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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Banggood: goo.gl/6Hx8Gu
After making this video I tried a flight with a 3S 2200mAh battery, no camera onboard (AUW=634g), and got 70 minutes! This is measured from full charge until the alarm sounds (3.3v under load). The first 1/3 of the flight was slow level cruise at about 40% throttle, the remainder was mostly long slow climbs and glides. Battery cells were at 3.54v a few minutes after landing.
This seems to be a frequently asked question on this video, so I'll pin it here..... I live in New Zealand.
LOL.
I was asking myself that same question.
Your accent gave it away, my fellow Keewee :) .
*8x8 !!!* If the plane is slippery enough, this ought to give you 95mph + AND Clime Rate of 8 inch Prop. I don't know if your 20amp ESC will be enough, but you might want to unwrap it, so it cools better.
Looks like lumpy country in the North Island, Waikato maybe?
I thought it was Heaven, maybe Iowa.
I might have guessed the land of the Kiwi....for my money the single most beautiful collection of breathtaking scenery and super cool people on earth...from one who has been around the world a few times...
He thinks I'm not paying attention!
Andrew Newton: He even copied your tip-stall technique! :o)
Yes, luckily without damage
your videos are way better than this guys effort
Busted!!! LOL!!!
Andrew Newton Arrrrrr across the ditch rivalry will it ever end!
At least we can count to six with our female friends without getting slapped Chris. At least thats been the on going joke with my cousin and I and where in our late 40s. Do you ever actually grow up? Hope not.
With that gliding ratio you should change the prop to a folding one to eliminate drag and get the max out of it ;)
Your content is a oasis from all the clickbait sounrronding me. Thank you
unbelievable scenery, beautiful
Much of New Zealand is like this, especially Taranaki (which this isn't).
There are few places here that aren't a stones-throw from places like this. I'm from hawkes bay, but just about everywhere i've been around the country there is great natural beauty
Thanks for a very informative video. At first I did not quite like the looks of this wing, but after seeing it fly and hearing your comments, it does kind of grow on you. I may just have to buy one myself! thanks for sharing and being so impartial about your review. It's quite refreshing.
15:45 "A little bit of tweaking and twiddling works wonders sometimes doesn't it"...as a millions of years of evolution bug flies past the camera and out toward the plane :)
Nice. You're making me homesick for mine that's 1,200 kilometers away and has been for several years thanks to a very bad motorcycle accident that's meant I'm now living in a very different area and haven't been able to do anything.
I really should have bought 2 of these, I may still do, because when I looked at them I could see that nice thin wing and see it both making a good slippery glider but with some modifications a fairly serious speed machine, I went with turning mine into a speed machine :-).
I removed their silly canopy since there's nobody in there to need to look out of it and made my own out of carbon fibre and kevlar weave in a gentle curve matching the shape of everything else so it's a bit like a low cockroach looking canopy. Next I got the dremmel into that whole engine pod thing and carved it down and even carved the ply engine mount plate between the screw mount points as far as I was game to get as much clean air flow to the prop and motor as possible, the severely lowered canopy also helped there then ran a quarter inch carbon tube from the very top of the engine plate forward to glue to the carbon wing spar so the motor couldn't flex forward under power. Next I stuck a Turnigy (marked "Durafly") 2836 2,200kv motor on it, a ridiculous 100amp speed controller and even though that motor is only rated up to 3S I stuck a 3,000mah 4S in it spinning a spare AXN 5X5 prop. Surprisingly even though I tried a variety of props including expensive ones of different and even the same size and pitch in so called top brands that AXN one ALWAYS performed best. You should hear that thing scream at full throttle spinning that prop at those insane revs lol. I was bit by bit trying to beat wing flutter. At first I was getting it at around 130 to 140 kph ( I put a tiny GPS logger in it to keep track of what improved and what didn't) and did things like using strips of 3X1mm carbon slitting the foam and pushing it into these slits then running along that with thin CA then smoothing that off, a strip of red wing tape along the leading edge to make that smoother and various strips of fibre reinforced tape etc then test try something and test again. The wing shape isn't ideal for really high speed as you need to add reflex and as it gets faster the foam elevons aelevators or whatever you want to call them would flex under the forces and what happened on the very last run was both servos stripped their cheap plastic gears under the forces involved but, I had previously been getting 185 kph out of it and it was just after I started another speed run when they died and it immediately nose dived. Thankfully I must have been really quick off the throttle as it did hit the ground hard and at great speed but it had leveled out some so surprisingly despite the motor being about 100 feet away and the battery almost as far and way to squashed to keep the model itself WILL fly again, it had fairly minimal damage surprisingly. I'll have to make a new engine mount but apart from that and a bit of steaming to just get a few slight bumps out it survived surprisingly well.
