we'll find out in the coming months how effective they've been. It's still too early to tell I think. But initial evidence suggests it has some utility. It looks silly but there's a purpose to the battlefield modifications.
@@Taskandpurpose Even if it ends up being a mere "bullet sponge" for FPVs I suppose it could be useful in assaults, particularly if the tank underneath is basically unserviceable.
But its still utterly useless, drones can still take out its tracks and disable it. I think they made this to make a false sense of security for russian tankers making them go out in the field with more confidence
@@Kr0N05 Very effective, but in a completely different role as these turtle tanks. Jagdpanthers like most German tank destroyers were not supposed to lead assaults but rather destroy attacking enemy armour, preferably from camouflaged ambush positions.
@@zvexevz jagdpanther didnt have more than 80 mm turret armor tho, thats the best armor they had. those tanks have a tad more plus its effectiveness is drasticly increased, they still have a way higher profile ofcourse.
@@tarkitarker0815 i know its a bit knitpicky but the Jagdpanther cant have "turret armor" as its a casemate and has a super structure instead of a turret
The function of a tank is to ... tank = draw fire and force the enemy to act or move. It's the reason why it is so heavily armored. Else you could just drop the armor - and have an assault gun or (when you increase the firing range) an artillery. The offensive power of a tank is a joke in comparison to other system, starting with its terrible low firing range for a system of that size, weight and cost.
Perun, I wonder how Russia hasn't lost yet. Listening to his propaganda everything is wonderful for Ukraine and very very bad for Russia. And he puts up spreadsheet and what not and it looks quite rational but it's fantasy... I don't know if he does that for a pay, from FSB or CIA, for ideology, he thinks the data fed to him is actually true or if he really believes what he says... After that long of the conflict, has he made some accurate prediction? He's a ton of bla bla never coming true.
Right. It covered with grill grate like brazier so it's a мангал. And grill grates are king-sized so it's царь, like Царь-пушка (big cannon that now a monument) or Царь-колокол (big bell that now also a monument)
There's one footage where a turtle tank took 10 drone hits and still kept on going, it drop off infantry at a forest line then went back. So yeah they work.
No, they actually dont. You saw ONE footage and you think you know 😂😂😂😂 guess what buddy, I have seen HUNDREDS of clips of drones taking them out like they are infantry. It’s a weak thin metal layer on top. It’s not doing anything. You have an extremely ignorant perspective
@@JohnFKennedy420 "hundreds of clips taking them out" yeah sure hundreds of hundred different tanks, stop yapping dude. they work better than normal tanks if no corruption occured at the workshop they were made. ive seen footage of such an turtle tank eating up artillery and drones. they work better than stock for protection, not so much for attack....
@@JohnFKennedy420 AT-weapons don't fire a piece of metal that just penetrates armor, they fire cumulative or high-explosive shells, and guess what? They trigger with a contact or proximity fuze, so even a 1mm thick steel sheet makes them ineffective
@@JohnFKennedy420If it didn't work don't you think one of the strongest military would've stopped using it? We're not in the war, propaganda is everywhere, those guys got much info that we don't, if it's effective or not, that's a thing only they really know.
@@Ktoyatakoiskazhimne ust because you don't understand how a camuletive projectile works, when in contact with a shed, the cumulative jet dissipates and behind the armor of the shed the armor of the tank, not the BMP but the tank, scattering the cumulative jet for tank armor will do nothing.
I'm amazed how much of modern warfare was invented decades before in sandbox style video games. I remember a famous ARMA clip of someone who put a C4 on a quadcopter, and we all speculated if one day, someone would do that. Turtle tanks are and have been a staple for games where you can randomly place plates on tanks, and expect small rocket or drone attacks.
These Turtle Tanks remind me of the early days of GMOD where someone would just weld a bunch of props to a buggy to make it essentially everything proof.
the thing is...this is only effective because ukraine is fighting with 40 yr old tech that isn't even theirs. against an actual country with an actual army, the "turtle tank" wouldn't survive it's first engagement. one shot of artillery and that "shed" is gone.
Kappy trying to understand Tsar Mangal is hilarious. It's just a fancy way to say "Big Grill"... that's it. To deduce it to Emperor of Anti Drone armor is a whole lot of mental gymnastics I couldn't even come up with :D
Tsar Mangal roughly translates as - Tsar's (King's) BBQ Grill. Mangal is a type of BBQ grill that most of russki and Ukrainian people grill meats on. It's a metal cased box where you put metal skewers with meats on top and cook Shashlik (type of Shish Kebab), or fish or any other kind of BBQ things.
@Taskandpurpose "mangal" is a brazier with a grill grate, visually similar to the first versions of the protective grates that were installed on tanks. So the correct translation would be king of grates. And about tsar you are correct, but the continuity comes from the Tsar Cannon, with a diameter of 890 mm, one of the largest cannons in the world for that time.
@@Taskandpurpose и это не русское слово, а среднеазиатское или кавказское, мы позаимствовали его у южных народов как и обычай жарить мясо таким образом.
Because they weren't useful prior to the rise of drone warfare. In the last decade, it was more about fighting off missiles launched from aircrafts instead of the aircrafts themselves, because they never get in reach of anything. The old Gepard tank from germany was phased out, now it serves in Ukraine and is very effective against cheap drones.
I wish RTS games were still in vogue. The voice acknowledgements from Russian tanks being equipped with turtle armor or moving with turtle armor would be comedy gold in a new C&C Red Alert.
@@AMOUREDD Wait, are we talking about the actual armored vehicles, or the joke of using an unrelated clip of a news reporter talking about reptilian habitats?
one practical purpose is it keeps the guy wielding instead of out on the front getting ground up. "cant go out there I gotta wield these chains on next!"
Managal is a BBQ grill in russian, Tsar-mangal is analogy with tsar-pushka(tsar-cannon) and tsar-colocol(tsar-bell). Simply means the biggest BBQ grill.
But, unlike the Tsar Cannon, which never fired, and the Tsar Bell, which never rang, the Tsar Mangal works, producing fried meat from russian cannon fodder.
The UAF captured a turtle tank yesterday. It was gutted inside. The active protection pods were empty. The 'armor' was sheet metal. It was a giant APC with literally no armor, even the captains turret hatch was welded shut. The only opening was the driver seat.
"even the captains turret hatch was welded shut" thats hilarious because doing that adds absolutely no armor, they simply made the tank harder to escape during an emergency
@@joseaca1010 idk, welding it shut does increase the likelyhood of an he grenade, like those the fpv drones carry to not be able to blast that hatch open and create a deadly overpressure scenario for the crew. its somewhat not dumb. t55 and onwards have rear and bottomhatches iirc.
First thing I learned in armor school at Fort Knox was “if you can be seen, you can be killed” followed by “if you can see them they can see you” a tank on the move is the most vulnerable target. I used keep these rules in mind when parking in hull defilade and preparing my next three positions.
