After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
I have had my Ruger 17 WSM for a year now. The more you shoot it the better the accuracy. Even though Ruger rifles shoot good right out of the box, it still takes about 100 rounds to get them tuned in. I always shoot the Winchester brand ammo and I get a lot of tight groups. And a lot of woodchucks. One shot is all it usually takes. And it isn't as loud as larger caliber rifles, so if there are more than on woodchuck in the field it doesn't scare them off as easy. I do recommend using a bore snake rathe than a rod to clean them. I highly recommend this rifle for anyone that likes to hunt varmints.
It's an interesting calibre. I just sold mine to a mate who really wanted my rifle lol, so I'm now waiting for Winchester to make a 204 or 22 WSM. I'd love to have something in a WSM rimfire that pushes a decent 35-40gr pill for varmint hunting...
Nice review.If the ammo price can be reduced it would be perfect in the UK for those who don't reload. I use WD 40 on my rotary mag for my 17hmr Browning T-bolt. It sorts out sticking cases rapidly.
It's easy to increase the spring loading in the magazine by loosening the nut on the end and turning up the tension. That should easily force up the next round when cycling the bolt.
Beautiful rifle man. Great review. Theres nothing like a old school walnut stock!!! Im glad Ruger is still offering rimfire rifles with walnut instead of only synthetics. I just cant bond with a rifle that feels like a plastic toy. When you buy the Ruger you get a quality rifle thats on the same level as its centerfires. Other brands seem like they cheap out on rimfire rifles.
Excellent review. It's 4/6/21 here I'm in Delaware and after seeing this I think I'll buy the Ruger. After owning a number of 77/22's I've found you must install the Volquartson trigger kit. It'll take your pull from about 5lbs to 2 or 2-1/2 which is a big deal. If this guy had the better trigger I'm sure his groups would be smaller.. The Savage is much cheaper than Ruger and usually more accurate but I just can't get used the looks of a Savage bolt. Probably after he shoots about 500 rounds his barrel will settle down and his groups will get better. Again, excellent review from a real Pro.
I was thinking that maybe some of the rounds are hotter than others. Certainly the sound seemed varied between some of those rounds. This may have simply been location of slightly different backgrounds whilst melon shooting. I've shot a couple of pigs with mine at relatively close ranges 20 metres. One dropped instantly the other ran about 20feet. Was surprised by the projectile penetration. Close range stalking it seems fine. I've even shot other wild biar with larger calibres and had them run. I guess it just depends on what's going on once the projectiles have hit. Id have to shoot 20-30 more before coming to a conclusion regarding the calibres capabilities. But is an explosive little round!
Hey Ozzie great review. The groups speak for themselves. I have one Ruger in my safe and I doubt I'll ever put another one in. This review basically convinced me things haven't changed.
+trentdramas Yeah I have mixed results with Rugers, but generally I'm happy to put some time into them for better groups... still I'm happy with the Winchester 20gr ammo, under an inch at 100 is good enough for me :)
I just can`t get excited about anything 17 cal. I`ve shot a couple of them and they shoot pretty good but...they`re TINY! my favorite small bore is the 22 hornet...cheap to shoot and you can do so much with it. I just have a hard time trying to find a need for the 17`s
Hey Ozzie, more great stuff as always. One thing I do wish was left in is @17:55 when you have chosen the round you're going to sight in further for the can shooting, I would love to see a final group on paper of the more accurate round you chose for the rifle. Even if it was just an inset picture as you transition to the footage of the next bit.
+Cory Cooper I'm going to put more time into the rifle and calibre, might show an updated accuracy (once I tweak it) and maybe some ferals taken with it for something different?
My magazine did the same thing.Pulled it apart, took a small amount of material off the long end of the rotor with some fine emery and reassembled, no problem.I agree, trigger is pretty ordinary.
Nice review! I would HIGHLY recommend upgrading the trigger if you haven't already. I upgraded to the Jard 2lb trigger in mine and it's a whole new rifle. You will no longer see those fliers like you are getting due to the terrible Ruger factory trigger. Mine shoots a ragged hole 6 shot group with the 20 Grain Hornady at 100 yards all day. Also, the ammo is very cheap when buying in bulk on Gunbroker. I recommend searching as it can be found for less than a quarter a shot ($0.25)
Awesome review as always Ozzie and keep sticking it to those Greens. As a thought, any chance you might be reviewing the CZ455 Multi Barrel package (.22LR, .22Mag, .17HMR)? I used to love the old Brunos and have had my eye on the multi barrel combo for a while now as a great little bunny buster with the .22LR with the option to swap out to one of the mag barrels for foxes/cats. The locking mechanism for the barrels looks nice and solid too and easy to change out, but I'd love to see a review from yours truly to make my mind up. Keep up the good work!
I've handled one in the local shop and the action is nice and mechanical (a bit Mauserish) and the fit and finish is top notch. I've heard a lot about the CZ's and their performance too, particularly the 452's, and I've seen plenty of reviews on everything but the 455 combo, which I thought would be right up your alley! Anyway mate, thanks for the reply and keep up the great work.
I can't see this cartridge really taking off until they can make quality, affordable ammunition for it. An offering from RWS, Eley, SK etc would get me a little more interested.
nice set up but suspect it would gut a rabbit totally, just like the .22 Hornet does. .22 WMR better for the pot ? depends on what you want of course. thanks for great vid.
I suggest that you review the CZ 455 three barrel combo as I think it would be a practical rifle to have as you interchange calibers easily. Not only is it accurate on all barrels, but can be very economic with having the three calibers on the one gun. I have ordered one, reviews I have seen so far have no real negatives ones to be honest. I'd love to see your opinion on the rifle at least. Thanks
Great review Ozzie, very accurate, Just purchased one myself and have the same problem with the mag sticking, I pulled it down and unless the centre screw is left almost loose it still sticks, will be looking into it more.
+zixxy Yeah usually if you loosen the mag screw ever so slightly, the ammo will pop up, but even after doing that, I could not get the mag to function entirely. NIOA sent out a replacement and it works flawlessly. I'd just contact them mate to be honest, their customer service is really good!
Have you had any long term issues with the proprietary Ruger scope rings? I've heard those can wobble or easily come loose. Beautiful looking rifle with the stainless metal and Walnut stock.
That's what I was thinking. The only reason I could think of to have one is if you live somewhere with laws that restrict access to centrefire rifles but allow rimfire.
I have had alot of issues with my 17 hmr, after 50-100 shots it will start to spread alot. Same probably goes for most .17 calibers. The small bore gets junked up fast and then accuracy is is affected. Much faster then larger bore calibers.
