I have all the tables for FX3, and the new FX seems like a money grab. I didn't buy all the tables just for them to re-release them at full price again. Existing table owners should get the tables at a considerable discount.
@@pinballwiz45b Yes, but not enough. Anything less than a 60% discount is a spit in the eye to those who have spent good money on the tables already IMO. I'll just stick with FX3 and save my money and avoid Zen's money grab.
Will this be the last time you expect me to pay for all the tables AGAIN? Is this what you are doing with this platform? If you expect me to buy them again in the future it's a huge no from me.
He definitely has a point of the naming also, because I'm just starting to get into some arcade style gaming, bought an Atgames ALU a month ago, and plan on buying the 4K ALP when it's released, and I've seen videos of people using the PinballFX and FX3 on their ALP machines, and then got really confused the FX is newer and comes after comes after FX3. This video at least clarifies that issue for me.
As you can see from the silence, they will indeed be expecting you to buy them all again next time they 'update' the software. Bail now. Do not support this.
Only Portal and Walking Dead are not jumping over. 33 remasters remain to be released on FX as of today. Bethesda should be no problem; the remastering process I imagine takes quite a bit of time to get right. Jurassic Park is in there -- look under "Universal Pinball". We didn't get Ninja Gaiden on PC. Gotta enjoy console exclusive titles. We had an opportunity to purchase tables individually but with an in-game currency. Stackable discounts based on number of tables purchased. We were fortunate enough to get tables transferred over throughout FX, FX2, and FX3's lifespan. I can imagine a lot of costs transferring everyone's tables over, and even the process from FX2 to FX3 wasn't all that perfect.
I think some of the older tables just aren’t there YET because of resources. They couldn’t work on all these new tables AND work on ALL of the old tables too. So a compromise was made else the release would have had to be pushed even further back. I think they made the right decision. Given a choice what would you have done? Only bring the old tables over? Then people would complain there was nothing new. We are already seeing releases and information far quicker than they ever have shared as a company ever before. It was a painful and looooong transition, but it was worthwhile. Now they can move forward and it will be bigger and better ultimately!!
Pretty sure Zen already confirmed all classic tables eventually coming back. The feeling you have with the Noir table is probably a lot like the feeling i get with the Brothers In Arms one: It's one of my favorite shooter series of all times (first 3 main games obviously) and the table captures the essence perfectly, pure nostalgia. Zen really know what they're doing when it comes to the licensed tables.
They are it’s gonna be in zen original pack 2. They are working on bringing back all tables from fx3 and even some from fx2 (southpark ) I agree that it would be amazing if this had all happened at once but I think they just needed to get the game out to get things and money rolling in to keep green lighting stuff after the big Covid delays
One other thing that I consider a big upgrade is getting a new ESRB rating, meaning that original artwork can be freely used on tables across all releases (barring licensing issues for celebrity likenesses). The guy in No Good Gofers just didn't look right without his cigar!
@@Bajso84 I have the PS5 version of Pinball FX and Monster Bash has "red blood" instead of "green slime", Dr Dude's assistant's top button of her blouse is open, and the guy has his cigar back for No Good Gofers. However (and this is really "for what it's worth"), you may see the altered artwork pop up in random non-game places now and again. For example, there is currently an Event for No Good Gofers, and the guy in the banner has no cigar. In the game though, it's the original artwork.
The Reason they named this Pinball FX this time is because its Cross Platform which is what they wanted to do with the first release of the game back in the day.
Wow, I'm new to this hobby and I'm currently looking into purchasing a virtual pinball table but so far unless I spend thousands all the other options seem to be either poor graphics, old fashioned games or you have to start moding and hooking up pc's but wow when I first saw this video I thought it was a real pinball table, this is exciting to someone new to the hobby like myself... I am loving the animation and surely that's the bonus niche to the virtual compared to mechanical. The added depth to these tables also seems mind blowing. I am new so obviously I cannot comprehend your disappointment but these tables are by far the best I have whilst browsing the internet and TH-cam.
Hi all, I have just downloaded the new Zen FX tables onto my Switch to play through my ATGames legend pinball using a SJ@XJ CY-2201 encoder board, the board works great for controling the flippers on FX3 and the Star Wars pack but will not respond to Zen FX so i have to resort to using the Switch joy-cons, very frustrating as nothing changes between the different packs, so i am now reluctant to download any more tables.
Some good points and I understand your disappointment. I've been playing the Early Access on PC for about a year before the console releases and the improvements over that time have been significant with all credit going to the hard work by the team of talented people at Zen. I'm confident, given time, this new platform will surpass the high standard set by PFX3 and become the gold standard that all other Pinball Simulations will be measured by. Keep up the awesome work :-)
You are right, if they offer a subscription, everything should be included. And a discount for preowners (as I have every table of FX3) would have been nice. And I totally feel you with old and gone tables, still missing Plants versus Zombies from FX2 😥
I'm new to pinball and started to play Fishtales on FX3 on xbox about 1 month ago and really liked it and was going to buy the Indiana Jones table for it (as I loved that one growing up as a kid) but it was $23 AU and seemed a bit much for a table and then I heard about Pinball FX is even newer and tried that and the graphics seems a bit worse on xbox and the tables are more expensive. Also, I'm only a part time player and don't like the pretend tables and only like the real tables like Adam Family, Getaway and Indiana Jones. I tried a few fake ones and they don't feel fun to me but I really enjoy the Williams ones. Just yesterday I checked the xbox store and seems there is a sales on with tables at a big discount so I will be buying some for sure. Indiana was $23 now its $8 so definitely worth it for that price and will be giving it a go.
I bought The Addams Family, because I've wanted it for so long and I missed it when it was in Pinball Arcade. I like Pinball FX and I will probably buy Pinbot when and if it is released. I will also probably buy Bride of Pinbot. Having said that, I think it is really crappy that we have to rebuy tables. I have almost every Williams table in FX3 except for Indiana. I am not going to buy all of those tables again just to have them on the new engine. They've just chosen a really bad way to do things in this version.