@@rayzerot I don’t remember it being called that, but it makes sense like peeling layers of an onion. I left armor along time ago, no future in it. But, as a young soldier, I would dig in my tank, hide it carefully and then prepare three more firing positions. Shoot and scoot. Once that main gun goes off everybody for miles can see you, lol.
Yeah, but these days anyone can carry a flying camera in their pocket with a 15km range and a thermal mode. The question isn't if you're seen or not, it's how much attention they're paying to you because you've to assume you're always being observed.
@@ERECTED_MONUMENT oh yeah, the modern day battle field is completely changed. I would be scared shitless in my M60A1 MBT. A retard with video goggles and a drone can put a heat round on me? Screw that I quit.
So basically the Turtle Tank is meant to be like a real life DISTRACTION CARNIFEX… In tabletop war game terms, the short version is that you plonk a huge, scary-looking model in the middle of the table, which draws a tremendous amount of enemy gunfire, while the real threats make it up the field relatively unmolested. Basically like an RPG tank. It fulfills all the basic requirements: It’s big, it’s tough, it’s (kinda) scary, at least for Ukraines that are trying to fight it off before it can get within firing range, and it’s relatively cheap. Edit: I appear to have started another fight… *_Whoopsies!_*
@@Gr3nadgr3gory I mean if YOU’RE a Ukrainian trooper seeing this thing barreling towards you while taking hits that should have crippled it thrice over by now, would YOU take that chance? And even if it can’t, it could STILL have the troops inside disembark once they reach their objective, which demands Ukraines attention anyway.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire if it's getting hit multiple times before returning fire, I generally can assume the first hit either took down its weapon, or it never had one to begin with. Deal with it accordingly.
What I don't understand about the captured turtle tank with the disabled gun and non-rotating turret: why not lift the entire turret off the vehicle? Saves a ton of weight and creates space to carry more troops. And it's not as if that hasn't been done before: the Canadian Kangaroo from WW2 comes to mind.
If it looks like a turret, the enemy will treat it as a turret. Same reason you don't go waving a firearm around in public even if *you* know it's clear, or even has the entire trigger mechanism removed.
It might be that they didn't have the machinery to lift the turret anywhere nearby. I imagine that takes an especially strong crane or lift? But also, yes, maybe it is just to maintain the image of a threat.
@@inthefade I agree that it's most likely because they lacked the ability to lift the turret out. Most of them are field mods by the units once they're in Ukraine, rather than an industrial setting somewhere that can actually do heavy lifting.
This is like war in Marawi, Philippines. The tanks where retrofitted with wood, and it works. You can alao paint it with free wifi as a lure for enemies. Haha
Forced to use old ones? That's some military grade copium. You literally just said they utilize junk to do something useful and unique. Should they waste t90 on that?
actually,for what it is being used (a battering ram that absorb ukrainian fire) the turtle tank is good. The last 80 yeas are full of examples of tanks modief even in grotesque fashion to get the job done. In ww2,the US tankers even used to apply concrete on the hull of their tanks becuse they were scared af of the german guns.
Those concrete tanks likely only ever helped against the panzerfausts (since those were shaped). The German AT guns typically had solid rounds. Though most of the photos I've seen had the concrete on the front... where no half-sane infantryman would fire (though the Germans had meth so...). It probably was only ever a moral booster.
@@smalltime0 a moral booster that put an unnecessary weight on the tank. Patton forbade his tankers to use similar ideas, since he wanted them fast as possible.
True but battlefield modifications are not always improvements like the concrete you mentioned. From what i've heard it actually decreased survivability since concrete was softer then the metal used as armour so the shells would bite in easier and be less likely to ricochet. Also the added weight meant they were more likely to break down or get stuck making them sitting ducks. I think these turtle tanks are useful tho since they modify unusable tanks into usable ones even if only as more survivable decoys. I wouldn't want to be a soldier sitting on top of one of those tho since i highly doubt the tin metal sides will prevent you getting riddled with shrapnel if it was hit, probably doesn't even stop some small arms fire getting through. I think if the Ukrainians had more access to good ATGMs like javelin with tandem warheads or precision artillery then this design would be much less useful.
@@marcobonesi6794Incorrect, field engineers were getting overwhelmed by the idiots breaking their sherman's transmissions due to the weight of concrete. So Patton banned it
I appreciate how unbiased and informative this video was. It's nice to see a video discussing something related to the war in Ukraine that isn't fangirling over one side or the other and is instead just giving the facts.
You know, that for your average infantrymen, you’re pretty dang smart. thanks for a good examination of the turtle tank and its purpose. Of course since your’re task and purpose I suppose that makes sense. Enjoy your videos. Please keep them coming.🍺 Cheers!
You are a smart guy Cappy, i love this whole take especially the "we ignore what they are doing at our peril" The entire emergency of these I think mirrors exactly how it was when tanks first appeared on the battlefield. The first reactions were laughter. Resisting that urge means more good men and women will survive as we can adapt faster.
"That barn just moved" that bit of humor so quintessentially American, that it left me smelling the Chicken and Gravy meal and the apple pie dessert 😂😂😂❤.
People tend to forget we did somethi g similar in iraq in afghanistan with the RPG cages and the modifications we did to our turrets when grenades were dropped from bridges into the trucks
@@davidty2006 not really. the turrets were limited to only being able to fire a little less than 180 degrees essentially. this wasn't really a problem though because you only needed to move the vehicle a few degress to see in another direction , and normally we planned every mission so that the "trucks" were pointing in different directions to cover each field of fire in 360 degree security. often the rear security was just two 240 bravo's out the back. This was okay in counter insurgency in IRaq and Afghanistan it worked fine as a solution to the threats we faced there
Wieird thing is that it was outdated for WWII but with better engine and some extra roof protection it would be what both sides need and would feel right at home at modern battlefield 80years after it was made!
@@joebenson528 or you know... Another well known TH-camr that a lot of people on this channel are also subscribed to just so happened to create a video about said tank like a month ago... No? Doesn't ring any bells?
Do what you gotta do. Like the hillbilly armor on humvees, until they eventually came out with the up-armored package for them. I remember seeing the rhino device that came out later and was told it was just a glow plug in a box.
One of the greatest problems in making smaller "personal jammers", for individual soldiers, is the power supplie - jammers use a LOT of energy, and a soldier will have to carry a very large assembly of batteries, if the jammer shall work for more than a small periode of time.
The major problem with the proliferation of aerial drones is that the cost-to-kill ratio of conventional weapons is horrible. If an FPV drone with a warhead can cost as little as $500 while it costs between $10,000 - $20,000 fully amortized to shoot it down, then that's ultimately a losing proposition even for the USA. While experiments with laser weapons may (or may not....) pay off, it's clear that a radical rethink of how to deal with aerial threats is needed. Also clear is the need for huge quantities of ATGMs. Shame the production lines mostly got shut down.....