I want and am pretty certain with pretty much exactly the same setup (stronger servos and maybe an attempt to remove a bit of the curve across the wing from front to back so it's not trying to rotate itself down at high speed and further stiffening up of the elevons I'm pretty sure it'll get there.
Now I should buy another one and do similar things with the silly lumpy canopy and engine mount but, everything else will be about being as slick as possible, as light as possible with a motor that just enough to climb on a gentle angle with a small and light battery and it should make an excellent little cheap glider.
FYI. Just an idea that could save you possibly cutting tendons all down the index finger on one hand, I used an easily bought from Hobbyking nylon wing skid mounted under the nose to help protect it on landings, cut and smoothed off that bump they put there and notched out the rear of that skid enough to make a loop on the end of a length of bungee rubber and put a peg in the ground to stretch it back then let it go while holding some elevator and after letting go I'd hit the throttle. Holy crap that thing would accelerate! I even tried flying just slow and steady then pulling the nose up and hitting full throttle at the same time. My mind couldn't seem to make my eyes follow it as it shot up so fast I don't think my mind could accept that it actually was accelerating vertically at so much speed.
This is an old video so I hope yours is still flying but, things do happen so who knows, at least they are cheap and surprisingly tough as well.
I bet you never thought anyone could get 185 kph out of one though lol.
Such a stunning backdrop. What a fantastic back yard. Wish I had that where I live.
10:26 what a beatiful landscape!
That is one beutiful scenery! And amazing how You managed to keep the plane in the air in that wind and rain!
Beautiful scenery 👍👍👍 I haven't even got an rc plane, but still I stayed till the end 😲😎👍 nice video 👍👍👍
They make a great night flyer, being so quiet, fit a night eagle and cruise fpv by full moon..
with night vision
edstar83, yes, the Night Eagle is the ultimate night vision camera. Full moon is like a sunny day, only B&W.
Full moon with RC Night Eagle is AWESOME! Check my vids, I'll have to check yours bro!
I enjoyed your video. It was edited nicely. I felt as if you were showing me your experience with your plane as if I was your friend. When you lost control...I felt it. Not much damage...just fly a little more throttle.
I have 1, for a bout a year now. It flys great and FOREVER!
Great Video I LOVE IT!!!! Perhaps one of the best planes I ever have, it actually have a really good penetration (Little power consumption great speed & climbing rate) I'm up to my third one!! for some reason it have been for me next to impossible to set up an auto/pilot/Vtx system....easy transport, simple handling, great slope flyer under strong winds...Love this plane "Advisable to keep it nose heavy to avoid stalling" once stock in the spin of death is next to impossible to recover
I am so envious of your flying site. From California.
What a beauty, very streamline! Love it.
The views are just stunning!
Nice look at this little wing. Built mine about a year ago and built it to go fast which it does very well. 970 grams and no issue with tip stall but you have to watch it. Strongly recommend carbon fiber rods in the nose to prevent smushing it. Using a 4s 3300 battery and a high kv motor mine does 170 kph level. It does this without any type of stabilization and flies really well. I fly FPV and is probably one of the smoothest wings I have. Look close at the airfoil on each wing... they are said to be different.