Well now, I have to say I am impressed with Ruger in general but not the performance of this ammunition. I thought for certain, that there would have been tighter groups than that. Especially as you used a bipod ! I just this past week, took delivery of my new Savage 25 Walking Varminter with 20`barrel. It`s chambered in .223, so I`m looking forward to range time with this. Last time we `chatted` Ozzie, I had a Weatherby ordered, but the dealer couldn`t get delivery delivery for another 2 to 3 months, so I opted for the Savage. Time will tell if I made the right decision. Thanks for this video, I always enjoy your reviews. Cheers!
Yeah I agree, I'm really hoping they do a 204WSM or .22WSM and open up the heavier projectiles... my biggest complaint about cleaning a 17 is the amount of times I bend my cleaning rod cos it's so damn thin, argh! lol
Too true! The patches tend to fall off half way up the barrel on my 17HMR. A 40 to 45 grain bullet in 22WSM would push it close to a 22 Hornet I reckon, with easier cleaning to boot .
Plus the option of heavier projectiles would open up so much more of an all-rounder calibre... as you say close to a 22 hornet would be awesome in a rimfire!
Is there an even bigger parent case nail gun blank they could use to really increase power of the rimfire to really exceed 400ftlbs of the .17WSM? Thanks
The stock trigger can be greatly improved. The sear engagement angle is wrong, that can be stoned to a proper angle and engagement reduced. As with many newer guns the trigger pushes the striker further back before it releases. Lawyer BS to avoid liability. Great, well made little guns otherwise, The mag is the chintziest part.
Brilliant review ozzie. One of these would be brilliant for wallabies if I had a supply of the cartridge and money for the rifle lol. It's kinda a chore to fire all those rounds just to get the accuracy just right, my 22 Norinco took at least 30 or so shots and then it really started to show its true potential. I never clean the barrel of the .22 though, just my centrefires.
s Can Well, I took the bolt out and polished it on a electric buffing wheel I had bolted to my bench, used light sandpaper on the underside where the finish is pretty rough to smoothen the cartridge insertion. Stripped the whole action and degreased it of the chines packing oil (which is greasy junk),lightened the trigger by undoing a small screw to the rear of the trigger very lightly, just to make it not as heavy as the standard model (which is very heavy). Polished the sear, sandpaper'd the rest of the metalwork where I saw fit, used tyre-shine on the nylon stock and ran over 100 rounds of CCI standard velocity through the barrel to get it shooting right AND smoothen the cycling. Basically apply TLC.
It's an ok rifle if you can find 17WSM ammo, I just shoot my 204 Ruger, its far less expensive to shoot plus way more accurate, I reload the 204 with 39gr Sierra Blitzking bullets, shoots 1/4" groups all day long at 100 from my Remington 700 VLS, my velocity is right around 3800 FPS.
I love my 17 win super mag. I agree with you mentioning the matt finish on the stainless steel barrel. I am in The USA, and i am interested to know what are your gun laws there? I have heard all sorts of different things. So i would like to know from someone that lives there. The Savage is an excellent gun for the money (it has a better trigger and its adjustable compared to the Ruger IMO), you can buy there here in the US for $289 USD. all you need to do to make them shoot spot on is buy a new stock for $130 USD AND bed it in. The factory one is very flimsy. Another interesting fact is here our magazines are 8 rounds Just info you may be interested in (ammo prices here): Winchester 17WSM $13.28USD American Eagle 17WSM $17.00USD TIP: Bed that barrel in and you will get rid of those flyers. Great video.
Having been to the states for a while and come back, our laws are pretty strict in comparison. You can get access to firearms but only have access to limited categories and and it is generally rather time consuming waiting for license clearances and waiting for weapon permits to clear. Basically no semi auto rifles unless you run a pest control business or you are a primary producer(farmer). Pistols are allowed but they can only be taken to and used at a range and you must go to a pistol shoot a few times a year to maintain the license depending on the state. If you get caught with a pistol anywhere but at a range, you are basically cooked and the consequences are substantial. Different states have different laws regarding magazine capacity, adjustable stocks and weapon appearances. Some states are so strict that if your gun looks too scary or "tactical" then it can basically be confiscated or the model will be outright banned even if its just a bolt gun. Recently lever action shotguns in one of our states were reduced down to a 5 round capacity. Police will do random gun checks with a 24 hour notice and will come onto your property to inspect all your firearms are accounted for and check the integrity of your safe along with all safe storage procedures (bolt removed, ammo stored in separate safe/locked compartment). Our firing ranges are also pretty strict with most if not all ranges I've been to only allowing you to load a single round into your rifle at a time. Suppressors are categorized as military weapons and few states will give an exemption which is rare so plenty of farmers and shooters end up with some degree of hearing loss.
Just to give you an idea of how strict gun laws are, gel blasters in some states (which shoot a hydro gel bal) and BB guns in all states are classified as firearms because of the speed at which the projectiles leave the barrel. Even the nerf gun toys are reduced in power with weaker springs when sold in australia as we get different models.
@@zaccy I have been you Darwin (NT) years ago, but at that time I didnt look into the gun laws there. Are the rules there for guns the same across the continent ? or is it like there, It kinda depends on where you are. The rules here can very state to state.
+Kman31ca I agree, this is why I pretty much skipped the 17HMR for my own personal use and went for the 17WSM, having almost 3 times the energy @ 200 yards over the 17HMR, it's perfect for foxes, coyotes etc up to that range with the correct shot placement...
G'day Ozzie, I'm completely stumped with what to pick up here. I'm looking at a rifle with a little more thump than .22lr for taking pest birds out of trees and on the ground without using a shotgun, but i'm completely stuffed with what would be best suited 17hmr, 17wsm or even 17 hornet. Thanks mate!
+ozziereviews G'day, thanks for replying, distance will be anywhere between 30 yards (shooting from underneath in trees) to around 150 yards for more flighty ones that you can't get any closer to
Ok a few things to consider... The 17 whether it is a HMR, WSM or Hornet will easily take birds of any description, it just comes down to the distance and accuracy to make the shot count. If you were only shooting up to 100 yards, I'd be going for the HMR as it's the cheapest of the lot to run and the ammo is plentiful. Whilst the WSM will EASILY take birds out beyond 150 yards, the accuracy may fail with the ammo that I have tried so far. Its a fussy calibre to play with but I enjoy the challenge all the same. You could go to the 17 Hornet but only if you reload, the reason I say this is because it is really expensive to buy the ammo for, but to re-load it'll be just as cheap as 17HMR ammo to run. The other thing with the hornet is you'll be able to experiment with basic loads to best suit the distance you're shooting. So mate my honest thoughts would be go for the 17HMR if you're really going to be shooting no more than 100 yards (i know people will say they can shoot 200 yards with theirs but with what accuracy and especially with some wind) or just get yourself a 17 hornet and re-load to have the widest options with projectiles, accuracy and capability... hope that helps?