I‘d love to see a different payment model. Pay once for every table license and then pay for the core game updates. That way you could always take your licenses up to the next core game and the developers would still see some money for the work, they have put into the core mechanics
You take into consideration there maybe specific table you don't want ( if understood you comment correctly) but having to buy the tables again sucks how much is each table is it a fixed price or is adjusted but other than that I don't see anything bad the way I see it is some OLD originals are gone but in its place are either fresh NEW originals or NEW licensed tables I don't see anything bad there
First time playing virtual pinball have only tried Pinball FX and the outragous prices of all the tables is concerning. Id love to get into this game and grab high scores on more than the 2 free ones. But $100 for some pixels idk man.
yeah, thats a major concern with these setups. they will abandon items and we will never see them again in the future. people dont want to spend money if the platform is going to abandon them. I love FX3 and I really hope pinball fx raises the bar. their release video sounds promising, but I need to see to beleive
The name really did confuse me. I thought it was the older game so I didn’t even look at it for a month lol. I really hope they add VR support. It’s a real game-changer, adding that depth and a more natural feel for the nudges.
I agree this is better than fx3. With Attack from mars i lost a lot of balls through the center. This did not happen irl (played a lot on that). FX does that a lot better.
I suspect some of the very old tables are missing is because some of them were flipped copies of real-world tables they didn't have the rights to. (Early Zen was naughty Zen. I don't think they ever thought they'd be in a position where one day they could be business partners with Bally Williams, Stern etc.) Also, some were really bad, broken. e.g. Buccaneer, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and (IMO) Rome.
Pinball FX has improved over the last year, but is still a gigantic disappointment in my eyes. Comparing the PC versions, PFX3 looks better, sounds better and plays better as far as the Williams tables are concerned. The only (slight) improvement I see is in the physics on the non-Williams tables where the ball now has some bounce and doesn't drop dead on the flippers anymore. The downside is that there now is even less of a 'feel' of weight, with the ball seemingly made of rubber rather than steel. There's a jumpy quality to ball behaviour that just doesn't seem right. Audio is worse now; same sounds, but awfully balanced and significantly distorted ROM audio in the case of some Williams tables. Overall, rather then the jump in simulation quality I hoped for FX is IMO a downgrade and offers no incentive to move over from FX3. Shame really, I would'nt have a problem paying for tables I already own provided the experience is substantially improved, but I guess I can keep the money in my pocket now.
I got this feeling playing Space Station back n forth between the two but ending up putting up a way higher score on FX . I do biting the ball bounces a lot more and things seem faster on the Williams tables more out of control . They need to fix this
I agree. I don't understand how every comment doesn't mention that graphically FX is noticeably inferior. I don't like the springy rubbery physics although I could see how that at least could be a preference thing. I get weird judders and hitching in gameplay on FX, whereas FX3 is buttery smooth. The new tables seem cartoony and overly saturated. The whole FX game seems to be a huge step backwards. I like buying the occasional new table... and now I just won't.
I hated the idea of Pinball FX and pay to play subscription like a APP on your phone with passes to earn. NO! Now I have my PS5 with my screen turned sideways and the PS5 does CABINET MODE. Honking yeah. Now I get to see what a 4k upgrade will do. Glorious. Almost as glorious as adding the 7.1 sound. Super glorious. And a powered subwoofer. Ultra Glorious. This is all I play now. Forget Hogwarts Legacy... God of War... whatevs... Pinball all the way!
For me, I’m of similar mind, but I am also disappointed with lack of a comparable cabinet mode to FX3. I understand it’s still early access, so it will eventually exist, but it needs to be better than FX3, if it’s going to pull me away from Visual Pinball X. I bought a handful of tables in FX3, but I still usually prefer to play the VPX versions because of things like SSF, animated backglasses and pup pack media.
You're right that cabinet mode is barebones compared to FX3. However, it's not finished. Zen's going full-force with cabinet mode this year, and they have a dedicated team to implement features that FX3 didn't have, or so I'm led to believe. Zen's DIY cabinet they built on Twitch / the Pinball Show? That was on purpose.
I felt the same way about the classic tables... I wasnt alone... they have said those will come out... I believe I will give it some time... I just decided I would keep playing the tables I already own on FX3 and just look at getting new tables on the new platform...
Anything that just added Addams Family, World Cup Soccer 94, Bride of Pinbot, and Swords of Fury is not a step back. A have a feeling that they will start adding more Williams tables and for the love of god please hook up with Stern, Sega, Data East, and Jersey Jack!
You still own FX3 and can still "play the same tables". I'm guessing you want a newer product (FX) for free (or near free) simply because you own the six year old FX3? No one is forcing you to buy the new versions.
@@Sprogster I'm not opposed to paying. I'd be happy to pay to upgrade my tables to the improved physics. But $100 a year is a lot just for improved physics. I understand most of the cost is licensing, but I've already paid for the licences over the years.
Aside from the need to purchase the same tables again (which, if I absolutely had to I wouldn't mind), I've heard people say that the physics are different. Now, I constantly go back and forth between PBFX3 and Zaccaria Pinball, which have completely different physics, and I've been able to adapt to each pretty easily. I don't think the physics in this would be a major issue for me with the tables in this. I like to see it as if each product was a different venue, and the duplicate tables in each, especially if they're older machines, are likely not to have the EXACT same fine-tuned physics. *As a contextual example:* I went to two different pinball arcade venues one time a few years ago, and the Attack From Mars at one venue didn't feel like it had quite the same physics as the Attack From Mars at a sister venue down the street, but I managed to adapt. The only other issue I've heard about is a very miniscule flipper lag. I'd have to feel that for myself to form an opinion on. If anything, It'd probably only be for tables I don't already own, and it seems like there are QUITE A LOT! That said, I'm gonna remain optimistic about this product and give it a chance, and disregard the bad aspects unless they make themselves too prevalent for me to stick around.
My Pinball Noir table locks the whole game up every time I lock a ball during the trial. Do you or anyone else have this problem? I want to play this game without problems!
