I've been saying it for years now... you ARE an Individual, within in the Collective. The community is made up of individuals. And now, after watching this, I can say, that there is no dichotomy... both states of being cannot exist without each other. It's that simple. No one is trying to assimilate you into "The Borg" just because they champion free housing and a real social safety net. FFS
If you are only an individual within the collective, you are not an individual. If you cannot separate yourself from the group, you are part of the group, and part of it without the individual decision to be so. And, if you are required to give because others want or 'need', then you are not free to work for your individual goals. This video spent about half of its time talking about the origins of individualism, saying that because there was not always an understanding of collectivism and individualism as in conflict, then it must not be; however, it also discussed how recent the term 'individualism' is, and how, in relatively little time, the understanding developed. Following the definition, all it did was say what would be done for the group, and then say that these benefits also went to the individual, so it's individualism. This type of argument is so common to me, where someone uses the facade of liberal ideas to describe illiberal ideas.
A collective is made of people who foster groupthink and penalize wrongthink. Cohesion can't coexist with being principled, objective, and too distinguishable.
Just because a group is made of individuals, does not mean that it is individualistic. Your statement includes 1984 as an individualistic society, to use an extreme.
The social contract was always part of human development, long before recorded history and philosophers. It is rudimentary to invest in the youth, improve general living conditions, provide for the elderly, and protect the vulnerable. The oldest society with written records (Sumeria), had institutional social contract. I say that society IS the social contract. There could not be a society without it. In boot-strap America, social contract is everywhere and everyone benefits from it, while conservative Americans pretend that it doesn't exist. They went to school, they drive on roads, they enjoy markets, drink water, breath clean air, fly on airplanes, and retire. In no natural state has there been a "need" for anyone to be a slave (not an individual). The idea that people can't be individuals doesn't spring from the social contract, but springs from capitalism. My neighbors, friends, teachers, and local bureaucrats aren't the ones plotting and scheming to turn me into a slave. That has been done by capital. My co-workers didn't buy up all the property so that I have to pay exorbitant rent just to be allowed to live. They didn't create a fiat currency that constantly looses value so that I can never get ahead. They didn't conspire to take control of government and suppress wages so that I will be forever poor. They didn't plunder the wealth of the future generations. Capital is that. As far a art is concerned, the very idea that art can only come from lazy, self indulgent, exploitive people is so preposterous that only an anemic, closeted, sycophantic toad that has never worked an honest day's work could come up with that. For a guy that spent his life philosophizing, his lack of wisdom is astounding. Here is an example of how someone, not a philosopher, outmatches this supposed intellectual giant without trying. Dissatisfaction is the mother of creativity. That is why the rich have been proven over the centuries to usually NOT to be creatives, and Elon is no exception. His only dissatisfaction is that he doesn't have yet more money. He didn't invent Paypal, or Tesla, or X. He bought what he wanted, used who he could, hired truly creative people, and lied. People that we call "individualists" are anything but. They NEED other people far more than anyone else. They NEED other people to take from. They NEED other people to deceive, and other people to conspire with. A real individual GIVES. A real individual PROTECTS. A real individual TEACHES.
"As far a art is concerned, the very idea that art can only come from lazy, self indulgent, exploitive people is so preposterous that only an anemic, closeted, sycophantic toad that has never worked an honest day's work could come up with that." That depends on how you define art.
I thought it was impossible to talk about capitaliatic individualism without talking about Soviet union's worst mistake, ayn rand. Once again, miss Mary, you've exceeded my expectations.
@@johncodint7449 what exactly am I supposed to say? Do you want me to write a full essay about how stupid her ideas were? ideas based in a hyper individualist neoliberal ideology, ideology that was repealed and rebuked by IMF in 2020. Or do you want me to appreciate her literature that is indeed fantasy? directed to teen agers with mislead anger. Maybe historical context? Since she was the daughter of a bourgeois family, that were stripped away of the immoral wealth they had, while people were eating dirt in czarist imperial Rússia. She peacefully left Soviet union after she got high degree education, but her hurt feelings for no longer being a wealthy barbie, made her try her pathetic life in USA, where she was initially a failed everything in the backstages of Hollywood, but found her way up, enforcing the status quo, talking shit of revolutionary movements. Or maybe you want citations of neoliberal journalists that despise her, for staining the principles of capitaliatic individualism. 😂😂😂 What a goddess.
I’m am LOVING this channel! I am learning so much. I know I’m not retaining it all and will have to come back to them. Thank you for making these videos so easy to understand for people like me. 💜 And your kitty (Millie? Milly?) just showed their pretty self! 🐈⬛
12:21 - Ah, yes. _The Third Morality._ The first is Liberalism, the second is Communism. "We need to find a third way!", they say. What is the Third Way, the Third Theory? It's Fascism. It's always Fascism. Every single time it is Fascism. First Morality: Liberalism. Second Morality: Communism. Third Morality: Fascism. Fourth Morality: Fascism. Fifth Morality: Fascism. ... Good video, comrade.
I have thought that individualism means: Treating people as individuals, rather than as merely icons of their collective identity (or: identities.) That is, the understanding that a person is themselves, first, and participation in collectives is always secondary to their individual personhood.
