Decent analysis. As an older skater (25+ years of skating), I've found many friends my age enjoy GH shit talking because it most closely aligns with how we really feel and there's nobody in our age bracket willing to take those risks. Also, ever since my mom kicked me off her Hulu account, I've stepped up an an adult and I used my own credit card to pay for his Patreon channel thank you very much.
love the analytic aspect of your vid but there is just one thing most of skateboarding youtube doesn’t seem to get. GH is just fucking hilarious and the way he combines proper opinions with the most memed out humour is, not only in skateboarding, entertainment masterclass
Nice video, I think the skating community craves someone like gifted hater to give people accountability rather then the rug sweeping we have seen for a long time. I hope in his success he will still manage to stay objective which he seems to being a good job of so far. Also those projected income numbers are always way off. Especially due to TH-cam shorts. I have never made 4k+ ad revenue a month in my life haha. I think John's numbers are also inflated with some of his shorts getting millions of views recently. I cant speak for back in the glory days but John is definitely not making 30k ad rev a month in 2023
GH showed us what's possible with nothing more than a webcam, some simple desktop research, and the everyman's bullshit detector. Lately he doesn't seem as hungry, but he's even kind of admitted that in recent videos. At worst, he is now an outsider's insider, but I still click on his uploads faster than anyone else's.
I remember watching yt skate videos or contests and sometimes finding myself questioning something or criticizing something. I'd then look in the comments and everybody praises everything. Then I watch a gifted hater video where he calls stuff like that out and voices it because he has a voice. Like with Andrew Cannon I watched the contest first thinking this guy is annoying af and then gifted hater bashed on it a week later. That's the void he fills for me. Probably some others as well 🤤
That is so true. A lot of skate viewers love to wagon hitch. Imagine someone finding themself questioning or critisizing something about GH's "street part" and scrolling through these comments.
I’m 37 and used my very own adult sized credit card to support the lad and be a patron. Kinda funny you mention how using his name in a title will undoubtedly spike the views in a video while using his name in a video, but I’m sure that was meant to be ironic. Would have enjoyed this as a totally unbiased breakdown of his metrics thus far. The sneak disses and subliminals were a bit too catty for me.
supports a man based on dissing and being catty, then gets upset that someone else is doing the same thing and not even close to the same degree. gh fans are something else
Nice vid. Yeah GH works I think because he stands out in contrast to the constantly happy, constantly positive TH-cam skate community at large. When every big TH-camr has their own setup video, "basic tricks" video, ect he is a breath of fresh air. Skateboarding (for many people) has an element of bucking authority, and GH brings it.
based on the discourse I've seen from and around Gifted Hater I would posit that his level of success comes down to him being the only funny person working today in skate boarding as a whole
Dudes also smart bro. And he isn't afraid to say what's on his mind. He's a professional at being an individual. He's like a superhero for the average skater in many ways bro, lol I'm 38 and have been skating since 1996 and I've never seen anyone like him. Zero fear at all. Mad respect 4 Gifted dude.
Dumb Data does this as a hobby. He doesn’t give a fuck about how other youtubers are doing. He is just doing his own thing analyzing shit. Maybe you are butthurt my homie?
he said it '' everything GH related makes views'' so dumbdata is trying to be relevant making a vid on him. I feel this might end his youtube relevancy if it's mostly dislikes
Disagree. I think it’s just DD doing what DD does. He didn’t stray away from mentioning how GH is absolutely crushing it. Matter of fact before this video I don’t think any of us could’ve imagined GH was making the insane amount of money mentioned in this video. If DD was only out to hate on him I don’t think he’d be informing the rest of us just how successful he really is
As someone who’s 20 and more of a skateboarding enjoyer than a skateboarder (I am ass) I honestly enjoy his videos, I try to stay updated through most major outlets, but he always has different takes which I find interesting. I also just enjoy watching him shit talk braille and the other Scientologists
as an early 90s dude who feels like skateboarding was in a weird place i feel like GH is a breath of fresh air in the skateboarding game, i feel like its been filled with toxic positivity for years where nobody wants to say anything negative even when its warranted, im all for inclusion but when kooks and big corps get involved and do stupid things it needs to be called out and this man just scratches that itch that nobody has for years, and ive even been debating in getting his patreon and ive never done that before tbh
With this video, every word of it soaked in snark and contempt, every interpretation painting the diabolical everywhere, I don’t think he’s pretending at all anymore. It’s an open ode to his profound derision for the guy. It actually kinda makes me worry about Dumb. It doesn’t sound like he’s in a very good place.
@@butterknutts5888 yeah that was weird to hear. I'm not in my 30s but I'm 23 and I know a lot of people around my age watch him. Not sure if 14 year olds are his main demographic tbh
I'm 29 and kind of discovered his content recently and really enjoy it, not sure about your demographic approach. As others say it feels refreshing to watch someone put a mirror in front of the industry in the way he does + maybe for me as a european it's kind of the only content to get some insight in what is happening in the industry aswell. Good video man, will subscribe.
