said they came from two differents harvest and two lineage of the same genus, despite bring in the same genus, the two specie seem to be and evolved separatly to divergent and possess differents and importants chromosomes numbers they developped when they where separated from each others. It's possible that some species, even close, in the same genus can have a big chromosomes numbers differences between them. One good case is with the Reeve's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi) who possess 46 chromosomes and the Indian Muntjac (Muntiacus muntjac) who possess only 7 chromosomes ! (being the mammals specie on World records to have the smallest chromosomes number in earth history knowledge !).
So, it's not abberant if the Highland and Lowland Homotheriums can't perfectly reproduce between them, their case must be in the same situation that the two muntjac species I mention.
@@TalesofKaimere what allows cave lion to get so big?
Its good to know that big cats have been thriving on kaimere despite them not being top predators, just goes to show that life always finds a way. Also, do you ever plan to do a video going into detail about the eastern continent? I have been curious about what types of animals live there.
I'm planning to do a continental introduction like I did for Kaishel pretty soon, hopefully by summer.
Major question, Keenan. Even though Smilodon never made it to Kaimere, how would they hunt? With canines so big, they're intimidating, but how did they use them?
They were briefly harvested into the Qajarith peninsula, but they were wiped out alongside most newly harvested megafauna by the first children
Barbourfelids look like a blend of big cats and hyenas (hinting at their slightly odder, older origin on the evolutionary tree). Cats don't look cat-like they just happened to more retain their prehistoric nimravid features in comparison to hyenas (with the help of convergent evolution).
This is why the suborder Feliformia is divided into two infraorders, Aeluropsia (meaning "cat-shaped faced ones" in latin) and Crocutopsia (meaning "hyena-shaped faced ones" in latin), while the former has been known to retain superficially nimravid-like characteristics the latter has evolved to look more superficially like caniforms such as dogs, martens, and weasels, Aeluropsia contains only one extant family which is Felidae (Cats), while Crocutopsia contains all the other nine extant families within Feliformia, which are Protelidae (Aardwolf), Hyaenidae (Hyenas), Nandiniidae (African Palm Civet), Prionodontidae (Linsangs), Poianidae (Oyans), Genettidae (Genets), Viverridae (Civets), Herpestidae (Mongooses), and Eupleridae (Malagasy Carnivorans), Crocutopsia is also divided into two superfamilies, Hyaenoidea (includes Protelidae and Hyaenidae) and Viverroidea (includes Nandiniidae, Prionodontidae, Poianidae, Genettidae, Viverridae, Herpestidae, and Eupleridae), with 88 extant species, 39 genera, and 7 families, Viverroidea is by far the largest and most diverse superfamily of extant carnivorans.
@@indyreno2933 crocutopsia isn't a valid group.
There are four infraorders of carnivorans, Cynopsia (meaning "dog-shaped faced ones" in latin), Galopsia (meaning "weasel-shaped faced ones" in latin), Aeluropsia (meaning "cat-shaped faced ones" in latin), and Crocutopsia (meaning "hyena-shaped faced ones" in latin)
List of carnivoran infraorders:
1) Cynopsia (Greater Caniforms (contains 7 families: Canidae, Ursidae, Ailuropodidae, Phocidae, Cystophoridae, Otariidae, and Odobenidae))
2) Galopsia (Lesser Caniforms (contains 8 families: Mephitidae, Procyonidae, Ailuridae, Nasuidae, Melidae, Mustelidae, Lutridae, and Ictonychidae))
3) Aeluropsia (Cat-Shaped Feliforms (contains 1 family: Felidae))
4) Crocutopsia (Hyena-Shaped Feliforms (contains 9 families: Protelidae, Hyaenidae, Nandiniidae, Prionodontidae, Poianidae, Genettidae, Viverridae, Herpestidae, and Eupleridae))
@@indyreno2933 im not even going to try and debate against you and your misinformation.
@@Minish4rk360 I don't really know what you guys are talking about
I absolutely love the Big Cats. Thank you for this awesome video. Absolutely love the Red Panther and The Kaimerean Tiger looks absolutely stunning too.
The Homotherium and Cave lions are absolutely majestic too. Maybe some day you can do a video just on them.
Thank you! Glad you like em! Hoping to do some single-species episodes to get more into detains since this was much more of an overview.
“And prompted an unnatural selection of more cautious and lethal cats to survive and thrive”
Seems like a good selection against Theropod competition even if it’s artificial/unnatural
That’s a great point!
The Babourofelid strong existence on kaimere, being relatively close in appearance for most of them to their ancestor, show like example that high specialize animal and Long thoothed canine animals can survive on the planet despite the domination of the dinosaurs almost everywhere.
Many people will said : "Huh Keenan, you dare to contradict your own arguments, laws and choices in the worlbuilding of your universe! If the Barbourofelid succeeded in remaining physically very close to their ancestors, then WHY did the True Machairodont Saber Tooth Tigers, Smildodon and etc. with long canines not survive?!"
