Breaking Down the Biggest Calls From Matchday 6!
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- Former Houston Dynamo and Chicago Fire player, Calen Carr, subs in for Andrew Wiebe and he breaks down the most controversial plays of the weekend.
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The red card on Columbus's Jones highlights an extreme flaw in the rule. You speak to the rule about endangering another player but in that play, the Charlotte player endenagered HIMSELF by recklessly lunging in. I do not think this should be a foul on the person in possession, as it only incentives defenders to be reckless. A second later and HE is the one stepping on an ankle, and both would be because he was the one recklessly charging and lunging.
Also, they didn't even bother to look at Arfield stomping on Nagbe's lunging knee only minutes later. Much more deserving of a red and play was only stopped for the injury.
100% agree with you. I feel like I've seen this sort of play more frequently recently. There's been a couple recent PKs recently where a defender is clearing the ball and an attacker lunges in front of the defender's kicking leg. They do not get a touch or position on the ball, but because they "got kicked" they get the call. I dont understand how you can get a call by throwing yourself into the legs of someone making a normal soccer play like this
Jones wasn't the one that was tackling or challenging and didn't lunge at an opponent (he had possession) That rule was written for someone challenging for the ball nto someone with possession where the opponent challenged him
I think the biggest issue is "slow motion bias."
Yes, look it up. It's a thing.
Not a foul, shame on this league's ignorance and/or stupidity.
Also, "excessive force." 😂😂😂
I guess dribbling is excessive force to these clowns.
Wish we could've seen the no call/no review on a potential red card where a Charlotte player got Nagbe high with studs out after Jones was sent off for basically the same action. There was a lot to look over in that game though
As a Charlotte fan who went to the game that ref stunk.
Btw I felt bad for Jones he wasn’t the best for Charlotte but I liked him
@@RidiculousReefing I mean, it was just bad luck but the more I look at it the more it seems like a rightful red card. It sucks that that call kinda set the game up to be a more defensive game because it was pretty entertaining at the beginning
@@swegsquirtle1437if that’s a red, the one on nagbe was as well. That foul was way worse. But this ref wasn’t allowed to allow Columbus to win. He had to much money on the game or a Garber told him he would get a job after the strike ended
He’s not allowed to show that one. It’s just more proof the game was fixed
There is no tough pill to swallow at Colorado. The person straight elbowed the other in the face and left bruises
Colorado could have stopped play, but they kept playing.
Defender did nothing wrong. Colorado player ran in to his elbow from behind. Not a foul.
@@brandonadams7837 also, Calen Carr commenting on a video showcasing a Dynamo goal scored by today’s number 3 is kind of serendipitous.
I was at the Colorado game in that corner, and the one question I have is why didn’t VAR step in? How is an elbowing and a broken nose not a clear and obvious error?
They don’t stop the game for head injuries because of advantages, they stop it for player safety. That isn’t a situation where VAR should intervene. If the Rapids players wanted play stopped there, then they should’ve kicked the ball out. But hey, I’m a Houston fan and I’m glad they didn’t. Wooooooo!!!
@@spacepants3 That’s my point. If they stop it for player safety, why are you asking the Rapids players to essentially do the ref’s job for him in stopping play and give up possession too?
@@MindOverMiller because you don’t get to complain about things like that only when it’s advantageous to you. If Colorado scores a goal when they carried on playing, then there’s no way they would’ve been complaining that the ref should’ve stopped play. Complaining about it because you got counter attacked after carrying on playing is straight up hypocrisy.
@@spacepants3 I’m the one calling for a whistle *even though* my team has advantage. Stop the game, check on the player, give VAR an opportunity to look, and if nothing else, dropped ball awarded to Rapids.
@@MindOverMiller and that’s probably what should’ve happened. Since the ref didn’t stop play, the Rapids had plenty of opportunities to play the ball out if they were at all concerned. They chose to play on, assuming the risks of what comes with that. If the ref had stopped play, the game would’ve probably played out to a draw, and I would have had no complaints about that.