I think Joa is a good representation of the skaters mentality, and people resonate with what they feel is honest commentary. He's one of the more likeable gatekeepers of any community lol
As an old head(51), I’ve always been hot and cold with Joa. He hits the nail on the head quite often, but also misses really badly. When he misses though, it’s often hard to tell if he’s just saying something to be obnoxious or if he’s sharing an honest opinion
Hi bros im 38 and I love gifted hater he makes me laugh with some good old fashioned shit talking. Skateboarding is turning into corporate kook town and we needed someone like him to shake things up a bit.
Very good video I think it would of been important to mention the issue that online discussions about skateboarding were usually filled with fake/ toxic positivity before his rise , he’s a lot more of an art critic then a skateboarding hater I dont know about lower tier pro , hes flow level for an adult not any where near AM
It would be cool to see him on 9 club. Tbh I think he wouldn’t do it just as he’d lose street cred as that show is a bit yuppy with all the “special special “ bs. We’ve all enjoyed some shows tho so no hate. He’s ballin af on patreon. It’s a tough call how long he can milk this thing. I appreciate having a voice against the corporate cringe that’s ruining skating. Look at his counterpart black ninja. As he aged people cared less and less. I do still check his new uploads it’s just not as hyped as it was. GH is the new updated Black Ninja. Mark my words when he turns 30-35 it’s gonna fade out. Or not??? It’s just not as relatable with younger viewers or people are looking for the next new thing. So far he’s riding a wave and it’s a lot of pressure and anxiety to keep doing content or keep up.
Another key point you didn’t address is patreon takes upward of 12% or more on earnings. Just to be more accurate on data. Ha also factor taxes on earnings as well on all platforms. For a single guy in his 20’s with no real responsibility he’s living hood rich.
ngl i like gifted a lot, but his ego has gotten bigger as he constantly puts himself on a moral high ground. Something annoys me about the shield of irony he always uses aswell
i have been editing videos for half my life and i really enjoy joas style of videos, its really charming and got great comedic timing. he really is gifted in making enjoyable videos you can genuinely get excited about
Yeah, that would frustrate me so much that i would work out my legs until i could have good pop. When i skate, pop was the most important factor in my opinion. I was happiest when i could pop as high as i could off of things and catch my board at the peak of my jump. Nothing felt better than that.
Lol i RESENT that my comment was shown as the casual berrics viewer...i hate them but that ribeiro vs felipe was the best content they put out in a long time
yeah, they make almost* nothing worth watching anymore, but that series was excellent. (I’ll admit I’m also interested in the occasional look at whether someone can do a 26mph bigheel or whatever)
Honestly, I'd miss GH if he left. He's one of the VERY few who calls out the core industry, and informs people of the shady shit the berrics, Mikey Alfred, etc continue to do. While most everyone else is too nice, and scared to say anything negative in fear of being blacklisted from the industry.
So I’m an older ex skater, 32. I have a math/statistics degree and I work in finance. I enjoy both your content and his. Corporate selling out in skateboarding or anywhere is gross. The way the pros have absolutely no conviction on upholding ethics and just market lies to sell product is sickening wherever it appears and skateboarding is no different. GH is doing a good job of calling out the bullshit… but I think as you eluded to in this video, his obstacle now is to maintain his authenticity as corporatized mainstream skateboarding considers adding him to the fold. He can easily become the worst of what he criticizes if he gets tempted by potential sponsorships and deals to talk about certain topics and to watch his mouth on others. Unfortunately this happens a LOT in the world. GH has his Patreon backers which should help shield him from selling out but you can never underestimate the temptation of money. Someone like me will be able to tell the SECOND he sells out, if it ever happens, but most won’t.
I truly can’t think of a business in the industry that has a business model that can viably give him more money than he already earns himself, whether as a guest analyst/commentator or as a fulltimer. He’s doing so well that he’s free to accept invitations go to engage on his own terms, but there’s not really much to hold over him. It’s a pretty unexpected development. Like Gary said, he gathered all the infinity stones, and they can’t even be mad about it.
im sorry if im getting something wrong but theres no way john hill did 6 mil views over the last 30 days. If you add his views from these past 30 day videos you get something like 250.000
Oh and good job dumb data! I liked your opinion. I like gifted hater a lot. You and him are the ONLY two skateboard TH-cam channels I watch now besides the odd 9club clip, and I thought this video was honest, well put and your points were all valid. As if you need my validity 😂. I guess what I’m trying to say is…… Good job 👏
Thats awesome. Gifted, if you read this: buy a small app and be very carefull with the money. You never know when shtf and you get ill. I know, all of a sudden, 4 months ago, my bowels ended up in my right scrotum.. i wouldnt give my worst enemy the pains ive had. I got operated 6 weeks ago and i still struggle with complications after the surgery :( Been basically bedtidden this entire time. Feels like ive been sick for years. Time goes sooo slow.