Спасибо вам, за то, что вы говорите то, что говорите. За то, что доказываете, что социализм - не только ностальгия по старым-добрым денькам, которой предаются старики, но и всё такая же реальная рабочая идея. PS: подумайте, пожалуйста, о том, чтобы делать контент и на русском. Людям здесь нужно это.
How can such a good channel have so few subscribers? Great videos BTW, I am glad to have found your channel because of so many "BreadTube" channels becoming inactive or going in another direction or the ones who are just talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and nothing else now (all my recommended videos are either about Palestine or AI now and I want more leftist theory on TH-cam again plz).
Capitalism sells greed and selfishness as individualism. I consider myself individualistic because I believe there are certain things and rights that I deserve as an individual. But I also believe that every other individuum deserves the same things and rights. To me that would be a collective. Who ever said that a in a collective, everyone needs to do and be exactly the same? Collective is a word related to a collection. A collection of things that are all exactly the same isn't very useful. What makes things worth collecting is having each their own unique features. A good collective would be one were the individuals abilities and characteristics complement each other.
This was a wonderful video! I know you didn't use him and I have my own criticisms of Bob Black, but he had this in his book 'Nightmare of Reason' "Thus communism is the final fulfillment of individualism.. The apparent contradiction between individualism and communism rests on a misunderstanding of both."
Like Oscar Wilde, there's a whole school of thought within anarchism that focuses on the super individualist perspective, like Stirner's ideas such as Union of Egoists. While most of them are more market-socialist oriented, there were also more communism-oriented individualist-anarchists like Emma Goldman
I’m here to listen to the opinions of those I don’t necessarily agree with, and so far, I’m liking it. Debating and agreeing here and there brings a sense of peace to me, for some reason.
how much better would humanity be if we organized society around creating environments that allowed each person to become the best versions of themselves they could be? There is no other purpose to society. OMG you say this at 26:45!!! 🤩🤩🤩
My third comment: I think the best way to describe my "insanity" (of the 2nd comment lol) is by comparing it with another character in history. Comparing it with someone who was between the schisms of different social realities... and that is Augustine defining the change of an era through his book "Confessions". If you've read that you'll see insanity lol. Only difference is my path is the inversion of his path from materialism to spiritualism.
This is a much-needed video, thank you for your work! I also appreciate the Rousseau mention; as far as social-contract theorists go, he was the most normal about it. In his "Second Discourse," he explicitly lays blame for inequality at the feet of private property ownership, and how such a thing inhibited our capacity for cooperative society. Based!
@@revolutionaryth0t Exactly! Its honestly an incredible paper. I especially love how he drags Hobbes through the mud for his bad takes on 'human nature'
I'm a newbie and in a history of ideas class in uni and I think I came up with an ok phrasing off the top of my head from my perspective on the "evils" of capitalism. (Hopefully it's not a bunch of gibberish). So from the collective perspective understanding epistemology is important for the survival of our species and of being at the forefront in understanding our living conditions on an individual level, of understanding the nature of our social reality, of understanding "truth" and "knowledge". The process of it is the constant interplay and interaction between the collective platform and the individual. This is how new ideas are created and how you arrive at "the forefront" of understanding the collective knowledge we've gathered through time (here I would place "useful morality" against moral relativists, which I see too often being peddled within radical spaces. Those structures would be nice to have in communism). In short, the individual is "raised by the village" and in turn "owes" the collective when they create something new. Those and that system which hinders this "epistemological process" the most are to be critiqued the most and dismantled immediately! Which ofc is the capitalist class and capitalism currently. When I say "the most", I see it through a hierarchical structure where prioritization is key, and as a collective we currently aren't of this mindset, we're so disorganized... 😮💨 This is also where I have a take on that "slave morality", because in some instances some workers hinder other workers.. they are the slave and obedient to the capitalist system, but they don't do this hindrance on a systemic level and don't have the major blame. The end lol. Edit: another thought came to me and a bit more personal. In a way this misconfigured individualism, has individualized the process of oppression and becomes a part of alienation... This is an aspect of "slave morality". Some ppl do this to others for whatever reason, be it jealousy etc (even so called radicals on the left do this to me). Just my personal experience of feeling suffocated by my surroundings. Every time I try to express myself on the darker side of humanity I get shut down or ppl "don't want to talk about it" or whatever and you get more and more isolated... Or maybe I'm just too sensitive? I'm alive at least with my anxieties, loneliness and the ups and downs🥲
Social reality is both collectivist and individualist at once and has always been so, they can't exist without eachother and are in a very complex dynamic which I don't have the words for to express concisely (yet). Those who deny this lie to themselves to continue this dysfunctional world, to continue their current way of life.
Just discovered your channel. Like the down-to-earth explanations, it took thirty-five years and reading over three thousand books to get over Cold War propaganda.
