This video still has foorage from old capture card and the in-game quality is not great, it was made before I got the new one. The "RTX 3050 6GB vs RX 6500 XT" video has footage from the new capture card, I just took my sweet time translating this video :) Tell me if you like it or not. Likes and comments are appreciated.
Great video, I subbed some time back, very hard when starting off, I think you will do very well if you stay consistent, your videos are like 10X better than mine so should have no problem. Anyway I have the 7500F very happy with it atm.
Great vid! I do not know that is normal, but here in Hungary 12600KF and 7500F/7600 prices are very close. The same for Motherboards. So this video was very useful.
Subbed. Thanks, I'm planning on building exactly that setup. One quesiton, I want bluetooth and Wifi, so does this model also include OC capability? ASRock B760M PG Riptide WiFi
You mentioned to not use 8gb sticks, but could you or did you do any test to see if that is true? People on reddit say that a lot too, even though from the test that I saw there wasn't any big difference between a kit of 2x8 and one of 16x2 in the same frequency.
Not surprising that clocked normalized at 5GHz Golden Cove beats Zen 4 by a little. Its got slightly better IPC but Zen 4 has higher clocks as most Golden Cove tops out at 5GHz to 5.2GHz where Zen 4 can go to 5.6 to 5.7GHz all core with PBO on.
Dual cold boot if you bclk overclock. Also bclk seems to like to shift by 1, but someone told me you need to set it 0.25 higher than you want, then it will not move back and forth by 1. Sleep is also an issue, many report that after bclk overclock it will stop entering sleep.
Yeah I can confirm, lose the sleep function, at least on win10, and for blck you just need to add 0.01, example 125.01 to get 125. But there are some Bios updates and maybe it will fix these. I still can dual boot though
Great video and a really interesting topic. 12th gen will be remembered as one of the greats, and maybe the last great overclocking from Intel. Figures that it wasn't intentional! The 7500F is a gem too, from what I understand, and I bet it would have won decisively in a full overclocked comparison, which I would love to see. But that's easy to say when you're the one doing all the work.
@ArtyomExplainsEng thx for the quick answer, but with the PG riptide is possibly right ? The reason why inasked about the PG lightning is because has an inbuild wifi and the rest of the specs looked the same for me
I can stop thinking about Metro Exodus when i hear the name artyom. 😊 Nice video. indeed, you don't need strong cpu for 4k gaming. there is a gain in 2k/1440p gaming....but your screen has to be small enough for the pixels to be small enough. i tried 1080p gaming, on a 4k tv.......not a big one, 46" inches, and........that's not nice. too big screen for too low resolution. you can also pbo with the 7500F with A620 chipset....and get 32 or 64 gb of ram. good memory bandwidth that i5 12400 is some beast.......for a third of a 7800x3d......😊
@@mircomputers that i'll have to test ! i can't afford those cards, and after time i don't want to. i just want to buy the right card, good for 2-3 years, or more. Only AMD offers that to that day, excluding Ray Tracing.....to some extent. Paying premium has a limit especially if the firm is supposed to be best seller in the market........
Is there a pbo hard cap on the clock override or was it unstable past +200 ? From what it seems. I dont think a 7500f is a poor-mans 7600x even with pbo
I don't think a 12400F for $109 with a B760M PG Riptide for $130 is a bad combo at all. I've used the 12500T, 12700K and 14700K in the Riptide and found it able to handle all of them without issue (admittedly the 14700K took a fair bit of tweaking) I was even able to run benchmarks at DDR5 7600 and break some 3DMark records for my hardware config (14700K and 4080 Super). I would not hesitate to recommend the B760M Riptide/12400F/T-Create Classic 5600 32GB kit as the basis for a budget gaming platform. You might try using a 6800, Zotac open box 4070 or used 3080 with it.
That's what i made a few months ago. Rx 6800 for 260 euro, 127 euro pg riptide, 90 euro 12400f constantly running at 5 ghz with a thermalright phantom spirit. Amazing price for the result. The 6800 run overclocked with an Undervolt @900 mv.
