Limbus Company - Gregor Pathetic Moments

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  • @rubee.5
    @rubee.5 ปีที่แล้ว +1194

    The fact that half of the video is Hell's Chicken and how dirty Gregor was done was hillarious

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +283

      The reason why I started compiling these was because of how badly everyone was kicking him around in Hell's Chicken

    • @celtickawaii57
      @celtickawaii57 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      They roasted Gregor more than the chickens.

    • @ultrio325
      @ultrio325 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      he sounds so betrayed when Ishmael joined Ryoshu's side

  • @runire4804
    @runire4804 ปีที่แล้ว +900

    Our cringefail moe bbg uncle,,, I love him

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +158

      Choi Han did a fantastic job capturing the cringefail essence

    • @mitacestalia7532
      @mitacestalia7532 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He's giving ahjussi vibe 😂

    • @TrulyBS-QJ
      @TrulyBS-QJ ปีที่แล้ว +14

      MOE~

  • @IcedMilkwater
    @IcedMilkwater ปีที่แล้ว +985

    My aesthetic is Rodya calling him pet names. Rodya husband and Greg wife realism

    • @lustyburgundy
      @lustyburgundy ปีที่แล้ว +91

      SO REAL!!!

    • @mintman4094
      @mintman4094 ปีที่แล้ว +129

      Short King Tall Queen
      It checks out

    • @Yoruno_Mx31
      @Yoruno_Mx31 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      By the looks of it rodya is russian right?

    • @IcedMilkwater
      @IcedMilkwater ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@Yoruno_Mx31 100%, she's based on Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment

    • @yehuda8589
      @yehuda8589 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      It even works well in a meta sense since Kafka was a massive Dostoyevsky fan

  • @flowersandcheesecake1710
    @flowersandcheesecake1710 ปีที่แล้ว +1020

    Gregor truly earned his status of being a baby girl
    Also the scene of Rodion shoving a bug in his face because so much less funny to me because of the background context……

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +202

      The later part of the arc recontextualizes that scene, but I keep coming back to it for the voice work

    • @flowersandcheesecake1710
      @flowersandcheesecake1710 ปีที่แล้ว +158

      @@maristea5321 Honestly it’s so much harder to choice a favorite VA because they’re all talented but also thank you for cataloguing all Gregorbear cringe moments lol it was an absolute treat

  • @LongNguyen-cz5ty
    @LongNguyen-cz5ty ปีที่แล้ว +463

    Each chapter is supposed to be a emotional train for 1 sinner, but Gregor takes emotional damages in all of them.

    • @wedoaconsiderablwamountofm4726
      @wedoaconsiderablwamountofm4726 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      except chapter 2, Rodion is jist like "oh yeah this is my chapter heres some flashbacks, now rhat thats done lets bully gregor"

  • @celtickawaii57
    @celtickawaii57 ปีที่แล้ว +740

    This isn't even all his fail moments:
    -his announcer voiceline where he says "I'll do my best...hey, who just said they won't listen to a bug?"
    -his homescreen line when he tries to offer Dante a cigarette and then remembers Dante doesn't have a mouth
    -when he asks Dante for lens cleaner, and then when he sees Dante doesn't have any he just says "Just be grateful you don't have to wear glasses"
    -his Liu Assoc. uptie cutscene where a bunch of ruffians roast his appearance

    • @eggsecutor2601
      @eggsecutor2601 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      he's so girlfail I love him. he's so pathetic.

    • @alexanderchon9058
      @alexanderchon9058 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      And Liu Gregor responded via a literal roasting.

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +87

      I knew I would forget a few things. Whenever enough new story content is added, I'll try to get these into the next Gregor fails video

    • @owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325
      @owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      ​@@eggsecutor2601 girlfail? Damn he can't catch a break

    • @celtickawaii57
      @celtickawaii57 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@maristea5321 Not your fault I'm just saying "This is a big video full of Gregor being pathetic and it's not even ALL the times Gregor was pathetic. He's just that babygirl it can't be contained in one video"

  • @AshenDalia
    @AshenDalia ปีที่แล้ว +557

    His pathetic demeanor and disheveled appearance have bewitched me heart and soul ❤

    • @NoorinStuff
      @NoorinStuff ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Ok Don Quixote
      I agree tho