Wow, mls really trying to make the scabs look good 🙄
CAN YA'LL BUY A NEW MICROPHONE!? Why is the audio quality of these videos so terrible. Either turn down the microphone preamp, stand further away from the microphone, or buy a microphone that costs more than $50. I can't take it anymore!
It is really bad. MLS should be embarrassed by the low quality sound. It's hard to believe it's as bad as it is.
How have they not got even slightly decent mics for everyone of the broadcast talent. This stuff is clearly recorded at home, so invest in it! This sounds worse than a speaker phone call halfway across the room.
Where was the ball on the freeze frame of Arfsten's offside call vs Charlotte (ARFsten, not Affsten btw).
You can't even see the ball so how can you determine the play is even accurate?
Clear and obvious, hello???
Fucking joke. That ref doesn’t deserve to lay his head down at night. Poor excuse of a human
It was clear and obvious Garber didn't want the Crew to win. See what I did there? HA! OK, I'll see myself out...
how is dribbling the ball endangering the safety of the opponent
Because it’s Columbus.
HE FUCKING STEPPED ON HIS ANKLE. Velociraptor, stfu.
!!@@CLBCrew96
It’s not, but the MLS is broken. Just look how many red cards there have been this season already.
Where is the review of the foul against Nagbe?? Cowards!!
Garber said they can’t talk about that game. It was to obvious it was match fixing.
Real!@@CLBCrew96
Worse it wasn't even called a foul. Ref stopped the game for injury
This show is a joke now that MLS refuses to acknowledge the referee strike. Watching the US v Mexico reminded me of just how much better FIFA refs control games.
Got news for ya.
Strike is over
It was a lockout, not a strike. Not the same.
@@brandonadams7837 in layman's terms:
Same thing
@@brandonadams7837splitting hairs at this point.
All but one PSRA voted against the old CBA
That red on Jones still makes me so mad. Jones had possession and was making a cut. I could understand a yellow but a straight red is crazy.
Crew fan, 100% red, Carr put the rules up. He endangered him, and he didn't have control of the ball, he pushed it forward of himself and was making the cut but the ball was not at his feet, allowing the defender to steal the ball (the ball was ON his foot at the time of the foul), and he stepped over it to try to take it back but clearly the guy's ankle was there.
@@eboethrasherYeah but that penalty call was bullshit. And that goal the crew scored was onside, how about bad officiated.
You seem to neglect the seriousness of Jone's foul. This is a straight red card regardless of him having the ball. There are no mitigating circumstancies when the foul endangers the safety of a player. What's why those fouls are called "Serious foul play". It doesn't matter whether it's intentional or not. It doesn't matter whether Jones has the ball or not. This is a straight red card and it's not even debatable if you really know soccer rules. Messi underwent the same foul few weeks ago against Nashville in a Concacaf game. The so-called experts called it "incidental contact" or "Accident". But it wasn't. As a fan, you're right to be mad but Sed Lex Dura Lex(The law is harsh, but it's the law).
I agree yellow could have been justified. For me it didn’t include excessive force or am innately dangerous decision. But that’s just an opinion and the ref didn’t share it. I can see why even if I don’t agree.
Oh and he also bodied into him hard up top simultaneously.
Calen, what on earth was Jones supposed to do differently? Or you're arguing that if an opponent lunges at you while dribbling you're supposed to dive out of the way? Or stop playing the ball? Or just fall down? Sharp margins with no intent is the right decision?
For the offside call we're looking at blurry images and shades of turf from an angle 90 degrees off from a helpful one, taken from the International Space Station?
I knew watching this game that Instant Replay would defend all the decisions, and you didn't disappoint. No wonder Wiebe dodged this one.
Be embarrassed, this is like listening to North Korean state broadcasts praising the Supreme Leader.
"if you slow it down," says Calen.
Slow motion bias is a real bias. It's been studied exhaustively.
Calen is ignorant, and engaged with slow motion bias.
This is a joke right? If the Jones red card is to be the new standard for red cards then every player should just slide under the food of their opponent. We can end these games in 15 minutes or less by forcing a team to have to forfeit. Jones is dribbling the ball, he doesn't do anything dangerous other than move his foot in front of it as he's in motion. Do players just have to give the ball up now if someone is attempting to slide in?