I want to build an i5 12400 PC with a B760M riptide, my intention is to BCLK. Can the 2024 i5 12400 still be BCKL properly? and can it be as good as the old i5 12400? I looked for information on the forum, it said there was a difference between the previous and current versions of the i5 12400, I was very confused,
I just got a 7500F and on default clockspeeds, I get a farcry 6 result of 97avg, 137max, 71min on CPU-limited resolution (1280x800) (which is still about 16% higher than what i achieved with my previous 5600X. These numbers differ WILDLY from what you have shown in the video. Maybe my RAM is the limiting factor here, as I have 2x16GB 40CL 4800mhz, so that might be an issue. I did not expect the results to be THAT far off though. Can this be the case? (My Graphics card is a 1080ti, but on that resolution, the GPU probably has no effect at all, just mentioning it for sake of completeness)
@@ArtyomExplainsEng Thank you very much for your input. I have not expected to receive an answer, let alone 6 hours later. I will look into it and probably respond to this thread once more.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng I got my RAM to work at 6000 and 30 CL, which already improved the FPS somewhat. I also found out that my cooling is subpar and CPU therefore clocks down to 4700 mhz. So now I will get better cooling. Still even after I will have fixed all of that, I find it hard to believe that I could ever reach your FPS from the video.
@@rikai5344 Try to apply a PBO offset, try -40, go down -5 step at a time. Test stability with an intense workload, like occt, atleast 30 minutes for each step, if it does not crash try it for a day in normal operation and if no instability is visible then keep the offset. Mine works great with -30, it can even do +200 pbo freq boost at -30. Check my latest video where I test 12900HX vs this 7500f with a -30, +200. Keep in mind there is not latest Windows 11 fps boost patch applied, I made the test just before it arrived :( 7500f is only a 88w CPU, it should be just fine on almost any cooler, unless it is very small one. Hight temps on a ryzen are expected, even 70-90 in gaming due to a fat heat spreader.
Thumbs up. love to see your bench setup. cooler, psu, etc. currently using 12400f, b660m riptide. when hit 5Ghz it just amazing. unfortunately when overclocking it, sleep menu on windows 10 just disappear. is it just me ? any suggestion ?
Why shouldn't I buy 8GB sticks? I was thinking of getting the 7500F with 2x8GB DDR5 CL30 6000MHZ RAM and a cheap B650? Should I just get a 12400F with a beefy B660/B760 and go for 2x16GB DDR4 RAM and OC the CPU?
Get 2x16 6000 cl30, please. You can't upgrade from 2x8 to 4x8, expo will fail to work in most boards. 7500f is a much better CPU, stay with that choice, but please, no 2x8.
2x8gb 6000 cl30 😂 just get some team group 6000 cl38 2x16 its still Hynix you can tune it and it will be much faster than any 2x8. 8gigs sticks should not exist at all for d5
What a cool video, thanks! I'm running a 12400F with a Z690 Taichi myself, it would have been cool to see your BIOS settings on the B760M PG Riptide as well. I got pretty bad silicon lottery but a very capable AIO (Liquid Freezer III 420), so I am running at a very high voltage to get 5.2GHz all core. I currently set it to 1.45V Vcore LLC1 with Vcore running around 1.4V under all core load. I don't mind the efficiency loss or higher temps, since the Liquid Freezer comes with the thermal frame and has no issue dissipating 300W+. Do you have C0 or H0 stepping? H0 may clock even higher, but dissipates heat worse. C0 is a disabled 12900K die, so the heat is distributed more evenly.
@@ArtyomExplainsEngDo you mean cold boot as in power supply off? In my case, it only boots twice after unplugging it, usually it boots fine, takes a bit longer to reach POST screen though. One more recommendation: if you switch the core ratio from All Core to Specific Per Core and set all ratios to 40, you get C6 and C7 sleep states. This helps you get 10W idle.
hello and thanks for this great video some things to mention: these CPUs are much better with AMD cards, nvidia driver overhead hit performance a lot 12400f uses more power unless you have msi lite load to undervolt, wich also helps with memory clocks as the SA is cooler the intel CPUs have a lot more memory variance for many reasons i think mostly because they come from different dies i was able to run H0 12400f with 6600 ddr5 on this same board, the memory tuning did much more than the bclk overclock in warzone. I had some 12400f that were not able to run past 5400 in the past (stock cooler and no undervolt though, so probably high SA temp)
my settings are these (VDDG CCD 0.95, VDDG IOD 0.95) th-cam.com/users/shortsDJRsIPrJ58U?feature=share We are not so far from each other (I assume the differences in the settings cannot result noticeable performance difference), except your voltages seem quite higher than mines (your Ryzen must be in high voltage mode). As far as I know 1.2 V should be enough for VSOC surely. I guess VDD, VDDQ, VDDIO depend more on the silicon lottery / IMC. My 7600 is probably very good, it could run the XMP profile of the Vengenace kit at 6400 MT/s and 2067 FCLK in 1:1 mode.
in my country 12400 and 7500f price are the same so i chose ryzen 7500f over 12400 and i m first time user of ryzen only issue with ryzen is temperature otherwise am happy with my decision over all and using it with msi a620m-e motherboard easily
This video still has foorage from old capture card and the in-game quality is not great, it was made before I got the new one. The "RTX 3050 6GB vs RX 6500 XT" video has footage from the new capture card, I just took my sweet time translating this video :) Tell me if you like it or not. Likes and comments are appreciated.
