New Roland Fantom | Overview & Demo | Thomann
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- Jimmy Kresic and Jason have a deeper look at the new Roland Fantom. Is it the ultimate workstation?
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a huge upgrade for me from my roland xp80 who i love much but have sold after used it for 20 years and made over 300 songs. i save money now to get this new beast from roland is awesome...lovly demo of it good work.
Ivar Fritjof Hansen I loved the XP80 what a great workstation! You have a whole new world to look forward to within this epic machine //Jason
Too bad the sounds don’t sound much better than the XP-series either. Why couldn’t they use the Integra sounds in this? Sold my XP-30 back in 2004. Fantastic keybed and overall feel of the board though! But just very dull sounds.
Do you still have Roland XP80.
@@afzalinc no i dont have my roland xp80 anymore , i had it over 20 years
@@IvarFritjofHansen Yeah time to get out of the old and into the new! Amen brother. My XP-30 still holds memories for me. But those sounds just were never that good.
I'd love to get Jimmy's skills on a SD-card and insert it into my braindrive.
Hahahaha me too! //Jason
These guys smile at each other a lot.
What can I say, we had a lot of fun 😁 //Jason
Looks great , but what most people don't realise is that every roland rompler since the ninties already had 4 partials , each having its own filters + 2 lfo's +pitch envelope + amp envlope and osc structure
This new updated zen engine , which is basically the pcm engine with BETTER filters ( v.a.) and V.A osc's + real oscilator sync ( never been available on a roland rompler except the jd990 ) and crossmodulation .
Man!!!! This Keyboard is really a beast!!! A consumer dream🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
what a presentation!
Why thank you! //Jason
Could be the best funnest demo ever. Im getting one better believe it!
Thanks... We had a lot of fun with it.. glad you enjoyed //Jason
OMG! I would buy this instead of another MPC Live/X, this is huge. I am loving this thing, OMG! This is a winner. Is that a horizontal pitch bend also? I love the horizontal Pitch bend, plus the vertical Pitch bend and Mod wheel? OMG please say it's so ! What's the running price on this beast? It looks fantastic! I could use this with Reason 11 and go to town! It even has the Orb like in Omnisphere but it doesn't move like the Orb in Omnisphere. This is bananas! THIS HAS TO BE THE BEST KEYBOARD OUT RIGHT NOW!
You are not going anywhere , and certainly not to town
Thanks for this. The best Fantom review/demo on TH-cam.
Jimmy !!!! - The Man from the WORLD FAMOUS JUPITER 80 IN STORE DEMO VIDEO. you are amazing dude.
Jimmy is a fantastic demonstrator... I bought an JP-80 after see his demo... Jimmy is very dangerous for my money...
Totally! What a great player too //Jason
:-D :-D
But the other guy is a right dipstick ;)
WOW....Towards the end. and the Cinematic demo.. Very.. Impressive..!
The keyboard seems a bit noisy isn't it ??
Edit : but this machine is terrific !!!!
@@CraigScottFrost I own a Fantom FA 76 bought in 2001 and the keyboard is far more quieter than this one !! My opinion is that it must depend on the support you play it ;-)
When you pound on it like they did any quality keyboard will do that you don’t have to pound the crap out of your keys.
@@benjamindminor7552 They souldn't pound on it like that ... It's a shame isn't it ? ;-))
yes, it is a bit clicky, tried it today,
Fantom has noise. New machine but old sounds, low quality sounds. I wasted my money $4,150 for fantom. Just looks nice visually. Basically sound is most important not visual, handling. Roland missed it.
I was wondering and waiting for the new synthesizer by Roland to arrive, and they surprised me with this one and the others.
I bought the XP80 when it came out. That's all I needed. 👍 I updated with the Yamaha MX series. The only other Roland synth I liked was the JP8000 along with it's artifacts. This? Looks like a controller for a one man band / DJ performer. Get me the rackmount sound module.
I MUST GET MY HANDS ON THIS BABY ASAP !! SOME WAY SOME HOW !!! I NEED TO ADD THIS TO MY STUDIO SET UP THIS WILL BE A HUGE UPGRADE FROM MY YAMAHA PSR EW410 !! TIME TO GO TAKE OUT A LOAN !!!
You should all see what Gattobus does with this baby in his channel as well. He also tried the System 8 there. Awesome stuff
Chilly Rolandez 😎
Would have been nice to get a better recording of the sound of the synth vs the room sound.... but ordering one soon :-)
We recorded a lot of footage, including sound examples.. I feel for our editor as there was a lot to cut! I'd go and find one and ask for phones 😉 it's massive! //Jason
@@ThomannSynthesizers the keybed click recording through the room is very annoying. Ruins a very good demo.