The offside on Arfsten wasn't called on the field and a pixelated image from the top of the stadium and a weird angle is "clear and obvious"? It has to be clear an obvious to overturn it since that wasn't what was called on the field.
These are some idiotic takes and I hope Wiebe is back soon so that we don't have to hear any more of this BS. Do better.
Exactly. Consistency is key.
And the guy that did the same thing to Nagbe a few minutes later should have been ejected - but wasn't.
Because Jones' red card is a damn joke.
Pay the refs!
The scabs aren't prepared for this. Pay your refs, Don!
Charlottes Dian came in with a reckless and uncontrolled challenge
Since we are all for "unconventional" angles, maybe this week we can get spy satellite footage for VAR to look at. Or cell phone video sent in by fans in the stands? (Shot on an iPhone of course)
That in-depth analysis on the Jones call was a master class. How about applying that to the knee stomp Nagbe took minutes later.
The lack of consistency and VAR playing armchair ref are the issues. Won't expect anything to change until it injures or severely impacts Messi and the Barca alumni retirement tour.
Way to toe the company line and not "belabor" the issue. Glad you protected your paycheck. Hope it is worth your credibility.
It’s a fucking joke
There were like 5 other angles of that goal he called back. 4 of those angles showed he was on. Then the 5th angle video shot from from the top of the skyscraper downtown showed that you couldn’t tell. Well no fucking way, it’s hard to see it when it’s 10 miles down the road
Conor Stallions-esque recordings
@@CLBCrew96"but if you look at the grass lines..." Says an idiot who doesn't understand grass lines are not "clear and obvious" indicators for obviously fallible reasons.
I’m a ref. Stop the game for head injuries, dude!!!
They should have, but they didn’t. 3 points to the good guys
That Columbus Charlotte game was a disgrace. Looked like USL with the concrete pitch painted green.
Why are Charlotte fans so cool with THE worst field in the world.
I would rather play broken glass then that pos field
Charlotte has a lot of injuries... Any reasonable fan should be pissed about their pitch.
Production quality for these has degraded a lot.
Really unfortunate that Weibe is on vacation as I don't think he would have towed the company line quite so hard (sorry Calen). For the Jones red you even say it looks worse the more you slow it down, and it sure does which is why slowing a collision of two players down where you have to go frame by frame to see what happened is not the way to give a red. A more experienced ref would have never given a red there as it was a bang bang type play and move on. If you call that a red, you HAVE to give a red to the Charlotte player who later does the same thing on Nagbe but you conveniently didn't cover that. The offsides call in the same game is ridiculous because you are using a super zoomed in shot of over the ref's shoulder as the best we have. Why wasn't this angle shown on the broadcast? Why is that still the best angle we have?
Also is it the soccer play? yes it very much is
@@owenjones8574 Doesn't really matter if it's a soccer play or not... Endangerment is still endangerment
Jones red:
For me, this isn't about these referees or this particular play so much as it is a lack of fairness in these situations. Beyond a lack of intent, which isn't taken into consideration, is the lack of the notion of whether or not the player could have avoided causing injury or if the injured player is more at fault for putting himself in that situation in the first place. I think in this case, the challenger put himself in that situation.
Jones was dribbling the ball. The ball did not get away from him. It may look like it in slow motion, but that's not a fair assessment in real time speed. He then has a challenge come in reaching for the ball and putting himself in a dangerous position. Jones tries to avoid the lunge and running directly through the challenger but cutting to his right which is when the contact occurred. The challenge only had a couple potential results. One was that he gets stepped on and the other that he gets run over. He had no business trying to make the challenge that he did, but because he touched the ball the bad challenge is forgiven and Jones gets a red.