At the end of the day, there is a better pinball simulator in every way with 100s of tables for FREE. I tried it right after Pinball FX and stick with it ever since.
unnecessary engine change..... i was impressed with fx3 but disappointed with the newer fx... 10% more visual fidelity but 200% more demanding on the hardware.... no true controller remapping, rudimentary cabinet support, no animated backglasses, no rewind feature, no ambient lighting options, manual camera is like 10 degrees in adjustment range....
Performance optimization took a step back, graphics and physics stayed about the same, camera options slightly improved, ball reflections took step back. Honestly wish they took a more realistic look & feel with the Zen tables rather than cartoony/animated.
My question is why are some of the IP voices and music just way off from the original IP. The most obvious are the Universal tables, that isn't Marty or Doc or the Garfield table voices are terrible. Snoopy, where is the known Peanuts music?
I tried the free tables on switch, but I have to say it looks a lot worse than fx3. I also heard it had different physics on switch, and a separate leader board. Overall a huge letdown. Not to mention the 10 page user agreement at the start 😮💨 Tried Xbox One X too. Fares better than on the switch, but the UI is a choppy, confusing and unpleasant mess. Why can't they release a normal game?
I refuse to buy the tables again. I did buy tables I never played before though. I just will go back and play the old ones instead of wasting money on a table that is the same one I owned. I do hope they bring pinbot though that’s my favorite.
for me, the game is as good as it always has been since they started releasing the offical tables. I cannot stand any of the the non licensed made up tables however impressive they look, they just dont feel right and its like some mad ramp fest. there never seems to be any flow. i wouldnt mind anyone who may be reading this to give me their best 3 made up tables so i can have a retrospect.. Ive tried and tried and tried. I buy them all hoping they may have that classic 80s-90s feel. where they dropped the ball in Fx is quite simply is do dont ferel like there is any progression and tournament style anything. sure we can all make our own tournaments and there are those events but its dead shallow. There needs to be more on a ladder style play, i only play the williams set now but wouldnt mind buying in to things like they had in 3 with the ladder system. Anywats, i hope they just keep pumping in more and more offical tables. Some of the 60s 70s ones might be good but if zaccaria have the rights then this is fine, i can buy both. ye, good game,,love pinball.
i have same feelings but i also like wolverine table, x-men, women's a-force, infinite gauntlet, maybe blade, fantastic4, spider-man and hulk also but only in fx , cuz in previois game physic is much worse from new tables Borderlands looks neat too
For me, I am disappointed that Pinball FX, has caused them to drop new tables support for Pinball FX2. I committed to FX2 on the Mac, and no more tables being added. That plus there is no new version for the Mac to enable play of the newer tables, Like Addams Family or Indiana Jones. I asked questions on their website and email distro, and no answer. I prefer someone to say they dropped FX2 support, instead of ignoring me.i committed a lot of funds to their game when I purchased many tables. FX2 is frozen in time.
ZP2 uses the PX engine, and while FX3 has Indy there, I wonder if system specifications are a factor, and how many Mac users would have ended up purchasing Indy on Zen Pinball 2. Anyway, Zen completely hopped from PX to Unreal, which is why we haven't seen Addams Family or World Cup on FX3/ZP2. Given Zen Pinball Party on Apple Arcade, time will tell if (or when) FX arrives on Mac.
Follow up: I got a reply after a 3rd email to tech support. Here is the reply not great news.. "Thank you for writing. Mac as a platform is an interesting topic since it is not the most ideal platform for gaming. Our products were having issues too. We won't release new tables or content on Mac. Windows and consoles are now the main platform for the newest tables and content. Sorry about the inconveniences."
I've bought all their tables multiple times. But I'm just not doing it again and I'm not paying a subscription either. Unfortunately Pinball FX3 is it for me. The Indiana Jones table for that game will be my last Zen Studios purchase, probably for life.
Zen actually lost me in Pinball FX on the mechanical changes made. The Pro physics is a horrible mash-up between Zen physics and Williams Classic Arcade physics in Pinball FX3. The ball has this weird rubber ball quality, especially in the way it bounces. Flipper tricks feel ackward and artificial rather than it being an accurate physics simulation. They should have sticked with their original intention to add realistic physics to all tables in FX rather than this half-and-half implentation. The Zen originals are still boring and too long-playing with this new Pro physics and the Williams tables are too easy and unrealistic playing. Unfortunately, Zen has made it clear that they are sticking with this, so I've moved on.
100% disagree. I own all the FX3 tables (save Indy) and the physics of the 50+ Zen FX tables (new) feel so much better than the older, less great FX3 physics.
The new physics is a horrible mash-up between Zen physics and Classic Arcade physics on Pinball FX3 and it doesn't work, especially for the Williams tables. They lost me there.
There's been a lot of unnecessary hate towards FX and Zen. Personally I'm loving it and the future looks very promising. Zen has tried to make it as accessible as possible to everyone across all platforms. I play on Series X, cabinet and Quest 2, the new releases are welcomed and I know they will nail the cabinet mode. I tend to go all in, I don't feel I should get tables for FREE just because I bought them on a previous version or Steam, when you look at the replay value, the tables individually aren't overpriced, the 'ticket' system was away of addressing this but sadly the moaners forced Zen to reverse this. I have to say the Quest 2 FX tables is the best experience, the level of detail and immersion is mind blowing!! Hopefully they will revisit this platform in the future
i got confused by the naming.... i recently remembered how i loved to play pinball games on pc as a kid, so i searched steam for pinball. i found pinball FX and FX 2 VR and FX 3. i thought "okay, FX 3 must be the newest one" and i downloaded it and bought a bunch of tables during the summer sale. now that the sale is over, i found out that FX is newer than FX 3 xD
@@pinballwiz45b good point, but still. i simply didn't expect them to name it the same way they named their first game ^^' i'll simply treat them as seperate games and will buy different tables for pinball fx. not gonna spend the money twice in such a short timeframe.
Same for me.. Then i downloaded pinball fx and many demo tables and on pinball fx3 they look better... On series x. I ll never buy again the same tables. I m ok with fx3 ones.
Sorry, no way I'm paying AGAIN for licensed tables I've already paid for. It is insulting to have me spend hundreds of dollars over the years on tables, and then you want me to pay again because you basically improved what you didnt do correctly that I already paid for??? No flipping way. It's moves like this that make the community turn to other means of getting the tables they want to play.