What an amazing demo. I wonder how good the keybed of the smaller fantoms are for piano playing?
This kind of synth is absolutely not my cup of tea... BUT IT's SO AWESOME 😍!
I hear you.. it's rejuvenated the concept of the workstation.. and bit does it sound huge! //Jason
The synth action keys sounded really noisy though. This is Rolands best presenter. Great job. Have to check these keys out first.
To be honest it wasn't noticable in the room.. our mics are working extra hard here. Jimmy is a fantastic player and really cool guy 😎 //Jason
Roger Brenon hope there nothing like the fa 06.
@@dr.mindbender9882 wasn't the fa 06 pretty good? :)
Michael Danny the keys suck. They are plasticity and a little sticky.
This keyboard is CRAZY, couple it with Omnisphere, Alchemy or Falcon and you just reached god levels
OOOH its the Big one those crafty engineers at Roland hit this out the park!
the only limit is you imagination! now map some DMX lights via midi patches for a one man Rave monster or share the keys with a friend :)
You're totally right..it's epic! I'm sure time and firmware updates will get that sorted 🤔 //Jason
It was a little hectic and there was a little too much talking over the guy, but I loved one more look at this monster. It's not just a rompler or a V-Piano, it's a good sounding VA. And you can do weird things like you could do on JD-990 like sync PCM waveforms. Programmers will have a field day with Fantom. This is huge, and it sounds huge. I can hardly wait for one in my home.
David Brent
Jimmy’s got great paws!
One of these with a Yamaha Montage...🔥🔥🤩
You don't need any Montage! You eventualy need ONE MORE FANTOM!
Slobodan Markovic except it doesn’t have the magic single controller morph functionality of the Montage - so yeah the sequencer is much better on the Roland - hence both 👌😜
it has morph functionality although not a single knob. it's on the touchscreen and allows morphing between 4 sounds
80386 its not the same thing - that's patch remain - just a slicker version of the old Fantom X technology
🤷🏾♂️How was great music and sounds ever made before these boards came out?!?! They’re such must haves!!!🤷🏾♂️
I won't spend my money till the time I am very sure that this is the one I needed. Period. I need to try it first. Well Thomann gives 30 days money back guarantee, thanks Thomann..... but 30 days in not enough to test the keyboard because you are busy with other things in life also. You projects, deadlines, family and others..........
If I'm spending that amount of cash - I watch, read the manual and get down to play one.. it's got to be right. Then I don't need 30 days //Jason
Thomann Synthesizers - 30 days is more than enough! 😑 30 seconds in and I’m sold.😂☺️🤣
Can't figure out what the latency is like when used as an audio interface (on PC)
That's the only thing I'm skeptical about.
Jimmy is a PHENOMENALLY awesome performer here
No latency here, using the Fantom as audio interface for pretty memory/intensive stuff (Metropolis Ark Orchestra for example) :))
That depends on your PC driver
Same as above, no latency issues at all. Logic control is snappy fast. Recorded audio sounds great!
Great sounding interface components too, surprisingly low latency for USB 2.0 😉
I'm actually using this as my main interface now and put my Zoom Tac2 thunderbolt interface back in its box. This is a beast of a workstation!
Weird. You miked this from a speaker right? Check out gattobus for really nice sounds.
Loving the seamless preset change I already sold a kidney and cant afford to sell the one I have left unfortunately.
You guys are great! informative and entertaining! and likable! -Thanx maan! Good Job! ": )
Just bought one, can't wait till it arrives!
Gladto hear that! I'm sure you'll be delighted with it! //Jason
In fact this machine is very powerfull....But the quantity of sounds is only a specification.................Congratulations for this musician...
4:59 you can hear that this is a noisy keybed. It needs more damping like the keybed on the Summit. And also the aftertouch has zero feel or movement, it needs a slight movement so you know where you are.
I've spent an afternoon playing all three models, patch remain does NOT work properly with the V-Piano engine - works as expected with Zen core sounds.
It’s a known issue. V-Piano is a beast of an engine that solely one chip out of 4 chips is dedicated to V-Piano inside Fantom. The workaround is to use other types of pianos.
Great overview guys ... better start saving up again!!!! 😄🎶👍
Jimmy does a great job.
Just have one question in my mind. Sounds you played on this demonstration. It’s a presets or you own edited sounds.
23:05 that's Time! score from the movie Inception
Excellent demo guys. Well done. :-)
Many thanks.. glad you enjoyed //Jason
This is a great example and explanation of what is possible.
