This was back in 1997, when the Pontiac Grand Prix had a version of the V6 that powered the Commodore. Despite having an advantage of about 15 horsepower, it was resoundingly thrashed by its Australian cousin
I miss Karratha. Bought my FG Falcon XR6 Turbo with the Luxury pack and has 290,000 k's on it. Just got the interior detailed and looks like new again!
true mate, but the SV6 is honestly a totally different animal, esp with 6 speed manual. Honestly my SV6 man goes super hard, and im in the cops so i drive both sixes. Both top Aussie pride
Little do people know- that is actually a safety feature on the VE commodores when the Traction Control System is enabled. It stops damage happening to the gearbox as the car is temporarily rolling back while in drive (obviously being a police car it is an auto- autos can stall to!) Turn the TCS off and it won't stall.
The memory of that "cod faced" thing that was briefly imported in the mid 90s that wore Taurus badges is still fresh in the minds of Australian motorists. It had a face only a mother could love. The modern Taurus is definitely an improvement, but the issue is not just that some are only front wheel drive, but the fact that most people will be pissed off if it replaces the Falcon. How would you feel if Ford USA suddenly replaced the Mustang with a Camry clone?
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto you guys are taking the piss right. The holden v6s have always been a joke of an engine overshadowed by the barra in performance and anihilated in the reliability aspect. Nobody has ever taken a holden v6 seriously.
@woodpecker092 Frord Australia have not dropped Ute or V8. Thet still make utes & they're gearing up to convert to the new OHC Coyote 5.0 litre V8. 5.4 litre V8's are still available.
Sugar Bombs I don't consider the 2018 commodore a commodore. Reasons people buy aussie cars: Large car, Optional V8, RWD, Made in Australia. Reliable The new commodore doesn't have any of them, except maybe reliability, but in that case, camrys exist.
@kiwipilot84 Holden didnt release a pov pack with LPG as an option from the factory, where as the falcon apparently did.. Also in saying that falcons are better than commodores because there are more falcon cabs, does that mean that the prius and the hybrid camry is better than a falcon, 'cause thats what you see mainly in brisbane now. And which commodore is based on an opel?
@paspax In June 2010, new emissions regualtions introduced meant that the iconic V8 engine had to be discontinued. Ford phased this out quietly; motoring journals and magazines did not even report on it. As of now, Ford offers no V8 on any of its model lines. However, at the time the V8 was phased out, Ford's performance subsidiary, FPV, introduced a Ford America sourced V8, the 5.0 litre coyote (as used in the Mustang)....From Wiki.
What? i think you may be a little confused mate they used both base model Ford (Falcon xt) and Holden (Omega) in this test... The video shows it from about 0:30
@ParalyzedNight by what, .1 of a second on the quarter mile? Pity the new fpvs were made after the hsv's, let's see what happens when the VF comes out in 2012, in reply to the fpv's? stroked 6L to a 6.8 stock in the ss, sv6-tt has been rumored? Oh and the ve walkinshaw already beats both of the gt 335 and f6. Although it's a performance package it's still part of holden/hsv.
same as when someone spends $150,000 for an M3 which is a tarted up 320i... both performance cars are based on the base model archetecture and chassis... the w427 is a commodore with a v8 7.0L engine in it, and the M3 is a 320i with a v8 4.0L engine..
their idea was to go for the baseline. but if they were to go the 6 cyl performance class it would be SV6 vs XR6T and the turbo mill would outclass the 3.6 sidi in all aspects. in my oppinion though the SV6 would be a close match to the base falcon, maybe a slight advantage as the improved power will help close the gap created by the i6 torque characteristics
AU had the best durability rating in terms of the rear suspension. It was the perfect outer burbs country car in that respect still going strong with many owners. But ugly duckling sure it was! The BF Ghias stood out to me the most, being the incredibly elegant single owner or family outing car.
@richardpalinkas Guess again. The "other" engine at the time only had 10Nm more torque than the Omega. It was still 51Nm down on the Ford. It came with a 5speed which helped, but it wasn't as balsy. It did handle better than the Omega, but the XR6 also handled better than the XT. There is a reason that engine has been dumped after only 5 years.
Agreed with a lot of what you said, but the sales are certainly not evenly matched. The Commodore has out sold the Falcon for all bar 2 or 3 of the past 20 years, sometimes by a margin of almost 2 to 1 (during the AU years).