В настоящее время инженерами ведется активная работа по созданию эффективных средств борьбы с беспилотниками, которая положит конец их доминированию на поле боя, придется изобретать новые средства нападения. Но, это было во всех военных конфликтах, вспомните, к примеру, первую и вторые мировые войны, как совершенствовалась военная техника, а также тактика и стратегия ведения войн.
We designed the Early LAVs, and they were originally supposed to be lightning fast, responsive, and go-anywhere vehicles (why the 8 wheels and able to float over water). At first they weighed only 14-tons. The footprint pressure was so small, that they could drive over many of the old mines. They were intended to get a squad In and Out, before the heavy armor or artillery could gets its act together. This worked for about 10+years. Now, After a few combat missions with modern drones, fire-controlled fast turrets, dual-warhead TOWs, AIM-120 GPS-guided Mortar vehicles, and any form of a 6kgram IED, these vehicles have been MUTATED well beyond their original functions. Add-on spaced armor and grilles, and active armor, and bottom protection from smart mines, have just made these vehicles into another form of the M2 Bradley. None of them can float. The top armor is so cheesy that any 2kgram/warhead drone can disable them. Credit goes to the US Army and Marines, since they added-on whatever devices needed to make them viable on an actual battlefield. That probably cost many lives. It is clear that vehicles of this type need some kind of "overhead protection" mechanism or electronic devices, which reduce or eliminate small drone attacks. Drones can go for 10-to-20-times the distances of artillery rounds. Russian forces have artillery as their fundamental battle doctrine. They are responding just like the US forces did, to mitigate the threats for their enemy. I predict that electronic warfare will be the next actual battleground at a tactical level. At a strategic level, it will be heavy warheads, launched from a vast distance, where the launching platform will be safer. For the Ukraine, any electrical power plant, water supply facility, railroad transfer yard, gasoline and diesel storage facility, and heavy bridge crossover, will soon be destroyed, from a far distance.
Lockheed Martin recently announced that they will double their production of Javelin missiles as Ukraine requested. They originally were making about 2000+ a year and now they will start ramping up production to make 4000+ annually. I think this is a important thing to note. As most if not all Russian equipment is very vulnerable by these missiles and get destroyed upon impact.
Honestly the turtle tank doesn’t show weakness it’s innovative. They know the tanks will soak up fire why send your best. It’s a strategic move maybe not effective maybe it is we will see.
Something that is unbelievably effective vs drones but nobody seems to think about. Flak. Small bits of metal exploding out of rounds of ammo in an airburst fashion. It's an old tech to be sure but those drones have 0 defensive abilities and are effectively just smart bombs with rotors. Rotors which can easily be defeated...
Garage tanks are janky as heck, but they do come in handy, Kurdistan was the first time ive seen them. And it may not be the best, but id still never want to encounter one TBH, im more concerned about how much these wars are escalating, with Ukraine International Legions striking targets in Africa and Syria, this could make WW3 inevitable
When Russia uses a t72 turtle its "proof' that they are out of tanks and need to resort to such "desperate" but when Ukraine uses T55s & Vickers mgs from WW1, They're "innovators adapting to the modern battlefield with whatever they can"
whoever thought using leopard 1's and M113's in a conventional war in 2024 should be charged with war crimes for the poor dudes who had no chance in those moving coffins
Whoever wins the war depends on how far the west is willing to go to support Ukraine or how much Russia is willing to lose to beat Ukraine and so far it appears Russia has quite a lot to lose.
@@دمالأسد-ب4ص Ukraine pretty much lost when it let the coup happen in 2014. Then it lost again when it started a civil war, divind the land, losing Crimea and Donbass forever - mainly by that civil war. Then it lost even more by not following Minsk 2 agreement and instead becoming a full NATO sacrifice... Regarding this conclict now: impossible to win for Ukraine in absolut any way. It's even worse: Russia went in to secure the Donbass and make sure it and Crimea would not be attacked any longer by westenr Ukraine. Could have accepted that and western Ukraine would be as fine as it can be after all that. Instead western Ukraine now got a good chance to cease to exist, not even by damage, not even by the hundredsthousands of lives lost and who knows how many millions even who might never come back, but those who remain now got a gigantic debt and that toward the worst people you can be in debt in: our 'free west'. After this, when you add up the debt and compare it what will be left of the GDP, we talk about 400-500% yearly GDP in debt, if not more. It's insane. And all because their crazy regime sold out the country and its people to NATO as cannonfodder...
An interesting comparison to make might be torpedo nets on Battleships in the late 1800s and early 1900s (They came back for a bit in WW2 as well). Cheap, fast-moving torpedo boats that could harm giant battleships had just become a thing, and this led to the adoption of awkward spars sticking out the sides of large ships to hold nets that would "catch" the torpedoes and prevent them from damaging the ship. In concept, pretty similar to what the turtle shell is doing on these tanks, and nearly as awkward-looking. Ultimately, these were a clunky stopgap measure, like the Turtle Tanks. Spaced armor in the form of torpedo bulges and torpedo belts replaced the nets, and torpedo boats were partly countered by dedicated "Torpedo boat destroyers" - or, as we call them now, just Destroyers. Which would potentially line up with what's being said here about the potential of new SHORAD vehicles.
@Chaos_Cultist humans are very fragile it doesn't take much, west weapons are fancy but wouldn't last long in a bigger conflict, economy wise is just a waste with overkill. US spend billions upon billions yet have not delivered Ukraine a true victory, logistical no nation on earth should could keep up with US enormous budget, yet they do can wonder why, cost effective matters, older weapons work just as well no matter how much you make fun of it, they were created in the same purposes
I am from Iraq, I used to live in a small town near Taji. My family worked for an oil company in Taji, but we moved to central Baghdad years ago. Taji is now safe and stable, hotels are being built, and a 90,000-seat stadium will open next year. Maybe we will play some 2026 World Cup qualifiers there.
14:35 these external jammers strapped onto a pallet placed on top of a tank were very short lived, like 1 week. The turtle/shed tanks then appeared with some of the first clearly having jammers installed. The first of these apparently took something like 24 FPV drones out. This number fluctuates as sometimes Ukraine captures the EW and there is a window of Ukraine's drones being unjammed. I've heard one stat about how Ukraine will send a wave of 3 FPV drones against a tank; however, if it is a turtle/shed tank then that becomes 6 FPV drones.
Based on some media information, while they do not protect entirely from drones and heavily decrease situational awareness of crew, these constructs allow tanks to survive several drone strikes, usually long enough for supporting infantry to shoot down other threats or for vehicles to retreat. It is mostly anti-drone defense though and partially protects from diving munitions.
"Mangal" is kind of barbeque/grill devices. In post-USSR countries it's usually metal box where you put wood to burn, then on top you put meat on metal sticks to cook. So it's "an emperor of meat preparation boxes"
I saw one that basically had shopping carts all over it. Brilliant, i think. Appears to provide just as much protection against drones at far less weight...