And me, at your place to these people, I will say to them : "Keenan isn't in contradiction with his own laws for his universe. In fact if Barbourofelid survived and not the longs toothed Sabertooth Tiger species, it's because Barbourofelid are from already hot climate and must have been introduced to Kaimere during a planetary period favorable to their permanent establishment yet unknwon. In addition, most of them are outside the Known World were areas of the others continents are more stable and less competitive mostly because there more place for all the species. If Sabertooth cats, except short tooths canines Dinofelis and Homotherium, don't survived very long, it's because most of them taken to kaimere were cold/temperate species that were no able to quickly adapt in a overall wermer climat than on earth and were brought during a time not very favorable to their establishment and were also not able to leave the Known World region to the others more stable areas of the planet".
And you won't even have to talk to solve the problem! ;)
Heck yah! I’ve been really excited for this one! Thank you Chris!
Right?? Was stoked when I got the email!
the cave lion and other creatures of the highlands were lucky that the yutyrannus was never harvested
I can't believe that a Tiger would stand up to a Zentaur of all animals, but I wasn't surprised. I'm glad that Huxsley said that! I guess that cats are definitely a very brave animal come to think about it. Also, it's ironic how similar they are... Solitary apex predators with almost no competition? I'm pretty sure that there's a world where they both would... Coexist?
One last thing : a sapient Megaraptoran and a sapient Tiger is not a bad thing... There exist an entire chapter about them reacting to humans, to giants and to everything sapient that I'd love nothing more to write...
That piece was inspired by clips I’ve seen of cats chasing off black bears and alligators. They can be super tenacious! Hux knows what’s up.
@@TalesofKaimere Well, guess that's the same thing... I wonder if Zentaurs do get into... An offensive mood at that. While Tigers, Lions and any feline or panther relative is one hell of a fighter, I have no idea how badly the monarchs would reply. Like, Uktans do kill rivals sometimes... And Zentaurs are definitely the scariest animals I've ever seen... Right behind a mutant Charcarodontosaurus... That's semi-quadrupedal, cursorial in nature, and is able to reach sizes that a very few predators managed to get close...
Yeah well, I don't know if I can ever have any pet cat when... The last one was smarter than any dog... And I wish I was exaggerating her intelligence. She's forever in my mind, as one rare, one of a kind, once in a lifetime breed of cat that had dignity, intelligence, and charisma...
Another great addition. One of your best videos yet. Your audio quality and narration has greatly improved since you have started.
Thanks man! Getting more comfortable with the software has been a great benefit.
These are all masterfully thought out. I know in the past I've mentioned the desire to make an animated documentary style series based on your work, and this is all the more incentive.
An animated Kaimere would really be the dream. I don't have 2 spare minutes or neurons to start pushing for that yet but once I've developed the known world and started the bestiary it's a ball I would love to look into getting rolling!
@@TalesofKaimere Someday, may that happen. Although would you divide it into categories of continents, specific environments, or a different approach? I'd happily suggest a piece about how the humans used certain mega fauna as war mounts.
Definitively looking forward to hearing about the oligocene harvest and the eastern continent!
Love the video; great input from Huxley, very wise
Do you have a video planned for the birds, pterosaurs or domesticated creatures of kaimere?
Hux knows what's up.
Definitely on a few different clades of birds, one on the pterosaurs, and probably a series on domesticated animals. Horses will get their own video, and dogs probably will too, and the rest will be in a single episode is the current plan.
Nice, thanks for responding
@@TalesofKaimere Glad you considered my recommendation. Looking forward to seeing your tamed chalicotheres and the equipment used to mount them.
Great video! The part about melanism and hybrids was especially interesting.
Added both segments after I got a TON of questions about them while posting works in progress. Glad I did!
@@TalesofKaimere
Very nice. It would interesting to explore these topics in other clades of Kaimere. Especially since we unfortunately don't have evidence for hybridisation or pigmentation defects in most extinct animals.
24 minutes? best strap in for this one
Best get a snack before sitting down lol
So glad to see a more in-depth look at the big cats of Kaimere. Out of curiosity, are there any cheetahs outside of the known world (provided you are willing to divulge this information)? I'll assume that some populations managed to get a foothold.
Thanks! Probably going to have a barbourofelid/nimravid occupy a similar niche, but true cheetahs didn’t establish themselves. Chasmaporthetes evolved to be quite similar too!
This is a really awesome video of the ecology of Kaimere, learning about the big cats that thrived in this dangerous world, they evolutionary history and of they fantastic redesigns although some of those original illustrations are kept. By the way are the tigers still found in the forests where the juki live? If not it ok I understand that Kaimere keep changing it lore but still the theme and premise intact
Homotherium and leopards have replaced the tigers former forest range and are now juki predators
I'm ok with that
10:33 With the mention and depiction of the titan crow here, I'm wondering what resources we have on the feathered-ness of pterosaurs. Did they have feathers the same as those of birds?
The more we learn about their integument the more it seems comparable in complexity and coloration to the body feathers of birds. Jury is still out to my knowledge if they are true feathers or just analogous structures but since they branch and were colorful I’m inclined to say the former.
@@TalesofKaimere I see. And what would separate pterosaurs having 'true feathers' from having a simply analogous structure? Them having them by common inheritance from a shared ancestor with theropods versus having them merely by convergent evolution with theropods?
Same guy who’s doing a biodome project here
So I’m gonna be making a creature profile series
Nice! Best of luck!
