betangeltv I'll be checking it out whenever their season starts again. Even if they don't allow fans in to watch. There's plenty of places above pitch level you can see in some Highland League grounds. If it's a clear day maybe walk half-way up Ben Nevis to spy in on a Fort William game haha.
in my opinion betfair should not interfere with this if this is just clearly between players and not between them and players i do see why they did changed it but they still not pay the price. i do not like when are markets constantly suspended and you can not do nothing 5 minutes and match is going on. what if there are people want to take a risk and go into such play. its up to them but like this is betfair interfere too much with what can traders do and what can not. imo there should be both options available and trader can decide which want to choose.
I've suggested and Betfair have run unmanaged markets in the past. My suggestion to exchanges is to have managed and unmanaged markets and let the customers decide.
Was listening to the Newcastle v Watford at the weekend on fm radio( 15 jan) As SOON as the goal was announced on the radio, the market was suspended with no delay.
@@betangeltv The point i was trying to make was that the suspension by betfair , over the internet, was not delayed as it appeared precisely when the goal was announced on an fm radio, no delays
I'm not sure I fully understand inplay delay. What I specifically want to know is if I'm watching exchange odds fluctuating on an event that is in play and I see the odds hit 2.0 and I place a bet (with enough liquidity) will it match straight away or is there a delay before it matches? And if there is a delay will it still match at the price I entered the market even though the odds may have changed?
wireless still wouldnt work as there is the countdown once you place your bet , I suspect certainly at the premier league games there is somone from the bookmakers or exchanges who flick a switch which puts the markets into suspended before you bet get matched, would be very handy on horse racing but know of no channels which transmit on am or fm, have tried myself to find the very excellent william hill racing radio on wireless, no chance unless someone else knows any difference ?
@@reewersandroid6175: When TV went digital I visited a mate's house where he had one terrestrial and one digital TV; IIRC there was about a five second difference between the two...
Good video but I thought the topic should have been more towards - should the Betfair delay even exist on Horse Racing. When I place a In-Play bet on the Horse Racing it's more like 3 seconds from when I click to when the money hits the market. In a fast-flowing market that is a long time. It should be instantaneous exactly like in pre-off racing markets. And don't give me all this crap about my Computer being slow or my Wifi isn't fast enough. It is Betfair who are delaying the ability to place money into the In-Play Horse Racing Markets because I guarantee you there are employees or privileged accounts where this delay does not exist and they clear up...... one-second my arse.......... for us mere mortals it's 3 seconds at least.
I can understand the in-running where certain individuals have the time advantage over others and you're money is taken, i.e they know its fallen before you do. I accept that, its a person's choice to risk that kind of bet where there is a delay on the in-running. But someone is even clearing up before the race is off, especially on a sprint flat race. You want £30 on 17.0 say, it gets back down to say 14.5, and the last horse is going in. You're 17.0 is never going to be matched and the bet is going to be cancelled at the in running stage. You are watching the race and what happens, you're money is taken at the last split second and there is like a £1000 available at 28.0 as the stalls open. You know for a fact you're horse has totally missed the break. How can that be fair? It goes on all the time and nothing is done, if nothing is done then it has to be someone on the inside getting on before that first market delay on the race is hit.
@@garym4171 I can see your point, but you shouldn't really be looking to go to the last second or you should take the best market price on offer (14.5 you say) or cancel your bet. The Market stops trading more or less at 00:00:00 because all the BOTS are programmed to stop looking for entry positions.
The rádio FM AM is realy more fast but in football didnt work because you need to place One bet minimum 5 ,8,12 secounds and the Betfair suspend the market before you place your bet
I have never learnt anything of Peter . I find his delivery very boring and his constant lip smacking is soul destroying . Bet angel is the reason I turned my recommendations off on you tube Good luck
It's so ironic to have these sorts of conversations. When I started trading I was terrified that if people learned what I was doing and why, then my career would be over. But over time I learned that it didn't matter. I could talk pretty openly, and it didn't really make any difference. Somebody would always argue with you and be willing take the other side, even if they were totally wrong and would lose money. It was a real revelation and something that allowed me to reach a completely new level. The quality of stuff on TH-cam is terrible now, much worse than at any point in my career. But part of that is that TH-cam is an entertainment medium now, not an educational one.