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The Seige 425 crossbow - in case aliens can jamm gunpowder weapons.
The Sontarans did it once!
I see the TT as one of the #1 signs that they are absolutely desperate and worried.
War commentary always works better when you open with a joke
Mangal mean "grill"
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The Turtle Tank is evolving into a Crab, because well, everything evolves into a crab.
Look to nature to solve many problems. Nature has millions of years of mutations and adaptations to deal with ANY problem.
Wait.... You're saying these Russian scrap armor tanks eventually turn into a Polish 155mm SPG?
Crabs are truly a final form
Shovels evolve into FAB family 😂
“…with great pinching…”
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid.
we'll find out in the coming months how effective they've been. It's still too early to tell I think. But initial evidence suggests it has some utility. It looks silly but there's a purpose to the battlefield modifications.
@@Taskandpurpose Even if it ends up being a mere "bullet sponge" for FPVs I suppose it could be useful in assaults, particularly if the tank underneath is basically unserviceable.
@@Taskandpurpose "You go to Special Military Operation with the army you have, not the army you want..."
But its still utterly useless, drones can still take out its tracks and disable it. I think they made this to make a false sense of security for russian tankers making them go out in the field with more confidence
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It looks like something the A-Team would drive out of a barn.
But the A-team tank would have a weapon added and an angry Mr-T to throw fools around.
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lmaoo
Nope, cuz BA would have done in before the end of the episode.
Tsar mangal is literally "king BBQ box"
That's what I assumed too
They look like oversized mangals. I suppose that makes the piloting crew a shashlik
More like BBQ grill grate in this case.
yes
Cool, someone already mentioned the proper translation. when he said Russia is calling it tsar mangal I nearly spilled my coffee laughing 😂 😂😂
The kill dozers two fatal flaws was that its cooling system wasn't modified and its designer hadn't done enough planning to account for getting stuck
Also, it’s designer was insane.
@@canadiangemstones7636 but not wrong.
@@canadiangemstones7636 if he was insane, then all americans are.
@@canadiangemstones7636 not the kill dozer’s flaw
Wd is building a new and improved design....😅
The low visibility and tank being able to shoot only if the entire tank moves reminders me of a Jagdpanther. Same concept nearly 90 years ago.
And they were very effective , but they had a low silhouette.
@@Kr0N05 Very effective, but in a completely different role as these turtle tanks. Jagdpanthers like most German tank destroyers were not supposed to lead assaults but rather destroy attacking enemy armour, preferably from camouflaged ambush positions.
@@zvexevz jagdpanther didnt have more than 80 mm turret armor tho, thats the best armor they had. those tanks have a tad more plus its effectiveness is drasticly increased, they still have a way higher profile ofcourse.
@@tarkitarker0815 i know its a bit knitpicky but the Jagdpanther cant have "turret armor" as its a casemate and has a super structure instead of a turret
same, that's what kept popping up in my head, except those were made to be lower and harder to hit in trenches
I prefer the name "Blyatmobile"
that's a good one , maybe my favorite
Lmao.
Turbo lol
@@Taskandpurpose "Quick, Robinski, to the Blyatmobile!"
And run by vodka 😂.
I prefer what Perun called them "Assault Sheds" since they no longer perform the tank function
The function of a tank is to ... tank = draw fire and force the enemy to act or move. It's the reason why it is so heavily armored. Else you could just drop the armor - and have an assault gun or (when you increase the firing range) an artillery.
The offensive power of a tank is a joke in comparison to other system, starting with its terrible low firing range for a system of that size, weight and cost.
Perun, I wonder how Russia hasn't lost yet. Listening to his propaganda everything is wonderful for Ukraine and very very bad for Russia. And he puts up spreadsheet and what not and it looks quite rational but it's fantasy...
I don't know if he does that for a pay, from FSB or CIA, for ideology, he thinks the data fed to him is actually true or if he really believes what he says... After that long of the conflict, has he made some accurate prediction?
He's a ton of bla bla never coming true.
@@miriamweller812the original function of a tank was achieving breakthroughs. trench warfare.
Perun is useless establishment copy machine
It is bo different to a stug you can always rotate the whole tank
where did my house go?!
suspiciously house-shaped T-72:
“Hmmm guys, I think I know where his house went”
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Tsar Mangal: mangal is not a slang for anti drone armor. mangal means barbecue grill
Right. It covered with grill grate like brazier so it's a мангал. And grill grates are king-sized so it's царь, like Царь-пушка (big cannon that now a monument) or Царь-колокол (big bell that now also a monument)
Yup It's Türkish word for bbq
The cut to the lady talking about "you need to clean your turtle's tank once a week" killed me!
boys remember, nobody likes a filthy turtle tank! keep them tanks clean.
@@Taskandpurpose No kidding. I about had a stroke when they showed that captured one littered with old MRE crap, cans, trash, etc.
There's one footage where a turtle tank took 10 drone hits and still kept on going, it drop off infantry at a forest line then went back. So yeah they work.
No, they actually dont. You saw ONE footage and you think you know 😂😂😂😂 guess what buddy, I have seen HUNDREDS of clips of drones taking them out like they are infantry. It’s a weak thin metal layer on top. It’s not doing anything. You have an extremely ignorant perspective
@@JohnFKennedy420 "hundreds of clips taking them out" yeah sure hundreds of hundred different tanks, stop yapping dude. they work better than normal tanks if no corruption occured at the workshop they were made. ive seen footage of such an turtle tank eating up artillery and drones. they work better than stock for protection, not so much for attack....
@@JohnFKennedy420 AT-weapons don't fire a piece of metal that just penetrates armor, they fire cumulative or high-explosive shells, and guess what? They trigger with a contact or proximity fuze, so even a 1mm thick steel sheet makes them ineffective
@@JohnFKennedy420If it didn't work don't you think one of the strongest military would've stopped using it? We're not in the war, propaganda is everywhere, those guys got much info that we don't, if it's effective or not, that's a thing only they really know.
@@Ktoyatakoiskazhimne ust because you don't understand how a camuletive projectile works, when in contact with a shed, the cumulative jet dissipates and behind the armor of the shed the armor of the tank, not the BMP but the tank, scattering the cumulative jet for tank armor will do nothing.
I'm amazed how much of modern warfare was invented decades before in sandbox style video games.
I remember a famous ARMA clip of someone who put a C4 on a quadcopter, and we all speculated if one day, someone would do that.
Turtle tanks are and have been a staple for games where you can randomly place plates on tanks, and expect small rocket or drone attacks.
I used to pimp tanks in Unturned with lots of sandbags and sheet metal but never thought about making a whole shed around it.
bf4 predicted launching ifv's to the top of skyscrapers
These Turtle Tanks remind me of the early days of GMOD where someone would just weld a bunch of props to a buggy to make it essentially everything proof.
the thing is...this is only effective because ukraine is fighting with 40 yr old tech that isn't even theirs. against an actual country with an actual army, the "turtle tank" wouldn't survive it's first engagement. one shot of artillery and that "shed" is gone.