Why can't we have the Ford Falcon and Chevrolet Caprice (US Holden Commodore re-badge) for sale in the US? Now that the Crown Victoria is gone, there are no more rear wheel drive Ford sedans in North America. I'm sure that a slightly restyled Lincoln version of the Falcon would compete well with the Cadillac CTS, and other German and Japanese mid-size luxury sports sedans. GM would benefit from a new RWD Chevrolet Caprice too since the near identical Pontiac G8 disappeared in 2009.
The car company's would probably be begging top gear to advertises the mighty great machines of Australia, I mean it's a brilliant way of getting the message out about buying these high quality cars, it's like at the end of the day all ford and Holden fans have in common is they want these cars to be supported so they don't get to lose their passion, experimenting new generations of goodness that could have been?
@RockSolitude Also, some of Holden's cars look like they have been sourced from Daewoo or other Asian manufacturers (such as the Epica, Cruze and regular Barina's)
ford took money as well. but instead of taking it through the government they took a bunch of loans from different banks to stay afloat. either way, they both paid back their debt. both ahead of schedule. some GM stock is held by the US treasury dept. and some Ford stock is held by banks. its the same sort of thing.
@kiwipilot84 nobody mentioned LPG till i did, just raising another point to keep this ford v holden feud going. and as for the toyotas, someone raised that there being more falcon taxis means they are better, so by that logic prius' and hybrid camrys are also better. and regarding the opel, did holden base their cars off opel or was it vice versa
@defiant18 I said it was N/A not standard. Had a cam and headwork. and Iv spent just 3grand on my xr6turbo. that red clubby has spent over 15k in mods and i still ruin him. stock for stock my car will beat a hsv GTS down the quarter. tune it and ur in the 12's which I would like to see a gts do with just a tune. You cant get away from the fact the the 4L has so much more value for money. The turbo kit on my white EF was just 2.5grand. Head porting with cam was 1300. car was 3300.
If you went by tyre noise.. the Ford was being pushed harder than the holden, so it seemed a bit biast lol.. Also there are more Mitsubishi taxi's than Fords ;D lol
Wow it was just announced that GM may close it Holden plants in Australia,. The South Australian premier has rushed off to the states to try & secure 2500 jobs. Ford on the other hand just announced a shit load of money to secure Falcon for 4 more yrs.
buy a 240T bare head then start building a block a nispro got 1000hp out of a stock head with extensively modified cams,they used to do a kit for 35K but you have to build it yourself
The falcon defiantly is better, but to be fair though they didnt use the better holden 195 kw V6 which should be standard on all models.(excluding v8 models)
Neither has ever had a front wheel drive version. Both the Commodore and Falcon, since their very first model, have been rear drivers. Holden and Ford have both built smaller cars that were front wheel drive, but their full sized sedans, nobody in Australia would accept them as front wheel drive cars
@aussieosbourne Ford BA XR6 and Holden VY S Series II (must be Series II). If both have leather, driving lights, tow bars and other optional goodies already fitted then even better. Don't know about the Fairmont but Ford discontinued it so not sure how good can that be. Holden VZ Acclaim is the base model above the Executive model. The old 3.6L Alloytec engine is a thing to avoid...unlike the SIDI ones, those 3.6L engines are not even as reliable as the old EcoTec 3.8L in the VY S.
@shozzy6996 Who mentioned LPG? Or taxis? In New Zealand the police cars are all Holdens because they are Cheap- And what do toyotas have to do with anything? If you look at the design history commodores from the VB through are opel/ vaxhaull origin. Park a commodore next to an opel Senator.. U get my drift.
I would say go to any used car yard that has one and test drive it. I know that compared to most of its American relatives, the G8, by virtue of being a Holden underneath, handles nothing like it. Fling one into a 90 degree turn, and they refuse to let go unless it's a very slippery road
I like the bigger car but they're pricing themselves out of existence. A 4 cylinder from Japan or Korea is in the teens, around $15k or so. A Ford or Holden with 2 extra cylinders is twice the price and the big bangers with 8 pots, you're look at over $50k...the lower price will always win almost every time.
Although both Holden and Ford in Australia have been profitable for over 20 years. Both had financial problems in the late 80s, but both, when allowed to do their own thing can turn out world class cars.