  • @Cosplaybuddygiraffes
    @Cosplaybuddygiraffes ปีที่แล้ว +723

    As someone who’s only read The Metamorphosis of the Sinners’ literary references, I am SO HAPPY that the guy repping one of my fave short stories ever is a pathetic babygirl war criminal. Instant fave

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +139

      This is why he's my fave as well. It's also nice to see Gregor pathetic in a way where it isn't too depressing

  • @thermodynamicallybored9247
    @thermodynamicallybored9247 ปีที่แล้ว +353

    I still can't get over how good the voice actor was at portraying Gregor getting all cocky when he fed his dish to the distortion. Absolute perfect set up for him to get dunked on again.

  • @malkuthWAVE
    @malkuthWAVE ปีที่แล้ว +375

    I love this bug guy

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +57

      He's the reason why I downloaded the game

    • @kennnnny
      @kennnnny ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@maristea5321 same. It was love at first sight

    • @ultrio325
      @ultrio325 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      personally I like Dante most but I literally cannot deny Gregor has to be one of the best characters

    • @Jack-mt3fw
      @Jack-mt3fw ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Pfp checks out

    • @Comparableguyman
      @Comparableguyman หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      me too bro, me too

  • @ItsTanuki0_Clock
    @ItsTanuki0_Clock ปีที่แล้ว +327

    It's really funny how they occasionally make him speak german, scheibenkleister is basically a way of toning down your curse words

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +72

      They added new lines to announcer Gregor. He says "sehr gut" and "dumm gelaufen" in them!

  • @davidfeddanigga54
    @davidfeddanigga54 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    i like how he sometimes talks german like Scheibenkleister is the german way for old men and women to say Fuck or shit when something bad happens

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +71

      I've noticed Rodya cursing in Russian. I love the little details in this game

    • @tastemailcake
      @tastemailcake ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@maristea5321 WAIT WHATG??????? WHERE???????????????

    • @drrdfsgsh4030
      @drrdfsgsh4030 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      ​@@tastemailcake In the beginning of Hell's Chicken, when sinners met K Corp food safety inspector (forgot his name), Rodya said that he is a "kozyol", which means "male goat" in Russian

    • @tastemailcake
      @tastemailcake ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@drrdfsgsh4030 ohhhhh right i forgot
      im russian myself but i guess i couldnt recognize that word

    • @mitacestalia7532
      @mitacestalia7532 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I think Rodya also called Outis Babushka aka grandma 😂

  • @mitorikawashiro2962
    @mitorikawashiro2962 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Here's a funfact, Gregor and Rodya's VA is the same as Sol Badguy and Jack'O from Guilty Gear Strive

  • @noobychoco454
    @noobychoco454 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    gregor VA did a great job

    • @Quantum1244
      @Quantum1244 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      His Voice Actor voices the Korean Mr Krabs btw

  • @matraser3201
    @matraser3201 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    You know gregor has it rough when the video is 8 minutes

    • @celtickawaii57
      @celtickawaii57 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      8 minutes and the majority of it is Hell's Chicken.

  • @moonlitpebbles4778
    @moonlitpebbles4778 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Gregor cannot stop taking Ls and honestly that's what makes his character so good

  • @grayrodent8232
    @grayrodent8232 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I swear my heart cracked when Ishmaell chose Ryoshu on the cook off. Gregor's voice actor has mastered the art of inspiring pity.

  • @fateburn
    @fateburn ปีที่แล้ว +136

    He's too pure for the The City

  • @maristea5321
    @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +289

    Finally got all his IDs and I noticed there's a roach friend present in all them. Gregor the guy who hates roaches more than anything, lmao

    • @steveweighner
      @steveweighner ปีที่แล้ว +109

      The cockroach is a multidimensional constant lol

    • @ForgottenFafnir
      @ForgottenFafnir ปีที่แล้ว +117

      Being completely honest, I don't think Gregor hates bugs. Rather they trigger his PTSD as he seems to associate bugs with his fellow G-Corp members and what happened during and after the smoke war. That's why he suffers significant SP Damage if you choose to kill the cockroaches in that one dungeon event.
      It's possible that he just associates that particular cockroach with someone from G-Corp, most likely Tomah, as the events of the dungeon are born from Gregors memories. Meaning, Gregor knew the real Tomah, and judging by the events of the story, feels especially guilty about what occured to him, as they were a new, still optimistic recruit who'd been thrust unawares into the Smoke War, and likely been one of the troops Gregor commanded.
      I dunno. It does also recontextualise a lot of the random speeches and attempts to 'take charge' he makes as well, as Memory Tomah, and much likely many of the real G-Corp members, viewed him like Captain America, a person who WOULD take charge, and make Morale Boosting Speeches. I think he's still coping with the fact he isn't that war hero they all view him as.