Yep, and personally figure the 'Murikin version, the 'toaster-on-a-stick', is sheer genius!
Never forget, Daffy Duck joined the U.S. marines and saved bugs bunny from an Albanian prison
Gomer Pyle was in the military 😳😂😂😂😂
Lol
Know your role!
@@javierpatag3609 Aughhh !!! Ahh !
Bugs was a marine as well
Love the analysis and the quips. Hell yea for the Perun shoutout! Love both channels for my analysis!
Kappy trying to understand Tsar Mangal is hilarious. It's just a fancy way to say "Big Grill"... that's it. To deduce it to Emperor of Anti Drone armor is a whole lot of mental gymnastics I couldn't even come up with :D
Maybe cause it’s a joke 💀
Tsar Mangal roughly translates as - Tsar's (King's) BBQ Grill. Mangal is a type of BBQ grill that most of russki and Ukrainian people grill meats on. It's a metal cased box where you put metal skewers with meats on top and cook Shashlik (type of Shish Kebab), or fish or any other kind of BBQ things.
Wrong translation. Not Tsar’s BBQ Grill, but Tsar-Grill itself, like Tsar of all grills.
@@enterthedragon2689 bro that’s literally what I said 🗿
@@5olodkyi no, that's not. Tsar’s mangal - a mangal of Tsar. But Tsar-mangal - Royal mangal or tsar of mangals. You still do not see the difference?
Yes, haha, i knew someone beat me to explaining this haha 😁
That cut to turtle tank maintenance is genius, thank you
Laughing a lot here... got my like immediately
@Taskandpurpose "mangal" is a brazier with a grill grate, visually similar to the first versions of the protective grates that were installed on tanks.
So the correct translation would be king of grates. And about tsar you are correct, but the continuity comes from the Tsar Cannon, with a diameter of 890 mm, one of the largest cannons in the world for that time.
yeah I was looking into that mangal grate thing , I wasn't sure if that's what it meant though so I didnt want to guess , thanks for the info!
@@Taskandpurposemangal also means "grill" in turkish so it is not suprising
@@Taskandpurpose и это не русское слово, а среднеазиатское или кавказское, мы позаимствовали его у южных народов как и обычай жарить мясо таким образом.
@@TaskandpurposeIt’s just a joke, in russian meaning:
“The greatest bbq grill there is.”
Or The Great Grill - Tsar Mangal, if you will.
@@andrejjjj2008and the guys inside it are the ones getting cooked by the Ukrainian chefs…
STEAKS READY BOYS!!!
I've said for ages that there were gaps in short range air defence - the UK has practically none.
Well you've already bent over and let Russia have its way with you, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
The UK doesn't need to have anti-aircraft defenses, after all, Russia doesn't have the capacity to invade NATO, right?
Because they weren't useful prior to the rise of drone warfare. In the last decade, it was more about fighting off missiles launched from aircrafts instead of the aircrafts themselves, because they never get in reach of anything. The old Gepard tank from germany was phased out, now it serves in Ukraine and is very effective against cheap drones.
@@Pirateekiller they Producer 3x the Artillery than us, they certainly could Spam arttilery
The new CT40 is designed to kill drones and even has a dedicated round.
Thanks for making your content. You balance facts, analysis and comedic bits really well. Much future success. Keep up the content!
They were doing this in the Philippines back in 2016, they used wood and scrapmetal to form "armor" or copecages for their APCs
Funnily enough it worked, tho the enemies though, ISIS were using old RPG 2 and 7s
@@Joshua-zx7bsI recall they were homemade RPG-2 clones with even more janky warheads.
Cope siding defeats cope RPGs.
The legendary 'Free Wifi' APC vehicle skin.
Who knew slapping random materials on your tanks would provide surprisingly good defense
I wish RTS games were still in vogue. The voice acknowledgements from Russian tanks being equipped with turtle armor or moving with turtle armor would be comedy gold in a new C&C Red Alert.
“Turtle tank on the way!”
“Slow and steady!”
“We’ll get there eventually”
“Give em shell!”
@@Aker66 “We’ll get there… eventually”
@@Aker66 damnit you had that one!
*moves unit*
"For the motherland, in 3 to 5 business days"
This vehicle makes an appearance in Age of Empires 2.
16:50 - You guessed wrong. «Mangal» is the name of a type of grill for frying meat. Tsar - you got it right.
Giving a shout out to Perun! Good on you Cappy! Class recognizes class. Salute!
Wonder what a colab of those two would look like 😂
The News reporter part about cleaning your turtle tanks got me real good!
no one likes a dirty turtle tank, gross!
That's dumb as South park
@AMOUREDD Ah, so it looks dumb on the surface, but is secretly brilliant. Got it. 😉👍
@@UGNAvalon I'm not against the fact that it works, after all we c all NATO vehicles doing the same thing
@@AMOUREDD Wait, are we talking about the actual armored vehicles, or the joke of using an unrelated clip of a news reporter talking about reptilian habitats?
one practical purpose is it keeps the guy wielding instead of out on the front getting ground up. "cant go out there I gotta wield these chains on next!"
Woo, Perun call out! Love you too, Task and Purpose.
Managal is a BBQ grill in russian, Tsar-mangal is analogy with tsar-pushka(tsar-cannon) and tsar-colocol(tsar-bell). Simply means the biggest BBQ grill.
But, unlike the Tsar Cannon, which never fired, and the Tsar Bell, which never rang, the Tsar Mangal works, producing fried meat from russian cannon fodder.
@@Squee.1366 Наименее кровожадный натобот. Уже поцеловал потрет Гитлера?
@@Squee.1366 I hope you are getting paid for these comments, coz you are going to be very disappointed when Ukraine surrenders
@@GeloLego99
Unlike you, I don't get paid. And if Ukraine surrenders, then judging by russia’s policy in the occupied territories, I will be dead.
@@helicoidsniffer1303
Только Бандеры. Гитлера и Путлера я оставляю вам.
The UAF captured a turtle tank yesterday. It was gutted inside. The active protection pods were empty. The 'armor' was sheet metal. It was a giant APC with literally no armor, even the captains turret hatch was welded shut. The only opening was the driver seat.
"even the captains turret hatch was welded shut"
thats hilarious because doing that adds absolutely no armor, they simply made the tank harder to escape during an emergency
@@joseaca1010 idk, welding it shut does increase the likelyhood of an he grenade, like those the fpv drones carry to not be able to blast that hatch open and create a deadly overpressure scenario for the crew. its somewhat not dumb. t55 and onwards have rear and bottomhatches iirc.
First thing I learned in armor school at Fort Knox was “if you can be seen, you can be killed” followed by “if you can see them they can see you” a tank on the move is the most vulnerable target. I used keep these rules in mind when parking in hull defilade and preparing my next three positions.