Good to know it can go heavy and fast as well as light and slow, quite versatile it seems
NICE VID. AND GREAT JOB!! I WOULD USE A S/SKY 2216 ON 3S AND 40A ESC.THIS FUSELAGE IS FAST AND STRONG,IT CAN TAKE A BIT MORE SPEED PUNISHMENT AND KEEP THE GLIDER CHARACTERISTICS BEYOND AVERAGE!! YOUR SETUP IS GREAT FOR LONG FLIGHTS WITH GOOD SPEED!!
So beautiful!
Thanks for the videos mate - have learned a lot from you.
wow, cant believe how easy and stable it fly , great post
Great video. I am just about to maiden mine, so all these small tips about CG, elevator start-point and flight times are very much appreciated. Only thing missing in mine is the INAV, but that will be ready in a week or two. :)
I used to worry about the fences on the approach path, and those big tall conifer trees at the old place, but you have a whole new set of challenges here! Makes for great viewing tho'. Great video thanks.
I did make a custom made mold so I could make my own canopy for this particular plane! It's sad that this plane is getting so hard to get ones hands on!! I mean there are a few chinese suppliers that still have it!! but shipping cost to dam much!! I love this plane and was hoping to one day use it for FPV... but it isn't looking to good right now! thanks for the video I greatly enjoy it...
Nice design and good report. Thanks!
Ya know, I didn't like the looks of this plane until I saw this. It looks so nice in the air as it glides past and holy hell, an hour on a 2200 3s?? That "not really ideal" motor/prop setup maybe is ideal? (ps your new digs are so beautiful. That sunset was awesome.)
Yeah I think that gutless motor setup actually does have its advantages :)
Hehehe!!!
I have the same plane and I agree up close is unremarkable. But flying it looks very elegant.
Gorgeous country side!
Mind if you share your equipment? Looks like banggood doesn't carry them any longer. I like your video quality and would like to know more about the video equipment you have used. I assume it wasn't included in the kit or recommended. Thanks.
I’m thinking if you put a lighter battery in this it would really float!
I have one too....My Elevons ended up same as yours, and the CG.....It's a great plane, perfect for FPV cruising. A very shallow glide slope, especially when it has no FPV gear in it. Still air to fly in, and a slope to chuck it off, what more could you ask for?
She did waggle herself just before that tip stall, it was crosswind and very slow. That very undulating landscape is going to be bumpy down low in any kind of wind, regardless of direction...Its very scenic though.
Not much waggle that time, but other times there was some. I should have made more of a point of the tip-stalling actually, because it was more prevalent than I made it look in the video.
Great video Dude..... Awsum flyer after your tinkerings 😉 and the penny dropped !!! New Zealand you !!! I'm near motueka,,,, your footage reminds me of the waikato area ?😉😎
Yes, Waikato
@@iforce2d I've really enjoyed your vids, keep up the great work 😉😎
Yes, flying wings are very efficient though they always seem to like to run with a bit of reflex.
Awesome. Helps to to have a beautiful place to fly too.
beautiful sunset.
Nice few flights..
had to laugh at some of the antics....
Hope you really found the IDEAL cg (Level flight with no trim at 1/2 power is often useful)...
Always good to have more elevon throw than you need (as long as the servos can handle it)., and just use dual or triple rates to reduce the throws for sedate/ precise flying allowing for aerobatic manoeuvres etc....
Sometimes for Long thin ailerons (elevons) a second servo 1/3 in from the other end improves performance ("small" weight penalty) as it reduces the washout effect that happens with foam control surfaces.
Lots of room to experiment with on flying wings.
Above all don't forget that stall only results from one thing, too much aft elevator stick (or applying elevators too quickly - accelerated stall) jk..... good to see you're having fun.
What about some numbers,, what is the level cruise speed at a known power setting in watts, ie 20m/s at 100w, then tell us what its range is in time at that speed.
Id like to find what are some really good airframes for long range fpv and some apple to apple numbers would be awesome,
I'll soon post up the foam 2.5m asw28 results
Awesome wing very impressive :-) thanks for the view and ride mate greetings from Denmark Lase
Nice carpet, better than your last digs, great scenery too. Hope you get some footage of the topdressing when it happens.