Great video! I appreciate that you didn't sugarcoat Nietzsche to conform to your beliefs like most people do. He was very clear about his views on class and hierarchies, which you presented quite accurately in my opinion. One small critique I'd like to add. I'm not sure if this was your intention but I got the feeling that you'd think Nietzsche would approve of modern capitalism or Capitalism itself as a concept. Nietzsche was not a fan of capitalism at all. He seemed to have just as much disdain for it as socialism. The reason for this was quite simple. Both are offspring of the same philosophy: Utilitarianism. Nietzsche hated Utilitarianism for some of the very reasons you laid out in this video. It inherently appeals to what he called the herd (slave morality) This can be applied to capitalism as well, since Capitalism commodifies the desires of the masses, which would then bring the rest of humanity down and only elevate those who were willing to appeal to the herd. This idea is best encapsulated in Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, where he introduces the priest figure, someone who is from the higher class that manipulates the herd in order to gain power over his rivals. Although Nietzsche is fascinated and maybe even impressed by this figure, he does not believe that that is the type of man to be leading humanity forward into greatness. In other words, the Ubermensch, although possessing the "good" qualities of the Priest, will for the most part, be nothing like him. Most successful capitalists (especially in the age of the internet where we all have a very expedient path to satisfy our desires) would probably have been met with a heavy level of contempt and suspicion from Nietzsche for this reason. Anyway, minor critique on an otherwise very great video. I completely agree with your thesis that Individualism and Collectivism are not mutually exclusive, an idea that Nietzsche himself actually seemed to also have. I just subbed. Looking forward to seeing more of your content :)
I appreciate the insightful comment! :) I definitely agree that Nietzsche wouldn't approve of modern late-stage capitalism - I get the sense that he critiqued just about anything that was possible to critique, and given that capitalism in its current form has led to a degree of conformity and herd mentality that wasn't even possible in his time, I think he'd have a lot of negative things to say about it. I suppose I could have been more clear about that, I just wanted to get the point across that his support for a class society could be used to uphold capitalism, given that nowadays, capitalism and class society go hand in hand.
I think its completely in accurate to say that capitalism is an off spring of utilitarianism, I don't even see where you could start to say capitalism is utilitarian.
This is a really good video and I was pleased to see the Oscar Wilde essay cited, though the way he writes about the working poor would horrify many socialists! I've seen other commenters already express an opinion on Nietzsche that differs from mine. I do largely agree with you about him, barring the anti-semitism (he was always bemoaning the proliferation of anti-semitism in Germany at the time) and there is a lot of textual evidence to suggest that he detested capitalism and the human indignity that came with it, though the slave morality the masses expressed in response to their condition was no less repulsive to him. Despite these facts, I think we should look to the revolutionary potential in Nietzsche's writing and not be afraid to cherry pick the things that are correct and dismiss the things he was wrong about. Jonas Ceika's book How to Philosophise with a Hammer and Sickle drives home many of the same points you make in this video, though impressively you've evidently arrived at similar conclusions entirely independently.
I think your microphone is struggling to handle the volume of your voice, or something like that. it's making this sound that really bothers me and probably others with sensory issues. I'm not an expert on microphones so I don't know what you could do to remedy this, but I do know that you could edit the audio to soften your "s" sounds using a specific tool that I can't remember the name of. just letting you know that this is an issue, otherwise this is a fantastic video and I really enjoy your content. it's just a little hard to listen to when the audio is like this, even though I want to listen to your videos constantly :(
I agree, that individualism vs collectivism isn't one sided where it's either the individual or the collectivity, but it is only through a well organized soceity that individuals are able to express themselves and find their purpose. In order to take care of the well being of our people, it is best that we develop a sense of collective consciousness, whether it be in the form of communal consciousness, class consciousness, racial consciousness or national consciousness. We as a species have a duty and a responsibility to find a nice balance and compromise between these 2 dichotomies such as humanism, communism, racism, nationalism, sexism, tribalism, and family vs the individual alone, and work together to create a better society for the well being of our social organism.
Most of the people who claim to support small government and get triggered at the idea of collective responsibility have exclusionary rather than principled or unadulterated selfish motives.
As an Anarchist Communist, I find it baffling that people think they need to choose either individualism or collectivism. What’s good for the collective is good for the individual but also therefore what’s good for the individual is good for the collective. As long as one person isn’t free, we all aren’t. Collectives are just groups of individuals after all
There were certainly interesting points in this video, but the second half is basically just adding individual onto every idea, because collectives are made up of individuals, and saying that serving the collective is therefore individualistic.
Can you not put my late night brain chatter into something that can be understood? Yea thanks. Keep making videos, I need better things to listen to while screwing around at work.
Good Luck with your new channel. Its so nice to see a Socialist channel that actually focuses on the Economic issues (& shared goals like to flourish?) that create genuine Solidarity among the economic masses, instead of all those Socialist channels that still destroy economic Solidarity by divding people by Race, ethnicity, Gender, Political Party, Age, Culture, or whatever petty things or personality conflicts. The Capital Elites must LOVE it. They take action like they do. Its the most important thing by far imo, and why channels like Second Thought or Secular Talk or Sam Sedar do so much to destroy the very thing they care most about. This is also why i think Sahra Wagenknecht is going in the right direction (unlike me and you, Polticans must often choose a stance on many many things, which makes Socialist/Economic Solidarity much harder).