Great video, I subbed some time back, very hard when starting off, I think you will do very well if you stay consistent, your videos are like 10X better than mine so should have no problem.
Anyway I have the 7500F very happy with it atm.
Enjoy watching your style of content as well.
nice video sir, this test for fun, ryzen am5 great performance now, great socket support.
Only Zen5 and Zen5X3D. Zen6 will be on AM6 more likely
@@valentin3186 no, zen 7 am5
Love your videos. Hope the subs pick up soon: you deserve it.
Great vid!
I do not know that is normal, but here in Hungary 12600KF and 7500F/7600 prices are very close. The same for Motherboards. So this video was very useful.
Thanks a lot. I needed this video.
Also, make a video with 4070 or 4070 ti
Subbed. Thanks, I'm planning on building exactly that setup. One quesiton, I want bluetooth and Wifi, so does this model also include OC capability? ASRock B760M PG Riptide WiFi
Hi, sorry, did not see the comment. It is the extract one on the video
You mentioned to not use 8gb sticks, but could you or did you do any test to see if that is true? People on reddit say that a lot too, even though from the test that I saw there wasn't any big difference between a kit of 2x8 and one of 16x2 in the same frequency.
I have made tests on Intel and AMD and they are always 5-10% slower and overclock worse
Not surprising that clocked normalized at 5GHz Golden Cove beats Zen 4 by a little. Its got slightly better IPC but Zen 4 has higher clocks as most Golden Cove tops out at 5GHz to 5.2GHz where Zen 4 can go to 5.6 to 5.7GHz all core with PBO on.
Hi, you mentioned the b760m pg riptide has issues. What are they? :D I watched the video but you didn't bring it up again. Sorry if i missed it :)
Dual cold boot if you bclk overclock. Also bclk seems to like to shift by 1, but someone told me you need to set it 0.25 higher than you want, then it will not move back and forth by 1. Sleep is also an issue, many report that after bclk overclock it will stop entering sleep.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng Thanks for the answer dude!
Yeah I can confirm, lose the sleep function, at least on win10, and for blck you just need to add 0.01, example 125.01 to get 125. But there are some Bios updates and maybe it will fix these. I still can dual boot though
Great video and a really interesting topic. 12th gen will be remembered as one of the greats, and maybe the last great overclocking from Intel. Figures that it wasn't intentional! The 7500F is a gem too, from what I understand, and I bet it would have won decisively in a full overclocked comparison, which I would love to see. But that's easy to say when you're the one doing all the work.
hey, great video, question, can i also use th ASRock B760M PG Lightning wifi to OC the I512400F ?
No
@ArtyomExplainsEng thx for the quick answer, but with the PG riptide is possibly right ? The reason why inasked about the PG lightning is because has an inbuild wifi and the rest of the specs looked the same for me
@@Yuri.G PG Riptide has external clock generator but PG lighting doesn't, that's the difference that makes PG Riptide overclockable.
Please do Maxsun b760m Terminator d5 if you could
I will
I can stop thinking about Metro Exodus when i hear the name artyom. 😊
Nice video. indeed, you don't need strong cpu for 4k gaming. there is a gain in 2k/1440p gaming....but your screen has to be small enough for the pixels to be small enough.
i tried 1080p gaming, on a 4k tv.......not a big one, 46" inches, and........that's not nice. too big screen for too low resolution.
you can also pbo with the 7500F with A620 chipset....and get 32 or 64 gb of ram. good memory bandwidth
that i5 12400 is some beast.......for a third of a 7800x3d......😊
Artyom is a common slavic name, there are tens of thousands of Artyoms out there :)
you don't need high end CPU if you use AMD cards, nvidia will use a lot more CPU
@@mircomputers that i'll have to test ! i can't afford those cards, and after time i don't want to. i just want to buy the right card, good for 2-3 years, or more. Only AMD offers that to that day, excluding Ray Tracing.....to some extent. Paying premium has a limit especially if the firm is supposed to be best seller in the market........
Why you didn’t share 12400 5ghz settings? Can you do another video for it?