Even with the cleaning you gave it I was not convinced with the accuracy. Maybe if you shot 5 rounds before you went for groupings we would get a better reflection of it’s capabilities. On this evidence, it’s a no go for me.
Hey Ozzie, that's was a Great! Review of the Ruger 77/17 17WSM. I must say I recently purchased mine mid last year. Ever since I bought the rifle I fell in love with it right away! It sure is a unique caliber without a doubt. I am currently looking for a original stock for mine, for my stock is damaged from a slight crack on the pistol grip. I would appreciate the help from anyone down states to help me find one for sale. Again Ozzie, wonderful review! #AlaskanFan🥶💯
Nice review Ozzie, love the look of the rifle and very impressive groups. Do you think the 17 wsm is better overall compared to 17hmr? I like the 17 hmr because it is pretty cheap, but I also like to shoot long range...
I have a 17 ack, they are a great fox rifle, however there Achilles heel is always barrel fouling, 17 Rem were worse, it was not unusual to have to clean it every 5 or six shots, 17 Hornets and 17 ack were better but 10 shots then a clean was the norm. To test a 17 properly you really need to clean it before each lot of ammo. Your group size should be about the size of a 5 cent piece. In the end it's far easier to go 222, 223 or 22-250, saves taking cleaning gear around the paddock!
ossie can't really see the point in this cartridge i think you are better off with the .17hornet and the ability to reload it to the performance you require and more cheaply. what do you think .
If you're into reloading - sure... but then theres the other side of it too, this cartridge allows more energy for rimfire firearm categories under our licensing here. i.e. Category-C being semi-auto rimfire up to 10 rounds, where's a semi-auto 17hornet would be Category-D which is out of reach for 99% of Australian shooters...
I have stopped using my 77-22 (hornet) in favor of my 77-17 (17wsm) for a multitude of reasons. Mainly for the cost savings and vastly superior trajectory (shoots out of this world flat), but I have also grown fond of how quiet it is considering what it's capable of. It's definitely more quiet than my hornet rifle with the initial report, and the crack is roughly the same believe it or not. I really don't see the sense in shooting a .22 hornet anymore as you can achieve similar performance with the 17 WSM, albeit much cheaper and with much greater accuracy (in my opinion).
Yes it's interesting to see the results with the 17WSM round overall... I'm certainly putting some more time into it and want to test it out to 200 yards...
Tune your rifle before shooting groups. True action/lighten trigger/11deg crown/bed action properly/make sure u used a good scope/ and bed the scope to the mounts oh and use good mounts. Cheers
I do have a 223, but sometimes there's a need for something with less shot noise and if they released a 204WSM or 22WSM, because it's rimfire it'd open up a heap of semi-auto (category-c) options which is far more within reach to Australian shooters then centrefire semi-autos (category-d).
Another great review Ozzie. How did you find the noise in comparison to a 22LR (with HV rounds) and a 17HMR? Some of my smaller fox properties don't like the volume of the .204 so just looking for a quieter alternative that still has the legs to reach out to 100+ Cheers mate and keep up the good work!
Yes it would but if you want to save money in ammunition it'd be worth looking at the 17 hornet as you can reload it and you will get more accuracy over the 17WSM.
Spot on ozzie. I hand load all my ammunition, from my 17 hornet and formerly 17 rem. All the way up to my big boys the 45/70 and 416 Rigby. By far the most fun to shoot and load for is the 17 hornet. Basically a 17hmr on steroids
Every Ruger rifle I've ever owned needs a certain amount of copper fouling in the barrel in order to shoot well. Hopefully, after a couple of hundred rounds the groups tightened up.
+lindsay cooper My view is if people want to fill the gap between the 22lr and the 223, the 17WSM has advantages, it's a lot quieter than the 223 (just a tad over the noise of the 22mag) and it has way more energy than the 22, 22mag, 17hmr but not as much as the 223, so if you want to take foxes or other similar game without the echoing of the 223 shot noise but want way more punch than the 22, I think it's an interesting calibre...
Great review Ozzie, as usual. I really like the small CF calibres and shoot a .204 Ruger myself. Although, mine's a Tikka. Cost benefits and accuracy are greatly improved if you reload your own ammunition and a good excuse to buy more kit!All the best and keep up the good work!
don't know that gun but was it a 1:9 twist or a 1:8? When I first got my savage b.mag it was a 1:9. They scrapped that twist rate for a 1:8 and now I get single hole results. Also, look at your brass. is there any blow by showing up on the casings? if so then you'd have the same problem the savage b.mag did when it very first came out.
I guess it depends on how far you plan to shoot these varmint. I use the 17 WSM for shots up to 125 yards and my Ruger No. 1 in 223 caliber for longer shots. The 204 caliber is nice but the ammo it to hard to find and more expensive. Thats why I use the 223 varmint ammo. I never heard of a 22 WSM.
No need to replace the trigger. You can get the trigger pull down to just over 2lbs by taking some material off the sear and the top of the trigger, then polishing the interacting surfaces between the sear and trigger and finish it up by installing a spring from M-Carbo.
Sounds like a lot of work and screwing around for a non-adjustable setup. I chose the rifle basix because it is a drop in replacement and a damn good one. You won’t get 20 ounces out of Rugers trigger with improvement so that is what sealed the deal for me. Worth every penny
How is the trigger on your Ruger, I've read that a lot of people are switching triggers due to rough trigger pull. The last group you showed with the Hornady V-Max is more consistent with my experience with the Hornady that I'm Firing out of my B-Mag. I know you said that you've heard issues with the Savage and I've seen where others have too, but guess I got really lucky with mine. I really love the >17 WSM and hopefully it works out for you.
Yeah it's rough and heavy from the factory so a good polish up is definitely on the agenda :) Because of the ammo price, I've decided to stick with the Winchester 20gr ammo, so I will work on that. If I can continue to shoot under an inch @ 100 yards, I'm happy, if I can shoot under an inch @ 200 yards, I'll be even happier!
The .17 WSM velocity of rounds can vary by 200 fps, that will cause "flyers". It would be better to shoot 100 rounds of each ammo type to get a better idea of bullet accuracy. I suspect bullets that produce tighter groups have a lower fps variance, and probably reflect factory quality control. There are other things that cause wide grouping, however, cavedweller1959 has a video regarding variance. ... I have a CZ American, I think it is a 452 in .17 HMR - I have not shot it in years, I am disabled. However, I have shot groups 5/8" max spread, 5 shot group at 100 yards. Sometimes 3 of the rounds would touch or cut into each other. My problem was the scope, I could not always see the center of the target, the scope was under powered for precision work, and I cannot replace it because a friend of mine installed it and torqued the flat head screws so tight neither of us could remove the scope rings without damaging something. In any event, if I was able to see it, I could shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 100 yards. [I am a former member USAMU. You should be able to do a search to find them if you are not familiar.]