I love the red panthers, they have a very cool design and Dinofelis was an animal I already liked a lot, it's very cool seeing it getting spotlight. The cave lion is also an absolute unit of a creature. The wolf-like Homotherium is also tremendously cool, but it does make me ask the question of grey wolves, are they not a thing in the highlands? I mean, they were present in pleistocene Europe at the time of the harvest, right? And they also can pant which is probably an advantage over cats in the hotter world of Kaimere.
I'm excited for the gliding and oligocene harvest videos. I'm intrigued to what have happened in the other continents. My bet is that the eastern continent is more reflective of Kaimere during the Tyrant Dinasty and the norhten continent has the cretaceous fauna that didn't fare well in the rest of Kaimere. Fingers crossed for a titanic tyrannosaurid somewhere, which I know is cliched, but I love those.
Heck yeah! Dinofelis is such an interesting creature to me and I've wanted to feature it for a while. Was glad that I could find a suitable home for the cave lion, another personal favorite. The wolves that came to Kaimere 800k years ago were a lot smaller than grey wolves today. They're present and independently got pretty big on the southern islands and Free States, but dholes and jackals outcompeted wolves on the mainlands.
Big Cat Dairies: Kaimere Edition! Also all hail Huxley!
Ooo I was expecting this on Thursday!
Ironically I will be doing a video on Friday that covers a cat that is the reason why the Pronghorn Antelope is the fastest land animal in North America!
No way?! American Cheetah?!
Yo nice! Looking forward to it!!
They're just called pronghorns, the word "antelope" refers exclusively to the taxa Tetracerus, Tragelaphini, Hippotraginae, Peleinae, Reduncinae, Antilopinae, Cephalophinae, and Neotraginae of the family Bovidae, the pronghorn is not a bovid, it is the only living representative of the family Antilocapridae, which is more closely related to giraffids than to bovids.
Briliant🎉
Thank you!
The gliding fauna sounds sick. Any microraptors? Petaurids? Lol, thanks again
Not sure what I’m focusing on for that video. Sorta flying on the seat of my pants lol
The worldbuilding for this world is phenomenal! Although, I’m still waiting for a video on bats in Kaimere. Also, here’s a question that’s been bothering me for a while: since there are dinosaurs on Kaimere, does that mean that the descendants of prehistoric crocodilians exist on this planet as well?
Bats are on the horizon! There are lots of crocs but none from mesozoic genera
Okay, as long as there are crocs, I am happy. Will Kaimere crocs get their own video as well?
The Red Panther is awesome, probably one of my favorite animals on kaimere!
Are there any aspects/Habitats/niches in which mammals outdo or outcompete dinosaurs in kaimere, or are Dinosaurs always dominant over mammals?
Thank you!
Absolutely! The highland steppes of the western continent are cold and unappealing to titanosaurs and megaraptorans. Some dinosaurs do fine in cold but the known world clades are predominantly tropical and temperate. Many arboreal niches are taken by mammals and mammal herbivores are more common on the prairie
Is there catnip on Kaimere? Time to test if nimravids go crazy for it
In a previous commentary on the Highland Mammoth post, some week ago, you said that there were currently any Cave Hyena (famous subspecie of the current Spotted Hyena in Africa) because they were outcompeted by the Common/Prairie Hyena of the Eastern Continent and the Houze Prairie habitat. But you change your choice here, right ?
Keenan have you ever seen Primeval wouldn’t it be nice if they made a walking with series about the primeval creatures (LOVE THE VIDEO SORRY FOR GOING OFF TOPIC)
I've absolutely seen primeval! One of my favorite shows (although I felt the quality really dropped after the first two seasons I still enjoyed it)
@@TalesofKaimere I LOVE this super inventive and imaginative TV serie ! It's was really memorable and who used at his complete maximum the entire possibility of his concepts their limits. I especially loved all the fictive futures creatures like the Mers, the Megopteran and, of course, the iconic Future Predator !
Imagine Animals like baboons in Kaimere
@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian it's quite difficult primates can get such size except if bipedal
@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian you are talking about Dinopithecus? He was herbivore and wasn't big than an early hominid
@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian probably it was tall a meter and half but hey there were species of the genus Homo like Homo ergaster who were more tall than a meter so
There are macaques in Kaimere that take on the niche of baboons in Pakardia.
So, you mentioned that lions were tamed by the native people, but have the Panther cults ever had members who tamed Leopards or is that just a unique case to lions?
It's unique to lions. Leopards aren't social and also aren't as intelligent (based on albeit anecdotal accounts from two friends who work a lot with big cats).
It's cool to see that Kaimeran, like on earth, tame and adopt like pet as little cat as big cat ! Of course, with big cat (mainly the Panthera genus species, I don't know for the Sabertooth cat case), a lot more a precautions and attention must be put and place between the person and the animal, and especially made a high tamed conditioning in addition to be and still the dominant between him and the big cat, to reduce as possible some "unfortunate incidents and collateral damage".
On earth, the only big cat hightly and easily tamable is the Snow leopard (Panthera uncia) thus this specie is not frequent as pet and never was regular as pet during all the History too.