@@SteeleJohnson-o7u That's not true at all Proletariat is mainly white in the US - 71% of pop, mainly people who must work for a living. Even in housing, it is both irrelevant and also very divisive and anti-solidarity. So please - you are ruining Solidarity when you divide people & treat them differently by race, instead of economic class. A white and black worker in a car plant is in same economic position.
@YourCapyBro_windows95_3DPipes I didn't say they didn't make good content. I think second thought makes great content but does a lot to destroy Solidarity, thus opposing its own goals, unlike a channel like More Perfect Union. Do you understand why I would say that?
It’s crap. Btw, no one can direct anyone else to think a way they want regardless of age, each person thinks for themselves based on the information that’s been presented to them
Liked at 1:00 commenting at 7:17 - now don't get me wrong, I laughed like hell, but this framing of the obviousness of "not having the freedom to hurt people" and in particular the "white people needed it" line... Isn't this where leftist morality takes it's religious turn (while cheerfully denigrating traditional religion). Again, I'm broadly in social agreement... but I can see why it comes off "holier than thou": a simple reversal of monotheistic doctrine (and similarly unsupported). (EDIT: You do go on to talk about the master/slave morality but I don't think you really dismantle it - you point out (correctly) that the will to power will never enable all people so ... therefore bad?) We are talking about the development of an animal species into a cultural species. Animals absolutely do have the "right" to hurt people, and although cultural history is short compared to evolutionary humanity... so evolutionary humanity is short in turn - and we are dealing with an n of 1. Could it be true that, "there was a necessary cost to the emergence of human dignity"? I am no libertarian (dear God kill me! 555), but it's not as simple as "Hey honey, new historical morality just dropped!!" so I always find this kind of rhetoric... ahem, problematic (sigh, but the powerful do need to be shaken out of their complacent hypocrisy somehow I suppose). (At the end), yeah I largely stand by the above, but this is a great and thought provoking essay. A second thing that I would like to say is: when you say "everyone is capable of doing great things" this can be true, but it does not entail that "it is possible for there to ever be a world in which everyone does great things" - otherwise greatness means nothing. You didn't mention this and maybe you would agree, but I feel your effervescent idealism kind of papers over this possibility and this was (according to Arendt, IMHO) Marx's fatal mistake that led him to try and "make history". I am a bit older (no, not pulling seniority, I may be just jaded and rationalising my own decisions) and I have been influenced a lot by Hannah Arendt and especially her anthology Between Past and Future (to the point of doing my own deep dive videos, just saying ^_^) so make of my thoughts what you will, but bravo, and may your revolutionary th0t encourage more people to th1nk revolutionarily!
You know "RevThOt" (what do you want to be called??) have you considered making a video about when the number or Voters who don't want a Housing Crisis will outnumber those those that do, and when politicans will need to act accordingly (the way Baby Boomers always had polticans making policy in their interests, as the biggest voting block). Im talking about Australia, but I think it applies to other countries. Vienna showed that the housing crisis is not hard or expensive to solve, right? I own my own home (lots of luck of birth) but my best friend committed suicide in 2023 wirh housing being an essential factor, plus other of my friends' rent, etc. Plus i dont want a big mortagage if i move. So i dont want house prices to go up at all! I want Vienna Solution!!
Individualiſm is good becauſe nobody wants to be puniſhed for þe individual actions of oþer group members. Imagine getting ſent to priſon for þe actions of anoþer member of your race.
What a pleasant surprise! TH-cam's algorithm actually suggested a low subscriber channel! I am liking and subscribing! Good luck to you! I really enjoyed the video!
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I've been saying it for years now... you ARE an Individual, within in the Collective. The community is made up of individuals. And now, after watching this, I can say, that there is no dichotomy... both states of being cannot exist without each other. It's that simple. No one is trying to assimilate you into "The Borg" just because they champion free housing and a real social safety net. FFS
If you are only an individual within the collective, you are not an individual. If you cannot separate yourself from the group, you are part of the group, and part of it without the individual decision to be so. And, if you are required to give because others want or 'need', then you are not free to work for your individual goals. This video spent about half of its time talking about the origins of individualism, saying that because there was not always an understanding of collectivism and individualism as in conflict, then it must not be; however, it also discussed how recent the term 'individualism' is, and how, in relatively little time, the understanding developed. Following the definition, all it did was say what would be done for the group, and then say that these benefits also went to the individual, so it's individualism. This type of argument is so common to me, where someone uses the facade of liberal ideas to describe illiberal ideas.
Fact
You can't individuate yourself without a collective to compare yourself against, your identity comes from how you contrast with other individuals
A collective is made of people who foster groupthink and penalize wrongthink. Cohesion can't coexist with being principled, objective, and too distinguishable.
the opposite to individualism is conformism and the opposite of collectivism is egoism.
after all collectives are made of individuals
Just because a group is made of individuals, does not mean that it is individualistic. Your statement includes 1984 as an individualistic society, to use an extreme.
@@anamosamapper7521 i didn’t say groups of individuals are individualistic. i also don’t understand the 1984 example in this context
Well, individuality, anyway.