The challenge from the Charlottle player is the entire source of the problem. The way it happened, he gets cleated. If he's a split-second later, he's cleating Jones in the ankle. Both scenarios are entirely because Jones is standing upright in possession of the ball and dribbling, and the Charlotte player flies in for a sliding tackle. It looks bad on the replay and I can understand the host's argument reviewing the rules in this video, but to me it all comes down to the fact that Jones did nothing wrong- if you're arguing that he can't plant his foot and cut the ball like that, you're essentially saying that a reckless challenge from a defender is completely fine if they get lucky and cause the person in possession of the ball to step on them. You'd be saying it's the person in possession's responsibility to avoid the contact from a reckless challenge.
@@coryschrock7207 Agreed. It is very similar to a PK called last week where the defender had his leg already coming forward to clear the ball when an attacker came in from behind, stuck his out stretched let between the ball and the defender's foot, and gets kicked. A PK was given after a VAR on field review. The player kicked had no business making the move he did. The only outcome was being kicked.
@@coryschrock7207exactly.
They're misapplying the rules to Jones, who was dribbling the ball - not challenging the ball.
"Excessive force" does not apply to the person with the ball.
If anything, it's because the players in question are both tall and have long legs.
If this is a red, then the precedent will send dozens of players off each week.
right decision against Jones? You're out of your mind. Read the description for serious foul play: "A tackle or challenge" is literally the first qualifier. Jones was DRIBBLING the ball while Diani was TACKLING/CHALLENGING for the ball. The part about "endangers the safety of an opponent" is completely dependent on if they're making a challenge for the ball. He's simply not. Never ever ever is that to the level of "SERIOUS FOUL PLAY".
The ref was in a perfect position to see it and didn't call a foul. It was only a red card after VAR review. The problem is that VAR is only supposed to be for "clear and obvious" errors....should have never been reviewed. It only looks bad as you said "if you slow it down"....how about don't slow it down and then decide if it's a "clear and obvious error". It's not.
After all that, Arfield had an even worse TACKLE/CHALLENGE on Nagbe (studs end up on the inside of Nagbe's knee while Nagbe is on the ground and Arfield is standing)....but that time, the ref didn't call anything and no VAR review. It was way more in line with the description of Serious Foul Play.
This video is propaganda. MLS needs to pay the qualified refs and send the replacements home. This is a disgrace to the league.
He went over the ball and went studs into the shin of the opposing player. In my time watching soccer, I’ve seen that same tackle several times. It’s a red card every single time.
@@spacepants3 He went over the ball to make a cut. If Jones wanted to run straight through the player he could of but hes obviously making a fast cut.
@@ScratchVR exactly, his foot went over the ball for the purpose of turning with the ball that he's already in possession of...it's a very different thing than challenging studs up over the ball
@@spacepants3 except when it happened in this same game literally 10 minutes later when Arfield CHALLENGED Nagbe, missed, and put studs into the inside of Nagbe's knee?
@@TheDonDCAC bullshit, he didn't have control of the ball. He had just taken the pass and tapped it and taken the turn but had no real possession of it. The other player was right there to take the ball, a standard play. Jones tried to recover it, and if you watch he 100% played the man as he also hit him up top, too, something most people are not talking about in their coverage.
The red card for Jones is bullshit. The rules say CHALLENGING FOR THE BALL. He already had possession of the ball and was trying to dribble it out of the way. They other player dangerously put their foot in, and got under his foot, which Jones was trying to control the ball, not challenge for it. On top of that, serious foul play requires Jones to have lunged for the ball, in which he didn’t.
Where's the controversial VAR reversing a 50/50 offside ball for San Jose?
VAR is only for clear and obvious, that was not clear and obvious
VAR shouldn't be allowed to use slo-mo or freeze frame. If you can't see it at normal speed, it isn't clear and obvious.
@@keeperMLT exactly
And if that's the measure used to prove or make your claim, that is not clear and obvious
yah that game had that and the penalty for seattle, it should’ve been in the video
@@parkerschaefer1651 it should have, but I'm not surprised corporate MLS is ignoring San Jose, nothing new there 🙄
What about the RSL game? there was a kick to Arango's face.
Why not review the high boot to Chicho Arango's face in the second half against Vancouver...IMO it was clearly a missed red.
Nothing about the Revs game where even the announcers were talking about how bad the ref was?