hang in there, brother. your words are a gift to us here, and that’s worth a lot. for your attitude and willingness to share alone, you have my admiration and gratitude I won’t bother trying to compare life experiences because that’s personal and we just met, but I spent some time in a state I’ll just call “conscious but physically immobile” during a climb out of a health situation that lasted longer than I’d like …and my biggest regret looking back on those months (not a big one but life is short) was that I didn’t make use of them doing all the stuff I still wish I did more of, and could do from bed. I wished I’d always had a notebook or a binder, that I’d continued my plans and schemes and strategies and imaginations and random notes to self. I saw it as a time I was unable to be active, because a lot of the things I saw as activity involved not being in bed or eventually on the couch or in a chair, but there was so much progress into stuff important to me that I didn’t do, watching tv and wallowing in my whatever, thinking I was waiting for life to be available again. I’m not saying this is you of course. You have a great attitude and I’m famously slow when it comes to knowing how to let myself have everything I want. I just wanted to remind anyone and everyone bedridden that there’s a unique opportunity for certain kinds of productivity when physical freedom is taken from us. story A lot of people think of Bruce Lee as an action movie star, and don’t realize that he was a martial artist who revolutionized martial art in both the western and eastern worlds, leading to developments considered obvious today that would have been inconceivable before him. His look at developmental process transcended systems and fields, and continues to facilitate evolution of different activities. Anyhoo, Lee broke his back, and they told him he’d never walk again (bummer especially if you’re that guy). So he laid in bed in the hospital for months, worked obsessively on what we’d call physical therapy, and wrote the backbones of 4 books, one of which would go on to be published as the seminal work The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. From bed, where they said he’d spend the rest of his life. Of course he recovered seemingly miraculously and walked again and trained again and eventually recovered completely, but the point is that what he got done while bedridden is still with us to this day. Anyway, it’s just a thought :) All our love and best wishes to you, your bowels, your scrotum, and your next steps forward being your articulate and caring self. Love, all of us
i'm like 30 years old and think he's hilarious. in my opinion skateboarding needs a menace if he ever crosses the line and does some weird shit then i'll abandon him but for now, it's just crass humor that i appreciate
Everyone hypes this guy up as if he's some skateboarding Messiah. I don't really see it. He has contrarian opinions and relishes the drama. He's as one-dimensional as it gets
Easy bro. The guy puts 20-30+ hrs into these edits. Maybe more? You either like it or not. He’s just spitting data. Interpret it how you want. I like the channel. I’ve never seen anyone grind so hard to research sk8 info. I’m curious to see him on camera speaking or his sk8 footy 1 day. DD is a mystery.
@@hover_roller_balance_boards your opinion about his worth is subjective. These videos are not worth much. It did not take 20-30hours, and if it did he should find a better paying job.
Sometimes we need someone that's not afraid to call people out on weird or cringe things and just accept the backlash. And he does it in a way that reminds me of just talking shit with between friends. Yeah he goes a bit hard whenever it comes to berrics but I think we're all a little disappointed on how that channel has become in the last couple years. Also, I didn't even know he was actually good at skating until he released that part recently. I didn't care about skill because it was never about his own skating and he was obviously knowledgeable about it. For example, I don't need to know how to do crazy flip tricks down a 10 stair to know that Jeff DeChesare's tricks have zero pop and look ugly.
Same. I searched for it everywhere. Usually they put stuff like that on their clip channel but it's not there. It looks like his part came out like 2 weeks ago so MAYBE they will put it on their clip channel. It's got to be in one of the episodes in the last 2 weeks though.
Love giftedhater. Half the fun of skating is shit talking and even better with ammo to back it and make it actually entertaining BTW while we on shit talking, when was the last time ninjalifestyle skated the streets and put out a street part? Asking for a friend.
The difference between gifted and other skate TH-camrs is this, if I see a John hill video, I might watch it, but I’ll go check to see if gifted posted just cause I want to see what’s he’s Gona say next. Having a well thought out, well explained opinion on things in skating is just so rare.
I'll start this off with. You are my favorite TH-cam channel for skateboarding content. With that being said gifted hater also caught my attention when he had a much smaller channel like yours so I've always liked his brutal honesty. He gives his opinion and doesn't care about the backlash about it. But fuck all that you need to drop some videos about batb 13 I need to know the numbers behind every batb 13 game. Please 🙏
On the spectrum of hecklers in skateboarding Joa is on the bright side. He’s funny, lighthearted and disses basically everyone rather than always sparing the cool guys. In the history of skateboarding there have always been hecklers and many times there have been real life “daggers” (see thrashin’, eighties skate movie), meat head hecklers who are stupid and nowhere near as entertaining as gifted hater.
Be it the perspective of the older generation, the current generation, people with nothing to lose, and people with something to lose, it's all biased opinions being served rather than objective truth. So there's really room for all types and I think that's why we never see one to rule them all.
he filled in the void that the original feedback left (and to a certain degree love letters or big brother to go back even eralier), f'yeah for free speech and controversy, it is essential to skating. without that, it is just another sport / street fashion show. I'm actually hoping to see another creator who is even more brutally honest and merciless.
