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I hope someone reads this - it's my hope that someone actually tells me that I am being too cynical - although something tells me I am not. But I would like to know your view on this, if I got things right or wrong, partly right or partly wrong, etc. I believe in everything you talked about in your video - but I believe there is an over-arching, darker, more sinister purpose to it. Sorry for all the symbols, but I want to make sure that my message doesn't fall prey to the You Tube po!itical po!ice. 1. The !eft-!eaning $ocialist @genda - unlike the r!ght-!eaning @genda - seeks to c0ntrol people by way of debilitating entit!ement programs, disarming us, and by making people believe in their tri!!ion do!!ar programs. Their tri!!ion-do!!ar programs - paid for with our m0ney - serve only to make them more powerful. $ocialist !de0logy, by its very nature, has a global intent - hence $ocialism and globali$m are one and the same. 2. $ocialists can’t c0ntrol people as long as the people continue to be!ieve in a h!gher being - a perfect infa!!ible entity which in Western cultures has always been the Jude0-Chri$tian G0d. People of fa!th know that humans - including the people who run our g0vernments - are fa!!ible. People who believe in G0d will always present a threat to the $ocialists. They can rise up against them if they don’t agree with their p0litical p!atform - think of the reaction from the r!ght to !ate-term ab0rtion - for one. Throughout history, it was not only the $ocialists who tried to find ways to stop c!vilian !nsurrections against the g0vernment, it was also the fa$cists and the nazi$. How did they all try to solve this issue? Turn people away from G0d. 3. Throughout history the fa$cists, nazi$ and the $ocialists always failed because they did not know how to effectively turn people away from G0d. Fa!th, in the end, was always stronger. But in these last 50 years, the $ocialist/globali$t @genda has learned that in order to control people you need to completely and literally eradicate rel!gion and fa!th and to succeed in this they had to increasingly normalize pr0gressive ide0l0gy. Pr0gressive !deology is based on ‘$cience’ - to the pr0gressives, we are not made in the image of G0d, we are made in the !mage of man and $cience. That’s just what the $ocialists need in order to succeed. 4. The $ocialists have nearly won in their quest to eradicate Jude0-Chr!stian values in Western culture. Think of how many millions of people (in Eur0pe and in the Amer!ca$) have left their fa!th (and hence their m0ral compass) and how many millions not only left their fa!th, but embraced pr0gressive ideology. The millions of people who embrace this ideol0gy don’t actually believe it to be just - they have just been !nd0ctrinated to believe it is just. 5. Do you believe there is a way to stop this progression? I am hoping someone says . . . yes.
@@cyncynn1357 Yeah, and we saw that when it was time to mask up to help protect communities and our fellow citizens. They said "fuck you, I care about myself".
I was genuinely trying to learn the difference between these ideologies fairly and as a viewer I am upset that this was shared with so much bias. It's ok to share your opinion but please label your video as opinionated content rather than as educational so I don't waste my time.
@Ello I'm in my early 30s and I've become a progressivist. This video is largely inaccurate. That or maybe my idea of progressivism is different from Democrats. I have quite a few reasons for being Progressive. At least my version of it.
@Ello I'm all for diversity! I believe it takes all types to make the earth spin. I don't want us all to be equal in the sense of customs and culture. I just don't think those differences should insight war. I'm not a religious person and I do believe in science. I believe in some form of higher power but I won't even try to define it. I don't understand religion. When I say I'm progressive, I mean it in a sense of evolving. Change is the only constant in the universe. Our species as a whole can't and won't stay the same but some people are afraid of change and thus dismiss it out of hand. To me, being progressive means allowing things to change and trying things that haven't been done before. We can't treat economics the way we did in the 20st century because our economy and way of life aren't the same. That's just one example.
@@denverlilly3669 I do not identify with any political belief system. However, I wanted to say something in return for the conservatives on capitalism in regards to your comment, if that’s alright? Capitalism creates an opportunity for lower income people to create small businesses and create a healthier lifestyle by giving them better options to chose things like their own healthcare packages and/or less political regulations on who or when they can start a small business. Thus giving the average American citizen better opportunities to do something new* and fresh* and exciting*. Thus, creating “change”. In my unbiased opinion, all conservatives are not totally “against change”. Instead, I would like to think that conservatives would like the change to be in the hands of the “average” working class American tax payer and not in the hands of multimillion dollar corporations or the select few that get “chosen” to be the leading politicians in our country. Either way, if we wish to abolish the hate in our great nation during these troubling times.... We should be able to agree to disagree with certain beliefs and find commonalities amongst our communities and nations. There should be no boarders on how open our minds can be.✌️
@Slavic Soldier Do you know what bias actually means? This website claims to report on America's "biggest issues," which can't be done properly if they're largely favorable to one side rather than the other, regardless if they're liberal or conservative.
capote5000 this video is definitely accurate on what progressivism is. It’s showing the ugly truth that underlies all that shiny social justice bull shit that naive progressivism actually buy into.
Here’s my best unbiased take at the difference: Conservatives seek to protect what they see as the American tradition. They have a deep rooted distrust of centralized power, and tend to trust individuals to solve problems more than collective institutions. This is manifested in a preference for the nuclear family, private enterprise and charity. When government is needed, Conservatives want power decentralized to the local level, where constituents have greater influence over their direct decision makers. Progressivism emerged as an ideology in the early 1900’s as a counterweight to private powers, notably the “robber barons” such as Rockefeller and Carnegie. American progressivism took root after the Civil War ended the power of state secession, and solidified the US as a single nation instead of a loose collection of individual states. This empowerment of national identity necessitated a stronger, central federal government. This new version of the American federal apparatus paved the way for a more active governing role. Now instead of merely protecting the negative rights of citizens, such as the right from suppression of speech and assembly, this new government could enforce positive rights, such as the right to affordable housing and social security. Ultimately, Conservatives and Progressives differ on how they view the role of government. Progressives are far more willing to cede power to the national powers to solve problems they see as too complex for individual initiative. Conservatives tend to be more optimistic about individual prowess, and more distrusting of potential tyranny by the state or unintended consequences of bad policy making by central experts. The side you take largely depends on your view of human nature, and whether certain people can be trusted to wield omnipotent power to solve our biggest issues.
Who’s the first progressive. What writings would be the first progressive literature? Today I’m an independent. But, I was a Democrat for 24 years. People use this term so loosely. I’ve seen socialist, liberals, communist all say... I’m a progressive. Hell Hitler, Mussolini said they were progressive. Is there a definitive work of progressivism.