Little big cats like the Mountain lion or more famous the Cheetah (tamed frequently, even a little to this day, by Egyptian, some African ethnies and the famous Josephine Baker with Chiquita), are also easily tamable, even more than true big cats. otherwise, I hope the Kaimeran, for the most of them, are good and better keepers and owners than most of private random people.
Also, leopard, Dinofelis or Kaimeran Tiger are also keep as pets like the lion too by some ?
There is no such thing as a mountain lion, the correct english name for the species "Puma concolor" is puma and it doesn't look very much like a lion and is actually more closely related to the cheetahs, also the genus Panthera includes only two species, the Leopard (Panthera pardus) and the Lion (Panthera leo), while the jaguar, snow leopard, and tiger are all relocated to the genera Jaguarius and Uncia respectively, Jaguarius is a genus of cat that lives exclusively in the new world, its only living representative is the Jaguar (Jaguarius onca), this genus also includes two extinct species like the American Lion (Jaguarius atrox) and the Mexican Leopard (Jaguarius balamoides), Jaguarius (New World Roaring Cats) is actually the sister genus to the clouded leopards (genus Neofelis), the genus Uncia contains 2 living species, the Snow Leopard (Uncia uncia) and the Tiger (Uncia tigris), there five extinct species within this genus as well, like the familiar extinct Cave Lion (Uncia spelaea), as well as four poorly known species such as Uncia blytheae, Uncia youngi, Uncia zdanskyi, and Uncia palaeosinensis, the genus Uncia is the sister genus to a clade that includes the genera Jaguarius and Neofelis to the exclusion of Panthera.
@@indyreno2933 I'm sorry but everyone use Mountain lion, Puma or Cougar in all languages as all valid vernaculary names for this big small cat specie that live in North and South America.
Oh and all the famous Cave Lion in strict sense are members of the Panthera genus, close to the current lion Pantera leo (sister specie or subspecies but this later case is no less likely since some years). Same for the jaguar, snow leopard and tiger who are all Panthera genus members.
In one single paragraph, you have wirted and noted a fucking amount of obsolete, not valid and false informations. Any arguments and information you said is true, all is FALSE and not to take into account.
This classification treats the genus Panthera to be paraphyletic due to the cladistic inclusion but traditional exclusion of the clouded leopards (genus Neofelis), therefore the genera Uncia and Jaguarius are valid, Jaguarius contains species found in the new world like the extinct American Lion (Jaguarius atrox) and Mexican Leopard (Jaguarius balamoides) and the currently living Jaguar (Jaguarius onca), Jaguarius (New World Roaring Cats) is the genus that's most closely related to the clouded leopards (genus Neofelis) and Uncia is a genus that includes two extant species being the Snow Leopard (Uncia uncia) and the Tiger (Uncia tigris), the genus Uncia includes five known extinct species such as the famous Cave Lion (Uncia spelaea) and four poorly known species like Uncia blytheae, Uncia youngi, Uncia zdanskyi, and Uncia palaeosinensis, the genus Uncia is actually is sister genus to the clade comprising of the genera Jaguarius (New World Roaring Cats) and Neofelis (Clouded Leopards), the leopard and lion are the only two extant representatives of the genus Panthera, which is actually the most basal and distantly related from all the other groups, meaning snow leopards, tigers, and jaguars are all more closely related to clouded leopards than to leopards and lions, interestingly, the Lion (Panthera leo), Cave Lion (Uncia spelaea), and American Lion (Jaguarius atrox) are all not closely related and the similarities with one another are an example of convergent evolution, the similarities between the Jaguar (Jaguarius onca) and the extinct European Jaguar (Panthera gombaszoegensis) are another example of convergent evolution.
@@indyreno2933 I see many recent english article and many Wikipedia articles about the Pantherinae and Panthera genus, but anything of what you said is true. All are fake. So, please, for everyone who can read these (not very pertienent commentaries btw) comments, stop say stupid untrue and unverifiable vonlontary misleading informations because I will very likely suppress the original commentary I made if that continue.
For the ones who read this comment, don't take anything into account, that a loss of time from me and this guy (especially him).
Wonder what a cat that could actually stand up to Megaraptorans would look like. Would probably have to be like Crag Lion (from a different spec project) sized.
Question, what are the biggest prey species that things like the garden Homotherium, Red Panther, and Tiger go after?
All max out at around a ton. Garden Homotherium go for aurochs. Red panther will go for parksosaurs and tigers will sometimes tackle water buffalo. That said, all prefer to tackle prey their size or smaller so they don’t attract attention and can cache.
Leopard, Dinofelis or Kaimeran Tiger are also keep and tamed as pets like the lion too by some people or Not ?
Nope. It’s really just lions. Occasionally highland Homotherium can be tamed. Helps to have social instincts and being small enough that they aren’t quite as overwhelming in size as some other cats.
It looks like the big cats have more varieties than they do in our world. There technically are only seven of the big cats out of approximately 37 species of wild cats. How diverse are the smaller cats of Kaimere?
Smaller cats are certainly more diverse than big cats, although not as common as they are on earth. Between more open habitat favoring canids and eudromaeosaurs occupying a similar niche, there's simply not as much space for a lot of small cats. Definitely present, though.