Here's the thing: They were done correctly. There is no wrong way of doing things, but when you make improvements on a physics model built for Williams and retroactively apply them on releases prior, you're going to run into problems. Those tables weren't built with Williams physics in mind. We're talking tables dating as far back as 2009/2010. FX2/FX3 originals play very differently in the new FX.
@@pinballwiz45b Nope, sorry. They are asking people who supported them in the past to pay the same amount as newcomers. That is called Bravo Sierra. You don't get to claim "Oh its improved", all that says to me is "Oh we ripped you off before...and we will again in a few years" If they offered upgrades at a HEAVILY discounted price vs new purchases, that's another discussion. All we have here is a blatant money grab.
I prefer Pinball FX3 if I want to play the old tables. Almost all, if not all, Pinball FX tables are at the very least soulless, with several of them being ugly. Look at the World War table; Horrible table that reminds me of the original Future Pinball tables made by an amateur. I find the Pinball M tables more interesting, not all of them, of course, but the Chucky one is great. Surely a Michael Myers table is on the way.
And... tho' the vlogger admits he can afford the tables with no problem, the cheapskate comes out toward the end "It would be better if they just game me all the new, completely reprogrammed iterations of the tables for free! And only charged for new stuff!"
There's no reason that a purchase of a six year old product (FX3) entitles you to a completely repogrammed (in a completely new engnie) free FX tables. It costs them Zen dev time and money to create a whole new platform with completely reprogrammed tables. They deserve to get paid for that. You still own and can play all your owned FX3 tables, so whining "They're forcing me to buy the same tables I own!" is nonsense. If those tables are "the same", then why would you expect/be entitled to a newer, separate product?
I bet the CEO of ZEN doesn't even play pinball! They are just out to make as much money as possible which is a shame. No discounts for people that have spent bonkers money in the past on old versions to support them.
Same corny 70’s bar aesthetic. Can’t filter tournaments by physics type. No Fish Tales. No “Pinball Royale”. I’m so incredibly disappointed but too addicted to not buy new releases. I won’t re-purchase tables I already own FX3, at least until FX has made considerable improvements. It’s just baffling. They put so much effort into to the unlocks you get for each table, but you can’t properly look at them outside of editing where they are placed in the show room. You’re in this cool, customized room that you’ve designed, but you load a table and you’re back in FX3 Disco Land. I don’t understand it. It’s frustrating as hell and I don’t feel like they actually care or listen to anyone.
I’m not paying them all over again for tables I’ve already purchased… I bought all 100 tables on FX3 .It’s not happening. On top of that they took that epic cash. They did this while snubbing the STEAM crowd who are responsible for much of their success. It’s wrong all around. Greedy… I’ve instead, left this form of virtual Pinball all together. Instead I’ve purchased a full size virtual pinball cabinet with a 49” 4K playfield, DMD, backglass… All with 1600 real tables installed. I’m done giving these criminals money.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to bother... after pretty much buying all the the tables on |FX3 this just seems like a rip off - so whats new Ray tracing... nah im out
What's new? The physics have changed -- don't expect them all to play exactly the same way. Dynamic lighting. Strobe Multiball on AFM looks miles better than before, for example. New challenges. Some more new challenges appeared on Pinball M. Official cabinet mode features are integrated. DMDext and DOFLinx are directly linked to the game unlike before. Censorship on Williams: GONE, if you're a console player. Weekly events, including a free table you can play that rotates out. Nvidia Reflex, DLSS, FSR, and XeSS, among the new graphical capabilities. Custom controller mapping. Menu music slider. Many, many fixes, and loads more coming.
I have the OG Xbox One and frame rate drops on the new FX Pinball. FX3 no issue. Amazingly, new FX Pinball on my Switch Lite runs wayyyy better than on Xbox One OG.
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I have all the tables for FX3, and the new FX seems like a money grab. I didn't buy all the tables just for them to re-release them at full price again. Existing table owners should get the tables at a considerable discount.
$16 for a pack of 9 Williams tables, at the 33% (effective 46% total) discount. Yes, or no?
@@pinballwiz45b Yes, but not enough. Anything less than a 60% discount is a spit in the eye to those who have spent good money on the tables already IMO. I'll just stick with FX3 and save my money and avoid Zen's money grab.
@@mikemercer5808 Pinball Arcade did the exact same thing on consoles as Zen did.
@@pinballwiz45b But Zen have done it multiple times. That's the issue. How many times are we expected to pay for the same thing? I'm out.
@@truthwillout1980 Prove that Zen has had us repay multiple times, because I count only once on non-Nintendo platforms.
Thank you for your honest opinion, we really appreciate it. Hopefully you'll stay tuned as Pinball FX continues to get many improvements.
I'm sure I will! Love your work and continue to be a real fan of what Zen Studios does for pinball. :-)
Will this be the last time you expect me to pay for all the tables AGAIN? Is this what you are doing with this platform?
If you expect me to buy them again in the future it's a huge no from me.
He definitely has a point of the naming also, because I'm just starting to get into some arcade style gaming, bought an Atgames ALU a month ago, and plan on buying the 4K ALP when it's released, and I've seen videos of people using the PinballFX and FX3 on their ALP machines, and then got really confused the FX is newer and comes after comes after FX3. This video at least clarifies that issue for me.
As you can see from the silence, they will indeed be expecting you to buy them all again next time they 'update' the software. Bail now. Do not support this.
Please bring pinbot!!! Me and my dad played it all the time and he passed away and all we have is the bride of pinbot. Pleaseeeee
Only Portal and Walking Dead are not jumping over. 33 remasters remain to be released on FX as of today. Bethesda should be no problem; the remastering process I imagine takes quite a bit of time to get right. Jurassic Park is in there -- look under "Universal Pinball".
We didn't get Ninja Gaiden on PC. Gotta enjoy console exclusive titles.
We had an opportunity to purchase tables individually but with an in-game currency. Stackable discounts based on number of tables purchased.