@@jopalo31675 Sorry I’m a bit unfamiliar on who the original thought leaders were. My take might be a bit off as I inherited it from George Will (Conservative thinker), but his take seems congruent with thoughts I’ve heard from progressives.
@@Foxygrandpa2131 :Thank You. I was trying to get a taste from an actual progressive thinker of the early period of progressivism. I’m a libertarian, but I’m Fiscally conservative. I’m really trying to understand the progressive mind. As if that’s possible.
@@Foxygrandpa2131 : most people find themselves in the center. I was a registered Democrat for 24 years. I was a traditional liberal like JFK. I’m a veteran, pro-labor, not a socialist but, socially aware. There are not very many of us around. I left the LEFT; because I did not feel at home there anymore. My issue with the right is simple. They don’t stick together. The children don’t know what conservatism is. Civics is long gone. My issue with Obama(Barry Sotoro), is he’s a chameleon.
@Matcha I suppose it's the same way the left thinks of Republicans as being racist, fascist, homophobic, intolerant, etc.... A basket of deplorables, if you will.
@rawrXshrimp Could always care about both, should the cultural things make economics take a back seat? No, but I wouldn't ignore propping it up either, so long as corporate doesnt lead it.
You know some of us are watching this video because we actually want to know the difference between the two. This lady is obviously a conservative And is just attacking progressives. I still don’t know the difference but this made me think less of conservatives
@@Sara-gl8ue What she described as "progressive" isn't even progressive. It's just this nonsense that organizations like Antifa spew. There's a barrier (and a difference) between aggressive leftists and progressive lefties.
Trust me it could be a lot worse!!! Abortion,, Assisted Suicide,,, Legalized prostitution,,, Redefining definitions,,, lowering voting age,, Smearing Christianity while lifting a banner to Islam!! Attacking the framers!!! Reweaving history! ECT......On & on
This video saying let Texas be Texas and Vermont be Vermont is pretty fucking funny considering the GOP of Texas just tried to sue to have Pennsylvania's ballots disqualified.
This video is full of opinions and is false in every cases. The title doesn't match. It should have been named "*My* Biggest Issues: *(What I think are) Conservative People* vs. *(What I think are) Progressive People*" The video doesn't show what Conservatism and Progressivism is, rather it shows woman's personal opinions about view on Conservative people and her view about Progressive people.
what progressivism really stems from, is this basic idea: that people should not be limited in their ability to live a life of self-actualization based on the accident of who they were born to. It started with abolition of monarchy and nobility, then with the abolition of slavery, and now in this capitalist economy where there are those born to upper class families and those born into poverty who suffer much different life outcomes the focus is on eliminating these wealth disparities by providing those born into poverty with the same access to institutions and resources as those born into privilege. The goal of progressivism is to eliminate the monopolization of society’s resources by an owning and ruling class and to make sure that the wealth of the nation and of the world serves to benefit and improve the quality of life of all people. Conservatives would prefer to see the world in terms of a competition between individuals in which the winner takes all.
So basically: 1. Undependable charities are greater than guaranteed welfare. 2. Seeking to understand some of this country’s policy shortcomings in regards to minorities and women is not appropriate. 3. Making sure everyone is covered for any possible medical expense is too restrictive. 4. Progressives are opposed to voucher programs/charter schools, even though people like Bernie Sanders have openly supported them. 5. If some law a state passes is unconstitutional, it should remain in place because the people in those states supported it. 6. It’s really realistic for someone to just get up and move if they don’t like the policies of the state they live in. Especially if they’re like low income and they hate how their state refused to expand Medicaid, so now they’re being crushed with high out of pocket medical costs. Seems very logical to me. Conservatism for the win. Trump 2024! 🇺🇸
Yeah like that time when they wanted to take 85% of my income but then I politely and very kindly said no by voting for the right. -Mad Man- Bernie once said colleges will be free, foods will be free, health care and Medicare will be free. -everything is free- but then I told -the economic illiterate- him whatever keep dreaming.
@@jerryholbrook13 Yep. When it comes to economics, there's no clearer example of this than charitable giving. No coincidence that Republicans give exponentially more to charity than Democrats - and this is a proven fact via polling. The days of classical Liberals doing genuine, authentic apolitical charitable volunteer work ended decades ago. They'd rather sit behind the WALLS of their gated communities and dictate how and when we plebs should spend our money.
I was actually coming in here to learn a little bit of the good things each ideology has done and the important role of each ideology in the history of the united states. But...literally three seconds in after I heard the tone of voice, the lady, her age, her haircut, her body language, and the editing I knew it was going to be biased and sure enough 18 seconds later it was confimred to be a biased video. I got PragerU vibes immediately.
This is completely a false narrative. You can claim that this is your opinion only without any factual data to support it. But your assertions are completely opposite of the reality.
I watched this video with a limited knowledge of either party. I learned quickly that the video was sponsored by conservatives and heavily biased toward progressives. The title should read "reasons conservatives are better than progressives."
They are WORKING and have JOBS! Also, they are REPUBLICANS. Before even going out on a date, ask their political affiliation! Will save you time and money.
An important point to add is the significance of what many people in the early 20th century saw as fundamental to progressiveness, such as increasing government power and measures seen through institutions like the "welfare state" that are intended to provide greater assistance to society and increase social justice among our citizens. We must remember Thomas Hobbes' analyses of how citizens are willing to given up increasing levels of their freedom for security and protection (e.g. transfers, regulations, other assistance). Progressiveness as a socio-political philosophy openly challenges the principles of conservatism.
Came here to learn the exact wording of difference between Conservatism and Progressivism in US' context. Immediately realized something is strange in their explanation (I studied Politics for undergrad). Went to check who "The Heritage Foundation" are and oh well, their own website says that they are "A research and educational institution whose mission is to build and promote conservative public policies". Aha, I wasn't wrong when I sensed something was off.
I mean, the progressive side has flaws, but conservatives are not entirely individualist - when someone whom the church doesn't like expresses themselves, they are often subject to discrimination in their communities.
As a conservative communist (I'm basically a nazbol), I love to laugh at how conservatives and progressives get it wrong by supporting ideologies that are destructive to their alleged goals. As much as I despise neoliberals (progressives who support free-market corporate capitalism), at least their ideology is consistent.