1.3v core, 125 bclk. Not many settings to share...
@@ArtyomExplainsEngthanks! Can i overclock it on the other mobo in video, asrock b650?
B650 allows you to overclock any ryzen
@@ArtyomExplainsEngWhat the Bios Version B760M Riptide?
Sorry to ask but what cooler did you use because i want to buy this combo .
Which one?
@ArtyomExplainsEng for the 12400 oc
@@ArtyomExplainsEng I don't know why but I can't send my comment. Im talking about the i5-12400f oc
Is there a pbo hard cap on the clock override or was it unstable past +200 ?
From what it seems. I dont think a 7500f is a poor-mans 7600x even with pbo
Most 7500f can reach 5.3 - 5.4 all core if your just set voltage and frequency. The PBO boost is limited by 200.
I don't think a 12400F for $109 with a B760M PG Riptide for $130 is a bad combo at all. I've used the 12500T, 12700K and 14700K in the Riptide and found it able to handle all of them without issue (admittedly the 14700K took a fair bit of tweaking) I was even able to run benchmarks at DDR5 7600 and break some 3DMark records for my hardware config (14700K and 4080 Super).
I would not hesitate to recommend the B760M Riptide/12400F/T-Create Classic 5600 32GB kit as the basis for a budget gaming platform. You might try using a 6800, Zotac open box 4070 or used 3080 with it.
I can get 12400f from AliExpress for 90$ and b760m pg riptide for 110 where I live. Nothing beats this combo right now.
That's what i made a few months ago. Rx 6800 for 260 euro, 127 euro pg riptide, 90 euro 12400f constantly running at 5 ghz with a thermalright phantom spirit. Amazing price for the result. The 6800 run overclocked with an Undervolt @900 mv.
Anyone have z790 motherboard with 12400 OC?
I want to build an i5 12400 PC with a B760M riptide, my intention is to BCLK. Can the 2024 i5 12400 still be BCKL properly? and can it be as good as the old i5 12400? I looked for information on the forum, it said there was a difference between the previous and current versions of the i5 12400, I was very confused,
There are cut down 12900k die version and small die version. First one is slightly better, but both will do fine.
I just got a 7500F and on default clockspeeds, I get a farcry 6 result of 97avg, 137max, 71min on CPU-limited resolution (1280x800) (which is still about 16% higher than what i achieved with my previous 5600X.
These numbers differ WILDLY from what you have shown in the video. Maybe my RAM is the limiting factor here, as I have 2x16GB 40CL 4800mhz, so that might be an issue. I did not expect the results to be THAT far off though. Can this be the case? (My Graphics card is a 1080ti, but on that resolution, the GPU probably has no effect at all, just mentioning it for sake of completeness)
Yes, you are crippling your CPU extremely hard with this ram. Get 2x16 6000 cl30 kit, sell yours. Ryzen benefits from good ram.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng Thank you very much for your input. I have not expected to receive an answer, let alone 6 hours later. I will look into it and probably respond to this thread once more.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng I got my RAM to work at 6000 and 30 CL, which already improved the FPS somewhat. I also found out that my cooling is subpar and CPU therefore clocks down to 4700 mhz. So now I will get better cooling. Still even after I will have fixed all of that, I find it hard to believe that I could ever reach your FPS from the video.
@@rikai5344 Try to apply a PBO offset, try -40, go down -5 step at a time. Test stability with an intense workload, like occt, atleast 30 minutes for each step, if it does not crash try it for a day in normal operation and if no instability is visible then keep the offset. Mine works great with -30, it can even do +200 pbo freq boost at -30. Check my latest video where I test 12900HX vs this 7500f with a -30, +200. Keep in mind there is not latest Windows 11 fps boost patch applied, I made the test just before it arrived :(
7500f is only a 88w CPU, it should be just fine on almost any cooler, unless it is very small one. Hight temps on a ryzen are expected, even 70-90 in gaming due to a fat heat spreader.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng I will try that. Thank you very much 😃
Thumbs up. love to see your bench setup. cooler, psu, etc. currently using 12400f, b660m riptide. when hit 5Ghz it just amazing. unfortunately when overclocking it, sleep menu on windows 10 just disappear. is it just me ? any suggestion ?
I can put pc to sleep or hibernate like normal.
@@TekTakes bios version?