@@TalesofKaimere Yeah, it's hard to compete with pack-hunting raptors and canines.
Vid on dogs seens you did one on cats?
It’s on the agenda!
even the tigers look cooler, and earth tigers are already cool!
Thanks! Yeah tigers irl are absolutely rad
Whit Deinofelis and homotherium you bought me 😁. And the black lion is wonderful. I wish could really exist but seems that this kind of gene is absent in lions
Indeed it is which is quite unfortunate! I think they look super cool.
18:31 So the common lion is smaller than the African lion on earth interesting
Yup! Got to be small enough to climb and escape predators, something they don't need to do on Earth.
8:45 Why exactly the only cat (in our world) with stripes?
How dangerous are barbourofelids and saber toothed cats to humans in Kaimere?
Thanks!
Barbourofelids are restricted to the eastern continent and generally target larger prey than people. In the known world, Homotherium and Dinofelis both avoid people and almost never view them as prey, although occasional instances of this do occur.
Whoooo!
In the "Lion Day Special" video there almost one years, the three appearances/forms of the Lion on Kaimere still canon at 100% but are formers forms that the lions obtained and get quickly some time after being introduce on Kaimere (being only physically different from the earth african lion in terms of colors and sizes), before becoming for the Common and Black forms neothenic with time. Neothenic state that still persist even currently for the Common and Black Forms.
The Qajar/Qajarith lion form is the only form since this video is the only of the three form to still unchanged from this video and to be and have a normal generic lion appearance like we know so well, but is not a population of lion who remained unchanged since their introduction on Kaimere who become exclusive with time in Qajar region but instead was a sort of previous part population of the neothenic Common lion form who established themselve in the region after the extinction of the First Children and become and get again their normal physical appearance losing their neothenic trait because there was no others real big predators to compet with them. They even become a little more larger and bigger than regular lions on earth in Qajar.
How would asiatic lions and clouded leopards fair on kaimere
@@rylanbrewer3320 There barely any differences between typical the African Iion subspecies and the Asiatic one.
The specie in itself as a whole is already present on Kaimere and do pretty well.
Don't know for Clouded Leopards, but they have their chance to be present.
@@dudotolivier6363 how well would they do
@@dudotolivier6363 wouldAcinonyx pardinensis do well
Speaking of Big cats mutations patterns, Are there sometimes :
- For Kaimeran Tiger: Golden Tiger ?, White Tiger (albinos or Leucistic)?, Pseudo-melanistic Tiger ?, Maltese/Malta/Blue Tiger (hypothetical form not yet discovered on earth)?.
- For Kaimeran Leopard: Black Panther/Leopard/Ndalawo (check), White Leopard (albinos or leucistic (white panther)) ?
- For Kaimeran Lion : White Lion (albinos or leucistic)? Overall Spotted lion (but very spotted without hybridation)?
Kaimeran tigers usually only have melanistic and pseudo-melanism as mutations. Most tigers are conventional. There are no white or Maltese tigers on record in Kaimere.
Albinism impacts all species, but like most predators, these animals usually don't make it to adulthood.
Spotted lions are fairly common especially in island populations. This mutation is definitely selected for.
@@TalesofKaimere okay, but even in our world on earth, there many numerous account, even confirmed for most of them, of white albinos or Leucistic predators that manage to make adulthood and live without problems, even in complete wild nature.
There even one or two years ago a case of a white Puma/Mountain lion in Costa Rica (2013 and 2019 by Panthera Costa Rica) or Canis Latrans Coyote also in Costa Rica (December 2014-2018-2019 by UNED Research Journal) were found. In fact, since big or small speices Felidae are very adaptable and high efficient predators, being mostly nocturnal for all of them (so being normal, black or pure white in the dark and since herbivores have truly general poor nocturnal vision and black and white sight, that don't make real differences).
For orthers albinos or white predators others than cats, they most of the time manage to change their behavior to find the best way of life for them. It's maybe difficult but many find a way to become adult. it's also the same case for most of the herbivorous albinos or leucistic specimens.
In fact, most of the white specimens become so reclusive and elusive, discreet creature that is dificult to see them even with camera or big scientific material.
But in any case, these speciemsn show all of them that all species specimens and animals in general are all determined organics life that never resilient creatures who never gave up to survive to the end, and who never again willingly wither away.
Despite most of the bigs cat have process and made many hybridizations in past and even time to time today, there foreign others cats species genes for each species is only a small, little and not very significant part and aspect of their overall genome (except of course for the first, second and at maximun third generation specimens for the hybrids who can reproduce and made progeny).
The hybridization is way most frequent, easy and regular between almsot all the small cats specie/lineage, with on earth many races of domestic cats created after
having bred a normal domestic cat (felis Silvestris f. catus) and a specie of wild cat, like Leopard-cat, Ocelot, Serval, Chaus/Jungle Cat, etc... And in order to apply the spotted or striped patterns of the wild species to the Domestic cat. Many of them encounter a high success like pet, even today.