Aight but in what world are neoliberals progressive? They aren't progressive, you're just a literal Nazbol. It's hard to not seem progressive, in comparison to you.
@@firetarrasque4667 Depends on what kind of neoliberal you mean. If you mean like Thatcher or Reagan, then yeah I agree, *not* progressive. But I mean the woke rainbow capitalists, the Clinton voters who called themselves "nasty women" in 2016.
*Conservatism:* We think that the status quo is good. We don't want to risk changing things for the worse. *Progressivism:* We are pretty sure that the current situation isn't good enough. Let's make it better. Hopefully, this isn't too biased.
There really isn't any comparison. No conservative President since Eisenhower has presided over a balanced budget. Contrast that with Democrats who have done it three times since then. I'm not sure how one can call themselves a "think tank" for any sort of policy initiatives they cannot demonstrate work. Conservative "supply side" economics, still a call to arms for many conservative policy idealists still ring out every term even though in the nearly 40 years since their implementation, they cannot point to any positive economic impacts. Contrast that with the progressive model, which created more than 50 years of economic growth in the mid 20th Century. Despite the intentional demonization of policy by those with alterior motives, or just those ignorant of 20th Century economic models and their impacts on the economy ie "Tax and Spend", which intelligent and intellectually honest people realize is propaganda at its worst, Progressive economic successes are largely unacknowladged by conservatives, and thus, their rigidity and lack of innovative curiosity forces them to miss opportunities to impact Progressive Economic policy and offer real improvements to its proven success. It should be noted for those who think "tax and spend" is accurate...it's a lie. The idea is not, nor has ever been the redistribution of wealth. Some current proposals by self-styled "progressives" actually DO bring this caricature to life, and they cannot succeed, because they lack insight, despite being offered by politicians who should know better. During the successful 50 years of progressive economic policy, we saw top marginal tax rates move between 70-94%. The latter was only during war time, which may explain why unimaginative conservatives think it is a government revenue program at a time they should be pumping everything into the business of war. That top marginal rate was rarely if ever paid. That's because it worked as designed. Conservatives have warned that our top marginal rate would collapse the economy if we were to move it any higher. If it were a revenue grab, as they think, they might actually be right. We don't know, because in the 50 years it was more than double, it had the desired effect of encouraging businesses to REINVEST their profits, rather than hoarding large sums of cash. This is the problem with money not being mostly concentrated among those who drive the engine of the economy - the middle class. So if wealthy people begin hoarding wealth, we warned, the econom y suffers a lack of liquidity. Money isn't moving around. It's not having the compounded effects of a true bottom-up economy. They said we were talking nonsense, that we didn't understand how it worked. Yet, look at the present (and I'll even exclude corona-era metrics from consideration as agesture of good faith. We have corporations, in the absence of policy which drives them to reinvest or be taxed at extraordinary rates, doing exactly what we warned. Most of these corporations making quasrterly "wait and see" comments are sitting on record amounts of cash. Completely liquid. And doing absolutely nothing. This very basic concept is probably the reason conservatives will never tell you, or will try to play a shell game with, the fact that the two largest returns for every government dollar spent are Unemployment, and Food Stamps - two programs they continuously assault with denial, even though it has been the case for a very long time. This shouldn't confuse them. No one is an advocate for fraud within the system. We all agree that we should attempt to make fraud and cheating as scarce and improbable as possible. But every dollar of those programs are returned to the economy. Now you may THINK that is artificial stimulus, but the dirty little secret is that, while actually not entirely untrue, it wouldn't be sustainable if it were abused and it isn't a preferable economic engine starter, the "artificial" impacts are only partially true for the first step. But once they spend those benefits, and they spend every dime of them, those have real and substantial impacts on an economy struggling to fire on all cylinders. The grocery store has increased sales, the sales drive employment, increased demand drives more shipments, more demand for produce and farm commodities, increased sales mean raises and higher wages, and more workers. It has profound, and granted I am oversimplifying a bit for the sake of digestion, but those rippling effects aren't our THEORY, just like Progressive Economic Theory has 50 years of data we can look back on and agree that they just so happen to correspond to the nation's most prosperous years (all citizens and economic groups considered) and the world's largest middle class, which conservative policy has notoriously decimated and blamed on the very same progressive policy growth we can show, and they cannot duplicate. If you think I'm full of crap...GREAT. Let that be the start of more questioning and fact checking from multiple sources. Weigh the data. Look at the claims. Look at the results. Are conservatives consistently misguided, or is their continuous spread of misinformation part of a plan hatched in the early 20th Century to undo the legacy of FDR and to invalidate every one of his many achievements, which...if they were actually intellectuals...they would capitalize on his success and point out (rightly, for once) that his ideas were heavily influenced by his cousin and a personal hero of his - Teddy Roosevelt, one of the founders of the Progressive Movement, and not hypocritically so at the time, a lifelong Republican. My grandfather was a real conservative. He would have been sickened by the "conservatives" of today, who despite caliming themselves to be the authorities on economics and business, only seem to be able to show success when they actually make policies that do exactly what they say the Democrats want to do - give money away. Except the citizen they waive the flag for and rile up with their vitriol are at the bottom of their concerns, as is any real progress in economic policy, evidenced by their more than 75 years of misinformation and denial and a complete failure to give any progressive initiative the credit it is long overdue.
I think that there is a distinction between hardship and killing someone. That actually must be renamed to pro-murder. Don't get me wrong, I am a liberal but don't think murder should be a conservative or progressive thing.
@@MassinissaIbrahimi-qv3dv That's fair, but it's not the only instance. I could mention the push against gay marriage, the push against transgender rights, the push against legalizing drugs, the demand for strict border controls. And I'm not saying that the Democrats are the real individualists or anything. I like my fucking guns. All I'm saying is that neither of the parties really cares about individual rights. There are no individualists in America, there's just a group of rich people in red against a group of rich people in blue who'll paint a rainbow onto their exploitation.
i do think that progressivism has taken an unfortunate direction, but ultimately progressivism is defined more by its goals than by the specific economic and social policies it uses. I think the ultimate progressive agenda is things like UBI, LVT, and replacing our voting systems to make democracy function better / removing the outsized influence of money from democratic process. Diversity quotas and censorship by corporations feels more like poorly thought out neoliberal bandaids to me.
HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Please make ALL your vids available on Y-T-. With SLOW 3rd-world internet, the other platforms you use frequently won't play without extensive interruptions! AND, putting ANY of your vids on Facebook, etc. is about like the Vatican routing its communications through Al-Jazeera.
00.25 Progressives ask what am I bothered by, what should the country do for me? If were sooo inwardly focused, then why the heck do we want to pay higher taxes?
Tk The moral superiority of conservatism over progressivism as explained to a six year old. They should call themselves the Irritage (with no) foundation.
You compared completely different ideas during each round which, example: Progressives get gender identity and Conservatives get healthcare and religion, that makes no sense when trying to compare the IDEAS and STANCES each political theory takes. That alone makes your "argument" invalid because you are presented invalid reasoning. Politics and facts have nothing to do with this being a bad video, a bad presentation does.
Nice graphics and facts, but it went by so quickly that I can't remember hardly anything that it said (and I'm a political geek!). It maybe would have been better to make it 6-minutes long, and slow it down and emphasize the broad differences more emphatically.
Under progressivism, one size fits all. No rewind, no changes. You'll just have to fall in line with the mediocre average as your progressive overlords deem correct by their standards. HRC is a self avowed early 20th century progressive. You children do not belong to you, they belong to the state. Like it? You had better, because you can't leave it.
As a conservative I value facts and objectivity and giving an honest presentation even of ideas i disagree with, and i assume good intentions even on the part of my adversaries. I regret to say this video is horrendously biased. This kind of puerile rhetoric doesn't serve us at all, except as a display of intellectual immaturity. It's basically the mirror image of sjw idiocy
Holy cow and this is the heritage foundation. I thought this was supposed to be a respectable institution. What a shipwreck. Now wonder we get a bad rep. With friends like these who needs enemies.
Conservativism wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't lead with the philosophy of bible. Separation of church and state. This video was opinion based and not factual.
What a dishonest representation of one’s opposition’s views. I thought the Heritage Foundation was a reputable voice for reason. Apparently I was wrong.
I love this video, but if we wish to attract people to the truth we need to be a little more subjective and a tad less biased. Just constructive criticism is all.
I think these are good points and I'm conservative in my beliefs but I think it's important to realize this is not straight down the middle. I don't think they were trying to make anyone believe different but I just hope ppl know that. Biggest problem to me is manifested in the Universities. When you have COLLEGE teaching with political favor, that's a dirty game right there. Being TAUGHT by professors and having assignments where you are automatically assumed to take a certain political side is such an amazing brainwashing group think MACHINE I don't think it can be understated and shouldn't be underestimated.
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I hope someone reads this - it's my hope that someone actually tells me that I am being too cynical - although something tells me I am not. But I would like to know your view on this, if I got things right or wrong, partly right or partly wrong, etc. I believe in everything you talked about in your video - but I believe there is an over-arching, darker, more sinister purpose to it. Sorry for all the symbols, but I want to make sure that my message doesn't fall prey to the You Tube po!itical po!ice.
1. The !eft-!eaning $ocialist @genda - unlike the r!ght-!eaning @genda - seeks to c0ntrol people by way of debilitating entit!ement programs, disarming us, and by making people believe in their tri!!ion do!!ar programs. Their tri!!ion-do!!ar programs - paid for with our m0ney - serve only to make them more powerful. $ocialist !de0logy, by its very nature, has a global intent - hence $ocialism and globali$m are one and the same.
2. $ocialists can’t c0ntrol people as long as the people continue to be!ieve in a h!gher being - a perfect infa!!ible entity which in Western cultures has always been the Jude0-Chri$tian G0d. People of fa!th know that humans - including the people who run our g0vernments - are fa!!ible. People who believe in G0d will always present a threat to the $ocialists. They can rise up against them if they don’t agree with their p0litical p!atform - think of the reaction from the r!ght to !ate-term ab0rtion - for one. Throughout history, it was not only the $ocialists who tried to find ways to stop c!vilian !nsurrections against the g0vernment, it was also the fa$cists and the nazi$. How did they all try to solve this issue? Turn people away from G0d.
3. Throughout history the fa$cists, nazi$ and the $ocialists always failed because they did not know how to effectively turn people away from G0d. Fa!th, in the end, was always stronger. But in these last 50 years, the $ocialist/globali$t @genda has learned that in order to control people you need to completely and literally eradicate rel!gion and fa!th and to succeed in this they had to increasingly normalize pr0gressive ide0l0gy. Pr0gressive !deology is based on ‘$cience’ - to the pr0gressives, we are not made in the image of G0d, we are made in the !mage of man and $cience. That’s just what the $ocialists need in order to succeed.
4. The $ocialists have nearly won in their quest to eradicate Jude0-Chr!stian values in Western culture. Think of how many millions of people (in Eur0pe and in the Amer!ca$) have left their fa!th (and hence their m0ral compass) and how many millions not only left their fa!th, but embraced pr0gressive ideology. The millions of people who embrace this ideol0gy don’t actually believe it to be just - they have just been !nd0ctrinated to believe it is just.
5. Do you believe there is a way to stop this progression? I am hoping someone says . . . yes.
Wow Progressives do not ask what is owed LOL and Conservatives have NEVER asked what can I do for my community or fellow citizens HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Your content is a bunch of horseshit. Purely nothing more than right-wing misinformation.
@@ElizaDolittle, Not too sure about cynical but you damn sure are pretentious.
@@cyncynn1357 Yeah, and we saw that when it was time to mask up to help protect communities and our fellow citizens. They said "fuck you, I care about myself".
I was genuinely trying to learn the difference between these ideologies fairly and as a viewer I am upset that this was shared with so much bias. It's ok to share your opinion but please label your video as opinionated content rather than as educational so I don't waste my time.
If u were to eliminate welfare the Democratic party would disappear. Prove me wrong.
@Ello I'm in my early 30s and I've become a progressivist. This video is largely inaccurate. That or maybe my idea of progressivism is different from Democrats. I have quite a few reasons for being Progressive. At least my version of it.
@Ello I'm all for diversity! I believe it takes all types to make the earth spin. I don't want us all to be equal in the sense of customs and culture. I just don't think those differences should insight war. I'm not a religious person and I do believe in science. I believe in some form of higher power but I won't even try to define it. I don't understand religion.
When I say I'm progressive, I mean it in a sense of evolving. Change is the only constant in the universe. Our species as a whole can't and won't stay the same but some people are afraid of change and thus dismiss it out of hand. To me, being progressive means allowing things to change and trying things that haven't been done before. We can't treat economics the way we did in the 20st century because our economy and way of life aren't the same.