7 months late but I think the criticism is a welcome change compared to the toxic positivity Casey Neistat clones. I think he’s a good reaction to mainstream TH-camrs
Great stuff DD. It's all very entertaining. The ironic street part clearly made his viewers the punch line of his joke. Funny indeed but the shift going from laughing with to laughing at his audience will be a test.
He very clearly stated in a recent patreon video that his part was in no way meant to be ironic. I’m actually curious why people are thinking that, is it because of the music?
@@dadboard "In no way ironic?" LOL 🤣The music, the filming, production wise it's a parody of wack skate parts. You think that is unintentional? Dude rips, knows what a dope part is and has access to whatever he needs. If he was trying to do something seriously good it would not look or sound like that.
@@RealSkateStories 😬 yeah dude he pretty much negates that entire comment you just made on his recent patreon video. Believe it or not, people actually _like_ shit you may consider wack 🤷♂️ I thought the song was dope as well as the trick selection, not really much to argue about or debate since everything we’re discussing is totally subjective. Take care ✌️
@@dadboard Agree with you about the trick selection, dude rips. Also about the subjective nature of music. However him dropping disclaimers after the fact negates nothing.
Decent analysis. As an older skater (25+ years of skating), I've found many friends my age enjoy GH shit talking because it most closely aligns with how we really feel and there's nobody in our age bracket willing to take those risks. Also, ever since my mom kicked me off her Hulu account, I've stepped up an an adult and I used my own credit card to pay for his Patreon channel thank you very much.
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any fellow 30+ club ?
Would you say you’re happy with your purchase?
@@owenalp1977 i don't have patreon, scared of that black hole
@@owenalp1977 absolutely. there's way more and way longer content on his Patreon.
love the analytic aspect of your vid but there is just one thing most of skateboarding youtube doesn’t seem to get. GH is just fucking hilarious and the way he combines proper opinions with the most memed out humour is, not only in skateboarding, entertainment masterclass
I agree... I don't even fw a lot of his takes but Joa is a very funny personality and I think that's why most people watch
@@wlacosta true he is just entertaining as fuck
"we make it look easy"
not a masterclass but id say A tier youtuber
Nice video, I think the skating community craves someone like gifted hater to give people accountability rather then the rug sweeping we have seen for a long time. I hope in his success he will still manage to stay objective which he seems to being a good job of so far.
Also those projected income numbers are always way off. Especially due to TH-cam shorts. I have never made 4k+ ad revenue a month in my life haha. I think John's numbers are also inflated with some of his shorts getting millions of views recently. I cant speak for back in the glory days but John is definitely not making 30k ad rev a month in 2023
I appreciate your informed, respectful, and well-considered perspective. Thanks for taking time to share.
Never 4k a month with as many subscribers as you? Man wtf I am retiring😭 TH-cam doesnt pay skate content creators what they are worth.
GH showed us what's possible with nothing more than a webcam, some simple desktop research, and the everyman's bullshit detector. Lately he doesn't seem as hungry, but he's even kind of admitted that in recent videos. At worst, he is now an outsider's insider, but I still click on his uploads faster than anyone else's.
Interesting choice to make a vid like this and not mention your history with him
I remember watching yt skate videos or contests and sometimes finding myself questioning something or criticizing something. I'd then look in the comments and everybody praises everything. Then I watch a gifted hater video where he calls stuff like that out and voices it because he has a voice. Like with Andrew Cannon I watched the contest first thinking this guy is annoying af and then gifted hater bashed on it a week later. That's the void he fills for me. Probably some others as well 🤤
The whole tampa crew is fucking annoying. Especially after 20 years of watching that contest
That is so true. A lot of skate viewers love to wagon hitch. Imagine someone finding themself questioning or critisizing something about GH's "street part" and scrolling through these comments.
He’s uninhibited, relate-able, and can actually skate. He’s like the cool kid that you’re not afraid to approach at the skatepark.
Looking how he’s dressed i would not say he’s the cool kid 😂 more like the quiet kid nobody talks to at school
@@StoneAquatics how does a “cool kid “ dress?
@@StoneAquatics i bet you think dunks and polar big boys are the sickest things ever
meatriding is crazy
@@StoneAquatics Soo you over pay for designer shit that makes you look like a 70 year old lady?
I’m 37 and used my very own adult sized credit card to support the lad and be a patron. Kinda funny you mention how using his name in a title will undoubtedly spike the views in a video while using his name in a video, but I’m sure that was meant to be ironic. Would have enjoyed this as a totally unbiased breakdown of his metrics thus far. The sneak disses and subliminals were a bit too catty for me.
+1
he forgot to make the disses funny. rookie mistake
he sneak disses and subliminals were a bit too catty for you? my brother in christ, your boy joa is the cattiest lil kitty on skatetube
@@aspanon1560 are you able to think in your own words or just memes
supports a man based on dissing and being catty, then gets upset that someone else is doing the same thing and not even close to the same degree.
gh fans are something else
Nice vid. Yeah GH works I think because he stands out in contrast to the constantly happy, constantly positive TH-cam skate community at large. When every big TH-camr has their own setup video, "basic tricks" video, ect he is a breath of fresh air. Skateboarding (for many people) has an element of bucking authority, and GH brings it.