The social contract was always part of human development, long before recorded history and philosophers. It is rudimentary to invest in the youth, improve general living conditions, provide for the elderly, and protect the vulnerable. The oldest society with written records (Sumeria), had institutional social contract. I say that society IS the social contract. There could not be a society without it. In boot-strap America, social contract is everywhere and everyone benefits from it, while conservative Americans pretend that it doesn't exist. They went to school, they drive on roads, they enjoy markets, drink water, breath clean air, fly on airplanes, and retire. In no natural state has there been a "need" for anyone to be a slave (not an individual). The idea that people can't be individuals doesn't spring from the social contract, but springs from capitalism. My neighbors, friends, teachers, and local bureaucrats aren't the ones plotting and scheming to turn me into a slave. That has been done by capital. My co-workers didn't buy up all the property so that I have to pay exorbitant rent just to be allowed to live. They didn't create a fiat currency that constantly looses value so that I can never get ahead. They didn't conspire to take control of government and suppress wages so that I will be forever poor. They didn't plunder the wealth of the future generations. Capital is that. As far a art is concerned, the very idea that art can only come from lazy, self indulgent, exploitive people is so preposterous that only an anemic, closeted, sycophantic toad that has never worked an honest day's work could come up with that. For a guy that spent his life philosophizing, his lack of wisdom is astounding. Here is an example of how someone, not a philosopher, outmatches this supposed intellectual giant without trying. Dissatisfaction is the mother of creativity. That is why the rich have been proven over the centuries to usually NOT to be creatives, and Elon is no exception. His only dissatisfaction is that he doesn't have yet more money. He didn't invent Paypal, or Tesla, or X. He bought what he wanted, used who he could, hired truly creative people, and lied. People that we call "individualists" are anything but. They NEED other people far more than anyone else. They NEED other people to take from. They NEED other people to deceive, and other people to conspire with. A real individual GIVES. A real individual PROTECTS. A real individual TEACHES.
"As far a art is concerned, the very idea that art can only come from lazy, self indulgent, exploitive people is so preposterous that only an anemic, closeted, sycophantic toad that has never worked an honest day's work could come up with that."
That depends on how you define art.
I thought it was impossible to talk about capitaliatic individualism without talking about Soviet union's worst mistake, ayn rand. Once again, miss Mary, you've exceeded my expectations.
Thank you!! My brief mention of her as an ideological garbage can is all she gets haha
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@@johncodint7449 i don't think so😂
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@@johncodint7449 what exactly am I supposed to say? Do you want me to write a full essay about how stupid her ideas were? ideas based in a hyper individualist neoliberal ideology, ideology that was repealed and rebuked by IMF in 2020. Or do you want me to appreciate her literature that is indeed fantasy? directed to teen agers with mislead anger. Maybe historical context? Since she was the daughter of a bourgeois family, that were stripped away of the immoral wealth they had, while people were eating dirt in czarist imperial Rússia. She peacefully left Soviet union after she got high degree education, but her hurt feelings for no longer being a wealthy barbie, made her try her pathetic life in USA, where she was initially a failed everything in the backstages of Hollywood, but found her way up, enforcing the status quo, talking shit of revolutionary movements. Or maybe you want citations of neoliberal journalists that despise her, for staining the principles of capitaliatic individualism. 😂😂😂 What a goddess.
Weeping with joy at having found your channel. Another comrade on the tube ⚒️
"Other people exist!"
I hate how often I need to remind people of this...
I’m am LOVING this channel!
I am learning so much. I know I’m not retaining it all and will have to come back to them.
Thank you for making these videos so easy to understand for people like me. 💜
And your kitty (Millie? Milly?) just showed their pretty self! 🐈⬛
Thank you, I'm so happy to hear that!! I'm glad they're easy to understand, I do my best.
Milly! I love her so much, my sweet cuddly baby 🥰
12:21 - Ah, yes. _The Third Morality._ The first is Liberalism, the second is Communism. "We need to find a third way!", they say. What is the Third Way, the Third Theory? It's Fascism. It's always Fascism. Every single time it is Fascism.
First Morality: Liberalism.
Second Morality: Communism.
Third Morality: Fascism.
Fourth Morality: Fascism.
Fifth Morality: Fascism.
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Good video, comrade.
Oop there it is!! This "secret third option" really doesn't seem so great
I have thought that individualism means: Treating people as individuals, rather than as merely icons of their collective identity (or: identities.) That is, the understanding that a person is themselves, first, and participation in collectives is always secondary to their individual personhood.
Then you are not talking about what the average philosopher talks when thinking about individualism
Спасибо вам, за то, что вы говорите то, что говорите. За то, что доказываете, что социализм - не только ностальгия по старым-добрым денькам, которой предаются старики, но и всё такая же реальная рабочая идея.
PS: подумайте, пожалуйста, о том, чтобы делать контент и на русском. Людям здесь нужно это.
How can such a good channel have so few subscribers? Great videos BTW, I am glad to have found your channel because of so many "BreadTube" channels becoming inactive or going in another direction or the ones who are just talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and nothing else now (all my recommended videos are either about Palestine or AI now and I want more leftist theory on TH-cam again plz).