That's just one example.
@@denverlilly3669
I do not identify with any political belief system. However, I wanted to say something in return for the conservatives on capitalism in regards to your comment, if that’s alright?
Capitalism creates an opportunity for lower income people to create small businesses and create a healthier lifestyle by giving them better options to chose things like their own healthcare packages and/or less political regulations on who or when they can start a small business. Thus giving the average American citizen better opportunities to do something new* and fresh* and exciting*.
Thus, creating “change”.
In my unbiased opinion, all conservatives are not totally “against change”. Instead, I would like to think that conservatives would like the change to be in the hands of the “average” working class American tax payer and not in the hands of multimillion dollar corporations or the select few that get “chosen” to be the leading politicians in our country.
Either way, if we wish to abolish the hate in our great nation during these troubling times.... We should be able to agree to disagree with certain beliefs and find commonalities amongst our communities and nations.
There should be no boarders on how open our minds can be.✌️
@@willp3823 It wouldn’t
I came here to actually learn what the difference was, and rite off the bat could tell how bias and untrue this was....darn
Indeed. It starts to be obvious the video is biased after about 1 minutes of listening
Downright offensive, right?!?
@Slavic Soldier Do you know what bias actually means? This website claims to report on America's "biggest issues," which can't be done properly if they're largely favorable to one side rather than the other, regardless if they're liberal or conservative.
capote5000 this video is definitely accurate on what progressivism is. It’s showing the ugly truth that underlies all that shiny social justice bull shit that naive progressivism actually buy into.
It’s true though..
Lmao is this a troll video? I was honestly looking for a video that explained what a progressive is
Same!!!
Yeah, that's kinda problem often when I search for it...
Same. Looks like some far right propaganda to me
This is a conservative propaganda piece. That is not hyperbole to say that.
This video is Propaganda
Here’s my best unbiased take at the difference:
Conservatives seek to protect what they see as the American tradition. They have a deep rooted distrust of centralized power, and tend to trust individuals to solve problems more than collective institutions. This is manifested in a preference for the nuclear family, private enterprise and charity. When government is needed, Conservatives want power decentralized to the local level, where constituents have greater influence over their direct decision makers.
Progressivism emerged as an ideology in the early 1900’s as a counterweight to private powers, notably the “robber barons” such as Rockefeller and Carnegie. American progressivism took root after the Civil War ended the power of state secession, and solidified the US as a single nation instead of a loose collection of individual states. This empowerment of national identity necessitated a stronger, central federal government. This new version of the American federal apparatus paved the way for a more active governing role. Now instead of merely protecting the negative rights of citizens, such as the right from suppression of speech and assembly, this new government could enforce positive rights, such as the right to affordable housing and social security.
Ultimately, Conservatives and Progressives differ on how they view the role of government. Progressives are far more willing to cede power to the national powers to solve problems they see as too complex for individual initiative. Conservatives tend to be more optimistic about individual prowess, and more distrusting of potential tyranny by the state or unintended consequences of bad policy making by central experts.
The side you take largely depends on your view of human nature, and whether certain people can be trusted to wield omnipotent power to solve our biggest issues.
Who’s the first progressive. What writings would be the first progressive literature? Today I’m an independent. But, I was a Democrat for 24 years. People use this term so loosely. I’ve seen socialist, liberals, communist all say... I’m a progressive. Hell Hitler, Mussolini said they were progressive. Is there a definitive work of progressivism.
@@jopalo31675 Sorry I’m a bit unfamiliar on who the original thought leaders were. My take might be a bit off as I inherited it from George Will (Conservative thinker), but his take seems congruent with thoughts I’ve heard from progressives.
@@Foxygrandpa2131 :Thank You. I was trying to get a taste from an actual progressive thinker of the early period of progressivism. I’m a libertarian, but I’m Fiscally conservative. I’m really trying to understand the progressive mind. As if that’s possible.
@@jopalo31675 read Obama’s Promised Land. I’m a Conservative, but his perspective really made me question my stance on a few issues
@@Foxygrandpa2131 : most people find themselves in the center. I was a registered Democrat for 24 years. I was a traditional liberal like JFK. I’m a veteran, pro-labor, not a socialist but, socially aware. There are not very many of us around. I left the LEFT; because I did not feel at home there anymore. My issue with the right is simple. They don’t stick together. The children don’t know what conservatism is. Civics is long gone. My issue with Obama(Barry Sotoro), is he’s a chameleon.
*gets home*
*sits on a couch*
me: What has offended me today?
@Matcha I suppose it's the same way the left thinks of Republicans as being racist, fascist, homophobic, intolerant, etc.... A basket of deplorables, if you will.
@rawrXshrimp Could always care about both, should the cultural things make economics take a back seat? No, but I wouldn't ignore propping it up either, so long as corporate doesnt lead it.
This video.
@rawrXshrimp You forgot conservatives.
You know some of us are watching this video because we actually want to know the difference between the two. This lady is obviously a conservative And is just attacking progressives. I still don’t know the difference but this made me think less of conservatives
Yeah it's a disgrace. Even though im a conservative i admit this is so biased it makes me cringe.
@JudgeWarlock01 actually its usually the other way around in our days
@JudgeWarlock01 na it's scientifically proven that a progressive can't do anything but attack people's opinions, like you are doing
While it IS biased, some of her points were true to some extent.
one day, Tim, you'll grow up. have faith.
I thought this was a serious and unbiased video when I chose it. What a joke.
It's the truth though.....
@@Sara-gl8ue What she described as "progressive" isn't even progressive. It's just this nonsense that organizations like Antifa spew. There's a barrier (and a difference) between aggressive leftists and progressive lefties.
What has offended you today?
@@jjared__19 I doubt that's even what "antifa" would say, this just right wing framing pretending to be unbiased. Hence the pushback
@@Sara-gl8ue That's your bias writing.
I’m not a progressive but Jesus this video is so biased
agrre to disagree
true lol
Agree. The title made it seems it was not biased, but it is by a lot.
Exactly my thought
Trust me it could be a lot worse!!! Abortion,, Assisted Suicide,,, Legalized prostitution,,, Redefining definitions,,, lowering voting age,, Smearing Christianity while lifting a banner to Islam!! Attacking the framers!!! Reweaving history! ECT......On & on
This has offended me today.