Since the early 1900 era and even time to time today, big cats (lion, leopard, tiger, jaguar...) or big small cats specie (Puma, Lynx...) have been and are reported and made in nature but more mainly artificially in zoos. As for touristic as real serious scientific issues (even if blammed more currently by animals protectiosn association who perceivec and describe these practices like against-natural realisation or others terms like this and thing that don't deserve to exist and be made again and apply), there are numerous and serve as good and interesting scientific example to show of how close or distant and divergent some species are towards the others species.
An interesting aspect who is putt the most in perspective is that males big cats hybrid (like Liger or Tigon to mention the most famous) are completely steriles, but femalles are normally fertils, and can reproduce with an other members of one of their two parents species (a Liger/Lion descendant is call a Liliger, and a Tigon/Tiger descendant is call a Titigons. A Liger/Tiger descendant is call a Tiliger). From this way, that can made a Speciation by hybridization process event, who can be positive if one or two differents parents have specific adaptations or favorables traits that the hybrids progeny can give to his own progeny if he reproduce with a member of one of his two parent species.
It's me or you have changed tiger and common lion drawings ?
I have indeed! Have been meaning to do so for a while, but this sponsorship gave me the time to do so. Lion was just an old South African lion I had been commissioned and was using as a placeholder, and the tiger was back when it was a generalist. Now that it's range is restricted and it's specialized for the Crescent jungles, the tiger's bigger, has a more basal pattern, and has longer legs for more proficient leaping at the expense of endurance, which it doesn't need anymore.
@@TalesofKaimere The ancient first form of the Tiger from the first "Mammalian Predators of Kaimere" video there almost one years is alway canon at 100% but become here a extinct generalist form that was more spread almost everywhere in the Known World before being outcompeted by others Panthera cats and others medium cats, to become exclusive to the angisoperm forest of the Cresent Jungle area and his current/revised specialist form is the today form of the specie.
He made that is call a speciation process event, and are a good example of this event, when a specie become more specialize in one or many thing to be better adapted agaisnt or for one or many specific conditions.
The Kaimeran Tiger is aslo a good example of a generalist successful wide spread specie who was forced to specialize and become less and less opportunistic because of the appearance of new species which are just as generalist and opportunistic in order to reduce competition and survive.
@@TalesofKaimere In the "Lion Day Special" video there almost one years, the three appearances/forms of the Lion on Kaimere still canon at 100% but are formers forms that the lions obtained and get quickly some time after being introduce on Kaimere (being only physically different from the earth african lion in terms of colors and sizes), before becoming for the Common and Black forms neothenic with time. Neothenic state that still persist even currently for the Common and Black Forms.
The Qajar/Qajarith lion form is the only form since this video is the only of the three form to still unchanged from this video and to be and have a normal generic lion appearance like we know so well, but is not a population of lion who remained unchanged since their introduction on Kaimere who become exclusive with time in Qajar region but instead was a sort of previous part population of the neothenic Common lion form who established themselve in the region after the extinction of the First Children and become and get again their normal physical appearance losing their neothenic trait because there was no others real big predators to compet with them. They even become a little more larger and bigger than regular lions on earth in Qajar.
I think it's awesome big cats are in Kaimere. I wonder if jaguars are in Kaimere since they do stand out by their bone crushing jaws that can break turtle and armadillo shells; being strong swimmers; and how they crush skulls instead of ripping throats. But I know that they used to live in the United States from California to Texas and possibly Louisiana, and there have been sightings in Arizona which is good because we don't have many large predators like we used to be before Europeans arrived
There may have been some jaguars in Europe at the time of that harvest, but by then red panthers already dominated the wetland niches, and they were later outcompeted by lions and leopards.
@@TalesofKaimere Hmm, that's really interesting. Yeah, I noticed that it's mostly cats from the Old World that arrived to Kaimere.
Drinking game: every time you here the sentence ‘this was not to last’ I’m sure y’all be drunk as hell by then
"This sobriety was not to last."
Hi I know Im late but do Kaimere have parrots because I love parrots and good job on your videos.
Yup! Parrots have been in Kaimere since the Oligocene
How big would the liger be if you mixed cave lion with the biggest tiger in Kaimere?
Since cave lions are bigger and Kaimeran tigers about half the size of the largest Earth tigers, I imagine around the same size as Earth ligers
Will there be a point in the project that humans from Earth who discovered kaimere
Possibly
@@TalesofKaimere It's not already establishment like plotpoint since the Assembly is in direct communication with the Free States people to explore and scientifiquely discovers more deeply the planet ?
Excuse me
But I need a bit of help
I’m trying to incorporate creatures like Nessie yeti and chupacabra in the biodome ( because I have birthdays the beginning )
And I don’t know how to put in the yeti
Can I have some help from you ? Please
Is it possible that cats of the future could not only possibly learn how to use the type of magic that makes Kaimere what it is but even evolve due to mutations that could be cause by said magic?
Like for example is it possible for some animals somehow asorb the DNA OF OTHER ANIMALS being transported onto Kaimir, resulting in some form of true Chimera's?
are the animals of the future going to be as limited by normal evolution as others or could expect strange interspecies hybrids or mutants? Like cats that were born with 6 limbs and the traits of birds that accidently got absorbed, allowing for wings and feathers to be possible later?
and if not, and bird cats are never to be a thing? then what about cats that simply evolve wings to fly, similar to bats? or flying squirll?