Yeah it's new carpet. Not sure how you could know about the old carpet because it was so embarrassing I made sure to never get it on camera... or maybe I slipped up somewhere :)
I like that canopy! ;)
Thank you very much!!! This was most helpful. Hope you are a teacher, because you are very good at it.
I knew Banggood had some stuff but I didn't know how they'd stand up? Good
review & they are currently on backorder if you go to the site to buy 1 ……
Have you bought any electronics for RC from them? peace
yes, almost all the R/C gear I have
iforce2d, now im reconsidering buying the rainbow wing. I have about 9 zippy 2200s lipos that i could use in this and my quad.
Would adding a fpv cam/transmitter along with runcam 2 still achieve >30mins flights?
great vid per usual
imo the rainbow was pretty crap, I would definitely reconsider that one :) I think you could still get 30 min with a light FPV setup. Keep in mind that my weak motor setup is probably helping with the efficiency, and you would need a very calm day as well.
BACANA AMIGO! NESTA ÁREA PARA SEGURAR A ASA PARA LANÇAMENTO, EU COLEI UMA LIXA FERRO Nº 100, CORTADA NUM FORMATO OVAL. AGORA DÁ PARA SEGURAR BEM FIRME A ASA. ABRAÇO!
Great video! I might have to pick up one of these...
Very nice review indeed from beginning to end. Ha ha I was hollering "adjust the up trim" LOL as you were playing with the CG. You sold me I have one on order but they are on B/O at the moment. When it just fell out of the sky, I re-played it a dozen times to try and see what happened. Is it just that at slow speed on a steep turn, it loses altitude quickly? Or is it something else? Anyway, I have an old voo-doo by LiteHawk that is about 15 years old and I think i will dig it out and fly it. It actually has some stabilization built in it for its age. Have hardly flown it as I was just starting to get into the hobby back then. Was used to flying gliders with high-starts and no motors. In those days motors were a sin to the hobby LOL Happy Flying.
Yes I think just too slow and also trying to turn a bit, just makes it tip-stall pretty easily.
Great flight. Like it. Cheers 🍻
I was wondering why my wing clam up when I hit full throttle. At middle thr it flies level
Got one too , really like this model , I like loads of stickers on my models 8-) , fanstatic secenery you have now . Graham
I was actually thinking about this earlier, wondering whether it might be the look of the stickers that partially made me not interested in it initially. I threw the stickers in the trash as soon as I opened the box :) It would be nice to have some different color on one side, but I keep forgetting to do that.
It's outta stock everywhere, gosh !
Hi, your video is the reason I started looking for this wing a few weeks ago and I was fortunate to find a second hand one 'locally' some 200 Km from where I live in the Netherlands. It arrived yesterday, complete with servo's, a 2200Kv motor a 6 x 5,5 prop end a 40A ESC. When cleaning the dust off (it was an attic find), I found a large bolt in the nose. Did yours come with this nose weight too?
No, the bolt will be something the previous owner added.
@@iforce2d Thank you, I'll remove it, along witha lot of aging tape an excess glue. In fact, I started taking the whole plane apart for restauration, as the previous owner appears to be an idiot without a clue, without any assembling skills whatsoever...
I took all the aging and breaking joints apart, cleaned the parts and re-assembled the Falcon over the last few weeks. I maidened it this afternoon and am amazed about how well it glides! I hit a thermal on the first launch and have a stiff neck as a result... You can fly endlessly on one battery charge.
I like your new flying site...;)
I have visited NZ before. I am making rc for flying wing at home in Hong kong.
Awesome flying location!
Where do you live? It is beautiful beyond belief! The mountains and colors in the sky... wow...
This is New Zealand
parrot disco alike. parrot engineers might have spend lots of time choosing disco final shape and i guess this is most efficient shape
I fly mine with a 2200 motor on a 6 x4 Prop, 3cell 2200 lipo on a 30 amp esc, goes very well.
What a location...............this looks unreal :)
The way i throw falcon is from the prop base. Without powering. After throw and got the airspeed i push the throttle
Do you use a BN-220 or BN-880 gps on your models? Can't figure out what I should put on a zohd orbit, are compasses needed?