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @@ForgottenFafnir I do think his comrades also being associated with bugs would make him conflicted on his thoughts toward them since he doesn't hate G Corp, as shown with his Tomah dialogue. He does seem to hold disgust for the ones that live like bugs and abandoned their humanity. In the logs he wrote about the Golden Apple, it was mentioned that during the battle he was reminded of what it felt like to be a pest and that broke him. Even if it isn't hate, Gregor doesn't seem to be fond of them either.
      Greg seeing that roach and associating it with Tomah makes sense on why he'd let it be near him all the time. But I like the idea that that roach is just a little guy that follows him around and Gregor just has no idea it's there, lol.
      I agree it's likely that his attempts at random speeches and taking charge was due to G Corp members viewing him as a hero. It's pretty clear how much the others respected him. Gregor couldn't see himself as the person in the war flyers, yet he still had to play that role for the morale of G Corp during the Smoke War.

    • @celtickawaii57
      @celtickawaii57 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Gregor and his little roach buddy find each other in every universe.

    • @Jack-mt3fw
      @Jack-mt3fw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good ol’ shoulder roach

  • @mcaelan2660
    @mcaelan2660 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Both love and hate when Ishmael betrayed Gregor on Hell's Kitchen event. My poor Greg boy was about to distort on the spot he just couldn't believe his eyes.
    I guess her Reindeer identity was affecting her decision making that day.

    • @ItsTanuki0_Clock
      @ItsTanuki0_Clock ปีที่แล้ว +45

      I swear we can rename the event to "Bullying Gregor for 2 hours straight and repeat"

  • @TrueSupergreen
    @TrueSupergreen ปีที่แล้ว +86

    i cant wait for the day that gregors acting works out in his favor

  • @staria65
    @staria65 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    HE'S SOOOO SILLY I WILL COMMIT WAR CRIMES FOR HIM

  • @thatdudenamederror1924
    @thatdudenamederror1924 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    I LOVE THIS SILLY BUG GUY WHIT PTSD FROM WAR SO MUCH!!!!

  • @virraell2514
    @virraell2514 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    5:27 oh god he's crying
    i love his cringefail ass so much
    ty for your work!

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Gregor feeling betrayed by Ishmael is easily my favourite moment. The voice work there is phenomenal!
      I adore Greg's voice actor. Choi Han is so perfect for him

  • @jellifygirl
    @jellifygirl ปีที่แล้ว +61

    girls will fall on the ground twitching and spasming likq an actual bug all becausw of bug man from bus game

    • @jellifygirl
      @jellifygirl ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I DIDNT EVSEM LIKE HIM THARMUCH LIKW A WEEK AGO WHAT HAPPENE

  • @atlaswhispers
    @atlaswhispers ปีที่แล้ว +94

    he’s so babygirl i love him

  • @jamie6506
    @jamie6506 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    Gregor being scared of bugs is so sad when you've read Metamorphosis

    • @Quantum1244
      @Quantum1244 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Bro became a cockroach against his will and was mortified that he woke up as such, a fate worse than death for some

  • @kamilslup7743
    @kamilslup7743 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    i'm just gonna say it
    gregor is project moon's dedicated boyfailure

  • @ANightattheOpera28
    @ANightattheOpera28 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    He's such a boyfailure I want his hand in marriage
    Omg he was so touched by Meursalt joining his team...and then it was ruined. RIP Gregor press F to pay respects

    • @maristea5321
      @maristea5321  ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I like how most people here agree that Gregor being cringefail makes him more desirable, lmao

    • @ANightattheOpera28
      @ANightattheOpera28 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@maristea5321 Him being a loser increases his carnal appeal

  • @oddie97
    @oddie97 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    It's like his entire existence is a nat 1...