+Daniel Curtis can you shoot 1 moa from a field position? I sure as hell can't, so accurate enough in my book. That said, $1500, and sacrifices the 223's ability to reload and take larger game for cheaper ammo? I'll pass based on that. I can see how this caliber would fill a niche though, 38c for a dead pest is a pretty good return.
+Elliott G off that bench with my CZ varmint kevlar 223 ($1295) you bet I could. I would even go as far as to say my lithgow la101 22lr would outshoot that at 100m. I own a Ruger 77 and for what they charge they really are pretty poor in the accuracy dept. As for the 38c a shot I can reload for similar money and fine tune loads to my rifles.
I think the target audience for this rifle is people who are: not bench shooting, not reloading, and need to deal with small pests from a vehicle. Well, that's not me (see above where I said I'll pass because 223 is more flexible) but it might be someone else. Different strokes. ;)
The fact remains that he was shooting off a bench and got poor results in perfect conditions as he states, which means in the real world you could expect those groups to grow. I don't know about you but a 3inch + group at 200 would not be my idea of a safe bet to take small game. Close the distance and shoot 22lr for cheap kills.
These companies just cobble guns together so they look good, but don't really care how they shoot. I would much rather have an ugly tack driver than a pretty gun that groups like a shotgun, there's no point to having these superior ballistics if you cant hit anything. Guns 50 years ago could shoot this good and sometimes better, surely with modern technology things should have improved. I say, to hell with these companies that just keep giving us junk. Thanks.
You should have chronograph-ed those rounds i bet they are 200 fps spread but since they tightened up after cleaning i'd be more inclined to think it was a barrel issue did you inspect the crown ?
I love my 17wsm. Mate, if you want to have some fun take it out for hogs and head shoot them. Ear shot is the way to go, you can shoot a little posterior high neck and they also drop. You can't be the cartridge for the price. If you can shoot and you can, it will take anything Australia has to offer, head shooting that is.
It kinda sucks to see such a nice looking rifle followed by poor groups! I've heard they are tack drivers after a few upgrades but for the price of the rifle accuracy shouldn't be an issue, especially when anschutz 1416 & 1517 models are the same price as the ruger
I’ve never had any of the 3 Ruger 77’s I’ve owned or any of the others I’ve shot, shoot worth a damn. I’ve got rid of everyone of the ones I owned and wouldn’t by another one
Elwood epps (my local gun smith ) did some trigger work on mine, I can comfortably hold a 1.5" group at 200 yards which is more than good enough for me. As long as I keep it clean I find it to be a consistent rifle.
+Bill McGregor I have a Cabelas exclusive heavy fluted barrel which can hold a half inch group at 100 yards as long as I do my part. Ordered a Boyd's stock and bedded the action. Fun cartridge for sure and deadly in capable hands 👍
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
As always Ozzie, good articulate coverage and very nice walnut stocked Ruger.Stay well, also from Oz.
My Ruger M77 17WSM is awesome ever since I changed the trigger.. Its a tack driver using the 25 gr ammo..
That's the Achilles heel on this gun. Sadly I got rid of mine and now I want another one and first thing I'm going to do is change the trigger spring.
I have had my Ruger 17 WSM for a year now. The more you shoot it the better the accuracy. Even though Ruger rifles shoot good right out of the box, it still takes about 100 rounds to get them tuned in. I always shoot the Winchester brand ammo and I get a lot of tight groups. And a lot of woodchucks. One shot is all it usually takes. And it isn't as loud as larger caliber rifles, so if there are more than on woodchuck in the field it doesn't scare them off as easy. I do recommend using a bore snake rathe than a rod to clean them. I highly recommend this rifle for anyone that likes to hunt varmints.
It's an interesting calibre. I just sold mine to a mate who really wanted my rifle lol, so I'm now waiting for Winchester to make a 204 or 22 WSM. I'd love to have something in a WSM rimfire that pushes a decent 35-40gr pill for varmint hunting...
Nice review.If the ammo price can be reduced it would be perfect in the UK for those who don't reload. I use WD 40 on my rotary mag for my 17hmr Browning T-bolt. It sorts out sticking cases rapidly.
It's easy to increase the spring loading in the magazine by loosening the nut on the end and turning up the tension. That should easily force up the next round when cycling the bolt.
Beautiful rifle man. Great review. Theres nothing like a old school walnut stock!!! Im glad Ruger is still offering rimfire rifles with walnut instead of only synthetics. I just cant bond with a rifle that feels like a plastic toy. When you buy the Ruger you get a quality rifle thats on the same level as its centerfires. Other brands seem like they cheap out on rimfire rifles.
Excellent review. It's 4/6/21 here I'm in Delaware and after seeing this I think I'll buy the Ruger. After owning a number of 77/22's I've found you must install the Volquartson trigger kit. It'll take your pull from about 5lbs to 2 or 2-1/2 which is a big deal. If this guy had the better trigger I'm sure his groups would be smaller.. The Savage is much cheaper than Ruger and usually more accurate but I just can't get used the looks of a Savage bolt. Probably after he shoots about 500 rounds his barrel will settle down and his groups will get better. Again, excellent review from a real Pro.
I have the Savage in WSM, I found if I weigh and separate the rounds by weight, the accuracy is outstanding. You should give it a try.
I was thinking that maybe some of the rounds are hotter than others. Certainly the sound seemed varied between some of those rounds. This may have simply been location of slightly different backgrounds whilst melon shooting. I've shot a couple of pigs with mine at relatively close ranges 20 metres. One dropped instantly the other ran about 20feet. Was surprised by the projectile penetration. Close range stalking it seems fine. I've even shot other wild biar with larger calibres and had them run. I guess it just depends on what's going on once the projectiles have hit. Id have to shoot 20-30 more before coming to a conclusion regarding the calibres capabilities. But is an explosive little round!
I always enjoy your reviews thanks for providing them.
Thank you mate, I appreciate supportive comments like yours, cheers!
Hey Ozzie great review. The groups speak for themselves. I have one Ruger in my safe and I doubt I'll ever put another one in. This review basically convinced me things haven't changed.
+trentdramas Yeah I have mixed results with Rugers, but generally I'm happy to put some time into them for better groups... still I'm happy with the Winchester 20gr ammo, under an inch at 100 is good enough for me :)
Rugers shoot gun only seen one that needed barrel cut back inch but that was because to much heat on barrel taking off the ramp
I just can`t get excited about anything 17 cal. I`ve shot a couple of them and they shoot pretty good but...they`re TINY! my favorite small bore is the 22 hornet...cheap to shoot and you can do so much with it. I just have a hard time trying to find a need for the 17`s
Hey Ozzie, more great stuff as always. One thing I do wish was left in is @17:55 when you have chosen the round you're going to sight in further for the can shooting, I would love to see a final group on paper of the more accurate round you chose for the rifle. Even if it was just an inset picture as you transition to the footage of the next bit.