Another call that should be on this is the called penalty for Seattle, that was not supposed to be called one
The first two SJ goals should’ve been called back for offside
@@letti4285 Yawn. Just another Seattle fan looking for excuses. I'm not sure how you could say the first one, especially, was offside. Not unexpected though.
Jones is a strong yellow for me, he's not lunging and there's not excessive force, the slo-mo looks had but Diani is the one lunging because he's in the worse position.
That challenge is a red every week, my dude
@@spacepants3 Except it’s not a challenge because he has possession, and the rules clearly define the lack of intent a requirement on a dangerous challenge. Jones is stepping to make a move on a ball he ALREADY has possession of, which puts the consequence of action on the defender making the challenge.
@@spacepants3 The "challenge" isnt a challenge. Jones had possession
@@spacepants3 if that’s a red then the foul on Nagbe should have been a 6 game ban
Diani had the ball on his foot when Jones made the challenge, Jones was in desperation mode. Every time I've seen him play, he is overly physical. I'm not surprised by this, honestly. He was a bad pickup. Dump him in the next window. We don't need another Tchani waste on the roster, especially one who plays like Danny O in the midfield.
Like this guy more than Andrew Wiebe, he should've stated that Colorado play was a straight red tho
I can’t tell if this is Calen Carr or an intern
MLS, pay your refs.
Love you Calen, but this is not good analysis.
Pay the refs!
crew were robbed! so was i!! 😅
6:03 “I THINK they got this one right” THINK?!?!? I thought VAR was supposed to be used for clear and obvious errors!? And you THINK they got it right?!?! 😂😂😂😂 this league is such a joke
That's an odd take. He didn't say, "I think they might have gotten it right." He was very definitive in stating he thinks they got it right. Should he have said, "I think they clearly and obviously got it right!"?
your right your not Andrew Wiebe that's for sure
May I suggest paying the refs?
Should reviewed the clear headbutt by #2 on Houston which would've been his second yellow
Houston fan here. Escobar’s yellow in that game was total bullshit. It wasn’t even a foul.
@@spacepants3 it was a foul
I like this dude. Andrew, you're fired
So are we just not going to talk about the obvious hand ball outside the box in the first few minutes by the Philadelphia union goalie?
What is this mic lmao
He was a very good replacement for Andrew and I never agree with Andrew, but I agree with Calen
Calen does the impossible and gets through this episode with all fair takes
This show is mostly becoming nothing more than MLS trying to gaslight fans by saying "the refs did nothing wrong so MLS is fine with continuing with using these replacement refs" to justify the continuing refs lockout and ignoring the horrendous officiating in the first several weeks. This is an absolute joke, especially when they tried to justify every single terrible call from the Columbus Charolette game.
Right, this show has become a joke at this point. Do they think we are blind and/or stupid?
"we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing."
Lol
Question, after the var check dissalowed a penalty for Fc, how was it nycfs ball. Dado clearly had possesion of the ball before and after the penalty was called. BUT WE STILL GOT THE WIN, VAMOS FCC.
lol you didn’t even touch on any of the controversial calls or lack thereof in the Cincy game. That ref deserves to be fired he was so bad
The lockout is over. Expect first division referees back on the job this coming week.
LAFC are my least favorite team in sports. They are constantly lunging into challenges, crashing into opponents, instigating confrontations, and diving. The refs and Var really favor LAFC despite their dirty and dangerous play style.
I think that was a very weak penalty call because the LACF player pushes the Nashville player with his left arm extended which knocks the defender off balance and allows the LAFC player to reach the ball first. Plus, the LAFC player technically wins the ball but the ball is kicked towards the sideline outside of the penalty box with no other players nearby. If you pause at 2:03 you can see the LAFC player bumps knees with the defender before kicking the ball and has taken all the space away from a defender simply clearing the ball
Some things look bad in slow motion but I am not sure what players are supposed to do when an opponent lunges towards the ball from the side right in front a player making normal play to kick the ball. I think Jones was a little unlucky because he misplays the ball after seeing the other player start to lunge.
these refs r beyond me
Can’t expect these puppets to actually speak their mind 🤷🏽 they’ve already been told they can’t be critical of the refs
Wow. I thought Wiebe was bad at hosting this show. Was this an AI voice on the low energy setting, or was he actually asleep while he announced this episode? Please bring back Simon Borg!!!
