Is There An Iron Age Fortress Under This Welsh Housing Estate? | Time Team
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- This week, we join Tony Robinson and the rest of the Time Team as the guys head to Caerau Hillfort, to unearth the remains of an ancient hill settlement discovered in Cardiff.
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"For an archeologist, this is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on."
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@@the_rover1 I love you
Favorite quote from this episode!
Fun to see Phil and Tony verbally sparing there. Great to see Naomi on a site and Matt and Ian and the others you do not always see on the show.
As much fun as you can have with your clothes on, as Tony says.
Love that Francis haha. He’s always soo excited about what he does. His voice is awesome to haha
When John and Frances are arguing, why don't they have Phil come over with this trowel and give them an answer in 5 or 10 minutes? I've never seen anyone better at telling a story from changes in color on the ground.
Please put original air date in the description.
Francis and Tony are having way too much fun with that wehicle.
I love the mare & foal staring at them wondering what those fools are doing in their steep pasture.
I miss Time Team :( it should be brought back
If I only had time...
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I keep going back to the beginning... 20 years wasn’t enough!
The original producer has announced new Time Team coming from Patreon.
They have started filming afaik for a new season in 2021
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Good news, it is coming back. The original creator is keeping the dream alive on youtube now.
"Corn" could refer to any grain here, but it will probably be either barley or wheat. The word corn usually refers to a dominant cereal grain: today in the UK to wheat; in the US, to maize (or "sweetcorn" as we would call it in the UK), which was the dominant cereal when first settled by Europeans.
thank you. I just reached that segment and became very confused.
Maize isn't sweet corn. It's a corn almost like field corn fed to livestock. Sweet corn isn't that old of a grain
The old varieties of what a modern person calls corn or maize in the US are quite interesting grains. There is a sort of movement in the South to preserve old grains. Stone ground corn grits have been a signature feature on New American style restaurants. Here, New American means not just your boring meat and potatoes traditional meal that clearly comes from our British ancestors. Farm to table ingredients, local sourcing, skillfully cooked proteins, etc. There is a whiskey distillery here in Texas that makes products from a native blue corn. Makes a fascinating, rich corn whiskey. I believe that Balcones can be found in London and some other UK cities.
Corn also refers to pieces of salt. Where corned beef comes from.
Thank you. I also was confused knowing 'corn' as understood by an American, didn't arrive in Europe until the 15th century :)
Where’s John? Where’s Stuart? Where’s Helen? Where’s carenza?
"tis n ironage pint innit" :D
Loved that! 🍻
But hunny, I only had one. =)
I must say i like the Phil shown in the earlier episodes, much softer and kinder person that is far less assertive and aggressive than the one shown here.
Just so everyone knows, CORN is an English from England word referring to any type of grain. The corn from the American Continent is actually called Maize. This is because the English and the Spanish (mostly) named what they found based on their own language, not how they were known to the Native Americans (who by the way, are not just from the USA, but from ALL the American Continent)
In the UK you use the American term "Native Americans" or "American Indian" which somehow implies that even though they were here well before the US they are still American. In Canada we use First Nations, Indigenous and Aboriginal, all indicating that their cultures predate British, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc colonisers. We are Canadians, we don't live on the American continent, we live in North America, or in the Americas.
@@gregaldworth1200 *Canada* is part of the *North American* continent.
@@gregaldworth1200 lmao Canada is part of the North America which is an American continent.. so you live in an American continent
Tony means wheat when he says "corn", for my USA friends.
Predicate ya.
-The Yanks
And he calls corn, “maize”.
Corn and wheat ARE not the same. I'm a farmer
Corn is maize. Wheat IS flour
Corn is an ancient term for small grain.
They should have taken that drinking cup they made down to the local pub and asked if any of the regulars would be able to empty it. I'm pretty sure there would be quite a few who could drink four pints.
The west country archeologist is too much. I love'em!
Every time they did an aerial view of the site we would see what looks like a fort at one end of the hill. It was frustrating because it seems as if they were intentionally ignoring something obvious.
It's probably a more recent fishpond or something similar.
If Stewart Ainsworth did not find it worth investigating, that's good enough for me. 😀
Need a good deed radar reading
Looks obvious though.. that's just logical
Thinking about the very last line to come out of Tony's mouth. Its 9/2021, and I was thinking those words will never be spoken on TV again.
Only archeologists would say "no, it really is a nice ditch!"
reminds me of the younger years, discovering "ancient" graves
at an holiday resort digging up flint hand axes and trying to start a fire
by rubbing 2 squirrels together.
Would it be an ascent or not to purchase a second hand ( or new) sod cutter. Phil and the boys/girls sure do love their work. I never seen a man get so excited over rocks and dirt. Yes the history is so important and educational.