No one gets you saltier than GH.
lol dumddata still salty after the beef a year ago ahaha
based on the discourse I've seen from and around Gifted Hater I would posit that his level of success comes down to him being the only funny person working today in skate boarding as a whole
Dudes also smart bro.
And he isn't afraid to say what's on his mind. He's a professional at being an individual. He's like a superhero for the average skater in many ways bro, lol I'm 38 and have been skating since 1996 and I've never seen anyone like him. Zero fear at all. Mad respect 4 Gifted dude.
He’s tapped in too. Get the inside scoop
0:13 woah boys I made it😭😂 he definitely does spike views.
Older people like him because he’s honest and calls out the wack shit in skating which is necessary
And there is SO much wack shit.
I’m currently considering centering the curriculum of my next graduate symposium in cultural studies around how embarrassingly butthurt this is
im halfway in, what am i missing ?
Dumb Data does this as a hobby. He doesn’t give a fuck about how other youtubers are doing. He is just doing his own thing analyzing shit. Maybe you are butthurt my homie?
he’s still seething that gifted didnt collab with him
Ok cool, I’m glad other people picked that up too.
he said it '' everything GH related makes views'' so dumbdata is trying to be relevant making a vid on him. I feel this might end his youtube relevancy if it's mostly dislikes
this video is just 19 minutes worth of crying about gifted's success
why are so many butthurt gh fanatics on here...the video really is very objective...whats your problem
Disagree. I think it’s just DD doing what DD does. He didn’t stray away from mentioning how GH is absolutely crushing it. Matter of fact before this video I don’t think any of us could’ve imagined GH was making the insane amount of money mentioned in this video. If DD was only out to hate on him I don’t think he’d be informing the rest of us just how successful he really is
As someone who’s 20 and more of a skateboarding enjoyer than a skateboarder (I am ass) I honestly enjoy his videos, I try to stay updated through most major outlets, but he always has different takes which I find interesting. I also just enjoy watching him shit talk braille and the other Scientologists
as an early 90s dude who feels like skateboarding was in a weird place i feel like GH is a breath of fresh air in the skateboarding game, i feel like its been filled with toxic positivity for years where nobody wants to say anything negative even when its warranted, im all for inclusion but when kooks and big corps get involved and do stupid things it needs to be called out and this man just scratches that itch that nobody has for years, and ive even been debating in getting his patreon and ive never done that before tbh
why even pretend you don't massively hate him
With this video, every word of it soaked in snark and contempt, every interpretation painting the diabolical everywhere, I don’t think he’s pretending at all anymore. It’s an open ode to his profound derision for the guy.
It actually kinda makes me worry about Dumb. It doesn’t sound like he’s in a very good place.
@@frozennorth3426 yeah he gets pretty cringe sometimes. i think its bait. he's a master baiter.
Dumb Data wanted to collaborate once but GH was not that into it. He made a super butthurt video about it after
@@tokumei99 yeah I recall gifted had a not so good opinion about dumb data and dumb got butt hurt lol
gifted makes over 10k usd a month just from patreon, and he can barely release a single tier list video during that timeframe
Does dumb data skate? Is there any footage of him doing anything on a skateboard...ever? Is he even one of us?
yal are weird as fuck lmao
When he said it’s skewed to adolescents and I’m about to turn 31 I felt that
he got too hooked on age demographic lol
@@butterknutts5888 yeah that was weird to hear. I'm not in my 30s but I'm 23 and I know a lot of people around my age watch him. Not sure if 14 year olds are his main demographic tbh
I'm 29 and kind of discovered his content recently and really enjoy it, not sure about your demographic approach.
As others say it feels refreshing to watch someone put a mirror in front of the industry in the way he does + maybe for me as a european it's kind of the only content to get some insight in what is happening in the industry aswell.
Good video man, will subscribe.
I think Joa is a good representation of the skaters mentality, and people resonate with what they feel is honest commentary. He's one of the more likeable gatekeepers of any community lol
As an old head(51), I’ve always been hot and cold with Joa. He hits the nail on the head quite often, but also misses really badly. When he misses though, it’s often hard to tell if he’s just saying something to be obnoxious or if he’s sharing an honest opinion
Ok boomer
^both of you are very valid
@@galvanizedgnome 😂😂😂
@@Hoodinator17 piebald is from the 90s, so i would guess you are in your early 40s.
Gen Z here & I completely agree. I guess Joa being so hot and cold is what makes his content exciting
It's okay to enjoy GH and Dumb Data at the same time.
We needed GH. Tired of this fake shit with skateboarding
Hi bros im 38 and I love gifted hater he makes me laugh with some good old fashioned shit talking. Skateboarding is turning into corporate kook town and we needed someone like him to shake things up a bit.
exactly.
Bro made a video about illegal skateboarding tricks and then dropped a video part exclusively made of illegal skateboarding tricks. Baller.