We were fortunate enough to get tables transferred over throughout FX, FX2, and FX3's lifespan. I can imagine a lot of costs transferring everyone's tables over, and even the process from FX2 to FX3 wasn't all that perfect.
I think some of the older tables just aren’t there YET because of resources. They couldn’t work on all these new tables AND work on ALL of the old tables too. So a compromise was made else the release would have had to be pushed even further back. I think they made the right decision. Given a choice what would you have done? Only bring the old tables over? Then people would complain there was nothing new.
We are already seeing releases and information far quicker than they ever have shared as a company ever before. It was a painful and looooong transition, but it was worthwhile. Now they can move forward and it will be bigger and better ultimately!!
Pretty sure Zen already confirmed all classic tables eventually coming back. The feeling you have with the Noir table is probably a lot like the feeling i get with the Brothers In Arms one: It's one of my favorite shooter series of all times (first 3 main games obviously) and the table captures the essence perfectly, pure nostalgia. Zen really know what they're doing when it comes to the licensed tables.
They are it’s gonna be in zen original pack 2. They are working on bringing back all tables from fx3 and even some from fx2 (southpark ) I agree that it would be amazing if this had all happened at once but I think they just needed to get the game out to get things and money rolling in to keep green lighting stuff after the big Covid delays
One other thing that I consider a big upgrade is getting a new ESRB rating, meaning that original artwork can be freely used on tables across all releases (barring licensing issues for celebrity likenesses). The guy in No Good Gofers just didn't look right without his cigar!
I imagine games the like of Scared Stiff, Jack*Bot, and Dracula would have been problems on the FX3 platform.
So it's confirmed then no censorship on consoles?
@@Bajso84 I have the PS5 version of Pinball FX and Monster Bash has "red blood" instead of "green slime", Dr Dude's assistant's top button of her blouse is open, and the guy has his cigar back for No Good Gofers.
However (and this is really "for what it's worth"), you may see the altered artwork pop up in random non-game places now and again. For example, there is currently an Event for No Good Gofers, and the guy in the banner has no cigar. In the game though, it's the original artwork.
The Reason they named this Pinball FX this time is because its Cross Platform which is what they wanted to do with the first release of the game back in the day.
Yeah, but it's super-confusing. And makes Googling really hard.
Super-bad move from Zen.
it doesn't really matter, it's not like it has a story, that you need to play FX 1, 2 and 3 to understand.
Just saw they announced Kong vs Godzilla pin and hinted towards South Park pin😮
Wow, I'm new to this hobby and I'm currently looking into purchasing a virtual pinball table but so far unless I spend thousands all the other options seem to be either poor graphics, old fashioned games or you have to start moding and hooking up pc's but wow when I first saw this video I thought it was a real pinball table, this is exciting to someone new to the hobby like myself... I am loving the animation and surely that's the bonus niche to the virtual compared to mechanical. The added depth to these tables also seems mind blowing. I am new so obviously I cannot comprehend your disappointment but these tables are by far the best I have whilst browsing the internet and TH-cam.
Hi all, I have just downloaded the new Zen FX tables onto my Switch to play through my ATGames legend pinball using a SJ@XJ CY-2201 encoder board, the board works great for controling the flippers on FX3 and the Star Wars pack but will not respond to Zen FX so i have to resort to using the Switch joy-cons, very frustrating as nothing changes between the different packs, so i am now reluctant to download any more tables.
Some good points and I understand your disappointment. I've been playing the Early Access on PC for about a year before the console releases and the improvements over that time have been significant with all credit going to the hard work by the team of talented people at Zen. I'm confident, given time, this new platform will surpass the high standard set by PFX3 and become the gold standard that all other Pinball Simulations will be measured by. Keep up the awesome work :-)
Why doesn't Zen Pinball include VR in their platform? FX2 seriously needs a update.
I'm sure that would cost them nothing! And thrill all four VR users.
VR news in 2024, per Blahcade Podcast 269.
You are right, if they offer a subscription, everything should be included. And a discount for preowners (as I have every table of FX3) would have been nice.
And I totally feel you with old and gone tables, still missing Plants versus Zombies from FX2 😥
That would be EA.
South Park is back!
I'm new to pinball and started to play Fishtales on FX3 on xbox about 1 month ago and really liked it and was going to buy the Indiana Jones table for it (as I loved that one growing up as a kid) but it was $23 AU and seemed a bit much for a table and then I heard about Pinball FX is even newer and tried that and the graphics seems a bit worse on xbox and the tables are more expensive. Also, I'm only a part time player and don't like the pretend tables and only like the real tables like Adam Family, Getaway and Indiana Jones. I tried a few fake ones and they don't feel fun to me but I really enjoy the Williams ones.
Just yesterday I checked the xbox store and seems there is a sales on with tables at a big discount so I will be buying some for sure. Indiana was $23 now its $8 so definitely worth it for that price and will be giving it a go.
I bought The Addams Family, because I've wanted it for so long and I missed it when it was in Pinball Arcade. I like Pinball FX and I will probably buy Pinbot when and if it is released. I will also probably buy Bride of Pinbot. Having said that, I think it is really crappy that we have to rebuy tables. I have almost every Williams table in FX3 except for Indiana. I am not going to buy all of those tables again just to have them on the new engine. They've just chosen a really bad way to do things in this version.
I‘d love to see a different payment model. Pay once for every table license and then pay for the core game updates. That way you could always take your licenses up to the next core game and the developers would still see some money for the work, they have put into the core mechanics
You take into consideration there maybe specific table you don't want ( if understood you comment correctly) but having to buy the tables again sucks how much is each table is it a fixed price or is adjusted but other than that I don't see anything bad the way I see it is some OLD originals are gone but in its place are either fresh NEW originals or NEW licensed tables I don't see anything bad there
First time playing virtual pinball have only tried Pinball FX and the outragous prices of all the tables is concerning. Id love to get into this game and grab high scores on more than the 2 free ones. But $100 for some pixels idk man.
I really miss the old tables too like plants vs zombies.