What's it called? The defense onion or something like that?
@@rayzerot I don’t remember it being called that, but it makes sense like peeling layers of an onion. I left armor along time ago, no future in it. But, as a young soldier, I would dig in my tank, hide it carefully and then prepare three more firing positions. Shoot and scoot. Once that main gun goes off everybody for miles can see you, lol.
Yeah, but these days anyone can carry a flying camera in their pocket with a 15km range and a thermal mode. The question isn't if you're seen or not, it's how much attention they're paying to you because you've to assume you're always being observed.
@@ERECTED_MONUMENT oh yeah, the modern day battle field is completely changed. I would be scared shitless in my M60A1 MBT. A retard with video goggles and a drone can put a heat round on me? Screw that I quit.
So basically the Turtle Tank is meant to be like a real life DISTRACTION CARNIFEX… In tabletop war game terms, the short version is that you plonk a huge, scary-looking model in the middle of the table, which draws a tremendous amount of enemy gunfire, while the real threats make it up the field relatively unmolested. Basically like an RPG tank.
It fulfills all the basic requirements: It’s big, it’s tough, it’s (kinda) scary, at least for Ukraines that are trying to fight it off before it can get within firing range, and it’s relatively cheap.
Edit: I appear to have started another fight… *_Whoopsies!_*
What firing range? There's no guarentee it can fire at all.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory
I mean if YOU’RE a Ukrainian trooper seeing this thing barreling towards you while taking hits that should have crippled it thrice over by now, would YOU take that chance?
And even if it can’t, it could STILL have the troops inside disembark once they reach their objective, which demands Ukraines attention anyway.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire if it's getting hit multiple times before returning fire, I generally can assume the first hit either took down its weapon, or it never had one to begin with. Deal with it accordingly.
@@Gr3nadgr3gorydistractions don't have to shoot back.
@Gr3nadgr3gory First rule of guns: always assume its functional, even if it shouldn’t be.
What I don't understand about the captured turtle tank with the disabled gun and non-rotating turret: why not lift the entire turret off the vehicle? Saves a ton of weight and creates space to carry more troops. And it's not as if that hasn't been done before: the Canadian Kangaroo from WW2 comes to mind.
If it looks like a turret, the enemy will treat it as a turret.
Same reason you don't go waving a firearm around in public even if *you* know it's clear, or even has the entire trigger mechanism removed.
It might be that they didn't have the machinery to lift the turret anywhere nearby. I imagine that takes an especially strong crane or lift? But also, yes, maybe it is just to maintain the image of a threat.
@@inthefade I agree that it's most likely because they lacked the ability to lift the turret out. Most of them are field mods by the units once they're in Ukraine, rather than an industrial setting somewhere that can actually do heavy lifting.
Turtles done with those straws
This is like war in Marawi, Philippines. The tanks where retrofitted with wood, and it works. You can alao paint it with free wifi as a lure for enemies. Haha
I remember reading about that after moving to Mindanao. Hard core.
Free wifi as bait is so smart. Filipinos are very clever as always!
Not tanks, APCs
A very information-packed video enjoyable to watch. Good work!
Forced to use old ones? That's some military grade copium. You literally just said they utilize junk to do something useful and unique. Should they waste t90 on that?
Litteraly, they use it has bait tank, you See some of them has drone jamer on top and they Always have mine rolling
actually,for what it is being used (a battering ram that absorb ukrainian fire) the turtle tank is good. The last 80 yeas are full of examples of tanks modief even in grotesque fashion to get the job done. In ww2,the US tankers even used to apply concrete on the hull of their tanks becuse they were scared af of the german guns.
Those concrete tanks likely only ever helped against the panzerfausts (since those were shaped). The German AT guns typically had solid rounds. Though most of the photos I've seen had the concrete on the front... where no half-sane infantryman would fire (though the Germans had meth so...).
It probably was only ever a moral booster.
@@smalltime0 a moral booster that put an unnecessary weight on the tank. Patton forbade his tankers to use similar ideas, since he wanted them fast as possible.
True but battlefield modifications are not always improvements like the concrete you mentioned. From what i've heard it actually decreased survivability since concrete was softer then the metal used as armour so the shells would bite in easier and be less likely to ricochet. Also the added weight meant they were more likely to break down or get stuck making them sitting ducks.
I think these turtle tanks are useful tho since they modify unusable tanks into usable ones even if only as more survivable decoys. I wouldn't want to be a soldier sitting on top of one of those tho since i highly doubt the tin metal sides will prevent you getting riddled with shrapnel if it was hit, probably doesn't even stop some small arms fire getting through. I think if the Ukrainians had more access to good ATGMs like javelin with tandem warheads or precision artillery then this design would be much less useful.
@@marcobonesi6794Incorrect, field engineers were getting overwhelmed by the idiots breaking their sherman's transmissions due to the weight of concrete. So Patton banned it
I appreciate how unbiased and informative this video was. It's nice to see a video discussing something related to the war in Ukraine that isn't fangirling over one side or the other and is instead just giving the facts.
You know, that for your average infantrymen, you’re pretty dang smart. thanks for a good examination of the turtle tank and its purpose. Of course since your’re task and purpose I suppose that makes sense. Enjoy your videos. Please keep them coming.🍺 Cheers!
Totally not a CIA/DIA operation.
Cheers brother ! Thanks for watching im appreciative of your support , I’ll bring the task if you bring the purpose , hooah
CIA plant
Just goes to show what the average infantryman can do if they have the constitution for it
Long ago in an Army far far in the distant past, I was an 11 bang bang too… B Co, 3/87 Mtn Inf
When I see a turtle tank I can't help but think Jawas will pour out and try to sell some droids.
UTINI!
40k reference, as someone whose been subscribed from many years prior. thank you Cappy!
It's like the head of the AT-AT from Star Wars come to life.
I was thinking more like a Sandcrawler from Tattoine.
and crawls backwards into against a tree
Shoigu!!!! Where's the ammo in my turtle tank Shoigu?!?!?!?!
ok, that one is funny
Shoigu got replaced
Putin honored his dying friends wish
I read that in Lazerpig voice in my head...
You are a smart guy Cappy, i love this whole take especially the "we ignore what they are doing at our peril"
The entire emergency of these I think mirrors exactly how it was when tanks first appeared on the battlefield. The first reactions were laughter. Resisting that urge means more good men and women will survive as we can adapt faster.
To be fair the earliest tanks were a pathetic joke.
TMNTs: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"
"That barn just moved" that bit of humor so quintessentially American, that it left me smelling the Chicken and Gravy meal and the apple pie dessert 😂😂😂❤.
Glad you like our apple pie - from UK and Europe where we have eaten it for centuries. It's not exactly american lol!
@@Davey-Boyd the saying goes, "as American as apple pie"
@@klobe9 I know. But it's not American. It's lovely though!