+Cory Cooper I'm going to put more time into the rifle and calibre, might show an updated accuracy (once I tweak it) and maybe some ferals taken with it for something different?
My magazine did the same thing.Pulled it apart, took a small amount of material off the long end of the rotor with some fine emery and reassembled, no problem.I agree, trigger is pretty ordinary.
Cool thanks for the tip Justin
Nice review! I would HIGHLY recommend upgrading the trigger if you haven't already. I upgraded to the Jard 2lb trigger in mine and it's a whole new rifle. You will no longer see those fliers like you are getting due to the terrible Ruger factory trigger. Mine shoots a ragged hole 6 shot group with the 20 Grain Hornady at 100 yards all day. Also, the ammo is very cheap when buying in bulk on Gunbroker. I recommend searching as it can be found for less than a quarter a shot ($0.25)
+Johnny Dice Yep, agreed on the trigger, definitely, but the ammo from gun broker isn't available to us down here in Australia :(
Triggers good
Great video. I started watching and waiting for the joker with the Australian accent to start narrating.
Awesome review as always Ozzie and keep sticking it to those Greens. As a thought, any chance you might be reviewing the CZ455 Multi Barrel package (.22LR, .22Mag, .17HMR)? I used to love the old Brunos and have had my eye on the multi barrel combo for a while now as a great little bunny buster with the .22LR with the option to swap out to one of the mag barrels for foxes/cats. The locking mechanism for the barrels looks nice and solid too and easy to change out, but I'd love to see a review from yours truly to make my mind up. Keep up the good work!
+TheGlennslattery Yeah I'd be keen to review that, I like CZ but haven't reviewed any of their firearms as yet...
I've handled one in the local shop and the action is nice and mechanical (a bit Mauserish) and the fit and finish is top notch. I've heard a lot about the CZ's and their performance too, particularly the 452's, and I've seen plenty of reviews on everything but the 455 combo, which I thought would be right up your alley! Anyway mate, thanks for the reply and keep up the great work.
Yeah it is up my alley, I just haven't had the funds to get one as yet lol
+ozziereviews Likewise, I might have to trade a few in I think lol
I can't see this cartridge really taking off until they can make quality, affordable ammunition for it. An offering from RWS, Eley, SK etc would get me a little more interested.
+Elliott G I'd love to see more ammo manufacturers jump onboard thats for sure!
nice set up but suspect it would gut a rabbit totally, just like the .22 Hornet does. .22 WMR better for the pot ? depends on what you want of course. thanks for great vid.
I suggest that you review the CZ 455 three barrel combo as I think it would be a practical rifle to have as you interchange calibers easily. Not only is it accurate on all barrels, but can be very economic with having the three calibers on the one gun. I have ordered one, reviews I have seen so far have no real negatives ones to be honest. I'd love to see your opinion on the rifle at least. Thanks
I'm glad you talked about Exchange rates, economics really does affect us as shooters but I rarely hear it talked about.
Ya same here in Canada. Compared to last year at this time prices climbed a good 10 to 20%. Especially optics.
But health insurance is free so it's a wash..
Man if ammo was available this would be a fun cartridge. About half the price of .223 and would work on all the little things I need to deal with.
Another great review. Glad you got your magazine fixed. Thanks!
Great review Ozzie, very accurate, Just purchased one myself and have the same problem with the mag sticking, I pulled it down and unless the centre screw is left almost loose it still sticks, will be looking into it more.
+zixxy Yeah usually if you loosen the mag screw ever so slightly, the ammo will pop up, but even after doing that, I could not get the mag to function entirely. NIOA sent out a replacement and it works flawlessly. I'd just contact them mate to be honest, their customer service is really good!
What kind of range has the Winchester Super Magnum Rimfire got to cleanly kill a fox side on.
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Have you had any long term issues with the proprietary Ruger scope rings? I've heard those can wobble or easily come loose. Beautiful looking rifle with the stainless metal and Walnut stock.
40 grain 223 would appear to be a better option. For me 223 is just too versatile to warrant this gun.
That's what I was thinking. The only reason I could think of to have one is if you live somewhere with laws that restrict access to centrefire rifles but allow rimfire.
I have had alot of issues with my 17 hmr, after 50-100 shots it will start to spread alot.
Same probably goes for most .17 calibers. The small bore gets junked up fast and then accuracy is is affected. Much faster then larger bore calibers.
Well now, I have to say I am impressed with Ruger in general but not the performance of this ammunition. I thought for certain, that there would have been tighter groups than that. Especially as you used a bipod !
I just this past week, took delivery of my new Savage 25 Walking Varminter with 20`barrel. It`s chambered in .223, so I`m looking forward to range time with this.
Last time we `chatted` Ozzie, I had a Weatherby ordered, but the dealer couldn`t get delivery delivery for another 2 to 3 months, so I opted for the Savage. Time will tell if I made the right decision.
Thanks for this video, I always enjoy your reviews.
Cheers!
My Bmag is a tack driver with the 20grain Hornadays
It seems that this caliber has not fixed.
Many thanks for sharing.
Do you know if anyone makes the 17 wsm in a semi auto ? Love the video man great work 👌👌👌🎯🎯🎯
I think Winchester could make a .204 WSM and use a 34 grain bullet around 2,600 fps. The 17 calibres are difficult to clean.
Yeah I agree, I'm really hoping they do a 204WSM or .22WSM and open up the heavier projectiles... my biggest complaint about cleaning a 17 is the amount of times I bend my cleaning rod cos it's so damn thin, argh! lol
Too true! The patches tend to fall off half way up the barrel on my 17HMR. A 40 to 45 grain bullet in 22WSM would push it close to a 22 Hornet I reckon, with easier cleaning to boot .
Plus the option of heavier projectiles would open up so much more of an all-rounder calibre... as you say close to a 22 hornet would be awesome in a rimfire!
Just use a .17 caliber bore snake. Works great.
Is there an even bigger parent case nail gun blank they could use to really increase power of the rimfire to really exceed 400ftlbs of the .17WSM? Thanks
Good review as always mate.Any chance of a .204 ruger review? Also when are you going to do some more reviews on scopes? Keep up the good work.
+Yosimete Sam Got a scope cam coming... so once I have that I can provide a lot better visuals of reticles etc...
Awesome.
yeah really keen to see the 204 in action please do one ozzie
Got to buy a 204 first :)
How about I give you the one I buy to review.
Great review.
The stock trigger can be greatly improved. The sear engagement angle is wrong, that can be stoned to a proper angle and engagement reduced. As with many newer guns the trigger pushes the striker further back before it releases. Lawyer BS to avoid liability. Great, well made little guns otherwise, The mag is the chintziest part.