Heads up, the Medieval Pack is returning! Excalibur and Epic Quest.
love their pinball games i wish we had best spokesmen like you
The tables are coming. It will just take time.
yeah, thats a major concern with these setups. they will abandon items and we will never see them again in the future. people dont want to spend money if the platform is going to abandon them. I love FX3 and I really hope pinball fx raises the bar. their release video sounds promising, but I need to see to beleive
The name really did confuse me. I thought it was the older game so I didn’t even look at it for a month lol.
I really hope they add VR support. It’s a real game-changer, adding that depth and a more natural feel for the nudges.
I almost bought Pinball FX3 thinking it was the current version. I’m happy I didn’t.
I agree this is better than fx3. With Attack from mars i lost a lot of balls through the center. This did not happen irl (played a lot on that). FX does that a lot better.
i just bought close to 30-40 tables for $60 marvel pinball 1-2 williams collection 1-2 core collection monsters addams family twilight zone star trek
No Excalibur? I would've thought it was basically their mascot. Lol
Yes, Excalibur is the very first table I would have expected to see, lol. Doesn't feel like Zen Pinball without it :D
I spy a teaser for the upcoming Pinball Bites episode, with the Excalibur character hidden in the background...
Monday is the official air date.
I suspect some of the very old tables are missing is because some of them were flipped copies of real-world tables they didn't have the rights to. (Early Zen was naughty Zen. I don't think they ever thought they'd be in a position where one day they could be business partners with Bally Williams, Stern etc.)
Also, some were really bad, broken. e.g. Buccaneer, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and (IMO) Rome.
Buccaneer was just a rip off of Addams Family. But obviously no where near as good!
Rome is available (and plays well) on the new Pinball FX.
Pinball FX has improved over the last year, but is still a gigantic disappointment in my eyes.
Comparing the PC versions, PFX3 looks better, sounds better and plays better as far as the Williams tables are concerned.
The only (slight) improvement I see is in the physics on the non-Williams tables where the ball now has some bounce and doesn't drop dead on the flippers anymore.
The downside is that there now is even less of a 'feel' of weight, with the ball seemingly made of rubber rather than steel.
There's a jumpy quality to ball behaviour that just doesn't seem right.
Audio is worse now; same sounds, but awfully balanced and significantly distorted ROM audio in the case of some Williams tables.
Overall, rather then the jump in simulation quality I hoped for FX is IMO a downgrade and offers no incentive to move over from FX3.
Shame really, I would'nt have a problem paying for tables I already own provided the experience is substantially improved, but I guess I can keep the money in my pocket now.
I got this feeling playing Space Station back n forth between the two but ending up putting up a way higher score on FX . I do biting the ball bounces a lot more and things seem faster on the Williams tables more out of control . They need to fix this
I agree. I don't understand how every comment doesn't mention that graphically FX is noticeably inferior. I don't like the springy rubbery physics although I could see how that at least could be a preference thing. I get weird judders and hitching in gameplay on FX, whereas FX3 is buttery smooth. The new tables seem cartoony and overly saturated. The whole FX game seems to be a huge step backwards. I like buying the occasional new table... and now I just won't.
I hated the idea of Pinball FX and pay to play subscription like a APP on your phone with passes to earn. NO! Now I have my PS5 with my screen turned sideways and the PS5 does CABINET MODE. Honking yeah. Now I get to see what a 4k upgrade will do. Glorious. Almost as glorious as adding the 7.1 sound. Super glorious. And a powered subwoofer. Ultra Glorious. This is all I play now. Forget Hogwarts Legacy... God of War... whatevs... Pinball all the way!
I missed the local high score tables. It only appears briefly during attraction mode.
Implemented.
For me, I’m of similar mind, but I am also disappointed with lack of a comparable cabinet mode to FX3. I understand it’s still early access, so it will eventually exist, but it needs to be better than FX3, if it’s going to pull me away from Visual Pinball X.
I bought a handful of tables in FX3, but I still usually prefer to play the VPX versions because of things like SSF, animated backglasses and pup pack media.
You're right that cabinet mode is barebones compared to FX3. However, it's not finished. Zen's going full-force with cabinet mode this year, and they have a dedicated team to implement features that FX3 didn't have, or so I'm led to believe.
Zen's DIY cabinet they built on Twitch / the Pinball Show? That was on purpose.
I felt the same way about the classic tables... I wasnt alone... they have said those will come out... I believe I will give it some time... I just decided I would keep playing the tables I already own on FX3 and just look at getting new tables on the new platform...
Anything that just added Addams Family, World Cup Soccer 94, Bride of Pinbot, and Swords of Fury is not a step back. A have a feeling that they will start adding more Williams tables and for the love of god please hook up with Stern, Sega, Data East, and Jersey Jack!
Compared to FX 3 the ball movement is sluggish.
Snoopy is on Switch now. Marvel is arriving Aug 26
I've bought every single FX3 table. Now they want $100 a year so I can play the same tables? No thank you.
You still own FX3 and can still "play the same tables". I'm guessing you want a newer product (FX) for free (or near free) simply because you own the six year old FX3? No one is forcing you to buy the new versions.
@@Sprogster I'm not opposed to paying. I'd be happy to pay to upgrade my tables to the improved physics. But $100 a year is a lot just for improved physics. I understand most of the cost is licensing, but I've already paid for the licences over the years.
@@ryandonahue5288 Subscriptions are entirely optional.
Aside from the need to purchase the same tables again (which, if I absolutely had to I wouldn't mind), I've heard people say that the physics are different. Now, I constantly go back and forth between PBFX3 and Zaccaria Pinball, which have completely different physics, and I've been able to adapt to each pretty easily. I don't think the physics in this would be a major issue for me with the tables in this. I like to see it as if each product was a different venue, and the duplicate tables in each, especially if they're older machines, are likely not to have the EXACT same fine-tuned physics.
*As a contextual example:* I went to two different pinball arcade venues one time a few years ago, and the Attack From Mars at one venue didn't feel like it had quite the same physics as the Attack From Mars at a sister venue down the street, but I managed to adapt.
The only other issue I've heard about is a very miniscule flipper lag. I'd have to feel that for myself to form an opinion on.
If anything, It'd probably only be for tables I don't already own, and it seems like there are QUITE A LOT!
