This is the summary of the rent vs buy decision I’ve been trying to figure out for years. The rental income vs mortgage payment calculation never made sense to me. But this is much more logical and makes far more sense. Thank you for simplifying this!
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No! Absolutely not! Class action lawsuits only pay the victims a few bucks. They do NOT make the victims whole! There need to be individual lawsuits to make the victims of D.R. Horton whole!!!
Yes, and No. I found out you only need the bare minimum to pass inspection, and that is all they look for when inspecting homes. Additionally, I found out that they have so many homes to inspect and finish in a day, they honestly do not take the time to ensure every detail is correct, that is why you need to hire your own inspector. The inspectors for the town, county, city or whatever do not give a DAMN about your home.
I’m a Horton homeowner in the DFW area in Texas and my wife and I made sure we were out looking at our development at least twice a week. Hired outside inspection and made sure we weren’t signing up for a lemon. 👍🏾
Yep! Same here also in the DFW area. I took pictures during all of the construction phases. Fortunately, our builder in charge of our DR Horton home was top-notch. After the initial inspection I had a separate one done one year later. Very few issues so far going on five years.
The problem with hiring private inspectors like me is that there is little to zero impact our reports have with the builder. They literally do not care making it a situation where you have to just walk away. Very few people walk away at this point since they have invested a ton of time finding the particular house in question. I feel like my job is to tell buyers of brand new homes they are buying a piece of junk but its somehow ok to move forward because you have no other choice. Its a very awkward situation. Older home inspections are nothing like this at all.
@@petebusch9069 True but like you said you have to show them you are willing to walk away. My wife and I were legit ready to step away if the concerns weren’t fixed. Horton let us know what would happen blah blah blah but we told we have prepared for this deal to fall through if they didn’t adhere to our fixes and concerns. Almost like buying a car, you have to let them know you are willing to walk. As the consumer YOU have all the power!
I bought a DRH home in 2008. First home and it was brand new. I'm still in it now (but been looking to move). As I've updated one thing after another, I've seen how they cut corners. The worst was finding out that there was no osb/plywood between the drywall and siding when my house was damaged in the 2021 freeze that hit Houston. The contractor was shocked and it made sense why so much noise came in through the walls. I will NEVER EVER buy a DRH home again!
I’m in Northwest San Antonio and I remember that freeze well. That is just horrible. I’m sorry that happened to you. My apartment complex is pretty old and during that freeze my second story apartment was so cold inside and they kept turning the electricity off for hours and hours at a time and the cold air was coming in through my windows. I had to put towels all around Windows and all around my doors this place needs to be weatherproofed badly! And in the summertime, my apartment gets hot even though my central air conditioner works perfectly
Hi ladies. Sorry about your troubles....that's awful. I wanted to say that I've never heard of homes getting damaged by freezes. I'm in Indiana and we get freezing temps a lot. Now I'm wondering if they build houses with that many differences in different areas.
@Leslie537 the pipes run through the ceiling here. We lost power for several days. The pipes ended up bursting so it was a waterfall coming from the ceiling. By the time the adjuster made it out, mold was growing. And part of the ceiling ended up on the floor. I had to redo the entire master bathroom. The upside was I got to design it the way I wanted.
That kind of siding is actually to code, and it's not exclusive to them. It's basically siding and plywood in one. T11. It's unfortunately the cheapest stuff you can use, and I personally, as a contractor, would not ever buy a house that had it. It's nice to have two layers of protection.
@cuchanu I know it's single wall construction. But here in TX it's not good because of all the high winds we deal with. I was a young 1st time home buyer then but I've done research so I make a better choice with my next home. DRH has lawsuits for a reason and I've seen their shoddy work first hand.
Absolutely correct.homes built 50 + years ago are way better built than the homes today. So quickly thrown together along with low quality materials alot of time there is unqualified contractors doing the work.
Most ppl put in the deposit and just focus on the design studio. In fact new home builder stokers should be contacting a private inspector in different phases of construction. For instance, do you know for sure that they are putting in adequate insulation. It’s all covered by drywall.
It seems to me that it wouldn't take very much research for somebody who was going to buy one of their homes to find out all of this information. But maybe they don't even think that it's relevant because they feel like the system will protect them. Unfortunately it doesn't.
How awful! I feel so bad for these families. We were warned about DR Horton Homes at the beginning of our home search. They are everywhere here in TN. It took us 3 years to find a home, and it’s NOT a drh! We close in about 2 weeks. Be patient. Don’t settle.
Regarding inspections, hire an inspector on your own mo matter how old the house is. We bought a 1940s house and our realtor offered to refer an inspector. Luckily, our lender already gave us advice about finding an independent one, and that any recommended by a realtor is not fully independent. The realtor’s goal is to close the sale, so you don’t want an inspector who is ultimately on the realtor’s “side.” While we were happy with our realtor, she expressed a lot of surprise that our inspector spent three hours, climbed onto the roof, gave attention to the backyard shed, etc. the inspector’s report was about 20 pages long and gave info on timelines for future expected maintenance, and descriptions of what was right in addition to what needed to be addressed. We felt we had genuine information on whether the house was a good purchase.
Not just Horton, there are a slew of builders that are just the same. We had an expensive Toll Bros home that we thought was quality, just to find the same flimsy build underneath all the glitz. We also went to look at several other builders with homes in mid build (before the siding, etc. was installed), and I can tell you they are all using the same junk in mass. We finally had to find a lot, an architect/designer, and a builder to get a decent, well built home for almost the same price.