Brilliant review ozzie. One of these would be brilliant for wallabies if I had a supply of the cartridge and money for the rifle lol. It's kinda a chore to fire all those rounds just to get the accuracy just right, my 22 Norinco took at least 30 or so shots and then it really started to show its true potential. I never clean the barrel of the .22 though, just my centrefires.
Go to pick up my jw15 tomorrow. What did you do to make the bolt easier to work? Cheers.
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Well, I took the bolt out and polished it on a electric buffing wheel I had bolted to my bench, used light sandpaper on the underside where the finish is pretty rough to smoothen the cartridge insertion. Stripped the whole action and degreased it of the chines packing oil (which is greasy junk),lightened the trigger by undoing a small screw to the rear of the trigger very lightly, just to make it not as heavy as the standard model (which is very heavy). Polished the sear, sandpaper'd the rest of the metalwork where I saw fit, used tyre-shine on the nylon stock and ran over 100 rounds of CCI standard velocity through the barrel to get it shooting right AND smoothen the cycling.
Basically apply TLC.
Impossible de trouver une arme dans le calibre 17WSM En france. Je reste avec le 222 r.
It's an ok rifle if you can find 17WSM ammo, I just shoot my 204 Ruger, its far less expensive to shoot plus way more accurate, I reload the 204 with 39gr Sierra Blitzking bullets, shoots 1/4" groups all day long at 100 from my Remington 700 VLS, my velocity is right around 3800 FPS.
I love my 17 win super mag. I agree with you mentioning the matt finish on the stainless steel barrel.
I am in The USA, and i am interested to know what are your gun laws there? I have heard all sorts of different things. So i would like to know from someone that lives there.
The Savage is an excellent gun for the money (it has a better trigger and its adjustable compared to the Ruger IMO), you can buy there here in the US for $289 USD. all you need to do to make them shoot spot on is buy a new stock for $130 USD AND bed it in. The factory one is very flimsy. Another interesting fact is here our magazines are 8 rounds
Just info you may be interested in (ammo prices here):
Winchester 17WSM $13.28USD
American Eagle 17WSM $17.00USD
TIP: Bed that barrel in and you will get rid of those flyers.
Great video.
Having been to the states for a while and come back, our laws are pretty strict in comparison. You can get access to firearms but only have access to limited categories and and it is generally rather time consuming waiting for license clearances and waiting for weapon permits to clear. Basically no semi auto rifles unless you run a pest control business or you are a primary producer(farmer). Pistols are allowed but they can only be taken to and used at a range and you must go to a pistol shoot a few times a year to maintain the license depending on the state. If you get caught with a pistol anywhere but at a range, you are basically cooked and the consequences are substantial. Different states have different laws regarding magazine capacity, adjustable stocks and weapon appearances. Some states are so strict that if your gun looks too scary or "tactical" then it can basically be confiscated or the model will be outright banned even if its just a bolt gun. Recently lever action shotguns in one of our states were reduced down to a 5 round capacity. Police will do random gun checks with a 24 hour notice and will come onto your property to inspect all your firearms are accounted for and check the integrity of your safe along with all safe storage procedures (bolt removed, ammo stored in separate safe/locked compartment). Our firing ranges are also pretty strict with most if not all ranges I've been to only allowing you to load a single round into your rifle at a time. Suppressors are categorized as military weapons and few states will give an exemption which is rare so plenty of farmers and shooters end up with some degree of hearing loss.
Just to give you an idea of how strict gun laws are, gel blasters in some states (which shoot a hydro gel bal) and BB guns in all states are classified as firearms because of the speed at which the projectiles leave the barrel. Even the nerf gun toys are reduced in power with weaker springs when sold in australia as we get different models.
@@zaccy My Goodness!
@@zaccy I have been you Darwin (NT) years ago, but at that time I didnt look into the gun laws there.
Are the rules there for guns the same across the continent ? or is it like there, It kinda depends on where you are. The rules here can very state to state.
@@johnnyturbo8460 Rules vary state to state.
sweet piece man!
Great review Ozzie, I've been tossing up whether to get get this gun or the Browning t bolt.
Tbolt is a great gun. Again its let down by a crap heavy trigger
This thing is amazing
Looks like a great gun you can use for Coyotes and gophers. Hmr was a lil weak for coyotes.
+Kman31ca I agree, this is why I pretty much skipped the 17HMR for my own personal use and went for the 17WSM, having almost 3 times the energy @ 200 yards over the 17HMR, it's perfect for foxes, coyotes etc up to that range with the correct shot placement...
Hmr is near useless
Wsm will kill oyotes
@@ozziereviews It's 4 years later, but thanks for the reply!
@@jeffscuderi8662 2000 dead gophers and 2 dead coyotes disagree. lol
G'day Ozzie, I'm completely stumped with what to pick up here. I'm looking at a rifle with a little more thump than .22lr for taking pest birds out of trees and on the ground without using a shotgun, but i'm completely stuffed with what would be best suited 17hmr, 17wsm or even 17 hornet. Thanks mate!
What distance will your average shots be mate?
+ozziereviews G'day, thanks for replying, distance will be anywhere between 30 yards (shooting from underneath in trees) to around 150 yards for more flighty ones that you can't get any closer to
Ok a few things to consider...
The 17 whether it is a HMR, WSM or Hornet will easily take birds of any description, it just comes down to the distance and accuracy to make the shot count. If you were only shooting up to 100 yards, I'd be going for the HMR as it's the cheapest of the lot to run and the ammo is plentiful. Whilst the WSM will EASILY take birds out beyond 150 yards, the accuracy may fail with the ammo that I have tried so far. Its a fussy calibre to play with but I enjoy the challenge all the same. You could go to the 17 Hornet but only if you reload, the reason I say this is because it is really expensive to buy the ammo for, but to re-load it'll be just as cheap as 17HMR ammo to run. The other thing with the hornet is you'll be able to experiment with basic loads to best suit the distance you're shooting. So mate my honest thoughts would be go for the 17HMR if you're really going to be shooting no more than 100 yards (i know people will say they can shoot 200 yards with theirs but with what accuracy and especially with some wind) or just get yourself a 17 hornet and re-load to have the widest options with projectiles, accuracy and capability... hope that helps?
22mag
Even with the cleaning you gave it I was not convinced with the accuracy.
Maybe if you shot 5 rounds before you went for groupings we would get a better reflection of it’s capabilities.
On this evidence, it’s a no go for me.
Ironically the 20gr ammo is all the same. It's all Winchester ammo rebranded.
Makes sense. All the packaging is the same between AE, Winchester and Hornady.
G'day mate. If i can get one for 1/3rd that price Id definitely go Winchester .17
Shame the ammo is very limited and expensive here in Aus.