@@keconsipsip B660m PG Riptide, Bios 5.01. Windows 11
@@TekTakes thanks i'll try win 11
how overcklock 12400f i have z790 aorus elite but cant overcklock 12490F why help me plz
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Why shouldn't I buy 8GB sticks? I was thinking of getting the 7500F with 2x8GB DDR5 CL30 6000MHZ RAM and a cheap B650? Should I just get a 12400F with a beefy B660/B760 and go for 2x16GB DDR4 RAM and OC the CPU?
Get 2x16 6000 cl30, please. You can't upgrade from 2x8 to 4x8, expo will fail to work in most boards. 7500f is a much better CPU, stay with that choice, but please, no 2x8.
2x8gb 6000 cl30 😂 just get some team group 6000 cl38 2x16 its still Hynix you can tune it and it will be much faster than any 2x8. 8gigs sticks should not exist at all for d5
What a cool video, thanks!
I'm running a 12400F with a Z690 Taichi myself, it would have been cool to see your BIOS settings on the B760M PG Riptide as well.
I got pretty bad silicon lottery but a very capable AIO (Liquid Freezer III 420), so I am running at a very high voltage to get 5.2GHz all core. I currently set it to 1.45V Vcore LLC1 with Vcore running around 1.4V under all core load. I don't mind the efficiency loss or higher temps, since the Liquid Freezer comes with the thermal frame and has no issue dissipating 300W+. Do you have C0 or H0 stepping? H0 may clock even higher, but dissipates heat worse. C0 is a disabled 12900K die, so the heat is distributed more evenly.
mine's a H0, running at stock voltages at a solid 5ghz
msi b760 mortar max
12400 non f, with avx512 fused off
@@elonwong what kind of cooling do you have?
@@mangitt Thermaltake aio + cpu mounting bracket
@@mangitt tbh one of the shettier Thermaltake coolers since I didn't expect much heat
@@elonwong H0 dissipates heat pretty bad as much as ive read online
chat cold boot problem does the b760 riptide have? can you explain more?
Starts 2 times before boot begins. No way to fix right now
@@ArtyomExplainsEng thanks for the reply... you are awesome !!!
@@ArtyomExplainsEngDo you mean cold boot as in power supply off? In my case, it only boots twice after unplugging it, usually it boots fine, takes a bit longer to reach POST screen though.
One more recommendation: if you switch the core ratio from All Core to Specific Per Core and set all ratios to 40, you get C6 and C7 sleep states. This helps you get 10W idle.
What if you turn pbo off on the 7500f and leave the power limit? How much percentage does it lose?
Not much, 88 watts is enough for it, more or less.
Неплохое сравнение и английский.
Should stick with 1080 low to make sure you're not getting GPu bound 😅
Can u make video how to oc Ryzen 5 7500f?
Mb in the future.. Right now I struggle to deliver all content I have already prepared.
hello and thanks for this great video
some things to mention: these CPUs are much better with AMD cards, nvidia driver overhead hit performance a lot
12400f uses more power unless you have msi lite load to undervolt, wich also helps with memory clocks as the SA is cooler
the intel CPUs have a lot more memory variance for many reasons i think mostly because they come from different dies
i was able to run H0 12400f with 6600 ddr5 on this same board, the memory tuning did much more than the bclk overclock in warzone. I had some 12400f that were not able to run past 5400 in the past (stock cooler and no undervolt though, so probably high SA temp)
Can i overclock with msi b760 m pro ddr4 wifi
You can watch the video and get the answer
my settings are these (VDDG CCD 0.95, VDDG IOD 0.95)
th-cam.com/users/shortsDJRsIPrJ58U?feature=share
We are not so far from each other (I assume the differences in the settings cannot result noticeable performance difference), except your voltages seem quite higher than mines (your Ryzen must be in high voltage mode). As far as I know 1.2 V should be enough for VSOC surely. I guess VDD, VDDQ, VDDIO depend more on the silicon lottery / IMC. My 7600 is probably very good, it could run the XMP profile of the Vengenace kit at 6400 MT/s and 2067 FCLK in 1:1 mode.
in my country 12400 and 7500f price are the same so i chose ryzen 7500f over 12400 and i m first time user of ryzen only issue with ryzen is temperature otherwise am happy with my decision over all and using it with msi a620m-e motherboard easily
Undervolt and set max temp to 85.
12:45 12400 at stock with ddr5 beats 7500F 🥴🥴🥴
No
Now overclock 7500f to see if it can beat 14600kf
Is it already overclocked, it can't beat 14600k.
Now overclock 7500f and game over.
Already overclocked, watch the video.
@@ArtyomExplainsEng
You OC i5 by 600 but R5 by 200!!
At least you have to OC R5 up to 5.4