Boys are always excited about rocks and dirt. Time immemorial.
"Just about as much fun as you can have with your trousers on." I've watched many many episodes and never heard that one before. haha
I love how time team always seems to try to bring in locals to help teach them as well as enlist their help. I never had anything like that growing up and now I'm a bitter unenthused 30 year old. I'm just jealous.
Why are you jealous and unenthused? Is 30, well I guess you are 31 now, too old to learn from these folks? Just because you weren't lucky enough to live in an area where the time team would be working doesn't stop you from benefiting from their work.
Most Americans are bitter. By the time we hit 30, we realize we were lied to. Then disillusionment occurs. After that, we spend the rest of our lives trying to do the best we can with what we have. Bwahahahaha.
My favorite Tony Robinson documentary is the one that shows who the REAL Royal family is!
I like when young people are involved
I wonder how far they had to go for water.
Love this show.
4:40 Iron Age ? wtf ? I look at the initial overview and immediately see what, in New Zealand, would be instantly recognized as a Maori Pa site. That is Stone Age ! Things about this pa are the ramp, the size and the flatness of the plateau. How many guys would it take to defend those palisades from a concerted attack - hundreds. So this is on a colossal scale with a huge population to draw on. The ramp is cow friendly. Most are not. This means that herds were protected on the top as well as families. This does help account for the enormous size. The flatness of the top would have taken years of work, and yet there are ditches dug through it. This indicates a long intensive occupation that may have reworked the plateau several times over. This all suggests the surrounding area was rich cattle grounds, possibly even intensive.So they dig across a ditch that has to be later than Stone Age.
5:40 Tony's criticism of Neil Sharples is right on point.
For crops to be grown on the plateau a water source would be needed. The plateau certainly appears to have garden/grazing areas. But this would only work in a wet climate. The stone age climate may have been wet enough but certain events like volcanoes disrupting climate may have cause it to fall into disuse a number of times.
This isn’t New Zealand it’s England that’s two totally different cultures in two totally different parts of the world who did things completely different than one another.
@@lonewolftech Pa sites are like mini hillforts so there is a similarity in concept. The difference is that the pas were occupied during the middle ages up to the late 19th century while the hillforts in the British Isles were largely abandoned by the middle ages in favour of castles with the exception where castles occupied former hillfort sites.
Me mam was from South Wales thanks for this episode to all the team fabulous
thank you
Good old Ian Barclay sitting in the JCB thinking could you stop jawing and let get to work.
Please don't stop making the videos, Love them Time Team
I'm afraid that this *Channel4* production finished a few years ago after 20 successful years. Every *Time Team, Time Team Special* and most *Time Team America* programmes have been posted on YT by *Fillask, Reijer Zaaijer* and the _official_ *Time Team* channel.
We've been digging for 2 days and haven't found anything. Are we digging in the wrong place?
That's why he makes the big money.
Excellent!
Fort is a military ficility.
Ford is a place in a river where people or animals could pas.
Like hertford cowford etc.
Vancouver is from Couvorden in the east of the Netherlands, meaning where the cows could pass the water.
The background music on the "newer" episodes makes these almost unwatchable for me.
So interesting as i was born in Ely Cardiff left when i was 7 to BC Canada ,, most relatives were there incl my Grandma who lived on Cowbridge Rd , I loved your show before this here in Canada bit do happy to see this Amazing!!!
Also ti know bout the Welsh language of my family ThYou
At about 27:00 Tony talks about grinding "corn" under the stone they found. Problem is that corn was a New World food and not available. Other grains, absolutely, but not corn.
Brits call all grain "corn".
@@AnnaAnna-uc2ff I had hopes they would be more specific.
Illustration from the beginning after the Satellite zoom in to Cardiff? It was 3-d.
Given that the site predates the Romans, who fought a 25 year guerilla war against the locals (per the reference in the show), wouldn't they have razed any settlement that might have posed a potential resistance point? If not initially, then over the course of 25 years of warfare, perhaps that might explain the lack of finds?
I wonder if they found anything when digging out the side of the hill to make way for that highway.
My question is, how does a single piece that dates that far back enough to date the site accordingly when everything else indicates a much younger age? Did nobody at the time collect things from older generations or other places? Isn't it just as possible that somebody had an "antique" bit of crockery, possibly passed down through the family or maybe just collected? It seems pretty obvious that it was a community of some size, but the age of the site seems pretty unclear. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like you would need to dig deeper and see if you could find more, similar aged, artifacts in other locations in order to safely make a claim of the sites possible age being early iron.
Sounds like, to me at least, is because that pot sherd is so old it's thought improbable to have been kept around for the better part of a thousand years. Til the time of the later Celtic-roman stuff they found here. I believe it was a livestock enclosure.
I think u r overthinking this a bit my friend.