Oh, it’s from the heritage foundation. That explains the propaganda and misinformation
What did she say that was untrue?
This video seems kinda one sided.
THIS REPRESENTOR IS SO CONSERVATIVE !!
Obviously, it's from a conservative think tank.
Thanks for the completely unbiased view, without picking a side or displaying one as better than the other!
Adam R This is the most biased video I’ve seen on progressivism and conservatism
Sarcasm 100
So true😂
teacher sent me here for my final essay on what needs to be changed in america. glad to get a completely honest and unbiased opinion.....
This is definitely one of the videos on the internet that should be reported for disinformation.
Ah yes, just the fair and balanced video I was hoping for
Well, this was biased
Agree
This video saying let Texas be Texas and Vermont be Vermont is pretty fucking funny considering the GOP of Texas just tried to sue to have Pennsylvania's ballots disqualified.
Without specific examples and data I find this to be propaganda. Everything stated in this video can be said about both sides.
No it cannot lol.
@@nolanmendoza43 Actually did but you already admitted you biased
This is so right leaning I’m certain this shit has been tipped over.
I am a Progressive that's also a Texan with Conservative friends and we ALL think this video is shit in regards to explaining the differences.
“Conservative good, progressive bad”
This video is full of opinions and is false in every cases.
The title doesn't match. It should have been named "*My* Biggest Issues: *(What I think are) Conservative People* vs. *(What I think are) Progressive People*"
The video doesn't show what Conservatism and Progressivism is, rather it shows woman's personal opinions about view on Conservative people and her view about Progressive people.
what progressivism really stems from, is this basic idea: that people should not be limited in their ability to live a life of self-actualization based on the accident of who they were born to. It started with abolition of monarchy and nobility, then with the abolition of slavery, and now in this capitalist economy where there are those born to upper class families and those born into poverty who suffer much different life outcomes the focus is on eliminating these wealth disparities by providing those born into poverty with the same access to institutions and resources as those born into privilege. The goal of progressivism is to eliminate the monopolization of society’s resources by an owning and ruling class and to make sure that the wealth of the nation and of the world serves to benefit and improve the quality of life of all people. Conservatives would prefer to see the world in terms of a competition between individuals in which the winner takes all.
DarthPickley thats also a false definition
A boomer is talking and y'all expect the video to not be biased. Ha.
Oh man... I already know all I need to know after her definition of progressivism.
So basically:
1. Undependable charities are greater than guaranteed welfare.
2. Seeking to understand some of this country’s policy shortcomings in regards to minorities and women is not appropriate.
3. Making sure everyone is covered for any possible medical expense is too restrictive.
4. Progressives are opposed to voucher programs/charter schools, even though people like Bernie Sanders have openly supported them.
5. If some law a state passes is unconstitutional, it should remain in place because the people in those states supported it.
6. It’s really realistic for someone to just get up and move if they don’t like the policies of the state they live in. Especially if they’re like low income and they hate how their state refused to expand Medicaid, so now they’re being crushed with high out of pocket medical costs.
Seems very logical to me. Conservatism for the win. Trump 2024! 🇺🇸
XD hahahaa thanks sir for the good info
Progressives are very generous towards the poor; i.e. very generous WITH YOUR money.
Yeah like that time when they wanted to take 85% of my income but then I politely and very kindly said no by voting for the right.
-Mad Man- Bernie once said colleges will be free, foods will be free, health care and Medicare will be free. -everything is free- but then I told -the economic illiterate- him whatever keep dreaming.
@@liboningullie5272 Yep. Keep voting while you still can. We are getting to the point where elections are nothing more than an obstacle to the Left.
Exactly
@@jerryholbrook13 Yep. When it comes to economics, there's no clearer example of this than charitable giving. No coincidence that Republicans give exponentially more to charity than Democrats - and this is a proven fact via polling. The days of classical Liberals doing genuine, authentic apolitical charitable volunteer work ended decades ago. They'd rather sit behind the WALLS of their gated communities and dictate how and when we plebs should spend our money.
@@GTX1123 gated communities? as if your community isn't gated? That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Wow....the most unbiased video out there
I was actually coming in here to learn a little bit of the good things each ideology has done and the important role of each ideology in the history of the united states. But...literally three seconds in after I heard the tone of voice, the lady, her age, her haircut, her body language, and the editing I knew it was going to be biased and sure enough 18 seconds later it was confimred to be a biased video. I got PragerU vibes immediately.
This is completely a false narrative. You can claim that this is your opinion only without any factual data to support it. But your assertions are completely opposite of the reality.
I watched this video with a limited knowledge of either party. I learned quickly that the video was sponsored by conservatives and heavily biased toward progressives. The title should read "reasons conservatives are better than progressives."
heavily biased against progressives
where do they make women like this so i can marry one
They are WORKING and have JOBS! Also, they are REPUBLICANS. Before even going out on a date, ask their political affiliation! Will save you time and money.
Already married to one, sorry.
Oh my god what an insanely biased and unprofessional video. I was trying to find info for a school project but instead found this waste of 3 minutes.
Wow, such an unbiased explanation
Peddling biased bullshit under the guise of education. Very nice.
An important point to add is the significance of what many people in the early 20th century saw as fundamental to progressiveness, such as increasing government power and measures seen through institutions like the "welfare state" that are intended to provide greater assistance to society and increase social justice among our citizens. We must remember Thomas Hobbes' analyses of how citizens are willing to given up increasing levels of their freedom for security and protection (e.g. transfers, regulations, other assistance). Progressiveness as a socio-political philosophy openly challenges the principles of conservatism.
This is some amazing propaganda lmao
Yep
propaganda is when something is not true everything here is true
@@otarisuxiashvili22 - except it’s not and the fact that you think it is means you fundamentally misunderstand both conservatism *and* progressivism.
@@otarisuxiashvili22 - furthermore, propaganda is about bias, not necessarily whether something is factual or not.
To be honest this is actually laughably ridiculous.
So biased and pathetic really.
Came here to learn the exact wording of difference between Conservatism and Progressivism in US' context. Immediately realized something is strange in their explanation (I studied Politics for undergrad). Went to check who "The Heritage Foundation" are and oh well, their own website says that they are "A research and educational institution whose mission is to build and promote conservative public policies". Aha, I wasn't wrong when I sensed something was off.