What can I say the idea of a flying cat species interests me.
Are there Armadillos in Kaimere?
Yup! Don't have specifics yet but I'm planning on them being pretty widespread.
@@TalesofKaimere ARMADILLO TIME LETS GO
@Keenan Taylor's Tales of Kaimere, we do know that an armadillo is any cingulate that belongs to the family Dasypodidae, which is the only extant family of cingulates, so the term "prehistoric armadillo" refers to extinct members of Dasypodidae that went extinct before modern times, the term "giant armadillo" refers exclusively to the species Priodontes maximus of the subfamily Tolypeutinae, which is the largest armadillo that's currently living, the extinct armadillo Macroeuphractus outesi of the subfamily Euphractinae was the largest armadillo that ever lived, there are four known subfamilies of armadillos (family Dasypodidae), Chlamyphorinae (Fairy Armadillos (contains 2 genera: Calyptophractus (includes 1 species: Calyptophractus retusus) and Chlamyphorus (includes 1 species: Chlamyphorus truncatus))), Dasypodinae (Long-Nosed Armadillos and Fossil Relatives (contains 1 genus: Dasypus (includes 7 species: Dasypus mazzai, Dasypus kappleri, Dasypus sabanicola, Dasypus hybridus, Dasypus pilosus, Dasypus septemcinctus, and Dasypus novemcinctus))), Tolypeutinae (Three-Banded Armadillos, Giant Armadillo, and Naked-Tailed Armadillos (contains 3 genera: Tolypeutes (includes 2 species: Tolypeutes tricinctus and Tolypeutes matacus), Priodontes (contains 1 species: Priodontes maximus), and Cabassous (contains 4 species: Cabassous tatouay, Cabassous chacoensis, Cabassous centralis, and Cabassous unicinctus))), and Euphractinae (Six-Banded Armadillos, Dwarf Armadillo, and Hairy Armadillos (contains 3 genera: Euphractus (includes 2 species: Euphractus sexcinctus and Euphractus tucumanus), Zaedyus (includes 1 species: Zaedyus pichiy), and Chaetophractus (includes 3 species: Chaetophractus villosus, Chaetophractus vellerosus, and Chaetophractus nationi))), it is shown that the fairy armadillos (subfamily Chlamyphorinae) are the most basal of the four subfamilies while dasypodines (subfamily Dasypodinae) are the sister group to a clade consisting of both Tolypeutinae and Euphractinae.
Big MEOW.
The ancient first form of the Tiger from the first "Mammalian Predators of Kaimere" video there almost one years is alway canon at 100% but become here a extinct generalist form that was more spread almost everywhere in the Known World before being outcompeted by others Panthera cats and others medium cats, to become exclusive to the angisoperm forest of the Cresent Jungle area and his current/revised specialist form is the today form of the specie.
He made that is call a speciation process event, and are a good example of this event, when a specie become more specialize in one or many thing to be better adapted agaisnt or for one or many specific conditions.
The Kaimeran Tiger is aslo a good example of a generalist successful wide spread specie who was forced to specialize and become less and less opportunistic because of the appearance of new species which are just as generalist and opportunistic in order to reduce competition and survive.
How well would you think snow leapords would do on kaimere
@@rylanbrewer3320 Snow Leopard technicaly have a chance to survived on Kaimere.
Despite being an overall warmer climate than on Earth a little more, Kaimere still have areas cold enough to support cold temperate and mountainous fauna.
The most well known example being the Highland of Arvel, where most of the Ice Age Europe fauna such Mammoths, Megaloceros, Homotherium, Cave Bears, Cave Hyena or Cave Lions thrives.
Even being a cold adaptive specie the Snow Leopard would live here, but anywhere else on the Known World (who is the entry point of all the planet, and the Snow Leopard being a Pleistocene specie, so very recent animal in real life).
However, sadly, there already a big cat fitting his ecological niche in the Arvelith Highlands, under the form of the Ice Age Eurasian Leopard, a cold adaptive subspecies of the extant African Leopard.
So, it's impossible due to the presence of this animal that the normal Snow Leopard can survived on Kaimere.
Would be possible without this subspecies, but things are like that.
@@dudotolivier6363 but don’t does guys primarily hunt on the mountains sides and not the steppes
@@rylanbrewer3320 The Highland of Arvel is a mosaic of habitats.
Most is indeed steppes, but there mountains too, who separate the Highland from the Lowland.
With a area of forest between the steppes and mountains.
@@dudotolivier6363 do you think xenosmilus or Jaguars would survive
There’s a cat that I am was doing even though I’m not an artist like I said it is what is known as called the otter cat which is the size of a jaguar but it’s the evolved version of the jaguarundi Hunting a mudskipper shark
What if the big cats of kaimer came back to earth
Just like American lions which are 1000 pounds some of them
It's very well known that males of big cats hybrids are steriles thus females hybrids are perfectly without problems fertiles. But things are like that because most of current species of big cats are too distant genetically and have because of this a number of chromosomes differents from each others that sufficient enough to make hybrids between them but not sufficient enough to make hybrids between them and who can't after that having babies by thmeselves.