Glad you enjoyed it! //Jason
Is there too much key noise or can I change the key noice in the parameters?
Key noise is from out lav mics.. //Jason
29:57 JEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZUUUUUSS
It's not the "Ultimate" workstation but it's a damn good one. There's still some features I'd like to see added. I'll wait a while before I purchase one, I want to see what direction Roland goes with the updates.
It so is and so close but maybe with firmware updates.... What would you like to see? //Jason
@@ThomannSynthesizers well the sampler looks like it could be a bit better. The Motif sampler was so awesome that some hip-hop producers would chop records up MPC style then sequence the chopped audio. Multi-sampling and audio tracks in the sequencer would be nice as well. I could be overlooking somethings about the Fantom sampler, however I haven't seen anything indicating that it has those features.
@@gpr4eva That's right........ Multi-sampling and audio tracks in the sequencer is needed. Humble request to the Roland to the Roland team please make new Fantom a full workstation with coming firmware updates, even I'm ready to pay for the updates if I buy the Fantom. Hated computer DAW's when recording above basic idea's and when you are in creative workflow. Just think it's you and your workstation instead of computer and you are totally focused in producing your tracks! Very sad that Yamaha discounted or didn't add the sequencer in MONTAGE saying that they asked the professional and pros replied that they now a days record all in DAW instead in a workstation.
@@gpr4eva I have to say I loved my Yamaha A3000 - Always found Roland samplers a bit of a challenge TBH lets hope it can be improved with firmware //Jason
@@djjas764 It's why you'd want a workstation after all.. I didn't get a long enough play with the Fantom to dive deeper than what Jimmy demonstrated //Jason
super nice demo, thanks!
the keys seem very noise when touched?
It’s NOT seamless in V-Piano mode! Hopefully, an update will be available to fix this problem.
It’s a known issue. V-Piano is a beast of an engine that solely one chip out of 4 chips is dedicated to V-Piano inside Fantom. The workaround is to use other types of pianos.
Could you assign various V-piano parameters to knobs and sliders? Here he's selecting one at a time to be controlled by the big wheel. Would be cool to be able to fade 8 piano parameters at once!!
Wouldn't that be cool... There are some good Roland product support videos on TH-cam might be worth checking them out 😉 //Jason
Amazing keyboard sounds super also fantastic futures but very bad key noise. It’s question mark. I don’t understand why Roland didn’t gave serious thoughts before introducing the keyboard in market. Nice demo! ❤
The best Demo! Great!
Does it have a user friendly software for midi. Music notes sequence editing. What about export as wav or mp3?
does this Phantom 8 work with Ableton?
The Fantom. Is awesome.
My Fantom comes last Weekend from---- Thomann..
Iam happy
Great to hear you're enjoying your Fantom! Thanks for sharing //Jason
Super demo
Thanks! Jimmy is a superb player, which really helps showcase the Fantom! //Jason
how does it compare to the Yamaha Montage?
having the Zone/Part Select on the left over the channel is better than in that right button grid on the Montage . The PCM polyphony is double @256. It also has the full polyphony V-Piano engine using 1 Zone, which Montage takes up 4 Parts for the better pianos. Then there are only 8 Performance parts on the Montage vs 16 Zones on the Roland. No VA engine in the Montage, which is pretty advanced now on the Fantom. Fantom has stereo analog filter effect, dual CV/Gate. 4-part Motional vector pad on screen. Wheels AND joystick on the Fantom. Internal sampling/editing for the sample pads. No XLRs on the Montage, Fantom has XLR outs and combo/Neutrik XLR ins for the sampler or mic, with dedicated reverb. Better onboard sequencer.
Why would you buy a dated montage?
LOVE the "creepy" v-piano playing. Sounds perfect for soundtracks and even symphonic metal type stuff. And ragtime with the detuning. Very cool.
is the sample section same as FA-06?
cresshead yep. Not really a sampler
I'll buy it when they add linear sequencing !
Why do you need a linear sequencer when you have DAWs that it connects directly to? And if you don't want to use a computer juts use the pattern based sequencer and record directly into the patters at full length (like in a linear fashion). Would that work?
Does Roland have any plans for integration with Bitwig (1st choice) or Cubase (2nd choice) both running on PC?
Also does Roland have any plans to support MPE ... especially polyphonic pitchbend? Note that I’m not interested in using approaches to support polyphonic pitchbend that involve assigning multiple instances of one instrument, each to a different MIDI channel... unless there’s an easy way to edit all instrument instances simultaneously.