I mean, the progressive side has flaws, but conservatives are not entirely individualist - when someone whom the church doesn't like expresses themselves, they are often subject to discrimination in their communities.
this is such a bad video. all wrong
@miguel miguel he's right. Everything they said about Progressives was a lie.
As a conservative communist (I'm basically a nazbol), I love to laugh at how conservatives and progressives get it wrong by supporting ideologies that are destructive to their alleged goals. As much as I despise neoliberals (progressives who support free-market corporate capitalism), at least their ideology is consistent.
Aight but in what world are neoliberals progressive?
They aren't progressive, you're just a literal Nazbol. It's hard to not seem progressive, in comparison to you.
@@firetarrasque4667 Depends on what kind of neoliberal you mean. If you mean like Thatcher or Reagan, then yeah I agree, *not* progressive. But I mean the woke rainbow capitalists, the Clinton voters who called themselves "nasty women" in 2016.
*Conservatism:* We think that the status quo is good. We don't want to risk changing things for the worse.
*Progressivism:* We are pretty sure that the current situation isn't good enough. Let's make it better.
Hopefully, this isn't too biased.
Ridiculously Based
Cleary biased & slanted towards conservative being the more intellegent choice.
@Qwax Payne yes it is close
Propaganda alert!
"What has offended me today?"
😂😂
Total BS.
I came to learn more, found out EXTREAM BIAST.
There really isn't any comparison. No conservative President since Eisenhower has presided over a balanced budget. Contrast that with Democrats who have done it three times since then.
I'm not sure how one can call themselves a "think tank" for any sort of policy initiatives they cannot demonstrate work. Conservative "supply side" economics, still a call to arms for many conservative policy idealists still ring out every term even though in the nearly 40 years since their implementation, they cannot point to any positive economic impacts.
Contrast that with the progressive model, which created more than 50 years of economic growth in the mid 20th Century. Despite the intentional demonization of policy by those with alterior motives, or just those ignorant of 20th Century economic models and their impacts on the economy ie "Tax and Spend", which intelligent and intellectually honest people realize is propaganda at its worst, Progressive economic successes are largely unacknowladged by conservatives, and thus, their rigidity and lack of innovative curiosity forces them to miss opportunities to impact Progressive Economic policy and offer real improvements to its proven success.
It should be noted for those who think "tax and spend" is accurate...it's a lie. The idea is not, nor has ever been the redistribution of wealth. Some current proposals by self-styled "progressives" actually DO bring this caricature to life, and they cannot succeed, because they lack insight, despite being offered by politicians who should know better. During the successful 50 years of progressive economic policy, we saw top marginal tax rates move between 70-94%. The latter was only during war time, which may explain why unimaginative conservatives think it is a government revenue program at a time they should be pumping everything into the business of war. That top marginal rate was rarely if ever paid. That's because it worked as designed. Conservatives have warned that our top marginal rate would collapse the economy if we were to move it any higher. If it were a revenue grab, as they think, they might actually be right. We don't know, because in the 50 years it was more than double, it had the desired effect of encouraging businesses to REINVEST their profits, rather than hoarding large sums of cash. This is the problem with money not being mostly concentrated among those who drive the engine of the economy - the middle class. So if wealthy people begin hoarding wealth, we warned, the econom y suffers a lack of liquidity. Money isn't moving around. It's not having the compounded effects of a true bottom-up economy. They said we were talking nonsense, that we didn't understand how it worked. Yet, look at the present (and I'll even exclude corona-era metrics from consideration as agesture of good faith. We have corporations, in the absence of policy which drives them to reinvest or be taxed at extraordinary rates, doing exactly what we warned. Most of these corporations making quasrterly "wait and see" comments are sitting on record amounts of cash. Completely liquid. And doing absolutely nothing.
This very basic concept is probably the reason conservatives will never tell you, or will try to play a shell game with, the fact that the two largest returns for every government dollar spent are Unemployment, and Food Stamps - two programs they continuously assault with denial, even though it has been the case for a very long time. This shouldn't confuse them. No one is an advocate for fraud within the system. We all agree that we should attempt to make fraud and cheating as scarce and improbable as possible. But every dollar of those programs are returned to the economy. Now you may THINK that is artificial stimulus, but the dirty little secret is that, while actually not entirely untrue, it wouldn't be sustainable if it were abused and it isn't a preferable economic engine starter, the "artificial" impacts are only partially true for the first step. But once they spend those benefits, and they spend every dime of them, those have real and substantial impacts on an economy struggling to fire on all cylinders. The grocery store has increased sales, the sales drive employment, increased demand drives more shipments, more demand for produce and farm commodities, increased sales mean raises and higher wages, and more workers. It has profound, and granted I am oversimplifying a bit for the sake of digestion, but those rippling effects aren't our THEORY, just like Progressive Economic Theory has 50 years of data we can look back on and agree that they just so happen to correspond to the nation's most prosperous years (all citizens and economic groups considered) and the world's largest middle class, which conservative policy has notoriously decimated and blamed on the very same progressive policy growth we can show, and they cannot duplicate.
If you think I'm full of crap...GREAT. Let that be the start of more questioning and fact checking from multiple sources. Weigh the data. Look at the claims. Look at the results. Are conservatives consistently misguided, or is their continuous spread of misinformation part of a plan hatched in the early 20th Century to undo the legacy of FDR and to invalidate every one of his many achievements, which...if they were actually intellectuals...they would capitalize on his success and point out (rightly, for once) that his ideas were heavily influenced by his cousin and a personal hero of his - Teddy Roosevelt, one of the founders of the Progressive Movement, and not hypocritically so at the time, a lifelong Republican.
My grandfather was a real conservative. He would have been sickened by the "conservatives" of today, who despite caliming themselves to be the authorities on economics and business, only seem to be able to show success when they actually make policies that do exactly what they say the Democrats want to do - give money away. Except the citizen they waive the flag for and rile up with their vitriol are at the bottom of their concerns, as is any real progress in economic policy, evidenced by their more than 75 years of misinformation and denial and a complete failure to give any progressive initiative the credit it is long overdue.
I actually have multiple times where I express my opinion and it gets deleted
Proud of being conservative.
Sounds like a bias video to me? The more I hear this, the more it sounds more liberal then progressive... :l
Alternative title: Genevieve Wood roasting progressivism.