Because yes, in hybrid domain, all is a question of chromosomes numbers which depends on the proximity and how much a two different species are genetically close. If two specie, being in two separate or in the same genus are sufficiently close to have offspring togethers (in general, they are differents but close species that diverged from a common ancestor in very recent and not so distant geological times, and are actually still quite young as species in their own right), hybris can happens.
After that level/(check)point, the rest is a question of chromosomes numbers. 1) If the two species have a significant number chromosomes differences in their genome, their offprings will be partially or completely steriles either for one of the two gender or for the two sex togethers with even others mental and physical problems like malformations for exemple. 2) if the two specie have a little only or identical number of chromosomes with any or minor diferences in their genome, so their offsprings will be perfectly viables and fertiles for all the two gender without or with not significant others problems, and can have offprings with between them or with an other member of one of their parents species.
In the case of the two Homotherium speicies on kaimere, since Keenan said they came from two differents harvest and two lineage of the same genus, despite bring in the same genus, the two specie seem to be and evolved separatly to divergent and possess differents and importants chromosomes numbers they developped when they where separated from each others. It's possible that some species, even close, in the same genus can have a big chromosomes numbers differences between them. One good case is with the Reeve's Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi) who possess 46 chromosomes and the Indian Muntjac (Muntiacus muntjac) who possess only 7 chromosomes ! (being the mammals specie on World records to have the smallest chromosomes number in earth history knowledge !).
So, it's not abberant if the Highland and Lowland Homotheriums can't perfectly reproduce between them, their case must be in the same situation that the two muntjac species I mention.
Dark letter 21
A big cat is actually any feline/modern cat that belongs to the tribe Pantherini, Pantherini contains 7 genera and two subtribes, Acinonychina - the lesser big cats (includes Acinonyx (contains 2 species: Acinonyx venaticus and Acinonyx jubatus), Puma (contains 1 species: Puma concolor), and Herpailurus (contains 1 species: Herpailurus yagouaroundi)) and Pantherina (includes 4 genera: Panthera (contains 2 species: Panthera pardus and Panthera leo), Uncia (contains 2 species: Uncia uncia and Uncia tigris), Jaguarius (contains 1 species: Jaguarius onca), and Neofelis (contains 2 species: Neofelis nebulosa and Neofelis diardi)).
For everyone who read his comment, forget completely this later and don't take it into account at ALL, it's just a compilation of untrue and volontary misleading and desinformation informations.
Everything is Fake/False.
Wanna hear about the feli forms I made in the biodome
I'm in !
@@dudotolivier6363 ok true cats first
The barn cat ( it’s a cat with a owl like pattern on its face and it’s a good pet )
Bobo ( the tree cheetah )
These guys are descendants of North American cheetahs who went in the biodome and became the size of a Labrador retriever and could climb trees
Swamp bobcat
This species of lynx/bobcat has adapted to a swampy habitat from having a diet of fish and amphibians to having webbed paws
They are as big as a springer spaniel ( dog )
Cave tiger
Their a descendant of cave lions but they have adapted stripes making people think they are related to the tigers on islands
Chonk ( the false bear )
This is a ghost clade of cats more closely related to the puma ( cougar) and they are robust as hell with soft black and brown spotted fur making them feel like a Maine coon cat
But they live like a black bear
They are big as a liger
Now on to the sabre tooth cats
Vogo
They are a species of deinofelis with a life style like a clouded leopard with small sabre teeth they can only bring down lemurs and lesser apes
They are big as a anteater
Dofomah
These are descendants of the smilodon but They live like mountain lions and compete with cave tigers but with a raccoon like mask and long claws with are able to bring down young giant goats ( they are giant domesticated goats that are the horse to the people in the biodome ) they’re a bit bigger than a lion
And the largest of the sabre tooth’s
The juju
( named it after my cat : D )
They are descendant of homotherium but with the longest sabre teeth of the sabre tooth cats that are hunters of young horse sized sauropods but they have a symbiotic relationship with a species of griffin ( a.k.a dromaosaur ) they usually lead them to kills and let them eat first but the key defining feature they have is
They have tuffs of fur on their ears ( like lynxes and my juju : D )
Their the size of a rhino
Now for the final one
Hyenas
The lesser aardwolf
Basically the aardwolf’s of earth but bigger ( the size of goat )
The greater aardwolf
Their are descendants of cave hyenas that have evolved to be a eusocial insect scavenger ( like when the ant eating glyptodont is finished eating the greater and lesser aardwolf’s come in and eat the rest of the insects ) but on the out side they look like a wild pint sized normal aardwolf with a robust build
Do you like ?
@@dudotolivier6363 th-cam.com/users/shortsm7Wcb0M94XA?feature=share
@@seanessdragon4142 well looks like you're making your own speculative biology project like me.Congrats.I also have created some cats.I can share my idea if you liked it.
@@shingtiong9425 dude your talking to a guy who named a rhino sized sabre tooth cat after his cat
In short
YES PLEASE SHOOT AT ME!
Are there any amphicyonids in Kaimere?
Not in the current canon but that may change as I develop the Eastern continent.
Hedgeback
Cats
I think this guy is too much of a Dino fan boy
Everyone’s got their opinion.