Very good video
I think it would of been important to mention the issue that online discussions about skateboarding were usually filled with fake/ toxic positivity before his rise , he’s a lot more of an art critic then a skateboarding hater
I dont know about lower tier pro , hes flow level for an adult not any where near AM
It would be cool to see him on 9 club. Tbh I think he wouldn’t do it just as he’d lose street cred as that show is a bit yuppy with all the “special special “ bs. We’ve all enjoyed some shows tho so no hate.
He’s ballin af on patreon. It’s a tough call how long he can milk this thing. I appreciate having a voice against the corporate cringe that’s ruining skating. Look at his counterpart black ninja. As he aged people cared less and less. I do still check his new uploads it’s just not as hyped as it was. GH is the new updated Black Ninja.
Mark my words when he turns 30-35 it’s gonna fade out. Or not??? It’s just not as relatable with younger viewers or people are looking for the next new thing. So far he’s riding a wave and it’s a lot of pressure and anxiety to keep doing content or keep up.
Another key point you didn’t address is patreon takes upward of 12% or more on earnings. Just to be more accurate on data. Ha also factor taxes on earnings as well on all platforms. For a single guy in his 20’s with no real responsibility he’s living hood rich.
Guys to post a comment here you don’t have to tell us your age or how long you’ve been skating. It’s mostly irrelevant
ngl i like gifted a lot, but his ego has gotten bigger as he constantly puts himself on a moral high ground. Something annoys me about the shield of irony he always uses aswell
i have been editing videos for half my life and i really enjoy joas style of videos, its really charming and got great comedic timing. he really is gifted in making enjoyable videos you can genuinely get excited about
You seem jelly, we like you both
"simply attempted to sell 1500$ pants" was perfectly fine for Joa to call that out, and more.
Yeah DD is shitting the bed with this one.
The people want dumb data footy
Poor Jeff. I think his lack of pop is what lets him down. He might do big heights and steps but he seems to just fall of them rather than jump.
It’s not what you do, it’s how you do it..
Yeah, that would frustrate me so much that i would work out my legs until i could have good pop. When i skate, pop was the most important factor in my opinion. I was happiest when i could pop as high as i could off of things and catch my board at the peak of my jump. Nothing felt better than that.
Lol i RESENT that my comment was shown as the casual berrics viewer...i hate them but that ribeiro vs felipe was the best content they put out in a long time
Ahahahaahah
@@kus88 🤣😅
yeah, they make almost* nothing worth watching anymore, but that series was excellent.
(I’ll admit I’m also interested in the occasional look at whether someone can do a 26mph bigheel or whatever)
Here cus I ran out of GH content
Good. I’m glad he is making money. He gives his honest opinion. I am 39 so I am not the Demographic. But I love him. He is hilarious 😂
You’re just posting this for views aren’t ya
Honestly, I'd miss GH if he left. He's one of the VERY few who calls out the core industry, and informs people of the shady shit the berrics, Mikey Alfred, etc continue to do. While most everyone else is too nice, and scared to say anything negative in fear of being blacklisted from the industry.
Not the lunch lady 😭😭
WHY does Michael relevant read from a screen? They must not be his words… stop reading your financier’s emailed scripts 🤦♂️
I really liked this one. GH is great. He has a very unique style of skateboarding videos
love jeff, he got tricks, but dude has anti style.
So I’m an older ex skater, 32. I have a math/statistics degree and I work in finance. I enjoy both your content and his. Corporate selling out in skateboarding or anywhere is gross. The way the pros have absolutely no conviction on upholding ethics and just market lies to sell product is sickening wherever it appears and skateboarding is no different. GH is doing a good job of calling out the bullshit… but I think as you eluded to in this video, his obstacle now is to maintain his authenticity as corporatized mainstream skateboarding considers adding him to the fold. He can easily become the worst of what he criticizes if he gets tempted by potential sponsorships and deals to talk about certain topics and to watch his mouth on others. Unfortunately this happens a LOT in the world. GH has his Patreon backers which should help shield him from selling out but you can never underestimate the temptation of money. Someone like me will be able to tell the SECOND he sells out, if it ever happens, but most won’t.
I truly can’t think of a business in the industry that has a business model that can viably give him more money than he already earns himself, whether as a guest analyst/commentator or as a fulltimer.
He’s doing so well that he’s free to accept invitations go to engage on his own terms, but there’s not really much to hold over him. It’s a pretty unexpected development.
Like Gary said, he gathered all the infinity stones, and they can’t even be mad about it.
im sorry if im getting something wrong but theres no way john hill did 6 mil views over the last 30 days. If you add his views from these past 30 day videos you get something like 250.000
You sound like Napoleon Dynamites brother.
I would say what he did to the hyphenate is a lot worse than what he did to young lung
lol, sounds like Dumb Data is salty.
GH actually has the respect of the core skating community; that's why he's got viewership
dawg the end of this video had me crying😂
I made it on this channel. Hahaha
$18000 a month? He should buy a boat!