Well this is biased af lmao 😂 Notice how the likes are nearly the same amount as dislikes smh 🤦🏽♀️
I'm a Conservative but i can't say I wasn't expecting this Dislike Ratio
CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS
are for
1. Strong Families
2. Strong Communities
3. School Choices
4. Pro-Life
As a conservative, I disliked this video. So much bias.
LOL
"Conservatives believe in individual rights and choices..."
"But you know...not the 'pro-choice' kind of choices."
Weird propaganda and framing.
I think that there is a distinction between hardship and killing someone.
That actually must be renamed to pro-murder.
Don't get me wrong, I am a liberal but don't think murder should be a conservative or progressive thing.
@@MassinissaIbrahimi-qv3dv That's fair, but it's not the only instance. I could mention the push against gay marriage, the push against transgender rights, the push against legalizing drugs, the demand for strict border controls.
And I'm not saying that the Democrats are the real individualists or anything. I like my fucking guns.
All I'm saying is that neither of the parties really cares about individual rights. There are no individualists in America, there's just a group of rich people in red against a group of rich people in blue who'll paint a rainbow onto their exploitation.
@@firetarrasque4667 You are right about that. I really think one's freedom should not limit the other unless it is pernicious.
This is not the definition at all! Can we get a non biased opinion on the two not this lady that doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
i do think that progressivism has taken an unfortunate direction, but ultimately progressivism is defined more by its goals than by the specific economic and social policies it uses. I think the ultimate progressive agenda is things like UBI, LVT, and replacing our voting systems to make democracy function better / removing the outsized influence of money from democratic process. Diversity quotas and censorship by corporations feels more like poorly thought out neoliberal bandaids to me.
Mostly because they're, and because they grift on social issues the left supports and pass that off as something profound.
Ohhh so this is very bias 😂😂 this woman did not like liberals
This video is bad lol. Heritage foundation will close its doors as millennial age. Can’t wait
Very biased explanation.
The most biased video on the internet is right here lol
Good quality video. Keep it up!
I was doing research on Progressives but this video is so biased and unfair. I think i would label it as Republican Propaganda
This video is bias to the right, conservative, christian old people side.
I'am gonna be honest , she's right about progressives...
LOL. This is very slanted. But nice try.
This is sponsored by conservatives...
I love that this video is supporting the claim that conservatism is fascism and is anti-Americanism.
HERITAGE FOUNDATION! Please make ALL your vids available on Y-T-. With SLOW 3rd-world internet, the other platforms you use frequently won't play without extensive interruptions! AND, putting ANY of your vids on Facebook, etc. is about like the Vatican routing its communications through Al-Jazeera.
as a conservative I am surprised this was biased towards conservatism I'm used to it being the other way around. Still prefer no bias
Is this comedy? Because it sure as hell isn't something an adult should be taking seriously.
A number of people have commented that this video is biased on Progressivism, were they much better at explaining Conservatism?
00.25 Progressives ask what am I bothered by, what should the country do for me? If were sooo inwardly focused, then why the heck do we want to pay higher taxes?
bro, if we hate other ppls ideas, then why are they called progressives????
Ah, the good days we migrate to america, if we had a job, we did not had to worry about food, medicine, sex or money, those days are gone!
Tk
The moral superiority of conservatism over progressivism as explained to a six year old. They should call themselves the Irritage (with no) foundation.
You compared completely different ideas during each round which, example: Progressives get gender identity and Conservatives get healthcare and religion, that makes no sense when trying to compare the IDEAS and STANCES each political theory takes. That alone makes your "argument" invalid because you are presented invalid reasoning. Politics and facts have nothing to do with this being a bad video, a bad presentation does.
Nice graphics and facts, but it went by so quickly that I can't remember hardly anything that it said (and I'm a political geek!). It maybe would have been better to make it 6-minutes long, and slow it down and emphasize the broad differences more emphatically.
Just hit rewind and play it again, listening for 2 minutes and resting.
Now that's the progressive spirit! /s You can also try slowing the video down if you need to.
There's always the _pause_ button. Besides, it's only three and a half minutes. Just watch it again.
Heck, this is one of the few videos that didn't go by so slowly that I got distracted by something else and forgot what they were saying!
Under progressivism, one size fits all. No rewind, no changes. You'll just have to fall in line with the mediocre average as your progressive overlords deem correct by their standards. HRC is a self avowed early 20th century progressive. You children do not belong to you, they belong to the state. Like it? You had better, because you can't leave it.
Ridiculously biased
This is such a lie.
This didn't answer my curiosity
Nice Strawman
As a conservative I value facts and objectivity and giving an honest presentation even of ideas i disagree with, and i assume good intentions even on the part of my adversaries.
I regret to say this video is horrendously biased.
This kind of puerile rhetoric doesn't serve us at all, except as a display of intellectual immaturity.
It's basically the mirror image of sjw idiocy
Holy cow and this is the heritage foundation.
I thought this was supposed to be a respectable institution. What a shipwreck. Now wonder we get a bad rep. With friends like these who needs enemies.
Shady to say that different opinions aren’t welcome among progressives.
I am here because I thought Heritage foundation is libertarian. Folks We should all refer to European's explanation instead.
Simplistic straw man by the Heritage Foundation.
Conservativism wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't lead with the philosophy of bible. Separation of church and state. This video was opinion based and not factual.
What a dishonest representation of one’s opposition’s views. I thought the Heritage Foundation was a reputable voice for reason. Apparently I was wrong.
I love this video, but if we wish to attract people to the truth we need to be a little more subjective and a tad less biased. Just constructive criticism is all.
I was truly hoping to inform myself this is not it 🙄
Progresives will be the conservatives of tomorrow
Idk but this looks more like mid Conservatives vs far Progressists.
TL;DR: Conservatives are for what is good, and Progressives are for what is bad.
I think these are good points and I'm conservative in my beliefs but I think it's important to realize this is not straight down the middle. I don't think they were trying to make anyone believe different but I just hope ppl know that.
Biggest problem to me is manifested in the Universities. When you have COLLEGE teaching with political favor, that's a dirty game right there.
Being TAUGHT by professors and having assignments where you are automatically assumed to take a certain political side is such an amazing brainwashing group think MACHINE I don't think it can be understated and shouldn't be underestimated.
This video was a terrible waste of time. So much so that I'm taking a few moments to leave a comment about it.
Both are big time capitalists and consumerists so does it matter?
This is so biased I am leaning towards being conservative but this makes me not want to be part of the political party