+kris jackson Limited in regards to variety of brands etc
Hey Ozzie, that's was a Great! Review of the Ruger 77/17 17WSM. I must say I recently purchased mine mid last year. Ever since I bought the rifle I fell in love with it right away! It sure is a unique caliber without a doubt. I am currently looking for a original stock for mine, for my stock is damaged from a slight crack on the pistol grip. I would appreciate the help from anyone down states to help me find one for sale. Again Ozzie, wonderful review! #AlaskanFan🥶💯
Nice review Ozzie, love the look of the rifle and very impressive groups. Do you think the 17 wsm is better overall compared to 17hmr? I like the 17 hmr because it is pretty cheap, but I also like to shoot long range...
Absolutely pick the 17 wsm for long range it is impressive
That cartage has A lot of Horse Power wow 👍
What did it cost if u dont mind telling
17 wsm barrel must be 1-8 twist - the older models are in 1-9 twist cannot stabilize projectile
Why 17wsm when you can get 17 hornet?
I have both but wsm a lot cheaper to shoot
I have a 17 ack, they are a great fox rifle, however there Achilles heel is always barrel fouling, 17 Rem were worse, it was not unusual to have to clean it every 5 or six shots, 17 Hornets and 17 ack were better but 10 shots then a clean was the norm. To test a 17 properly you really need to clean it before each lot of ammo. Your group size should be about the size of a 5 cent piece. In the end it's far easier to go 222, 223 or 22-250, saves taking cleaning gear around the paddock!
Ruger actions sound like they've been hand polished with God's tears of joy.
ossie
can't really see the point in this cartridge i think you are better off with the .17hornet and the ability to reload it to the performance you require and more cheaply. what do you think .
If you're into reloading - sure... but then theres the other side of it too, this cartridge allows more energy for rimfire firearm categories under our licensing here. i.e. Category-C being semi-auto rimfire up to 10 rounds, where's a semi-auto 17hornet would be Category-D which is out of reach for 99% of Australian shooters...
Glass and pillar bedding the rifle
Hi; How loud is this gun with this 17 WSM. My wife only can tolerate the noise of .22 LR. Thanks
+TinhKhau ..... ..... We are shooting in our back yard and don't want to use ear plugs or bother our neighbors.
+TinhKhau over twice the noise, bit more than the 22mag
I have stopped using my 77-22 (hornet) in favor of my 77-17 (17wsm) for a multitude of reasons. Mainly for the cost savings and vastly superior trajectory (shoots out of this world flat), but I have also grown fond of how quiet it is considering what it's capable of. It's definitely more quiet than my hornet rifle with the initial report, and the crack is roughly the same believe it or not. I really don't see the sense in shooting a .22 hornet anymore as you can achieve similar performance with the 17 WSM, albeit much cheaper and with much greater accuracy (in my opinion).
Yes it's interesting to see the results with the 17WSM round overall... I'm certainly putting some more time into it and want to test it out to 200 yards...
Tune your rifle before shooting groups. True action/lighten trigger/11deg crown/bed action properly/make sure u used a good scope/ and bed the scope to the mounts oh and use good mounts. Cheers
Where can u purchase a 77/17 wsm in West oz, can't find one anywhere
Anywhere that sells Ruger products as they are imported by NIOA
would you consider doing a video with a steyr aug?
+Gustav 00 Not really, only due to the restrictions and mountains of paperwork required to get the semi-auto version
I own a Ruger 77/17Wsm and it will shoot tacks all day long.. Thank god Ruger made this rifle.. all the savage rifles made are fucking junk..
The gun is good most likely you need a better scope, and trigger upgrade should be okay after that I have two of those guns i like so much
I just want them to release a 204WSM or 22WSM and then I'd be very happy :)
why not just have .223Rem?
I do have a 223, but sometimes there's a need for something with less shot noise and if they released a 204WSM or 22WSM, because it's rimfire it'd open up a heap of semi-auto (category-c) options which is far more within reach to Australian shooters then centrefire semi-autos (category-d).
Can i suggest you glass the action in will improve accuracy. Savage BMag Target absolutely awesome
Sure good suggestion
Another great review Ozzie. How did you find the noise in comparison to a 22LR (with HV rounds) and a 17HMR? Some of my smaller fox properties don't like the volume of the .204 so just looking for a quieter alternative that still has the legs to reach out to 100+
Cheers mate and keep up the good work!
+Andrew definitely an option, I found it pretty much on par with the 22mag, just a bit more noise but not much
Would this calibre be good for foxes? I need a long range and i lile the .17
Yes it would but if you want to save money in ammunition it'd be worth looking at the 17 hornet as you can reload it and you will get more accuracy over the 17WSM.
ozziereviews cheers aussie! Ill be looking into it! :)
Spot on ozzie. I hand load all my ammunition, from my 17 hornet and formerly 17 rem. All the way up to my big boys the 45/70 and 416 Rigby.
By far the most fun to shoot and load for is the 17 hornet. Basically a 17hmr on steroids
How does .17 WSM compare to 5.7x28 FN?
Much faster
Every Ruger rifle I've ever owned needs a certain amount of copper fouling in the barrel in order to shoot well. Hopefully, after a couple of hundred rounds the groups tightened up.
A good mate of mine has purchased it from me now :)
Barrels don't copper foul under 3500 fps
Hello people. So why a 17 WSM has it got some benefits over a .223.
+lindsay cooper My view is if people want to fill the gap between the 22lr and the 223, the 17WSM has advantages, it's a lot quieter than the 223 (just a tad over the noise of the 22mag) and it has way more energy than the 22, 22mag, 17hmr but not as much as the 223, so if you want to take foxes or other similar game without the echoing of the 223 shot noise but want way more punch than the 22, I think it's an interesting calibre...
Ok thanks for the feedback.
Only one it's legal for small game
Great review Ozzie, as usual. I really like the small CF calibres and shoot a .204 Ruger myself. Although, mine's a Tikka. Cost benefits and accuracy are greatly improved if you reload your own ammunition and a good excuse to buy more kit!All the best and keep up the good work!
+Ted Branston Thanks Ted
don't know that gun but was it a 1:9 twist or a 1:8? When I first got my savage b.mag it was a 1:9. They scrapped that twist rate for a 1:8 and now I get single hole results. Also, look at your brass. is there any blow by showing up on the casings? if so then you'd have the same problem the savage b.mag did when it very first came out.
No I haven't had any split cases
Awesome review. If I had the mone I'd buy this and throw my Bmag in the bin.
+David Neil
Money's always gotta be the let-down for everything we want.
I’ve got a ruger 77/17 WSM we had the same problem for grouping so we fitted a rifle basics trigger and now it’s clover feafing fantastic round 😀😀😀😀
I guess it depends on how far you plan to shoot these varmint. I use the 17 WSM for shots up to 125 yards and my Ruger No. 1 in 223 caliber for longer shots. The 204 caliber is nice but the ammo it to hard to find and more expensive. Thats why I use the 223 varmint ammo. I never heard of a 22 WSM.