Perhaps they actually found the exhibition to the archeological museum of the old town
Or you could extrapolate from other iron age forts: we know roughly when forts of that type were being developed. Which is also why they expected to find something earlier than Romano-British in the first place. And we know it was probably made on site, because people didn't wander around with those things: they lived in fixed communities. But even if it did come from outside, it won't realistically be much earlier (a few years, maybe a decade or two) because those things actually didn't last for generations. They were functional utensils, not prized possessions. So taken together, you can be reasonably confident of approximate date.
The answer to this is based on the condition and edges of pottery and items. Items with sharper edges and less wear mean they were broken or lost near where found and didn't travel far, as opposed to items passed through generations that wear over time. The exception is coinage, which was re-minted often esp roman.
I have carpal tunnel in my hands from driving a school bus 🚌 for 20 years. I would expect archeologists to have the same problem. Constantly working your hands the same way is so very damaging.
Love this 👍👍👍😊😊🤗❤️❤️
Oh Lord, i Miss it, too
who knew, Phill had beautiful nails
Phil is a very accomplished guitarist when he isn't grubbing in the dirt. Wish my nails looked that good😒
20:18 more of the wholesome edgy humor we have come to know,love, and expect from time team. Hahaha lol
Grinding corn in Europe before the Tudor period? Is corn a generic name for grain that I'm not aware of?
yea Herne the hunter intresting stuff
I see Mr. Pryor in many shows to this day and Horton as well too of the best in In the Uk;.....
Not the motte and bailey castle i clicked but iron age Celtic hillfort is also cool 😎
At the 41:20 point "... if you had that to yourself you'd be quite ill I'd think." Clearly, she's never been to Wisconsin!
so many comments about corn.
corn=wheat,barley etc in the UK.
There’s John!
how were they grinding corn if it hadn't been introduced in Europe until the discovery of the new world?
The music in the background is very distracting.
I love the British banter in this LOL
Why was those hill forts not reused during the medieval times?
Some were like Edinburgh Castle.
Hi there,
By medieval times, there was a lot more governance and it was safer to live in villages on flatter ground again.
Hill Forts made use of height for security, visibility and defence purposes but they were subject to the weather elements and far from water and their crops.
When things got safer, communities moved to more practical places.
😉
A Hill Fort is what currently is called a Homeowners Association, a PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.... ..
Oh my god!! Baldrick?!?!
Celeste music original or added by timeline?
If I’d known that archaeology were essentially a game of Battleship I would have studied harder in school lol
Why did they think those beer mugs (if that is what they were) we communal? The idea that it would make one person sick does not hold water in my opinion as I would think that passing around a single mug would encourage faster drinking. Are there actual evidence that this kind of mugs were (or are in some modern cultures) used for communal drinking?
What season is This,
13 Jan. 2013 series 20 episode 3.
WHO added that annoying music so I can't hear what they say?
That’s the first time I’ve heard glaciers pronounced “glassiers”. 🤓
Dumb question, but maybe they struggled to find Iron Age artefacts because it was continuously inhabited through the Roman era and consequent inhabitants effectively cleared the site? If you move into a new house you wouldn’t leave the last inhabitants’ rubbish in your garden, idk
They were NOT grinding corn.
I don't know whyI can't help Losing interests when they have kids as the archaeologist in the episode
The Harry Potter like music was a little bit out of place in a Time Team video.
I could dig through an ancient armoury and never see it.
four pints, a bit much? lol he did not go to university dorms it seems. lol four pints was just lubrication to get started in the frat house lol
Does anybody know the name of the song played underneath the overvoice in 10:21 - 11:11 and 27:44 - 28:57?
First one sounds like it is from the movie Halloween . Same with the rest .
When they say corn grinding I presume they mean einkorn wheat rather than maize/corn. Am I right?
In the terminology of European and UK archaeology, "corn" is the word for any cereal grains, and they generally specify "maize" for the plant called "corn" in the U.S. Technically, it's the Americans who are using the word wrong, but "maize -on-the-cob" just doesn't have the same ring.
The brown tokens are comedy.
What's with the strange music?
Why did he say they where grinding up corn? It was around 27:20 I believe he said they used those going stones for corn??? There’s non possible way wen it’s an Iron Age stone and corn didn’t make it too europe till the 1500’s.....idk just thought it was odd if any1 else noticed that 🤷🏽♂️
In UK corn is not maize
Ppl use opera browser no ads.....
If the grinder was broken why aren't the rest of broken pieces in the same place.?
Because it was probably thrown in a heap when first broken and the pieces got separated when the heap was later used to help fill in the ditch. You'd only get a complete broken item if it broke around the time the ditch was being filled in and all the bits were thrown in at the same time.
You can't call them "undateable post holes" in the year 2020. That's really offensive to some people.