That said, I'm gonna remain optimistic about this product and give it a chance, and disregard the bad aspects unless they make themselves too prevalent for me to stick around.
If you by the pass on pc will it work with console as well? Or do you have to buy 2 passes?
My Pinball Noir table locks the whole game up every time I lock a ball during the trial. Do you or anyone else have this problem? I want to play this game without problems!
Hey, want to follow up with you on this. What OS / Graphics card do you use? There are reports on Steam about this; we're trying to decipher this out.
Subscription is a terrible idea. The tables are never really yours. Just purchase them. That's the better option.
At the end of the day, there is a better pinball simulator in every way with 100s of tables for FREE.
I tried it right after Pinball FX and stick with it ever since.
unnecessary engine change..... i was impressed with fx3 but disappointed with the newer fx... 10% more visual fidelity but 200% more demanding on the hardware.... no true controller remapping, rudimentary cabinet support, no animated backglasses, no rewind feature, no ambient lighting options, manual camera is like 10 degrees in adjustment range....
We need Space Shuttle
Performance optimization took a step back, graphics and physics stayed about the same, camera options slightly improved, ball reflections took step back. Honestly wish they took a more realistic look & feel with the Zen tables rather than cartoony/animated.
I agree. The ball is more like a ball of light and not a true steel looking ball that rolls.
@@kenzeiger They changed the look of the ball on the new tables; feel free to take another look.
My question is why are some of the IP voices and music just way off from the original IP. The most obvious are the Universal tables, that isn't Marty or Doc or the Garfield table voices are terrible. Snoopy, where is the known Peanuts music?
I think you'll really like the Charlie Brown Christmas table!
I tried the free tables on switch, but I have to say it looks a lot worse than fx3. I also heard it had different physics on switch, and a separate leader board. Overall a huge letdown.
Not to mention the 10 page user agreement at the start 😮💨
Tried Xbox One X too. Fares better than on the switch, but the UI is a choppy, confusing and unpleasant mess.
Why can't they release a normal game?
I refuse to buy the tables again. I did buy tables I never played before though. I just will go back and play the old ones instead of wasting money on a table that is the same one I owned. I do hope they bring pinbot though that’s my favorite.
that one pinbot is not for the faint of heart , lol
for me, the game is as good as it always has been since they started releasing the offical tables. I cannot stand any of the the non licensed made up tables however impressive they look, they just dont feel right and its like some mad ramp fest. there never seems to be any flow. i wouldnt mind anyone who may be reading this to give me their best 3 made up tables so i can have a retrospect.. Ive tried and tried and tried. I buy them all hoping they may have that classic 80s-90s feel. where they dropped the ball in Fx is quite simply is do dont ferel like there is any progression and tournament style anything. sure we can all make our own tournaments and there are those events but its dead shallow. There needs to be more on a ladder style play, i only play the williams set now but wouldnt mind buying in to things like they had in 3 with the ladder system. Anywats, i hope they just keep pumping in more and more offical tables. Some of the 60s 70s ones might be good but if zaccaria have the rights then this is fine, i can buy both. ye, good game,,love pinball.
i have same feelings
but i also like wolverine table, x-men, women's a-force, infinite gauntlet, maybe blade, fantastic4, spider-man and hulk also
but only in fx , cuz in previois game physic is much worse
from new tables Borderlands looks neat too
For me, I am disappointed that Pinball FX, has caused them to drop new tables support for Pinball FX2. I committed to FX2 on the Mac, and no more tables being added. That plus there is no new version for the Mac to enable play of the newer tables, Like Addams Family or Indiana Jones. I asked questions on their website and email distro, and no answer. I prefer someone to say they dropped FX2 support, instead of ignoring me.i committed a lot of funds to their game when I purchased many tables. FX2 is frozen in time.
ZP2 uses the PX engine, and while FX3 has Indy there, I wonder if system specifications are a factor, and how many Mac users would have ended up purchasing Indy on Zen Pinball 2.
Anyway, Zen completely hopped from PX to Unreal, which is why we haven't seen Addams Family or World Cup on FX3/ZP2. Given Zen Pinball Party on Apple Arcade, time will tell if (or when) FX arrives on Mac.
Follow up: I got a reply after a 3rd email to tech support. Here is the reply not great news.. "Thank you for writing. Mac as a platform is an interesting topic since it is not the most ideal platform for gaming. Our products were having issues too. We won't release new tables or content on Mac. Windows and consoles are now the main platform for the newest tables and content. Sorry about the inconveniences."
We need Rocky and Bullwinkle again! It was only on the original pinball fx from the Xbox 360
I've bought all their tables multiple times. But I'm just not doing it again and I'm not paying a subscription either. Unfortunately Pinball FX3 is it for me. The Indiana Jones table for that game will be my last Zen Studios purchase, probably for life.
Zen actually lost me in Pinball FX on the mechanical changes made. The Pro physics is a horrible mash-up between Zen physics and Williams Classic Arcade physics in Pinball FX3. The ball has this weird rubber ball quality, especially in the way it bounces. Flipper tricks feel ackward and artificial rather than it being an accurate physics simulation. They should have sticked with their original intention to add realistic physics to all tables in FX rather than this half-and-half implentation. The Zen originals are still boring and too long-playing with this new Pro physics and the Williams tables are too easy and unrealistic playing. Unfortunately, Zen has made it clear that they are sticking with this, so I've moved on.
moved on to what ?
@@WizardBalls29 Visual Pinball X
No racism in the lovecraft table? We’ll forget that purchase then.
i'm finding the physics are well out and the ball tends to float too much. FX3 however spot on no problem
100% disagree. I own all the FX3 tables (save Indy) and the physics of the 50+ Zen FX tables (new) feel so much better than the older, less great FX3 physics.
@@Sprogster I disagree completely
The new physics is a horrible mash-up between Zen physics and Classic Arcade physics on Pinball FX3 and it doesn't work, especially for the Williams tables. They lost me there.