I have about 5 of the BN220, they have been working well for me. For a plane a compass is usually not necessary because it cannot hover in one spot like a multirotor, and presumably the direction of movement is the same direction as the front of the plane :)
A great video
Watching your early flights, I was wondering how soon it would demonstrate its sudden stall and spin characteristics. I think my Falcon might be my most frequently crashed plane. Even when you know what it's like, it occasionally catches you out. When I had FPV gear set up on it, I found stalls easier to recover from because I could see it happen and maintain orientation more easily for recovery. A mate (Hadley Boks-Wilson) and I had some good FPV flights together in some fun locations round Wellington back when he had his Falcon, like this: th-cam.com/video/hrRWUKj-hQg/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. The front of mine is looking rather shorter these days.
I built a DW Mini Rainbow running a 460mAh 2S battery, and my wife swears I was in the back yard for over 3 hours with 3 batteries. I still don't believe her, but I sold the wing before I got to time a flight.
Where is this?! It's stunning, and live near the Rockies .
New Zealand
Thanks for responding! I have actually been thinking about moving there. I currently live in Canada, but I am looking for a change. Any recommendations?
If you're looking for somewhere that looks like this, pretty much anywhere :) Although it has to be said, I'm 30 minutes drive away from the nearest town...
Sounds perfect. I was looking to move to rural BC, but New Zealand just seems to be calling my name. Thanks
Interesting, good quality video. It flew very well but was it wind shear @ 23' 25" ?
Possibly, but it does like to tip-stall even without any such encouragement.
You think this is something to do with the 30 degree winglets?
Left to it's own devices, it circled for ages.
It was circling at about half-throttle and much higher airspeed though.
You could scavenge some magnets from an old motor and use them to improve the canopy.
Tiny neodymium magnets are pence...………...
Raymond Ashby
I know. I've bought plenty. The ones in the kit would have worked better if he had glued it flat onto the fuselage then glued the L shaped steel piece into the slot in the canopy. I saw someone else fit them that way and it worked well.
I don't know if these were on backorder when you released this video, but they are now, two days later! :o)
I'm not sure, but I think the price is cheaper than it used to be which maybe made them sell better.
Current price shows as USD44.99 (NZD65.17). My point was with 3000 - 4000 views of what looks like a very appealing item at a very appealing price may well have caused a mini-rush on sales. Banggood should be very pleased with you... maybe some goodies in the mail wouldn't go amiss! ;o)
Yeah, mind that stall. The Falcon will drop a wing when over 650 grams, and very violent at that. Unless you're high enough, it'll death dive .. Great model though, I have had few of them through the years. Most of them for fpv.
Yeah I had that a couple of times and I was a little surprised to see how much vertical height it took to recover !
iforce2d tip stalls is how most of my planes have met there end unfortunately.
Maybe a solution only in my mind, but I've been countering tip stalls with flying nose heavier. Helps me keeping the speed up.
Is the motor brake using some voltage from the ESC to keep the propeller in a fixed position?
Yes it would be using a tiny bit. But I suppose the benefit from keeping the prop fixed is more than the glide slope would be affected by having it spinning... I think.
Does anybody know any wing similar to this? It has been discontinued.
Not exactly the same, but I'd recommend the C1 Chaser, one of my all-time favorites.
th-cam.com/video/1183YO4wi1c/w-d-xo.html
What is the wingspan ?
The link in the description does not work anymoere.
Are these planes still being sold by bangood ?
Wingspan is 1.4m I believe. Looks like they don't have any now, but I have noticed they appear again from time to time. I would recommend the C1 Chaser though, much more stable, durable, and more room to carry stuff.
@@iforce2d The C1 Chaser is about 50 Euro's and looks like a decent plane.
I think I wil go for the C1 Chaser.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Nice plane ! How do you make it so quiet ?
The SunnySky motors are quite nice, very smooth running with little vibration which helps. This power setup (3S 1100kv) is a little too slow, usually I would use a 2200kv motor so that full throttle is about twice as fast (and higher pitched noise). I guess you could get the same effect from a 2200kv motor if you just kept the throttle low.