Forget the betfair trading for a moment, I get more ideas from Peter's garden than I do from a whole episode of Garden's World.
Green all over!
Very interesting stuff. Garden looks good btw Peter.
Many thanks
What a beautiful day it is ? Flowers blooming, sun is shining, birds are singing and the breeze :)
Wonderful
Peter I just wonder what the shot or goal delay is in the Scottish Highland League as Betfair does list some of these matches.
Worth checking
betangeltv I'll be checking it out whenever their season starts again. Even if they don't allow fans in to watch. There's plenty of places above pitch level you can see in some Highland League grounds. If it's a clear day maybe walk half-way up Ben Nevis to spy in on a Fort William game haha.
Looks like a lovely garden :)
It takes a lot of effort to maintain it, it's my stress buster from trading!
Interesting. Wish I was the guy to find out that betfair loophole !
There have been quite a few oddities over the years!
in my opinion betfair should not interfere with this if this is just clearly between players and not between them and players i do see why they did changed it but they still not pay the price. i do not like when are markets constantly suspended and you can not do nothing 5 minutes and match is going on. what if there are people want to take a risk and go into such play. its up to them but like this is betfair interfere too much with what can traders do and what can not. imo there should be both options available and trader can decide which want to choose.
I've suggested and Betfair have run unmanaged markets in the past. My suggestion to exchanges is to have managed and unmanaged markets and let the customers decide.
Can't help but think your garden is modeled on Augusta :-)
I do get the pitching wedge out during the summer. "And it's Webb with this short iron shot for the championship"
Was listening to the Newcastle v Watford at the weekend on fm radio( 15 jan) As SOON as the goal was announced on the radio, the market was suspended with no delay.
Most people are anticipating goals, rather than waiting for the goal to be scored.
@@betangeltv The point i was trying to make was that the suspension by betfair , over the internet, was not delayed as it appeared precisely when the goal was announced on an fm radio, no delays
Was you listening to analog radio or dab radio?
They have people at all football matches inputting info for the bookies, even teams u18s games. So they will instantly suspend when they see the goal
analog@@Happyandbrightvibes
Pre-event trading would seem to be the safest and fairest way to trade?
I actually had this idea knowing radio is direct.
I love your garden.
It may feature in more videos if the lock down continues.
I'm not sure I fully understand inplay delay. What I specifically want to know is if I'm watching exchange odds fluctuating on an event that is in play and I see the odds hit 2.0 and I place a bet (with enough liquidity) will it match straight away or is there a delay before it matches? And if there is a delay will it still match at the price I entered the market even though the odds may have changed?
First view, first comment!
Yes I know, so childish.
@betangeltv Peter do you know when betfair discovered it, and change rules? which year it was?
I don't remember off the top of my head, but it was early on.
wireless still wouldnt work as there is the countdown once you place your bet , I suspect certainly at the premier league games there is somone from the bookmakers or exchanges who flick a switch which puts the markets into suspended before you bet get matched, would be very handy on horse racing but know of no channels which transmit on am or fm, have tried myself to find the very excellent william hill racing radio on wireless, no chance unless someone else knows any difference ?
Oh it definitely works. Not as much as it once did but nevertheless you have an edge.
mark jackson it works if you use betangel one click screen no waiting
@@master4eva
in my betangel you have to wait 5 seconds for the bet to match
@@master4eva only at horse races it is quickly traded and hedged, and in tennis and football cricket 5 seconds
You can't beat it, but that's closest you will get.