Capitalism sells greed and selfishness as individualism. I consider myself individualistic because I believe there are certain things and rights that I deserve as an individual. But I also believe that every other individuum deserves the same things and rights. To me that would be a collective. Who ever said that a in a collective, everyone needs to do and be exactly the same? Collective is a word related to a collection. A collection of things that are all exactly the same isn't very useful. What makes things worth collecting is having each their own unique features. A good collective would be one were the individuals abilities and characteristics complement each other.
I’d say capitalism is more “hardcore” in the notion of individualism.
Based! Right I def agree.
This was a wonderful video!
I know you didn't use him and I have my own criticisms of Bob Black, but he had this in his book 'Nightmare of Reason'
"Thus communism is the final fulfillment of individualism..
The apparent contradiction between individualism and communism rests on a misunderstanding of both."
Oh wow I hadn't even heard of him before but that's a great quote!! Very apt.
Like Oscar Wilde, there's a whole school of thought within anarchism that focuses on the super individualist perspective, like Stirner's ideas such as Union of Egoists. While most of them are more market-socialist oriented, there were also more communism-oriented individualist-anarchists like Emma Goldman
I’m here to listen to the opinions of those I don’t necessarily agree with, and so far, I’m liking it. Debating and agreeing here and there brings a sense of peace to me, for some reason.
how much better would humanity be if we organized society around creating environments that allowed each person to become the best versions of themselves they could be? There is no other purpose to society. OMG you say this at 26:45!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Yesss this is literally my entire ideology in two sentences
Mutual Dependency is a necessity to social well being
Mutual dependency doesn’t exist and cannot exist.
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My third comment:
I think the best way to describe my "insanity" (of the 2nd comment lol) is by comparing it with another character in history. Comparing it with someone who was between the schisms of different social realities... and that is Augustine defining the change of an era through his book "Confessions". If you've read that you'll see insanity lol.
Only difference is my path is the inversion of his path from materialism to spiritualism.
This is a much-needed video, thank you for your work!
I also appreciate the Rousseau mention; as far as social-contract theorists go, he was the most normal about it. In his "Second Discourse," he explicitly lays blame for inequality at the feet of private property ownership, and how such a thing inhibited our capacity for cooperative society. Based!
I'm glad you liked it! And wow, that's incredibly based of Rosseau!
@@revolutionaryth0t Exactly! Its honestly an incredible paper. I especially love how he drags Hobbes through the mud for his bad takes on 'human nature'
I'm a newbie and in a history of ideas class in uni and I think I came up with an ok phrasing off the top of my head from my perspective on the "evils" of capitalism. (Hopefully it's not a bunch of gibberish).
So from the collective perspective understanding epistemology is important for the survival of our species and of being at the forefront in understanding our living conditions on an individual level, of understanding the nature of our social reality, of understanding "truth" and "knowledge".
The process of it is the constant interplay and interaction between the collective platform and the individual. This is how new ideas are created and how you arrive at "the forefront" of understanding the collective knowledge we've gathered through time (here I would place "useful morality" against moral relativists, which I see too often being peddled within radical spaces. Those structures would be nice to have in communism).
In short, the individual is "raised by the village" and in turn "owes" the collective when they create something new.
Those and that system which hinders this "epistemological process" the most are to be critiqued the most and dismantled immediately! Which ofc is the capitalist class and capitalism currently.
When I say "the most", I see it through a hierarchical structure where prioritization is key, and as a collective we currently aren't of this mindset, we're so disorganized... 😮💨
This is also where I have a take on that "slave morality", because in some instances some workers hinder other workers.. they are the slave and obedient to the capitalist system, but they don't do this hindrance on a systemic level and don't have the major blame.
The end lol.
Edit: another thought came to me and a bit more personal. In a way this misconfigured individualism, has individualized the process of oppression and becomes a part of alienation... This is an aspect of "slave morality". Some ppl do this to others for whatever reason, be it jealousy etc (even so called radicals on the left do this to me). Just my personal experience of feeling suffocated by my surroundings.
Every time I try to express myself on the darker side of humanity I get shut down or ppl "don't want to talk about it" or whatever and you get more and more isolated... Or maybe I'm just too sensitive?
I'm alive at least with my anxieties, loneliness and the ups and downs🥲
Oh man some of these points were so good and I've never seen any one else bring them up
Social reality is both collectivist and individualist at once and has always been so, they can't exist without eachother and are in a very complex dynamic which I don't have the words for to express concisely (yet). Those who deny this lie to themselves to continue this dysfunctional world, to continue their current way of life.
Just discovered your channel. Like the down-to-earth explanations, it took thirty-five years and reading over three thousand books to get over Cold War propaganda.
Propaganda is uniquely powerful. It can make us do or believe just about anything.
Great video! I appreciate that you didn't sugarcoat Nietzsche to conform to your beliefs like most people do. He was very clear about his views on class and hierarchies, which you presented quite accurately in my opinion.
One small critique I'd like to add. I'm not sure if this was your intention but I got the feeling that you'd think Nietzsche would approve of modern capitalism or Capitalism itself as a concept.
Nietzsche was not a fan of capitalism at all. He seemed to have just as much disdain for it as socialism. The reason for this was quite simple. Both are offspring of the same philosophy: Utilitarianism.