@TheXela79 Yeah im not to sure about that ay... but it would be intersting to see a comparison the new FG falcon with the zf 6 speed option is pretty quick and it does do wonders for its fuel econimy.. it does have a 5 star ancap saftey rating too... it would be interesting to compair the two in a test like this video...
Trouble is, Ford USA have no imagination. They can't allow anything Australian made to compete on the US market. Holden were allowed to export their Caprice as a police cruiser because they wanted a rear drive competitor to the Interceptor and Taurus AWD. I'm a Holden fan, but it would be cool to see Australian Falcons go international.
Well, from my point of view, export, haha. Isn't the Commodore on the same platform as the Camaro? And, "Australia has become the place to find the American muscle sedan" and these cars "could save Ford now, if they were for sale in North America." If the Falcon been for sale in North America, it would likely replace the Crown Victoria in the full-size, rear wheel drive market." Bring your Falcons here, and uh.. well.. give you a taurus, an explorer,a chevy aveo,a dodgey Caravan, and a patriot
True but unfortunately they don't and most likely wont as it will cost them more to produce then have to put a high price tag on it. Holden don't want that. They want an affordable car. I mean if you want balls you would get an XR6 turbo or an FPV or HSV.
Pity Australians ignored or couldn't afford a new Falcon or Holden. I have my Falcon FG (Second hand and in good nick for a GOOD price in 2011.) and the "Barra" is still going strong, especially against those V6 'oldens.😉
***** I don't know how or why I'm so interested in Australian cars, or even concerned with the Australian economy, since I'm not from Australia, nor do I live in Australia.
Sadly, it's not just Australia who's having their products made elsewhere. It's also happening here in North America, particularly in the USA, where I'm from. :(
***** Is it? Not only does the car have to be built in Australia, but it should also be built using genuine Australian materials, by Australian workers. Is it?
If could buy the AUS Falcon here in the USA with the 420hp Coyote 5.0 V8 and 6R80 trans you can bet I would have one i the driveway instead of my 2011 Mustang GT :I
Thank you !!!! Finally I'm not the only one yelling about this buy Australian buy a falcon buy a commodore and burn a aurion it's the Australian way!!!!
I agree. Buy a Holden or ford. I think both cars are great. The only reason people get so uptight about this is because they are the only 2 car manufacturers who still make decent sized powerful cars and are Australian. Go Holden & Ford!
Really, I would blame GM for the poorer quality cars that are coming out badged as Holden's of late. What I think needs to be done is: Holden make their OWN cars (they can be made in factories around the world, but the bulk should be made in Australia), which, when exported, should be badged as Holden's, they should have their own car designs, make their own engines as well as importing some from American cars, and start importing some American cars to sell in Australia.
@BENDOON23 Funny u say that cause my old man use to drive a taxi and he drove 2 fords but after doing 250,000km on each cause the engines had to be rebuilt he went to holden and got 3times that 750,000 so as for your statement on reliability i dotnt think so there crap always have been crap and always will be crap
Since the 1960s, Americans have had it hammered into them that front wheel drive is superior. Australian cars are designed to handle the abuse of local conditions, and as many European cars went front wheel drive early, and broke down a lot, the locals distrusted it. Australians are often pulling large caravans (trailers) instead of driving mobile homes, and front wheel drive is often useless for that purpose
Part 2..potentially ending the great Falcon!! Same goes for all other Ford vechiles outside the states. GMC can not dictate to GMH or Opel or anyone else
Well all I can say is my BA Fairlane has 653,000 K's on the clock and she's still going strong! Good motors!
Cant say the same about the alloytec
8:47. You know. He have a point
"And for that, we needed some cones…"
sadly the commodore has now become a fwd piece of poo
And the Falcon was replaced by the "fwd piece of poo" Mondeo.
@@CynicalBastard511 no it wasn't, the mondeo has nothing to do with the falcon..they killed the Falcon with dignity, unlike the commodore.
JELH get ya facts right the mondeo has been around since the early 90s and they are incredibly reliable vehicles
You ever driven one? It shits all over anything that was produced in Australia.