@@Davey-Boyd Chicken and gravy is also one of the earliest recorded English recipes.
@@Arkantos117 and where did the Colonists to the original 13 colonies come from? I wonder…
that Rob Lee shoutout much deserved, dude grinded first year, still just posts solid info
People tend to forget we did somethi g similar in iraq in afghanistan with the RPG cages and the modifications we did to our turrets when grenades were dropped from bridges into the trucks
wasn't there atleast enough room left so the turret could move?
Busses in Vietnam had screens on the windows to protect from grenades.
@@davidty2006 not really. the turrets were limited to only being able to fire a little less than 180 degrees essentially. this wasn't really a problem though because you only needed to move the vehicle a few degress to see in another direction , and normally we planned every mission so that the "trucks" were pointing in different directions to cover each field of fire in 360 degree security. often the rear security was just two 240 bravo's out the back. This was okay in counter insurgency in IRaq and Afghanistan it worked fine as a solution to the threats we faced there
I think the old T28 Super Heavy Tank (also had the T95 name) is feeling a little left out.
Cant have a turtle tank fight without the Doom Turtle!
Wieird thing is that it was outdated for WWII but with better engine and some extra roof protection it would be what both sides need and would feel right at home at modern battlefield 80years after it was made!
The Soviets had their own version, the SU-152
Searched "Doom Turtle", not surprised that the average viewer of this channel thinks they know anything because they play video games.
@@joebenson528 or you know... Another well known TH-camr that a lot of people on this channel are also subscribed to just so happened to create a video about said tank like a month ago...
No? Doesn't ring any bells?
The su152 was half the weight of the dreaded doom turtle@@mrvwbug4423
Do what you gotta do. Like the hillbilly armor on humvees, until they eventually came out with the up-armored package for them. I remember seeing the rhino device that came out later and was told it was just a glow plug in a box.
For the entire video I couldn't stop thinking of the Brain Bug from Starship Troopers.
It's afraid... IT'S AFRAID!"
the impact of killdozers legacy lives on. rip legend
Nah what a loser
Dude the Perun plug tho!!! He’s so good even other mil channels are reccomending him!
WTF is Cappy gonna do when he finally upgrades from his 2006 toyota camry? Those are my favorite jokes lmao
my bumper is actually falling off my car it's rough hahaha , I've never cared much what I drive but yeah, it's baddd
@@Taskandpurpose Upgrade to the indestructible 92 Camry.
06 camry legends never break down 😂
Turtle tank
"...did that Barn just moved?..."😊
One of the greatest problems in making smaller "personal jammers", for individual soldiers, is the power supplie - jammers use a LOT of energy, and a soldier will have to carry a very large assembly of batteries, if the jammer shall work for more than a small periode of time.
Perun!!! Best PowerPoint creator on the Internet!! Such a good channel
The major problem with the proliferation of aerial drones is that the cost-to-kill ratio of conventional weapons is horrible. If an FPV drone with a warhead can cost as little as $500 while it costs between $10,000 - $20,000 fully amortized to shoot it down, then that's ultimately a losing proposition even for the USA. While experiments with laser weapons may (or may not....) pay off, it's clear that a radical rethink of how to deal with aerial threats is needed. Also clear is the need for huge quantities of ATGMs. Shame the production lines mostly got shut down.....
В настоящее время инженерами ведется активная работа по созданию эффективных средств борьбы с беспилотниками, которая положит конец их доминированию на поле боя, придется изобретать новые средства нападения. Но, это было во всех военных конфликтах, вспомните, к примеру, первую и вторые мировые войны, как совершенствовалась военная техника, а также тактика и стратегия ведения войн.
@@user-mh5xk6fl1x I could see some kind of autonomous auto shotgun be effective. I wonder if the enemy will call it a war crime like last time?
@@MADCATMK3103 А что было признано военным преступлением в прошлый раз?
@@user-mh5xk6fl1x Shotguns in WW1
@@giantsashavor7809 Ружья? А я думал, что газы - боевые отравляющие вещества.
1- Hey Comrade help me I can't find
the right set of keys for the tank.
2- It's the set with the turtle key
holder!
"you should clean your turtle tank once a week" I almost spat out my lunch XDXD good video
Perun getting shoutout from Task & Purpose. Crossover when?
There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent. Lao tzu
STuG IV on the Turtle Tank: I... I have GRANDKIDS!
can't escape the stug life
Stug, it stugs
A7V bros, we're so back
If you taking your enemy unseriously than you already lost.
Quick question, have you seen that jammer in front of the Stryker successfully detonate an IED? Great video as always!
Can't help but find it hilarious that this 100% looks like something that orks from WH40K would put together.
Russian are called Orcs for a reason.
Yeah. Like the US humvees with duct taped flak wests back in Iraq. The GI orcs sat on their flak wests and believed that it will work against IED's...
@@MikeBenko
Because they are scary and dumb, and yet, they are winning.
Gorktrukk
@@MikeBenko Oh boy, here's the reddit edgelord dehumanizing Russians
We designed the Early LAVs, and they were originally supposed to be lightning fast, responsive, and go-anywhere vehicles (why the 8 wheels and able to float over water). At first they weighed only 14-tons. The footprint pressure was so small, that they could drive over many of the old mines. They were intended to get a squad In and Out, before the heavy armor or artillery could gets its act together. This worked for about 10+years. Now, After a few combat missions with modern drones, fire-controlled fast turrets, dual-warhead TOWs, AIM-120 GPS-guided Mortar vehicles, and any form of a 6kgram IED, these vehicles have been MUTATED well beyond their original functions. Add-on spaced armor and grilles, and active armor, and bottom protection from smart mines, have just made these vehicles into another form of the M2 Bradley. None of them can float. The top armor is so cheesy that any 2kgram/warhead drone can disable them. Credit goes to the US Army and Marines, since they added-on whatever devices needed to make them viable on an actual battlefield. That probably cost many lives. It is clear that vehicles of this type need some kind of "overhead protection" mechanism or electronic devices, which reduce or eliminate small drone attacks. Drones can go for 10-to-20-times the distances of artillery rounds. Russian forces have artillery as their fundamental battle doctrine. They are responding just like the US forces did, to mitigate the threats for their enemy. I predict that electronic warfare will be the next actual battleground at a tactical level. At a strategic level, it will be heavy warheads, launched from a vast distance, where the launching platform will be safer. For the Ukraine, any electrical power plant, water supply facility, railroad transfer yard, gasoline and diesel storage facility, and heavy bridge crossover, will soon be destroyed, from a far distance.
Lockheed Martin recently announced that they will double their production of Javelin missiles as Ukraine requested. They originally were making about 2000+ a year and now they will start ramping up production to make 4000+ annually. I think this is a important thing to note. As most if not all Russian equipment is very vulnerable by these missiles and get destroyed upon impact.
the epitome of "if it looks stupid but works, it ain't stupid"
HAHHAHA except it isn’t at all. It doesn’t work, so it is in fact very stupid. HAHAHAH you actually think this is going to help Russia 🤣🤣🤡🤡🫵🫵
Given the fact that the Russians are moving forward all along the front would say this turtle is just one of the reason for all that movement.