Nietzsche hated Utilitarianism for some of the very reasons you laid out in this video. It inherently appeals to what he called the herd (slave morality)
This can be applied to capitalism as well, since Capitalism commodifies the desires of the masses, which would then bring the rest of humanity down and only elevate those who were willing to appeal to the herd.
This idea is best encapsulated in Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, where he introduces the priest figure, someone who is from the higher class that manipulates the herd in order to gain power over his rivals. Although Nietzsche is fascinated and maybe even impressed by this figure, he does not believe that that is the type of man to be leading humanity forward into greatness. In other words, the Ubermensch, although possessing the "good" qualities of the Priest, will for the most part, be nothing like him.
Most successful capitalists (especially in the age of the internet where we all have a very expedient path to satisfy our desires) would probably have been met with a heavy level of contempt and suspicion from Nietzsche for this reason.
Anyway, minor critique on an otherwise very great video. I completely agree with your thesis that Individualism and Collectivism are not mutually exclusive, an idea that Nietzsche himself actually seemed to also have.
I just subbed. Looking forward to seeing more of your content :)
I appreciate the insightful comment! :) I definitely agree that Nietzsche wouldn't approve of modern late-stage capitalism - I get the sense that he critiqued just about anything that was possible to critique, and given that capitalism in its current form has led to a degree of conformity and herd mentality that wasn't even possible in his time, I think he'd have a lot of negative things to say about it. I suppose I could have been more clear about that, I just wanted to get the point across that his support for a class society could be used to uphold capitalism, given that nowadays, capitalism and class society go hand in hand.
I think its completely in accurate to say that capitalism is an off spring of utilitarianism, I don't even see where you could start to say capitalism is utilitarian.
yeah nietzsche is represented quite unfairly
i wish this video had millions of views. This was a lesson I had to learn the hard way. great stuff
This is a really good video and I was pleased to see the Oscar Wilde essay cited, though the way he writes about the working poor would horrify many socialists! I've seen other commenters already express an opinion on Nietzsche that differs from mine. I do largely agree with you about him, barring the anti-semitism (he was always bemoaning the proliferation of anti-semitism in Germany at the time) and there is a lot of textual evidence to suggest that he detested capitalism and the human indignity that came with it, though the slave morality the masses expressed in response to their condition was no less repulsive to him.
Despite these facts, I think we should look to the revolutionary potential in Nietzsche's writing and not be afraid to cherry pick the things that are correct and dismiss the things he was wrong about. Jonas Ceika's book How to Philosophise with a Hammer and Sickle drives home many of the same points you make in this video, though impressively you've evidently arrived at similar conclusions entirely independently.
You may as well read the ramblings of a pretentious edgelord for revolutionary potential.
I think your microphone is struggling to handle the volume of your voice, or something like that. it's making this sound that really bothers me and probably others with sensory issues. I'm not an expert on microphones so I don't know what you could do to remedy this, but I do know that you could edit the audio to soften your "s" sounds using a specific tool that I can't remember the name of. just letting you know that this is an issue, otherwise this is a fantastic video and I really enjoy your content. it's just a little hard to listen to when the audio is like this, even though I want to listen to your videos constantly :(
I agree, that individualism vs collectivism isn't one sided where it's either the individual or the collectivity, but it is only through a well organized soceity that individuals are able to express themselves and find their purpose. In order to take care of the well being of our people, it is best that we develop a sense of collective consciousness, whether it be in the form of communal consciousness, class consciousness, racial consciousness or national consciousness. We as a species have a duty and a responsibility to find a nice balance and compromise between these 2 dichotomies such as humanism, communism, racism, nationalism, sexism, tribalism, and family vs the individual alone, and work together to create a better society for the well being of our social organism.
Both individualism and collectivism are very good!
There is no self without the other.
I'm interested in hearing your take on globalism.
Most of the people who claim to support small government and get triggered at the idea of collective responsibility have exclusionary rather than principled or unadulterated selfish motives.
In individualism there is place of Self. In actual, there is no value of Individual in individualism.
Unless you're part of the owner class, and not a petty owner.
Fuck yeah, TH-cam is feeding me the up and comers - update after I finish the video! ❤
As an Anarchist Communist, I find it baffling that people think they need to choose either individualism or collectivism. What’s good for the collective is good for the individual but also therefore what’s good for the individual is good for the collective. As long as one person isn’t free, we all aren’t. Collectives are just groups of individuals after all
Exactly!!!
There were certainly interesting points in this video, but the second half is basically just adding individual onto every idea, because collectives are made up of individuals, and saying that serving the collective is therefore individualistic.
Can you not put my late night brain chatter into something that can be understood? Yea thanks.
Keep making videos, I need better things to listen to while screwing around at work.
Platos Republic is key.
Good Luck with your new channel.
Its so nice to see a Socialist channel that actually focuses on the Economic issues (& shared goals like to flourish?) that create genuine Solidarity among the economic masses, instead of all those Socialist channels that still destroy economic Solidarity by divding people by Race, ethnicity, Gender, Political Party, Age, Culture, or whatever petty things or personality conflicts.
The Capital Elites must LOVE it.
They take action like they do.
Its the most important thing by far imo, and why channels like Second Thought or Secular Talk or Sam Sedar do so much to destroy the very thing they care most about.