@@aaronbalkwill2832 how it’s a fwd piece of shit the falcons are much better
My BA falcon has 500,000 K's on it and it still pulls like it's brand new, truly amazing engines
Would love to know how many ks it’s got now😂
Watching the ending of the vid had me almost emotional… legendary aussie vehicles especially Falcon👀😂
This was back in 1997, when the Pontiac Grand Prix had a version of the V6 that powered the Commodore. Despite having an advantage of about 15 horsepower, it was resoundingly thrashed by its Australian cousin
I miss Karratha. Bought my FG Falcon XR6 Turbo with the Luxury pack and has 290,000 k's on it. Just got the interior detailed and looks like new again!
true mate, but the SV6 is honestly a totally different animal, esp with 6 speed manual. Honestly my SV6 man goes super hard, and im in the cops so i drive both sixes. Both top Aussie pride
Little do people know- that is actually a safety feature on the VE commodores when the Traction Control System is enabled. It stops damage happening to the gearbox as the car is temporarily rolling back while in drive (obviously being a police car it is an auto- autos can stall to!) Turn the TCS off and it won't stall.
The memory of that "cod faced" thing that was briefly imported in the mid 90s that wore Taurus badges is still fresh in the minds of Australian motorists. It had a face only a mother could love. The modern Taurus is definitely an improvement, but the issue is not just that some are only front wheel drive, but the fact that most people will be pissed off if it replaces the Falcon. How would you feel if Ford USA suddenly replaced the Mustang with a Camry clone?
@2crazyalex No The Holden Six's are made here, only the HSV V8's are Chevs. Ford Six's are made here too, FPV V8's are also from the States.
Inline beats V any day!
Or does it?
The power u can pull out of Holden V6 made engines is just bloody overwhelming... they give the Corvette engines a run for their money
SEFTO Inlines are better but Vs are a bit more fuel efficient
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto You seen stock FG barras? They do big numbers with basic mods.
@@jayharburn646 have you seen basic mods on a VT L67?
They blow away the brand new Cayman GT4
@@FiendishlyDelightedSefto you guys are taking the piss right. The holden v6s have always been a joke of an engine overshadowed by the barra in performance and anihilated in the reliability aspect. Nobody has ever taken a holden v6 seriously.
Every weed smoker needs a couple of cones
@woodpecker092
Frord Australia have not dropped Ute or V8.
Thet still make utes & they're gearing up to convert to the new OHC Coyote 5.0 litre V8.
5.4 litre V8's are still available.
9:11 Sooooooooo 2018 "Commodore"? And the non existing Falcon
Sugar Bombs I don't consider the 2018 commodore a commodore. Reasons people buy aussie cars:
Large car,
Optional V8,
RWD,
Made in Australia.
Reliable
The new commodore doesn't have any of them, except maybe reliability, but in that case, camrys exist.
In my opinion.
@kiwipilot84 Holden didnt release a pov pack with LPG as an option from the factory, where as the falcon apparently did.. Also in saying that falcons are better than commodores because there are more falcon cabs, does that mean that the prius and the hybrid camry is better than a falcon, 'cause thats what you see mainly in brisbane now. And which commodore is based on an opel?
@paspax In June 2010, new emissions regualtions introduced meant that the iconic V8 engine had to be discontinued. Ford phased this out quietly; motoring journals and magazines did not even report on it. As of now, Ford offers no V8 on any of its model lines. However, at the time the V8 was phased out, Ford's performance subsidiary, FPV, introduced a Ford America sourced V8, the 5.0 litre coyote (as used in the Mustang)....From Wiki.
What? i think you may be a little confused mate they used both base model Ford (Falcon xt) and Holden (Omega) in this test... The video shows it from about 0:30
LOL what year model XR6? Ive crashed an ED and found it held up way better then a Holden. I went 60KPH + side ways into a powerpole.
@ParalyzedNight by what, .1 of a second on the quarter mile? Pity the new fpvs were made after the hsv's, let's see what happens when the VF comes out in 2012, in reply to the fpv's? stroked 6L to a 6.8 stock in the ss, sv6-tt has been rumored? Oh and the ve walkinshaw already beats both of the gt 335 and f6. Although it's a performance package it's still part of holden/hsv.
same as when someone spends $150,000 for an M3 which is a tarted up 320i...
both performance cars are based on the base model archetecture and chassis...
the w427 is a commodore with a v8 7.0L engine in it, and the M3 is a 320i with a v8 4.0L engine..