  • @Xcluxide
    @Xcluxide 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    0:25 i laughed quite hard when i reached this part lmao AIEEE CHOI CHOI

  • @pekoon
    @pekoon ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I love rodya so much

  • @wildboargaming1858
    @wildboargaming1858 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    When I’m feeling down, I indulge in a bit of Bug Guy!

  • @AuraArondight
    @AuraArondight ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I think we could all use a funny bug man in our lives.

  • @FreyCheqama
    @FreyCheqama ปีที่แล้ว +23

    His best friend was killed offscreen

  • @honeyohhoney8485
    @honeyohhoney8485 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bro's rent is due cuz he delivers with every voiceline

  • @GlueEater-ix9gl
    @GlueEater-ix9gl ปีที่แล้ว +23

    silly bug man my beloved

  • @nutzeeber
    @nutzeeber ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Can't wait till they meet an abno that can switch their bodies around and gregor will be put in meursault and mersault in his

    • @ItsTanuki0_Clock
      @ItsTanuki0_Clock ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Imagine Don in Faust or YiSang's body

  • @alfiepancakezz
    @alfiepancakezz ปีที่แล้ว +24

    i have yet to actually play limbus company but this video already solidifies that gregor is my favorite. i love me some pathetic old men amen ❤

  • @cm5061
    @cm5061 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    he's so stupid i love him

  • @SleeplessBrazilLimbo
    @SleeplessBrazilLimbo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    dude greg got bodied at hell's chicken, i love bug guy sm

  • @ЮрийЗагуменнов-ш7ц
    @ЮрийЗагуменнов-ш7ц ปีที่แล้ว +18

    It's time for Bug Guy!

  • @kinghermit6392
    @kinghermit6392 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    god bless time to inject this video into my brain

  • @user-ke6pc3zu2p
    @user-ke6pc3zu2p ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Oh sure when he does it they find him cute.
    BUT WHEN I

  • @sylvie39
    @sylvie39 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    oi! got more of this bug guy? it’s peak.

  • @cartellaio6955
    @cartellaio6955 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    this. Is the realest MF there is in the world of Limbus Company, feels like he's from our world and just stumbled on accident there

  • @mmonkeyzaza
    @mmonkeyzaza 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i fucking love gregor's voice actor

  • @kennnnny
    @kennnnny ปีที่แล้ว +15

    greg my beloved

  • @jellifygirl
    @jellifygirl ปีที่แล้ว +8

    kicking my feet stimming uncontrollably he is so babygirl ever he is so so ooooooooおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおお

  • @sansclone1874
    @sansclone1874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ...and he's the one in the charge of treating the Seagull

  • @MuchachonotoMuchachonoto
    @MuchachonotoMuchachonoto 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gregor my man don't deserve this after the Minecraft golden Apple incident 😭

  • @Hareuky
    @Hareuky ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Gregor supremacy>>>

  • @yansindex2067
    @yansindex2067 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He really was the punching bag for the whole hells chicken even huh?

  • @realmofl1ght
    @realmofl1ght ปีที่แล้ว +12

    this cringefail babygirl has bewitched me body and soul

  • @TomimokaDiyuu
    @TomimokaDiyuu ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Gregor my beloved

  • @familyfun359
    @familyfun359 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    So pathetic and laughable…
    I carnally desire him

    • @duyanhbui5386
      @duyanhbui5386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      just like phillip if he was the main character

  • @nekochiyu5060
    @nekochiyu5060 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't know who this is, but I love him

    • @anainci
      @anainci ปีที่แล้ว

      same

  • @heartstreak
    @heartstreak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I NEED TO HEAR THIS MAN WHIMPER

  • @willphoenix5464
    @willphoenix5464 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gregor my man they're stepping on you like a roach

  • @Heathcliff_LCB
    @Heathcliff_LCB 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Don't bully the veteran

  • @_osorrow
    @_osorrow ปีที่แล้ว +7

    HE'S SO SILLYYY ARRRGHHHH

  • @catboy7395
    @catboy7395 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    could've included literally every time he opens his mouth tbh. my favorite cringefail malewife ❤️❤️❤️

  • @kymeruh
    @kymeruh ปีที่แล้ว +15

    CRINGEFAIL WIFE!!!