There's been a lot of unnecessary hate towards FX and Zen. Personally I'm loving it and the future looks very promising. Zen has tried to make it as accessible as possible to everyone across all platforms. I play on Series X, cabinet and Quest 2, the new releases are welcomed and I know they will nail the cabinet mode. I tend to go all in, I don't feel I should get tables for FREE just because I bought them on a previous version or Steam, when you look at the replay value, the tables individually aren't overpriced, the 'ticket' system was away of addressing this but sadly the moaners forced Zen to reverse this. I have to say the Quest 2 FX tables is the best experience, the level of detail and immersion is mind blowing!! Hopefully they will revisit this platform in the future
Sadly? Top 10 player here on a few tables. The ticket system was HORRIBLE. Quit licking Zen's balls.
i got confused by the naming.... i recently remembered how i loved to play pinball games on pc as a kid, so i searched steam for pinball. i found pinball FX and FX 2 VR and FX 3. i thought "okay, FX 3 must be the newest one" and i downloaded it and bought a bunch of tables during the summer sale. now that the sale is over, i found out that FX is newer than FX 3 xD
Read the release dates, please.
@@pinballwiz45b good point, but still. i simply didn't expect them to name it the same way they named their first game ^^'
i'll simply treat them as seperate games and will buy different tables for pinball fx. not gonna spend the money twice in such a short timeframe.
Same for me.. Then i downloaded pinball fx and many demo tables and on pinball fx3 they look better... On series x. I ll never buy again the same tables. I m ok with fx3 ones.
Sorry, no way I'm paying AGAIN for licensed tables I've already paid for. It is insulting to have me spend hundreds of dollars over the years on tables, and then you want me to pay again because you basically improved what you didnt do correctly that I already paid for??? No flipping way. It's moves like this that make the community turn to other means of getting the tables they want to play.
Here's the thing: They were done correctly. There is no wrong way of doing things, but when you make improvements on a physics model built for Williams and retroactively apply them on releases prior, you're going to run into problems. Those tables weren't built with Williams physics in mind. We're talking tables dating as far back as 2009/2010.
FX2/FX3 originals play very differently in the new FX.
@@pinballwiz45b Nope, sorry. They are asking people who supported them in the past to pay the same amount as newcomers. That is called Bravo Sierra. You don't get to claim "Oh its improved", all that says to me is "Oh we ripped you off before...and we will again in a few years" If they offered upgrades at a HEAVILY discounted price vs new purchases, that's another discussion. All we have here is a blatant money grab.
Is my little Pony in the game
Seriously
It's was a table they offered
I agree. It’s good pinball but such a mess. I am not repurchasing and not subscribing. I think I dropped about $70 on the new tables that I wanted.
I prefer Pinball FX3 if I want to play the old tables. Almost all, if not all, Pinball FX tables are at the very least soulless, with several of them being ugly.
Look at the World War table; Horrible table that reminds me of the original Future Pinball tables made by an amateur.
I find the Pinball M tables more interesting, not all of them, of course, but the Chucky one is great. Surely a Michael Myers table is on the way.
And... tho' the vlogger admits he can afford the tables with no problem, the cheapskate comes out toward the end "It would be better if they just game me all the new, completely reprogrammed iterations of the tables for free! And only charged for new stuff!"
MTX hellhole, it's a remake of Pinball FX1 right? The original one...only it failed on every level since NOBODY plays the damn thing!
We don't have the original FX1 tables, no. It's a reboot of the entire series with much better tables.
There's no reason that a purchase of a six year old product (FX3) entitles you to a completely repogrammed (in a completely new engnie) free FX tables. It costs them Zen dev time and money to create a whole new platform with completely reprogrammed tables. They deserve to get paid for that.
You still own and can play all your owned FX3 tables, so whining "They're forcing me to buy the same tables I own!" is nonsense. If those tables are "the same", then why would you expect/be entitled to a newer, separate product?
You kind of lost me with your love for the Noir table. It's easily one of the worst playing of all the new Zen originals.
I bet the CEO of ZEN doesn't even play pinball! They are just out to make as much money as possible which is a shame. No discounts for people that have spent bonkers money in the past on old versions to support them.
Bad take. There are Legacy Discounts available on Steam for FX3 -> FX table packs.
Same corny 70’s bar aesthetic. Can’t filter tournaments by physics type. No Fish Tales. No “Pinball Royale”. I’m so incredibly disappointed but too addicted to not buy new releases. I won’t re-purchase tables I already own FX3, at least until FX has made considerable improvements. It’s just baffling. They put so much effort into to the unlocks you get for each table, but you can’t properly look at them outside of editing where they are placed in the show room. You’re in this cool, customized room that you’ve designed, but you load a table and you’re back in FX3 Disco Land. I don’t understand it. It’s frustrating as hell and I don’t feel like they actually care or listen to anyone.
I’m not paying them all over again for tables I’ve already purchased… I bought all 100 tables on FX3 .It’s not happening.
On top of that they took that epic cash.
They did this while snubbing the STEAM crowd who are responsible for much of their success. It’s wrong all around. Greedy… I’ve instead, left this form of virtual Pinball all together. Instead I’ve purchased a full size virtual pinball cabinet with a 49” 4K playfield, DMD, backglass… All with 1600 real tables installed. I’m done giving these criminals money.
Steam version releases 13th April.
So you became a criminal yourself. Nice one. Oh, and you also gave other, real criminals money. Well done.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to bother... after pretty much buying all the the tables on |FX3 this just seems like a rip off - so whats new Ray tracing... nah im out
What's new? The physics have changed -- don't expect them all to play exactly the same way.
Dynamic lighting. Strobe Multiball on AFM looks miles better than before, for example.
New challenges. Some more new challenges appeared on Pinball M.
Official cabinet mode features are integrated. DMDext and DOFLinx are directly linked to the game unlike before.
Censorship on Williams: GONE, if you're a console player.
Weekly events, including a free table you can play that rotates out.
Nvidia Reflex, DLSS, FSR, and XeSS, among the new graphical capabilities.
Custom controller mapping.
Menu music slider.
Many, many fixes, and loads more coming.
I have the OG Xbox One and frame rate drops on the new FX Pinball. FX3 no issue. Amazingly, new FX Pinball on my Switch Lite runs wayyyy better than on Xbox One OG.