I dont understand lol Also, Timeline posts really old documentaries most of the time. This show ran 28 December 1997 -; 7 September 2014
midorialexandros it’s a joke ‘undateable’ = can’t get a (romantic) date
Maybe the posts were asexual and didn't want to date.
🤣🤣🤣
7:32 maybe I'm just an American but I thought that was dynamite
Did they kiss on that "GATOR" cart in the first two minutes of the episode??!!??
Tony is awesome story teller, but is there anything in UK other then something by a poodle parked 10 miles underground? :)
Um Tony, sipping from communal pints is how we get Covid-19...
lol yes time traveling covid brilliant
Is it just me or does the time team seem to always miss areas where trees would have to be removed?
*bigDbigDbigD*
It's just you.
In some areas the local laws and some environmental laws prevent them cutting down trees and shrubs. They have to get permission to dig in those areas from the land owner or town authorities and it’s not always given.
These sites often include the only woodland left in an area so chopping down old trees to maybe find part of an old house foundation is not worth it.
Is it a Motte and Bailey, as the title calls it? I have not yet heard a hillfort classed as a (precursor to a) motte and bailey, aren't they rather later generally?
No, the title is wrong. Hill forts were centuries before Motte and Baileys which appeared with the Normans after the Battle of Hastings. So you are right and whoever titled this download wasn't Lol
you would be looking for Cardiff Castle, which is 2 or 3 miles west of there.
The title I see is 'ancient hill fort settlement', so they must have corrected the error.
The problem with Britain...There's just TOO MUCH to investigate. Here is an obvious ancient fortress...just sitting there...something everyone can see... and everyone has a theory as to its use....and people are just NOW beginning to study it? WHAT!!!!????
noice
It’s a commune? LMFAO! Build a wall to keep the deer out you may as well say! 🤣
To me it seems like such a ridiculius question at 07:00 "why in such a militaristic way?"..... because in the absence of UN peace keeping forces (or really with them around as well) you don't keep your harvest for a split second by singung "cumbah yah" and offering to share everything with anyone that knocks on your roundhouse door!?....... Such a pathetic view of nature and or humanity! (No offense - love the show in general and Tony as a presenter.... but really: that question is on par with: "why would you store food before the first snowfall?"
I chose the wrong career. I wish that I dug for artifacts for a living. I already am a Metal detectorist but in Illinois and Southern WI there’s nothing older to find other than the mid 1700’s and that would be extremely lucky. Amazing the many years of humanity in Europe compared to so much of the rest of the world.
You are better off than me, Im in Northern California and the best i can do with my detector is the Mid-1800s. Haha
What is ur oldest find?
There were natives living here for 1000s of years, they just weren't using metal.
plenty of indian artifacts though.....
Pretty sure everyone in the area knew about it could be a hill fort....
Im sure Britain would find a lot more artifacts if they'd stop bulldozing sites to build subdivisions.
Why do you only ever get 3 days for these dogs?
OFF-TOPIC Q 2 Tony Robinson: Would you be willing to explore the age old question of dragons. #1: Where does the idea of the dragon come from? If, true like some experts say, and the dragon WAS NEVER REAL but rather a (truly) mythological creature created as a sociological way of explaining societal 'ills'; then HOW is it that the physical written and artistic (drawn) description has NEVER CHANGED and is ALWAYS THE SAME: i.e. with an elongated body, spiked scales or protrusions emanating from the dorsal of the body, light colored eliptical eyes, etc. How is it that anyone even knew HOW to create such a creature in the first place?
Would love to see you tackle this question in a later broadcast. Thanks for considering my question.
You build a “Fort” for protection, if it’s strong and well done all the better. A sense of community? People working together to stay alive in relative safety on top of a hill.
Where did Mick Aston go??
He wasn't available for this episode.
Mick left the programme prior to series 20.
He died in 2013....unfortunatly. R.I.P.
Why did they start making such odd musical choices? Strange
Let's check somebody's math: 10 houses X 10 people/house = 1800 people? Perfect. Must have been a math major.
He says 80 to 100. I had to go back and listen again because I heard 1800 the first time, too.
Lol best you go for a audio test🦻🦻🦻
It is a real cunning plan.
wait... corn in iron age Britannia? i thought corn was introduced from the Americas much later.
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary in British English corn has also the additional meaning of the grain of a cereal grass that is primary crop of a region (e.g. wheat in England)
@@brufu79-23 English is stupid.
Right. I was like ???
Corn is what a grain would be called, like wheat millet, etc. What the Americas calls corn many in europe call maize So think of the word corn meaning cereal grain and no corn on the cob yet. There are many words that have different meanings between places.. Potatoes are there way earlier than they can understand.
Dried taters=corn because englosh.