True there. I'm a Holden lad and always have been. After seeing this however I would say the Ford would not be too bad a car to be seen in ;)
their idea was to go for the baseline. but if they were to go the 6 cyl performance class it would be SV6 vs XR6T and the turbo mill would outclass the 3.6 sidi in all aspects. in my oppinion though the SV6 would be a close match to the base falcon, maybe a slight advantage as the improved power will help close the gap created by the i6 torque characteristics
The most durable and reliable car is not just a Ford it's an AU, BA or BF Wagon or Utility.
AU had the best durability rating in terms of the rear suspension. It was the perfect outer burbs country car in that respect still going strong with many owners. But ugly duckling sure it was!
The BF Ghias stood out to me the most, being the incredibly elegant single owner or family outing car.
@richardpalinkas Guess again. The "other" engine at the time only had 10Nm more torque than the Omega. It was still 51Nm down on the Ford. It came with a 5speed which helped, but it wasn't as balsy. It did handle better than the Omega, but the XR6 also handled better than the XT.
There is a reason that engine has been dumped after only 5 years.
the 3.2 or 3.9L snotbox? the SVO was the only decent one and an EB XR6 would prob eat it lol
going Backwards while in drive, To prevent damage or some crap, all autos will do if you spin them hard enough
Do Ford and Holden make them look similar on purpose? The last generations resembled each other too.
its not a xr6 its just the entry falcon, they are both the most basic car each has to offer.
the ford straight six is an awesome engine
Agreed with a lot of what you said, but the sales are certainly not evenly matched. The Commodore has out sold the Falcon for all bar 2 or 3 of the past 20 years, sometimes by a margin of almost 2 to 1 (during the AU years).
That's a bit of a broad stroke, dont ya think?
My 68 yr old dad owns a HSV and I drive an F6 myself.
Why can't we have the Ford Falcon and Chevrolet Caprice (US Holden Commodore re-badge) for sale in the US? Now that the Crown Victoria is gone, there are no more rear wheel drive Ford sedans in North America. I'm sure that a slightly restyled Lincoln version of the Falcon would compete well with the Cadillac CTS, and other German and Japanese mid-size luxury sports sedans. GM would benefit from a new RWD Chevrolet Caprice too since the near identical Pontiac G8 disappeared in 2009.
someone pulled out infront of me....now crashing a bike at 80......och thats gotta hurt....what injuries did u do to yourself and what sort of bike?
The car company's would probably be begging top gear to advertises the mighty great machines of Australia, I mean it's a brilliant way of getting the message out about buying these high quality cars, it's like at the end of the day all ford and Holden fans have in common is they want these cars to be supported so they don't get to lose their passion, experimenting new generations of goodness that could have been?
@RockSolitude Also, some of Holden's cars look like they have been sourced from Daewoo or other Asian manufacturers (such as the Epica, Cruze and regular Barina's)
@lordh460 sry there is no Japanese engine in a commodore, the 190 alloytec is made in australia.
Time to get elegant and theatrical.. for that we needed some cones..
Should they really be driving under the influence??
ford took money as well. but instead of taking it through the government they took a bunch of loans from different banks to stay afloat. either way, they both paid back their debt. both ahead of schedule. some GM stock is held by the US treasury dept. and some Ford stock is held by banks. its the same sort of thing.
@morganroate that "front wheel drive pieces of POO like the Ford Taurus" line was ace. Loved it!
Sadly, it kinda aged well unfortunately.
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS its actually ford that will soon stop making the falcon, not the holden.
@kiwipilot84 nobody mentioned LPG till i did, just raising another point to keep this ford v holden feud going. and as for the toyotas, someone raised that there being more falcon taxis means they are better, so by that logic prius' and hybrid camrys are also better. and regarding the opel, did holden base their cars off opel or was it vice versa
how about they put a car like a clubsport or a hsv up against a fpv and see what the results are
4:07 me too
@defiant18 I said it was N/A not standard. Had a cam and headwork. and Iv spent just 3grand on my xr6turbo. that red clubby has spent over 15k in mods and i still ruin him. stock for stock my car will beat a hsv GTS down the quarter. tune it and ur in the 12's which I would like to see a gts do with just a tune. You cant get away from the fact the the 4L has so much more value for money. The turbo kit on my white EF was just 2.5grand. Head porting with cam was 1300. car was 3300.
the W427 is not a holden factory car it is made by walkinshaw so that realy means nothing put the new R8 up against the new GT-P and see who wins.