I've had one of these for a few years - a couple of tips, the elevons will flutter at speed, I replaced mine with balsa and even with 15mm magnets replacing the tiny ones that come with it your canopy will come off - I did this to mine and it's been fine since i.imgur.com/R9hd8L8.jpg. I have mine on an Emax 2212 1400kv on 3S 2200 with an 8x6. BTW I launch mine by grabbing it at the join of the wing and throwing it overhead as I do for all my larger wings
Good to know, yeah the elevons are quite long and thin with no reinforcement...
Just asking a question and was hoping some one could help me.
I want to build a rover that uses its Owen satellites ones that you can place around an area rather than using space ones
i was hoping that some one could point me in the right direction a channel or website wear some one is doing this.
sorry for asking such noobish questions.
If you want to triangulate using the distance from the rover to each 'satellite' you'll need some way to measure the distance between two points. The only thing that comes to mind is UWB radio systems but don't expect it to be cheap. Try googling for "uwb positioning"
Thank you for the reply i will take a look
th-cam.com/video/af1alLjpTwM/w-d-xo.html
www.pozyx.io/
Wait how does it pitch up as there are no horizontal stabilizers?
I had one of those in 2012 and it had the very same tip-stall characteristics yours has. You night have thought they'd have cottoned onto it and done something about it in the intervening years. :-/
It will only tip stall if you let it.
Yes just keep up the speed to a more reasonable level and it's fine.
Paint the nose yellow and call it Daffy Duck.
Have you made friends with the local avians yet ?
It glides better when the prop lines up with the aerofoil.
wait, did you move? to another country or are you still in New Zealand?
he did move, he is still in new zealand
Nice and informative video!! BTW, what's an Andrew Newton video??
Here's a link, some of the best vids around. Go check him out. ..... th-cam.com/channels/2QTy9BHei7SbeBRq59V66Q.html
Was this place hard to find, or is the area full of them?
The countryside is not unlike this pretty much anywhere, but finding a house that the farmer is not using is another story.
What mic do you use to record yourself
I'm using a mobius action camera attached to my hat
What is your setup please (motor/esc/prop)?
4:58 ss 2208 1100kv motor, skywalker 20A esc 7x5 prop
Great vid, I have four of these, my first (retired) was the 3rd plane I ever flew RC, and it's great to see different versions of this Fantastic wing!, BUT the falcon does not like slow! not unless your flying in a straight line! and cg needs 295-300mm
with the canopy (my first went through the prop confetti came out) use fibre tape to tape the nose down and just lift it up and down from the rear like a hinge, you don't need to take the tape off and when airborne the passing air holds the rear down, if your interested here's a vid of mine with the falcon, different flying style? th-cam.com/video/hcRePx1-vd8/w-d-xo.html I've never slope soared so I'm curious about the falcon just as a soarer, (I still have a falcon in the box spare) great vid thanks for sharing :-)
what is the flight range?
I don't know, the best I could do is judge what the speed looks like and multiply by an estimated flight time.
23:20 - and that is why I refuse to fly flying wings now. They stall and there is nothing you can do but watch.
I think the problem is this wing has no washout/twist, so the whole wing stalls at the same time. I also have the Wingwing z84, C1 chaser, and FX79 Buffalo and they all have washout and do not stall like this, which is why I was so surprised at 23:20 because it had never happened to me before. I have thermalled the C1 and FX79 with motor off and almost full up elevator for many minutes at a time without stalling. Seems like it's a trade-off with efficiency, the flat wing of the Skywalker falcon is what makes it so efficient, but you really gotta keep it moving at a decent speed and angle of attack.
I did save mine a couple of times, but it requires a bit of luck. Best to build it light and fly it fast (>14m/s). And avoid sharp turns at slow speed.
=) cool!
Any projects on the horizon?
I still have to make the 'noobs guide to GPS quad' that I bought the parts for almost a year ago :D
iforce2d can't wait, did you ever do anything with the robot arm?
Not yet, got too distracted with other things :)
Shame you don't have a nice place to fly it...
Where in the hell do you live??????
New Zealand
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