Honestly the turtle tank doesn’t show weakness it’s innovative. They know the tanks will soak up fire why send your best. It’s a strategic move maybe not effective maybe it is we will see.
8:39 what is that website called?
The tank was never meant for tank on tank warfare, it has been, and always will be, an infantry fighting support vehicle
Something that is unbelievably effective vs drones but nobody seems to think about. Flak. Small bits of metal exploding out of rounds of ammo in an airburst fashion. It's an old tech to be sure but those drones have 0 defensive abilities and are effectively just smart bombs with rotors. Rotors which can easily be defeated...
Philippines: 😅😅😅 your not the first one
Yo first I mean second btw love your vids❤
thanks good sir!
@@Taskandpurposeyour very much welcome.
Forever winter promotion campaign goes hard
Garage tanks are janky as heck, but they do come in handy, Kurdistan was the first time ive seen them. And it may not be the best, but id still never want to encounter one
TBH, im more concerned about how much these wars are escalating, with Ukraine International Legions striking targets in Africa and Syria, this could make WW3 inevitable
US tax dollar at work. I would prefer they the potholes and bridges in our country.
Biden and the Democrats hate America
They are easily blinded completely from the front, and then the crew/personel have no idea where they are going.
For performing ordinary tank roles it looks like a downgrade, but as a mobile jammer for the rest of the platoon it makes sense.
When Russia uses a t72 turtle its "proof' that they are out of tanks and need to resort to such "desperate" but when Ukraine uses T55s & Vickers mgs from WW1, They're "innovators adapting to the modern battlefield with whatever they can"
whoever thought using leopard 1's and M113's in a conventional war in 2024 should be charged with war crimes for the poor dudes who had no chance in those moving coffins
''royalty of tanks, but it's visuals don't exactly match''
must have been a Habsburg.
Considering M1 Abrams are getting 1-shotted by cheap $500 drones, then yea, these turtle tanks are absolutely working.
And how many Russian tanks have been 1-shotted in total?
they are called assault guns
garage tanks
@@دمالأسد-ب4صwhat about you
Whoever wins the war depends on how far the west is willing to go to support Ukraine or how much Russia is willing to lose to beat Ukraine and so far it appears Russia has quite a lot to lose.
Assault guns are pretty much tanks without being tanky, so mainly a moving cannon.
@@دمالأسد-ب4ص Ukraine pretty much lost when it let the coup happen in 2014.
Then it lost again when it started a civil war, divind the land, losing Crimea and Donbass forever - mainly by that civil war.
Then it lost even more by not following Minsk 2 agreement and instead becoming a full NATO sacrifice...
Regarding this conclict now: impossible to win for Ukraine in absolut any way. It's even worse: Russia went in to secure the Donbass and make sure it and Crimea would not be attacked any longer by westenr Ukraine.
Could have accepted that and western Ukraine would be as fine as it can be after all that.
Instead western Ukraine now got a good chance to cease to exist, not even by damage, not even by the hundredsthousands of lives lost and who knows how many millions even who might never come back, but those who remain now got a gigantic debt and that toward the worst people you can be in debt in: our 'free west'.
After this, when you add up the debt and compare it what will be left of the GDP, we talk about 400-500% yearly GDP in debt, if not more.
It's insane. And all because their crazy regime sold out the country and its people to NATO as cannonfodder...
An interesting comparison to make might be torpedo nets on Battleships in the late 1800s and early 1900s (They came back for a bit in WW2 as well). Cheap, fast-moving torpedo boats that could harm giant battleships had just become a thing, and this led to the adoption of awkward spars sticking out the sides of large ships to hold nets that would "catch" the torpedoes and prevent them from damaging the ship. In concept, pretty similar to what the turtle shell is doing on these tanks, and nearly as awkward-looking.
Ultimately, these were a clunky stopgap measure, like the Turtle Tanks. Spaced armor in the form of torpedo bulges and torpedo belts replaced the nets, and torpedo boats were partly countered by dedicated "Torpedo boat destroyers" - or, as we call them now, just Destroyers. Which would potentially line up with what's being said here about the potential of new SHORAD vehicles.
Blatant anti-russian bias.
Do not interrupt the jew when it is making a mistake
-Sun Tzu
@@user-fg8ux8zo6w true.
So russians are just warhammer 40k orks when it comes to building stuff.
Return of the Red Army....because they goes FASTA
@Chaos_Cultist
humans are very fragile it doesn't take much, west weapons are fancy but wouldn't last long in a bigger conflict, economy wise is just a waste with overkill. US spend billions upon billions yet have not delivered Ukraine a true victory, logistical no nation on earth should could keep up with US enormous budget, yet they do can wonder why, cost effective matters, older weapons work just as well no matter how much you make fun of it, they were created in the same purposes
Yoooo... I took that picture at 9:29 of those Strykers. We were leaving Taji heading back to our OP.
I am from Iraq, I used to live in a small town near Taji. My family worked for an oil company in Taji, but we moved to central Baghdad years ago. Taji is now safe and stable, hotels are being built, and a 90,000-seat stadium will open next year. Maybe we will play some 2026 World Cup qualifiers there.
14:35 these external jammers strapped onto a pallet placed on top of a tank were very short lived, like 1 week. The turtle/shed tanks then appeared with some of the first clearly having jammers installed. The first of these apparently took something like 24 FPV drones out. This number fluctuates as sometimes Ukraine captures the EW and there is a window of Ukraine's drones being unjammed.
I've heard one stat about how Ukraine will send a wave of 3 FPV drones against a tank; however, if it is a turtle/shed tank then that becomes 6 FPV drones.
I always thought Tsar means King and it's a derivative of Caesar
8:42 I like how you called out that you were "winging it", instead of stating it as fact, which could mislead people
Clearly there are "revisions" being implemented that help soldiers survive in the present environment. Great report.
16:40 Mangal (мангал) is a charcoal grill popular in post Soviet countries. Guess it has some resemblance when you stand close to it
Based on some media information, while they do not protect entirely from drones and heavily decrease situational awareness of crew, these constructs allow tanks to survive several drone strikes, usually long enough for supporting infantry to shoot down other threats or for vehicles to retreat. It is mostly anti-drone defense though and partially protects from diving munitions.
Can we see something, like the WWII Jagdpanzer, reappear?
Low profile, fixed gun, ta take advantage of a "Turtle Shell"?
"Mangal" is kind of barbeque/grill devices. In post-USSR countries it's usually metal box where you put wood to burn, then on top you put meat on metal sticks to cook. So it's "an emperor of meat preparation boxes"
I saw one that basically had shopping carts all over it. Brilliant, i think. Appears to provide just as much protection against drones at far less weight...