Bruh it's the missed calls we're here for this was a weak showing.
...right decision!? you are wrong and get no views from me
I bet Calen is worried sick about it. He's sitting there, thinking back on his professional soccer career while you sit there and wish you had the same.
And yet by commenting you increase the engagement and benefit the video's algorithm more than dozens of views....
You don’t need to make the refs look good it’s kinda cringe. They’re not good at their jobs. This show is about showing the good and the bad. Not just the “good” of mostly bad refs
COLORADO GOT SCREWED
They screwed themselves by not kicking the ball out. If they were concerned for Maxso then they should’ve acted like it. You don’t get to play on with a player down yet cry foul when you lose possession. Also, I’m a Houston fan. Big dub cry harder hold L
@@spacepants3remember that when one of your boyz catches a bow in the box with the game on the line bud.
@@RocafellaJiggaman I will, and hopefully my team will do the smart thing and play the ball out
@spacepants3 The law on head injury is that the ref is to stop play immediately. The 87th min Mario Maric stopped play for one of your players for cramp, well ball was in play.
My problem with the Cincy handball is not so much that it was waved off, that’s no biggie and the clear correct call. My problem is that the ref stops a legit attack with the ball in Cincy possession inside the box for it, then after the review Charlotte gets a free drop. Shameful
I don't think that's shameful. The referee called what he believed was a penalty. Without VAR, that's the end of it and nobody looks back other than to say maybe it wasn't a legit call. Sure, the referee could have not called it, but that's not doing his job. If he believes there is a foul, especially a PK, then he calls it. This situation has always been a downside to how VAR works.
@@MrCho14 If it wasnt a clear handball he shouldve waved play on, then VAR can go back and look at it and stop play if it turns out it was a handball. It just shows that this ref hasnt worked with VAR much that he'd blow that play dead for anything less than a certain call
@@ArgonWolf1This isn't about that, or any particular, referee. There are plenty of times it is this season, but not this one.
This is the same discussion that has been had many times since VAR came about. The referee absolutely thought it was handling which is why he blew the whistle. Protocol requires them to call the came as if there is no VAR with VAR there to recommend review for situations they think were wrong. No referee will not call a PK they think should be based on their angle. By doing this, they put the threshold to overturn the call on the available video to be a clear and obvious error which often isn't there.
This is one of the gotchas of doing it this way where play can be stopped on the field giving a disadvantage to the attacking team if the call is changed.
This is also exactly why the AR keeps the flag down if they believe a play is offside but there is a clear goal scoring opportunity. Until referees are allowed to hold calls on fouls, like the flag is held on offside, this is a situation that can and will occur.
Pay the refs!
MLS needs to pay the refs. I haven’t watched a game this season and will continue to boycott until they’re paid
Columbus fans going full soccer Qanon has been hilarious to witness
so your good with match fixing in MLS? At least your honest.
What people are neglecting to mention about the Jones foul is how he taps the ball once to turn and go but he never touches it again until the foul is committed. He is also lunging at the ball but ALSO the man, and while everyone is focused on the ankle, look up top where he clearly bodies into him as well. Hard. That's a malicious combination made to knock the guy down, off the ball. Jones lacks finesse and he's more like a Dema, Danny O (who played his first season with Dema) type of midfielder. I hate those types of midfielders.
Him hitting the player is clean, body to body contact to challenge for the ball. There is a reason everyone focuses on the ankle, that’s where the only foul is
"malicious" is a dumb word to use. 100% incorrect.
Malicious describes intent, and the only intent with that "lounge" is how he hits the ball with the outside of his foot a split second before getting the sliding player's ankle.
You truly have no idea what you're talking about.
Just like the replacement referees this replacement Wiebe is garbage.
Overwhelmed with inexperience
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we know your voice calen carr even if you didnt reveal your name