This is also why i think Sahra Wagenknecht is going in the right direction (unlike me and you, Polticans must often choose a stance on many many things, which makes Socialist/Economic Solidarity much harder).
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That's not true at all Proletariat is mainly white in the US - 71% of pop, mainly people who must work for a living.
Even in housing, it is both irrelevant and also very divisive and anti-solidarity.
So please - you are ruining Solidarity when you divide people & treat them differently by race, instead of economic class.
A white and black worker in a car plant is in same economic position.
I think second thought produces great analysis- you don't?
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I didn't say they didn't make good content.
I think second thought makes great content but does a lot to destroy Solidarity, thus opposing its own goals, unlike a channel like More Perfect Union.
Do you understand why I would say that?
alright subbing and you should 100% have a discord 😂would boost engagement
Ooooh good idea, I will definitely think about that
It’s hilarious that some teenage kid with like 13 subs already made a reaction video to this 😂
Lmaooo is it any good? 😂
Link?
@@victorconway444 nah not gonna platform that goober lol it’s a trash video
I mean no offense to Young people but are you gonna let some teenager tell you how to think?
It’s crap. Btw, no one can direct anyone else to think a way they want regardless of age, each person thinks for themselves based on the information that’s been presented to them
isn't community or collective just a group of individuals all united under one single goal ?
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Liked at 1:00 commenting at 7:17 - now don't get me wrong, I laughed like hell, but this framing of the obviousness of "not having the freedom to hurt people" and in particular the "white people needed it" line... Isn't this where leftist morality takes it's religious turn (while cheerfully denigrating traditional religion). Again, I'm broadly in social agreement... but I can see why it comes off "holier than thou": a simple reversal of monotheistic doctrine (and similarly unsupported). (EDIT: You do go on to talk about the master/slave morality but I don't think you really dismantle it - you point out (correctly) that the will to power will never enable all people so ... therefore bad?) We are talking about the development of an animal species into a cultural species. Animals absolutely do have the "right" to hurt people, and although cultural history is short compared to evolutionary humanity... so evolutionary humanity is short in turn - and we are dealing with an n of 1. Could it be true that, "there was a necessary cost to the emergence of human dignity"? I am no libertarian (dear God kill me! 555), but it's not as simple as "Hey honey, new historical morality just dropped!!" so I always find this kind of rhetoric... ahem, problematic (sigh, but the powerful do need to be shaken out of their complacent hypocrisy somehow I suppose).
(At the end), yeah I largely stand by the above, but this is a great and thought provoking essay. A second thing that I would like to say is: when you say "everyone is capable of doing great things" this can be true, but it does not entail that "it is possible for there to ever be a world in which everyone does great things" - otherwise greatness means nothing. You didn't mention this and maybe you would agree, but I feel your effervescent idealism kind of papers over this possibility and this was (according to Arendt, IMHO) Marx's fatal mistake that led him to try and "make history". I am a bit older (no, not pulling seniority, I may be just jaded and rationalising my own decisions) and I have been influenced a lot by Hannah Arendt and especially her anthology Between Past and Future (to the point of doing my own deep dive videos, just saying ^_^) so make of my thoughts what you will, but bravo, and may your revolutionary th0t encourage more people to th1nk revolutionarily!
You should do your own videos.
@@LeoTheGreat63 Thanks. 🙏 Funnily enough...😉
@@asphaltpilgrim shhhhh, I definitely didn’t look at your profile after posting my comment…
@@LeoTheGreat63 😁👍 Thanks Leo, you're great (maybe... That's what I heard anyway)
You know "RevThOt" (what do you want to be called??) have you considered making a video about when the number or Voters who don't want a Housing Crisis will outnumber those those that do, and when politicans will need to act accordingly (the way Baby Boomers always had polticans making policy in their interests, as the biggest voting block).
Im talking about Australia, but I think it applies to other countries.
Vienna showed that the housing crisis is not hard or expensive to solve, right?
I own my own home (lots of luck of birth) but my best friend committed suicide in 2023 wirh housing being an essential factor, plus other of my friends' rent, etc.
Plus i dont want a big mortagage if i move.
So i dont want house prices to go up at all! I want Vienna Solution!!
GET A BETTER MIC, I BEG OF YOU. THESE FUCKING AUDIO SPIKES HURT MY EARS
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Individualiſm is good becauſe nobody wants to be puniſhed for þe individual actions of oþer group members. Imagine getting ſent to priſon for þe actions of anoþer member of your race.
I don't believe anyone is suggesting this?
sigma video
Hassan ??
Nope.
Not exactly a brilliant rejoinder. Which parts do you disagree with?
What a pleasant surprise! TH-cam's algorithm actually suggested a low subscriber channel! I am liking and subscribing! Good luck to you! I really enjoyed the video!
Thank you!! ☺
Good point. Yes. Somehow my YT algorithm eventually put me here too; a pleasant surprise finding a fresh new channel with such intelligent thoughtful material of interest to me and so passionately and engaged too. You’re gonna go places!
You deserve more subscribers immediately! I’ve joined, so there’s a plus 1! I predict you’ll find your way to a much larger following soon! Just keep doing what you’re doing.
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