There a solid couple of questions for the Roland forum.. as has been pointed out Yamaha own Cubase, but surely they could license it... and MPE is so now surely there will be something ..//Jason
what melody with 26'26"???
you didnt talk about the analog filter but all is great. thanks
The player has some magic in his fingers .....
Nice presentation. Fantom has a vocoder? One arp per zone (multiples arps) or one common for scene? Future multisamples instruments loading? THX for your answers!
I'm curious about the multisampling myself. Apparently Roland isn't even using half of the machines full power. It's advertised as an Expanded Platform. Sounds like they tried to future proof it so that they can keep updating it to keep it relevant down the road.
@@gpr4eva AThink you're on to something. Aong with the 4 processors you get something like 20 DSP chips.. //Jason
@@ThomannSynthesizers unless the Kronos has a bigger and better successor this workstation will probably be at the top of it's class for at quite some time.
Black Moses Beats you say that, but when people use the Kronos, you hear great music! When people play this board, you hear great music. The real instrument is the person. These boards are all in the same neighborhood. The limits only exist in the mind of the one wielding them.✌🏾
Black Moses Beats it has vocoder and multisampling capasities.
Does the 76-key version have regular sized keys (white ones ca. 2.3 mm wide)?
I have a MODX7 from Thomann, but it was not mentioned that its keys are narrower (ca. 2.2 mm).
best fantom demo!
r a n d y Thanks Randy! //Jason
Great keyboard. I love it.
i wished i owned one.
Does anyone know if this Fantom has a "studio set" feature like the FA 08 has?
A scene on the Fantom is a similar 16 channel split/layer mode than a studio set is on the FA.
this thing is awesome but I know I cant afford it
It's a stunner for sure.. like he said..no expense spared! //Jason
Maris, If you say or know you can't afford then you are right. You will never have one. Basically Don't ever say you can't.
@@CraigScottFrost if I had anything that I could sell
Roland finance is way to go
Arrange a payment plan.
What is the theme song at 23:00?
Inception
On Yamaha Montage. When playing in live situations. Montage has 8 scene only ( 8 buttons ) below the mixing faders for Intro, verse, fills, bridge and so on. How this is possible in the new fantom? Like I wanted 3 intro scenes, 4 varations, one bridge, 4 fills , 1 break, 3 endings like it is on Korg Pa4X. Is this possible in live situation with the new fantom?
Wish I could tell you, I only saw the keyboard very briefly. The manual is available for download, that should have all the answers you need 😊//Jason
@@ThomannSynthesizers I am not manual reading person, but I can still try for it. Thanks for the suggestion it was in my mind before :-)
@@djjas764 thankfully you can search the PDF! Good luck //Jason
You have 16 assignable layer groups per Scene, switchable from the pads.
First, pa4x is arranger, fantom is a workstation. They are so diffrent. Most of live musicians use one arranger to fill base line of their music and use a workstation to build the arrangment.
Whatever this thing is, I do recommend it. Worship guys, Play it till you drop.
Good idea! My friend just bought one and is totally blown away! Glad you enjoyed //Jason
Can it be "upgraded" to Midi 2.0?
No mention of audio recording or sampling, and is it usb audio/midi CLASS compliant??
Music of Sound 17:25
desktop version available?
Guys nice video, but keybed is noisy as hell.
Ivan Jochner That’s down to us I’m afraid.. our mics were really hot and picked up more than your ears would. Keybed is not that noisy. Go try one and you’ll hear. //Jason
Another recycle sounds from roland. Nothing really new except for the computer connections and VST integration.. this board is great for studio works I believed... Manufacturers are doing good business, very good Roland.. ✌️
Unfortunately the Kronos 61-76 key versions are not road worthy and has built key-bed blunders.
I bought this fantom 2 days ago. Coming from a yamaha psr s900, it is uncomparable. It's like driving a family-car and thinking you're the Stig. And then driving a rolls royce witht the umbrella in the door option! The feeling of this keyboard is so nice, I want to keep playing on and on. Being a new kid on the block in Roland-land, I have a lot of things to find out. Hoping for some in depth tutorial vids in the future. A first thing I bumped into was: where is the song-database? I saved a song into a scene, but I don't know where the song database is located? any help would be appreciated.