Oh and good job dumb data! I liked your opinion. I like gifted hater a lot. You and him are the ONLY two skateboard TH-cam channels I watch now besides the odd 9club clip, and I thought this video was honest, well put and your points were all valid. As if you need my validity 😂. I guess what I’m trying to say is…… Good job 👏
This is precisely the youtube garbage im looking for.
Get the dumb data Patreon up and running so we can get you an iPhone with a working home button.
Thats awesome. Gifted, if you read this: buy a small app and be very carefull with the money. You never know when shtf and you get ill. I know, all of a sudden, 4 months ago, my bowels ended up in my right scrotum.. i wouldnt give my worst enemy the pains ive had. I got operated 6 weeks ago and i still struggle with complications after the surgery :(
Been basically bedtidden this entire time. Feels like ive been sick for years. Time goes sooo slow.
Bro that’s me too
😱
hang in there, brother. your words are a gift to us here, and that’s worth a lot. for your attitude and willingness to share alone, you have my admiration and gratitude
I won’t bother trying to compare life experiences because that’s personal and we just met, but I spent some time in a state I’ll just call “conscious but physically immobile” during a climb out of a health situation that lasted longer than I’d like
…and my biggest regret looking back on those months (not a big one but life is short) was that I didn’t make use of them doing all the stuff I still wish I did more of, and could do from bed.
I wished I’d always had a notebook or a binder, that I’d continued my plans and schemes and strategies and imaginations and random notes to self.
I saw it as a time I was unable to be active, because a lot of the things I saw as activity involved not being in bed or eventually on the couch or in a chair, but there was so much progress into stuff important to me that I didn’t do, watching tv and wallowing in my whatever, thinking I was waiting for life to be available again.
I’m not saying this is you of course. You have a great attitude and I’m famously slow when it comes to knowing how to let myself have everything I want.
I just wanted to remind anyone and everyone bedridden that there’s a unique opportunity for certain kinds of productivity when physical freedom is taken from us.
story
A lot of people think of Bruce Lee as an action movie star, and don’t realize that he was a martial artist who revolutionized martial art in both the western and eastern worlds, leading to developments considered obvious today that would have been inconceivable before him. His look at developmental process transcended systems and fields, and continues to facilitate evolution of different activities.
Anyhoo, Lee broke his back, and they told him he’d never walk again (bummer especially if you’re that guy). So he laid in bed in the hospital for months, worked obsessively on what we’d call physical therapy, and wrote the backbones of 4 books, one of which would go on to be published as the seminal work The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. From bed, where they said he’d spend the rest of his life.
Of course he recovered seemingly miraculously and walked again and trained again and eventually recovered completely, but the point is that what he got done while bedridden is still
with us to this day.
Anyway, it’s just a thought :)
All our love and best wishes to you, your bowels, your scrotum, and your next steps forward being your articulate and caring self.
Love,
all of us
Lol the fade out at the end while talking about Jeff 😂
One thing that came to mind is that John hill and braille are getting a lot of those views from TH-cam shorts
i'm like 30 years old and think he's hilarious. in my opinion skateboarding needs a menace
if he ever crosses the line and does some weird shit then i'll abandon him but for now, it's just crass humor that i appreciate
if berrics can ban GH they would
Dern Bros are the only ones that matter
Insane how far his channel has come in the last couple of years considering all he does is shit talk on a dollar tree mic😂
Everyone hypes this guy up as if he's some skateboarding Messiah. I don't really see it. He has contrarian opinions and relishes the drama. He's as one-dimensional as it gets
It too obvious that Dumb Data is trying to keep his dying channel alive..
He’s pulling in decent numbers for the shit he posts. So yeah there’s that
Easy bro. The guy puts 20-30+ hrs into these edits. Maybe more? You either like it or not. He’s just spitting data. Interpret it how you want. I like the channel. I’ve never seen anyone grind so hard to research sk8 info. I’m curious to see him on camera speaking or his sk8 footy 1 day. DD is a mystery.
Yeah his channel has become all talking about other TH-camrs…
@@hover_roller_balance_boards your opinion about his worth is subjective. These videos are not worth much. It did not take 20-30hours, and if it did he should find a better paying job.
its too obvious that you gh cock suckers cant take a minimum amount of criticism jumping in the trenches to defend your idol...imagine that :D
Dumb Data is Gifted Hater 🤔🤨
Sometimes we need someone that's not afraid to call people out on weird or cringe things and just accept the backlash. And he does it in a way that reminds me of just talking shit with between friends. Yeah he goes a bit hard whenever it comes to berrics but I think we're all a little disappointed on how that channel has become in the last couple years. Also, I didn't even know he was actually good at skating until he released that part recently. I didn't care about skill because it was never about his own skating and he was obviously knowledgeable about it. For example, I don't need to know how to do crazy flip tricks down a 10 stair to know that Jeff DeChesare's tricks have zero pop and look ugly.
Where can i find the 9 club gifted hater episode? :0
Same. I searched for it everywhere. Usually they put stuff like that on their clip channel but it's not there. It looks like his part came out like 2 weeks ago so MAYBE they will put it on their clip channel. It's got to be in one of the episodes in the last 2 weeks though.