  • @mitacestalia7532
    @mitacestalia7532 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    He's so pathetic, I love him 😂❤
    Gregor is truly number one waifu.

  • @ryuzxa
    @ryuzxa หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man can't catch a break

  • @erwsfdfsdfafrgrgrger5003
    @erwsfdfsdfafrgrgrger5003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Hell's Chicken is one big Gregor pathetic moment.

  • @captain_chompers
    @captain_chompers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gregor, my sweet baby boy, my beloved manlet, my short king

  • @sleepylucia9335
    @sleepylucia9335 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i almost threw up laughing at the scene where gregor tries inspiring the mine debtors to revolt; he's SO cringefail that it endears me.

  • @atouhoufan607
    @atouhoufan607 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro had to diss my man like that

  • @frankdrawsnear9995
    @frankdrawsnear9995 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God he is so cute
    I want him

  • @ariaangela3455
    @ariaangela3455 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can't wait for R Corp Roach Gregor

  • @MasterP86
    @MasterP86 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahhh, gregor is our pogchamp

  • @TheKazuma410P
    @TheKazuma410P 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1:13 Sounds like he actually got pushed in the studio.

  • @sIeepykai
    @sIeepykai ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is why i love gregor

  • @macaroll
    @macaroll หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'll definitely come back to this vid since some of these are spoilers!
    But yes, love love Greg!!! He looks he could protect you, but in reality, you protect him 😂 Currently have his butcher ID and it looks great on him!

  • @eggsecutor2601
    @eggsecutor2601 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    im in love with this roach soooo much 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

  • @Ailaaaaaaa
    @Ailaaaaaaa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i love gregor.... my favorite failroach

  • @lilpotayto
    @lilpotayto หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5% cockroach, 95% babygirl.

  • @cosu6116
    @cosu6116 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Walking sex appeal fr

  • @shiro_589
    @shiro_589 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They can never make me hate you Gregor🩷

  • @xmanr0cks
    @xmanr0cks 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    bros so awesome.

  • @monte8901
    @monte8901 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I simp this man so much

  • @adrekiy0
    @adrekiy0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i started watching someone play this game bc of gregor (knew of him before, but not by name) and i am not ashamed

  • @ProjectHunter571
    @ProjectHunter571 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:30 the horus heresy m30 colourized

  • @red_the_man
    @red_the_man ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What did ryoshu do to the chiken kabab?!?!

    • @callmebanona
      @callmebanona 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      O.O.C.K.

    • @red_the_man
      @red_the_man 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Now am scared to ask

    • @kaltsssit
      @kaltsssit 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      B.T.A.C.

  • @RandomFlyInTheInternet
    @RandomFlyInTheInternet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now we just need gregor whimpering audio

  • @jammed_yam
    @jammed_yam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    never realized hell chicken was split into girls vs the bois + don

  • @celtickawaii57
    @celtickawaii57 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rewatching this made me realize he hasn't really been doing a lot in recent chapters, has he? I feel like he's kind of hanging back, I hope the story focuses a bit on him again just to see if he's doing okay.
    But also....you need to make an updated version for Horse Gregor.

  • @yanastase
    @yanastase ปีที่แล้ว

    2:00 greg try to make revolution
    Roll the dice:1
    You failed miserably to make the slave on your side instead they just gonna attack you

  • @demonerium
    @demonerium ปีที่แล้ว +19

    i love him so much hes my wife

  • @lllllllllllll.l.l
    @lllllllllllll.l.l หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i love cringe bug guy

  • @funkywasit
    @funkywasit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    we need part two

  • @memeuz8882
    @memeuz8882 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If only mr bug knew how down most of these comments are for him

  • @Iyori333
    @Iyori333 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What is OST plays in the 1:02?

  • @roninnozlo9544
    @roninnozlo9544 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    he reminds me of my uncle

  • @OutiPhu
    @OutiPhu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Make an updated version please

  • @ChrisDont
    @ChrisDont 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro is literally Canada (pre war - post war) personified 😂

  • @sashagornostay2188
    @sashagornostay2188 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PAKETIK!!

  • @lunarmachine
    @lunarmachine หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my wife

  • @scruffles3838
    @scruffles3838 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why so mean to my boi....