If you buy this gun and like accuracy you will need to replace the trigger. Go with Rifle Basix you won’t regret it
No need to replace the trigger. You can get the trigger pull down to just over 2lbs by taking some material off the sear and the top of the trigger, then polishing the interacting surfaces between the sear and trigger and finish it up by installing a spring from M-Carbo.
Sounds like a lot of work and screwing around for a non-adjustable setup. I chose the rifle basix because it is a drop in replacement and a damn good one. You won’t get 20 ounces out of Rugers trigger with improvement so that is what sealed the deal for me. Worth every penny
How is the trigger on your Ruger, I've read that a lot of people are switching triggers due to rough trigger pull. The last group you showed with the Hornady V-Max is more consistent with my experience with the Hornady that I'm Firing out of my B-Mag. I know you said that you've heard issues with the Savage and I've seen where others have too, but guess I got really lucky with mine. I really love the >17 WSM and hopefully it works out for you.
Yeah it's rough and heavy from the factory so a good polish up is definitely on the agenda :) Because of the ammo price, I've decided to stick with the Winchester 20gr ammo, so I will work on that. If I can continue to shoot under an inch @ 100 yards, I'm happy, if I can shoot under an inch @ 200 yards, I'll be even happier!
Have savage mod 25 in 17 hornet thing shoots but had to fix magazine
Poor quality
@@jeffscuderi8662 yea but it is accurate one hole 100 yard groups as long as u keep it clean
@@wilmamcdermott3065 you could make better choice
@@jeffscuderi8662 i have 54 guns remingtons 2 savages model 25 and 17 hmr model 93r winchester one made by P OAckley a 2 weatherbys to many to list
@@jeffscuderi8662 what do u have one or two probably
The .17 WSM velocity of rounds can vary by 200 fps, that will cause "flyers". It would be better to shoot 100 rounds of each ammo type to get a better idea of bullet accuracy. I suspect bullets that produce tighter groups have a lower fps variance, and probably reflect factory quality control. There are other things that cause wide grouping, however, cavedweller1959 has a video regarding variance. ... I have a CZ American, I think it is a 452 in .17 HMR - I have not shot it in years, I am disabled. However, I have shot groups 5/8" max spread, 5 shot group at 100 yards. Sometimes 3 of the rounds would touch or cut into each other. My problem was the scope, I could not always see the center of the target, the scope was under powered for precision work, and I cannot replace it because a friend of mine installed it and torqued the flat head screws so tight neither of us could remove the scope rings without damaging something. In any event, if I was able to see it, I could shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 100 yards. [I am a former member USAMU. You should be able to do a search to find them if you are not familiar.]
Shooter error
Good accuracy for bird shot
Think i will stick with the good old 223. A glorified inaccurate nail gun isn't my idea of a good investment.
+Daniel Curtis can you shoot 1 moa from a field position? I sure as hell can't, so accurate enough in my book. That said, $1500, and sacrifices the 223's ability to reload and take larger game for cheaper ammo? I'll pass based on that.
I can see how this caliber would fill a niche though, 38c for a dead pest is a pretty good return.
+Elliott G off that bench with my CZ varmint kevlar 223 ($1295) you bet I could. I would even go as far as to say my lithgow la101 22lr would outshoot that at 100m. I own a Ruger 77 and for what they charge they really are pretty poor in the accuracy dept. As for the 38c a shot I can reload for similar money and fine tune loads to my rifles.
I think the target audience for this rifle is people who are: not bench shooting, not reloading, and need to deal with small pests from a vehicle. Well, that's not me (see above where I said I'll pass because 223 is more flexible) but it might be someone else. Different strokes. ;)
The fact remains that he was shooting off a bench and got poor results in perfect conditions as he states, which means in the real world you could expect those groups to grow. I don't know about you but a 3inch + group at 200 would not be my idea of a safe bet to take small game. Close the distance and shoot 22lr for cheap kills.
+Daniel Curtis After the first 50 shots and a clean the groups do tighten up good on these as with many new rifles.
These companies just cobble guns together so they look good, but don't really care how they shoot.
I would much rather have an ugly tack driver than a pretty gun that groups like a shotgun, there's no point to having these superior ballistics if you cant hit anything.
Guns 50 years ago could shoot this good and sometimes better, surely with modern technology things should have improved.
I say, to hell with these companies that just keep giving us junk.
Thanks.
I want to buy now. thailand
You should have chronograph-ed those rounds i bet they are 200 fps spread but since they tightened up after cleaning i'd be more inclined to think it was a barrel issue did you inspect the crown ?
need to bed that action!!
It's been a couple of years how is the rifle fairing did the groups settle down
great review as always! didn't shoot well enough to get me excited to purchase one. maybe a used one for half price
+Babay Bluegill Or an on-par exchange rate would see them @ $990 again :)
Why do so many people feel the need to play such load music on their videos? I like the choice of the music but the volume is annoying.
Agree 100%
I avoided the purchase of this caliber because of the problem they had with necks of the cases cracking when fired.
Can't reload them anyways
Cost me 1200 canadian 4 years ago for my 6.5 creedmore
Flyer
That’s bedding
VERYGOOD
Blimy can't buy ammo in mb ca over a year use rifle as a club
I love my 17wsm. Mate, if you want to have some fun take it out for hogs and head shoot them. Ear shot is the way to go, you can shoot a little posterior high neck and they also drop.
You can't be the cartridge for the price. If you can shoot and you can, it will take anything Australia has to offer, head shooting that is.
Shithouse cartridge?
It kinda sucks to see such a nice looking rifle followed by poor groups! I've heard they are tack drivers after a few upgrades but for the price of the rifle accuracy shouldn't be an issue, especially when anschutz 1416 & 1517 models are the same price as the ruger
I thought the criminal government took all the Aussies guns?................Must have been all the guns apart from the bolt actions right?
blades&militariaUK pump action rifles lever action rifles and straight pulls are all still legal
I’ve never had any of the 3 Ruger 77’s I’ve owned or any of the others I’ve shot, shoot worth a damn. I’ve got rid of everyone of the ones I owned and wouldn’t by another one
It's you
That action isn't like a 98 Kaiser at all
Mauser*
Once you bed the rifle and change the trigger your groups should be a half inch all day
Elwood epps (my local gun smith ) did some trigger work on mine, I can comfortably hold a 1.5" group at 200 yards which is more than good enough for me. As long as I keep it clean I find it to be a consistent rifle.
+Bill McGregor I have a Cabelas exclusive heavy fluted barrel which can hold a half inch group at 100 yards as long as I do my part. Ordered a Boyd's stock and bedded the action. Fun cartridge for sure and deadly in capable hands 👍
Last wsm 25 grain 29 $$ canadian