Experience 234
Pls Gifted. Pls roast me.
Joa has more personality in his Last Resort’s than if you welded all of the TH-cam skaters together to make some kinda giant TY skater final boss
That ending had me yearning for more Jeff D
I didn't even know this donk exists.
Hey! I'm in this video like 4x. Thanks pal. Do you like my drawing of Saint Fred?
Ps I love you
Tbh I didn’t need to know any of this, mid video
not trying to be offensive but the dude laid a kinda obvious breadcrumb trail to explain this issue by calling himself dumb data
when dumb data posts dumb data ermagerd
@@khanate1879 hardly any data in this vid, it’s just him trying to make something that will get views.
@@graxjpg And the data he did provide seems pretty off there’s no way John hill is getting the views dumb data says he is getting
Thanks for putting me on this video. I have a part two about him coming out soon as well I filmed shortly after the other one.
Critique vs praise ratio is spot on this time.
'aaron kyro on estrogen' gah dayum
The irony spiral here is quite palpable.
I honestly don’t think he sees it.
Love giftedhater. Half the fun of skating is shit talking and even better with ammo to back it and make it actually entertaining
BTW while we on shit talking, when was the last time ninjalifestyle skated the streets and put out a street part? Asking for a friend.
You do realize that Michael relevants video was humor right?
I know couple of people my age, we don't skate anymore but we watch gifted hater.
The difference between gifted and other skate TH-camrs is this, if I see a John hill video, I might watch it, but I’ll go check to see if gifted posted just cause I want to see what’s he’s Gona say next. Having a well thought out, well explained opinion on things in skating is just so rare.
Did you show us any numbers on the difference between his first year and second year on TH-cam? I must have missed it
I'll start this off with. You are my favorite TH-cam channel for skateboarding content. With that being said gifted hater also caught my attention when he had a much smaller channel like yours so I've always liked his brutal honesty. He gives his opinion and doesn't care about the backlash about it. But fuck all that you need to drop some videos about batb 13 I need to know the numbers behind every batb 13 game. Please 🙏
He didnt do enough damage to the berrics. They are still around
Idk about the upper am lower pro comment he’s a more tasteful version of an instagram skater at best
On the spectrum of hecklers in skateboarding Joa is on the bright side. He’s funny, lighthearted and disses basically everyone rather than always sparing the cool guys. In the history of skateboarding there have always been hecklers and many times there have been real life “daggers” (see thrashin’, eighties skate movie), meat head hecklers who are stupid and nowhere near as entertaining as gifted hater.
He is the human version of Weevil Underwood
Weevil is human too lol
Be it the perspective of the older generation, the current generation, people with nothing to lose, and people with something to lose, it's all biased opinions being served rather than objective truth. So there's really room for all types and I think that's why we never see one to rule them all.
he filled in the void that the original feedback left (and to a certain degree love letters or big brother to go back even eralier), f'yeah for free speech and controversy, it is essential to skating. without that, it is just another sport / street fashion show. I'm actually hoping to see another creator who is even more brutally honest and merciless.
7 months late but I think the criticism is a welcome change compared to the toxic positivity Casey Neistat clones. I think he’s a good reaction to mainstream TH-camrs
THX
how can you assume that he's more popular with the younger audiences? He's like the opposite of what younger audiences would enjoy
Great stuff DD. It's all very entertaining. The ironic street part clearly made his viewers the punch line of his joke. Funny indeed but the shift going from laughing with to laughing at his audience will be a test.
lol is that what you think happened?
He very clearly stated in a recent patreon video that his part was in no way meant to be ironic. I’m actually curious why people are thinking that, is it because of the music?
@@dadboard "In no way ironic?" LOL 🤣The music, the filming, production wise it's a parody of wack skate parts. You think that is unintentional? Dude rips, knows what a dope part is and has access to whatever he needs. If he was trying to do something seriously good it would not look or sound like that.
@@RealSkateStories 😬 yeah dude he pretty much negates that entire comment you just made on his recent patreon video. Believe it or not, people actually _like_ shit you may consider wack 🤷♂️ I thought the song was dope as well as the trick selection, not really much to argue about or debate since everything we’re discussing is totally subjective. Take care ✌️
@@dadboard Agree with you about the trick selection, dude rips. Also about the subjective nature of music. However him dropping disclaimers after the fact negates nothing.
The more I see Michael Relevant content, the less I get why we dont call this guy Michael Irrelevant. The lad is absolutely delusionnal
I feel like you are doing a bit of the same recipe as gifted hater but by presenting it as analyze. Do you ad value to skateboarding?
He’s objective about the corporatization of skateboarding and all the grifters trying to get a piece
DUMB DATA IS THE REAL HATER
your praying on gifted haters downfall so much lmao the ending of this video was pure spite and manifestation
jeff dechesare makes me want to fall asleep standing up, which is also hard to do
And the potato saved us from polus. And jeff deshartes is annoying