Peter how do I improve my AM signal inside the house, its so bad I can't hear a thing and have to switch to digital cheers
You can get external aerials fitted. Usually there will be a local company that specialises in these sorts of things.
Garden looks great
Thanks, it may appear in a few more videos if the lockdown continues.
Can you recommend and radio channels other than BBC5/live and talksport? can you receive channels from abroad with wireless radio?
Some BBC local radio stations are quite good. But it's usually down to who is covering the match.
@@betangeltv
Can a radio be faster than a textbook or video bookmaker? And how much?
@@reewersandroid6175: When TV went digital I visited a mate's house where he had one terrestrial and one digital TV; IIRC there was about a five second difference between the two...
Good video but I thought the topic should have been more towards - should the Betfair delay even exist on Horse Racing. When I place a In-Play bet on the Horse Racing it's more like 3 seconds from when I click to when the money hits the market. In a fast-flowing market that is a long time. It should be instantaneous exactly like in pre-off racing markets. And don't give me all this crap about my Computer being slow or my Wifi isn't fast enough. It is Betfair who are delaying the ability to place money into the In-Play Horse Racing Markets because I guarantee you there are employees or privileged accounts where this delay does not exist and they clear up...... one-second my arse.......... for us mere mortals it's 3 seconds at least.
I've recommended to Betfair and other exchanges to run parallel markets, managed and unmanaged. Let the market decide!
I can understand the in-running where certain individuals have the time advantage over others and you're money is taken, i.e they know its fallen before you do. I accept that, its a person's choice to risk that kind of bet where there is a delay on the in-running. But someone is even clearing up before the race is off, especially on a sprint flat race. You want £30 on 17.0 say, it gets back down to say 14.5, and the last horse is going in. You're 17.0 is never going to be matched and the bet is going to be cancelled at the in running stage. You are watching the race and what happens, you're money is taken at the last split second and there is like a £1000 available at 28.0 as the stalls open. You know for a fact you're horse has totally missed the break. How can that be fair? It goes on all the time and nothing is done, if nothing is done then it has to be someone on the inside getting on before that first market delay on the race is hit.
@@garym4171 I can see your point, but you shouldn't really be looking to go to the last second or you should take the best market price on offer (14.5 you say) or cancel your bet. The Market stops trading more or less at 00:00:00 because all the BOTS are programmed to stop looking for entry positions.
The rádio FM AM is realy more fast but in football didnt work because you need to place One bet minimum 5 ,8,12 secounds and the Betfair suspend the market before you place your bet
Lusohorse-Trader use betangel ladder then no need to wait 5 seconds
@@master4eva
in my betangel you have to wait 5 seconds for the bet to match
@@master4eva only at horse races it is quickly traded and hedged, and in tennis and football cricket 5 seconds
You can't beat it, but my point was that radio is the fastest.
@@betangeltv
Can a radio be faster than a textbook or video bookmaker? And how much?
Anyone here that's under 25 probably can't tune a wireless.
LOL, that's so true!
1:13 goes to the end of the video :)
Any danger of those in play videos yet?!!
On the way
Can't beet the old radio !!!!
Sometimes modern technology just dumbs things down a bit.
not even getting in this not to comment anything bad
this is not helping
I have never learnt anything of Peter . I find his delivery very boring and his constant lip smacking is soul destroying . Bet angel is the reason I turned my recommendations off on you tube
Good luck
And yet they still recommend them to you 😂
@@betangeltv I’ve turned them off now .
It's so ironic to have these sorts of conversations. When I started trading I was terrified that if people learned what I was doing and why, then my career would be over.
But over time I learned that it didn't matter. I could talk pretty openly, and it didn't really make any difference. Somebody would always argue with you and be willing take the other side, even if they were totally wrong and would lose money.
It was a real revelation and something that allowed me to reach a completely new level.
The quality of stuff on TH-cam is terrible now, much worse than at any point in my career. But part of that is that TH-cam is an entertainment medium now, not an educational one.