Bram Lammens, coming from a Yamaha PSR S900?? What a ridiculous comparison! To be just as ridiculous I could say, “coming from my Roland D5 the Yamaha Montage is incomparable.” What a silly comment.
brohoop indeed. Hence my comment “its uncomparable” ;-)
Bram Lammens, 👍
great digital synth, great samples, and even a good sounding modeling engine for the piano....really cool that they went with an analog filter....though it is 2020, these guys should have by now been at least just tacking on a filter at the end of the signal path. What would be EXTRA cool, at $4000, is something slightly fancier, like a dual filter section with sweep through parallel to series, or JD-XA style 4 filter section. also would be cool to have at least one VCO voice. Imagine being able to split the keys, lowest two octaves on 2x VCO bass, then a modelled piano for four octaves, then some layered synth pad or lead on top, and each layer has its own VCF, thatd be soooo great, as great as this really is. I get this is better then anything yet, so i cant complain, but i can lament that the industry isnt bigger, that there arent more customers with high standards for all in one like this. Maybe now that theres the Prophet X and this, maybe it's a new trend.
How are the organs?
Why is everybody playing or showing always the same or similar the boring part of the sounds ? we taking over thousands of sounds but all similar boring paths we hear. Why are you not mention from a guitar or other important sounds?
I already order suppose to be the flagship of Roland 08 because the Korg pa 4x wasn't available I heard some guitar and all piano or sax org was super described on all ower youtube for the Korg pa 4x but I didn't see or hear any Roland playing something lively, all same boring mellowed sounds I only saw and liked it the Roland Fantom 8 has been tested together with Yamaha Montage without taking gentleman was playing both together I think it was towards the last part of the video was super sound wee coming from both. by the way right now while I was writing this some good sound was coming from 15:00 minutes around the video
Love it.
It has auto accompaniment ehh like arranger keyboard
Hat das eigentlich einen Grund weshalb aus dem Fantom 6 plötzlich am Ende ein Fantom 8 wurde?
Starting at 29:50 just wow!
Based on feel, features and function, which would you buy... Fantom 8, Montage 8, Kronos 88?
As a UI/UX designer, I can say an easy to use keyboard makes a HUGE difference. Fantom is an easy to use keyboard and they nailed the UI/UX. I have a Fantom 6 and there is nothing like it in the market.
Sounds are secondary - we can download them (up to 10,000 tones from Roland Cloud for free with lifetime unlock using serial number), purchased more available for purchase or designed on our own. If you buy a keyboard with great sounds but the UI sucks big time that you don’t even want to use it, that’s a bummer and a real waste of money.
@@MobileMusic So grateful for your input!
Just like cars with stick shifts, rackmount versions of keyboard synths are going extinct unfortunately 😥
What an amazing machine though. Great presentation 👍
In sounds?Still hesitate between montage(mode),Korg Kronos(nautilus),Roland fantom and kurzweil pc4
As a UI/UX designer, I can say an easy to use keyboard makes a HUGE difference. Fantom is an easy to use keyboard and they nailed the UI/UX. I have a Fantom 6 and there is nothing like it in the market.
Sounds are secondary - we can download them (up to 10,000 tones from Roland Cloud for free with lifetime unlock using serial number), purchased more available for purchase or designed on our own. If you buy a keyboard with great sounds but the UI sucks big time that you don’t even want to use it, that’s a bummer and a real waste of money.
19 Yamakorg owners so far knows they bought a toy instead of a real instrument from Roland.
Not really the MODX has a newer implementation of fm & patch compatible with the legendary DX7 something the Fantom can't do on the other hand the Fantom is compatible with all the other sounds in the current Roland line up of synths , so it depends on what you're after they will appeal to many different players.
Thats like saying " BMW and Mercedes owners so far knows they bought a toy instead of a real car from Ford smh
i think its not unimportant, that the last beauty he plays is from chilly ganzales, but can tell me someone whtats the name of it ?
I got it myself: "white keys" Chilly Gonzales
Looks like a synth sequencer GENOS.
I can imagine yamaha sounds with this powerful features and tweaks. Roland and yamaha should join forces. Roland piano is fabolous tho.
Wut about drum KIts for modern hip hop trap ?
all the tr drums 808, 909 etc. are in the Fantom.
coooll excellent sir
Hmm... the expert guy and the funny, clueless guy spewing amazement with dramatic facial expressions... where have I seen this before? Can I use the Fantom slicer to slice onions with no tears or will the tears only come with a delay when it breaks in 2 weeks? Guess I'll find out soon because I ordered one, even though you didn't offer a second unit at the same price when I call within the next 5 minutes. :D
Andertons?
I have seen many videos of that keyboard, it seems built for electronic music producers, it contains nothing for Latin genres, so we must discard it for our needs.
What makes you think that ?
There will be an update with will give you the supernatural acoustic sound from te integra 7
Cubase DAW Integration?
Sensium - owned by Yamaha.
Der Kresic schon wieder...... :-)
Oh yes! //Jason