If you went by tyre noise.. the Ford was being pushed harder than the holden, so it seemed a bit biast lol..
Also there are more Mitsubishi taxi's than Fords ;D lol
Wow it was just announced that GM may close it Holden plants in Australia,. The South Australian premier has rushed off to the states to try & secure 2500 jobs. Ford on the other hand just announced a shit load of money to secure Falcon for 4 more yrs.
I love my Falcon :) the engine is great
i guess only time will tell which one is more reliable
@DoRiToSxFTWx um a omega is a normal commodore, it replaced the executive.
buy a 240T bare head then start building a block a nispro got 1000hp out of a stock head with extensively modified cams,they used to do a kit for 35K but you have to build it yourself
The falcon defiantly is better, but to be fair though they didnt use the better holden 195 kw V6 which should be standard on all models.(excluding v8 models)
So that 3.6 was the caddie engine...and it got beat by the ford 4.0? Did that just happen?
Neither has ever had a front wheel drive version. Both the Commodore and Falcon, since their very first model, have been rear drivers. Holden and Ford have both built smaller cars that were front wheel drive, but their full sized sedans, nobody in Australia would accept them as front wheel drive cars
@aussieosbourne Ford BA XR6 and Holden VY S Series II (must be Series II). If both have leather, driving lights, tow bars and other optional goodies already fitted then even better. Don't know about the Fairmont but Ford discontinued it so not sure how good can that be. Holden VZ Acclaim is the base model above the Executive model. The old 3.6L Alloytec engine is a thing to avoid...unlike the SIDI ones, those 3.6L engines are not even as reliable as the old EcoTec 3.8L in the VY S.
@shozzy6996 Who mentioned LPG? Or taxis? In New Zealand the police cars are all Holdens because they are Cheap- And what do toyotas have to do with anything? If you look at the design history commodores from the VB through are opel/ vaxhaull origin. Park a commodore next to an opel Senator.. U get my drift.
please help: what is the thebest value out of these cars
ford ba fairmont
ford ba xr6
holden vy s
holden vz acclaim
I would say go to any used car yard that has one and test drive it. I know that compared to most of its American relatives, the G8, by virtue of being a Holden underneath, handles nothing like it. Fling one into a 90 degree turn, and they refuse to let go unless it's a very slippery road
I like the bigger car but they're pricing themselves out of existence. A 4 cylinder from Japan or Korea is in the teens, around $15k or so. A Ford or Holden with 2 extra cylinders is twice the price and the big bangers with 8 pots, you're look at over $50k...the lower price will always win almost every time.
@Auscruffy they already had done that at that point but they drew (f6 vs clubsport they did)
Well lets talk about now what cars are comin out now
LOL "it was time to get elegant and theatrical, and for that we need some CONES" hahaha
Btw THE LSA IN THE VF will kick the RS6's ass
what you havnt even replaced a water pump or anything like that?
Although both Holden and Ford in Australia have been profitable for over 20 years. Both had financial problems in the late 80s, but both, when allowed to do their own thing can turn out world class cars.
its not really a fair test the falcon is a 2009/2010 and the omega hasnt changed since it was released in 2007 so obviously the ford is mord modern
9:27 if only more people watched this
seriously.. how did he stall an auto? especially coz it's brand new??
..... and now in 2017, he predicted correctly, the Fwd mondeo is now the falcon and the commodore is going fwd/awd.
@TheXela79 Yeah im not to sure about that ay... but it would be intersting to see a comparison the new FG falcon with the zf 6 speed option is pretty quick and it does do wonders for its fuel econimy.. it does have a 5 star ancap saftey rating too... it would be interesting to compair the two in a test like this video...
Put the new Sidi engine against the newest ford and watch what happens!
Barra still just as fast and a whole lot better towing
neither are front wheel drive :S both are rear wheel drive
Trouble is, Ford USA have no imagination. They can't allow anything Australian made to compete on the US market. Holden were allowed to export their Caprice as a police cruiser because they wanted a rear drive competitor to the Interceptor and Taurus AWD. I'm a Holden fan, but it would be cool to see Australian Falcons go international.
Well, from my point of view, export, haha. Isn't the Commodore on the same platform as the Camaro? And,
"Australia has become the place to find the American muscle sedan" and these cars "could save Ford now, if they were for sale in North America." If the Falcon been for sale in North America, it would likely replace the Crown Victoria in the full-size, rear wheel drive market." Bring your Falcons here, and uh.. well.. give you a taurus, an explorer,a chevy aveo,a dodgey Caravan, and a patriot
True but unfortunately they don't and most likely wont as it will cost them more to produce then have to put a high price tag on it. Holden don't want that. They want an affordable car.
I mean if you want balls you would get an XR6 turbo or an FPV or HSV.
GM is actually GENERAL MOTORS
Pity Australians ignored or couldn't afford a new Falcon or Holden. I have my Falcon FG (Second hand and in good nick for a GOOD price in 2011.) and the "Barra" is still going strong, especially against those V6 'oldens.😉
If only Australian cars were still built *in* Australia.
***** I don't know how or why I'm so interested in Australian cars, or even concerned with the Australian economy, since I'm not from Australia, nor do I live in Australia.
Sadly, it's not just Australia who's having their products made elsewhere. It's also happening here in North America, particularly in the USA, where I'm from. :(
***** I agree. That's *so* wrong.
***** Is it? Not only does the car have to be built in Australia, but it should also be built using genuine Australian materials, by Australian workers. Is it?
Unfortunately, I'm not from Australia. I don't know how things work in Australia.
these are the base model holden/fords. Put an ss-v against an xr8 and watch the ss-v win. Although Xr6 turbo's a mean competitor.
Twix Wrong. The 5th butthurt fanboy
@billybodybuilder um no holden v6 are 100% american designed and made,
If could buy the AUS Falcon here in the USA with the 420hp Coyote 5.0 V8 and 6R80 trans you can bet I would have one i the driveway instead of my 2011 Mustang GT :I
yea same.. dads ea l6 has done 1.4 mill ks no recon at all!
Sorry the Rivalry isnt Holden v. Ford its Chevrolet v. Ford.
I/e Camaro vs Stang and so on.
@EdinburghTiger This is an aussie version of the show
Top Gear Australia is crap compared with the English version.
No, Aussies will alwasy be better
how would the SIDI Omega go against this?
bring back the ford falcon❤
Thank you !!!! Finally I'm not the only one yelling about this buy Australian buy a falcon buy a commodore and burn a aurion it's the Australian way!!!!
thanks for stating the obvius if u work with a fleet of these like i do in car rental.....you would def pick the ford anyday.
can't stall an auto? my missus 121 seems to achieve it.
I agree. Buy a Holden or ford. I think both cars are great. The only reason people get so uptight about this is because they are the only 2 car manufacturers who still make decent sized powerful cars and are Australian.
Go Holden & Ford!
should rename this to fitth gear instead. the tests are the same as the ones on fifth gear
Really, I would blame GM for the poorer quality cars that are coming out badged as Holden's of late. What I think needs to be done is: Holden make their OWN cars (they can be made in factories around the world, but the bulk should be made in Australia), which, when exported, should be badged as Holden's, they should have their own car designs, make their own engines as well as importing some from American cars, and start importing some American cars to sell in Australia.
@slimshady7559 ah.....they are 100 percent rear wheel drive....I
@BENDOON23
Funny u say that cause my old man use to drive a taxi and he drove 2 fords but after doing 250,000km on each cause the engines had to be rebuilt he went to holden and got 3times that 750,000 so as for your statement on reliability i dotnt think so there crap always have been crap and always will be crap
Since the 1960s, Americans have had it hammered into them that front wheel drive is superior. Australian cars are designed to handle the abuse of local conditions, and as many European cars went front wheel drive early, and broke down a lot, the locals distrusted it. Australians are often pulling large caravans (trailers) instead of driving mobile homes, and front wheel drive is often useless for that purpose
Part 2..potentially ending the great Falcon!! Same goes for all other Ford vechiles outside the states. GMC can not dictate to GMH or Opel or anyone else
My falcon has 1,000,000 that's right 1 million and it runs like it's brand new I would like to see a Holden do that much . Everything original