Unfortunately, even those that tout themselves as high end custom do the same crap, often the same subs as the cheapies, under those prettier finishes.
Be very careful with new home construction. I hired a home inspector so that he could keep an eye while the home was being built from the ground up. He has a huge list of things that the home builder had to address. Well worth the money spent. No issues after 12 years of living in my home. I also kept an eye on the construction. Good stuff as always Jackie. From your fellow Gen X friend.
Same experience here. I spent 5 months overseeing the construction and almost daily did I have to tell them to stop doing XYZ and start doing ABC. It was ridiculous. Cut corners in front of my eyes. Put a stop to that and got a new crew. The house is beautiful.
Sad but VERY important video and thanks for the warnings, Jackie. You can add Pulte, K B Homes and so many other companies who do SHODDY work in these new homes. I would NEVER consider doing business with these builders who hire the cheapest labor they can find and it shows in the HORRIFIC work they do. Buy an older home after getting it carefully inspected and make sure the original builder did quality work. My heart goes out to all of these homeowners who are stuck with these home NIGHTMARES, especially with the mold issues. I hope that these lawsuits are successful against these shoddy builders.
My Cousin is working with KB homes right now in Southern California. She’s a five star realtor and they have actually upped their game. They’re doing a lot better work now on their homes.
Every county, every city in America has building inspectors that are employed and paid by the local citizens tax dollars. The building inspectors job is to inspect and protect the consumer from fraudulent, unsafe, and other issues with new home builds. Why are these officials not being held accountable for passing off these homes to the consumer by giving it the green light for occupancy?
@@denisekearl5846 the 2006 international code book is 40 percent the size of a 2012 code book..every 3 years the codes get stricter. The code book will be 2 to 3 thousand pages and 6 inches thick in a decade this trend continues.
The laws should be changed to prevent builders from escaping liability by filing for bankruptcy protection and to allow the executives of building companies to be prosecuted for fraud and other crimes.
I agree! If ALL HOME BUILDERS were held accountable, they would make sure to build the home correctly, instead of rushing to get it done and not correcting the mistakes.
When buying a new home from ANY builder, get a 3rd party inspection before the drywall is up and once the home in complete. Do not close until everything is 100%.
Burbs of Atlanta and was standing in line with a lady at the bank and she was telling me don’t buy DR Horton. Flood and water issues. Electrical. Made me glad that I bot an 840 sq ft mostly restored 1940s bungalow on half an acre. Got a good deal on it also (for what today’s prices are).
Not long ago I remember seeing a Facebook post that showed the quality of the lumber used in building homes in the 2020s to be considerably worse now than homes built 50 years ago. To today's corporate builders, it's all about cosmetics and features and less about the quality of the structure.
Agreed, so many people and their children have become very ill hidden toxic mold exposure from poorly built homes and crappy moldy lumber and have no idea why they have headaches, fatigue, kids with sensory issues, pins and needle, numbness, electric shock pains, muscle and bone pain. It’s truly a tragedy. My family and I barely survived a gorgeous newly built home… it took is 2 years to figure out what was going on. Prayers for anyone going through similar.
My granddad started building the house I used to own in 1931. EVERYTHING was done with quality lumber back then, even many built during the "Great Depression." All of the homes Grandpa built with his brothers, and then the last one with my dad, are still standing and people are still living in them. It's called having pride in the quality of your work. I wish it would come back in style.
I live in Houston, TX, and I am looking for new construction in Sealy, TX, and DR Horton, which is the builder our there. Seeing this, i will pass. Thank you for the video ❤
I wish I knew this before we bought our new home in TX. Years later I still have drywall that keeps cracking, walls that are not square. Faulty electrical work and poor installation of roof shingles. This was a new house in 2018.
DR Horton built a load of homes here in South Jersey (exit 5), and asking ridiculous amounts of $ for them! I heard these horror stories before, too much money for homes that are built like 💩
Thank you for reporting on this. It is a very important topic that home owners and buyers need to know about. I gather that most would not inspect a new build and throughly as an older home. Great advice and a warning. I would have never imagined that a builder would do this knowingly.
Home inspectors are given a license to steal from the word, “GO!!!” My home inspector was so bad that I ended up not paying him, and that was the end of that nonsense!!! They are all crooked!!!!
Sad part is, most flippers and new construction know how to cut corners where the drywall, etc will cover it. Inspectors make it very clear in their report, they only can inspect what can be seen. They do not know how the house was actually built.
These companies WILL NOT change. There a too many other home buyers who will buy a house without any inspection and be perfectly happy. You will be amazed at how uneducated some home buyers are.
It's easier said than done when you say to walk away from the sale. Most people had to put 10% down. Also, I had a pre-drywall inspection, pe- closing inspection, and an 11-month inspection. For the most part, if it is not a code violation, they do not care what your inspection report states. You will need to fight them tooth and nail. The 1-year warranty is another joke. They pick and choose what they will fix. My advice is don't "Walk In" and you will not have to worry about walking away.
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Older houses are legitimate castles built by craftsmanship and old growth lumber. Houses built with Pride and Talent.
Great video! Annnnnd this is why I will take a well maintained OLD HOME over any new build today with the exception of a custom build by a private builder. I know Jackie in one of her videos caution on old homes, but with doing your due diligence, you will come out ahead with going with an old home. The quality and craftsmanship of these old homes are unmatched today. New homes are so cheap and basic today with high price tags. The fact that people will demolish a 30 year old home and build a new one in its place says a lot about how throw away these homes are. My home is 115 years old with gorgeous woodwork throughout. Have I had to make repairs and updates? Absolutely, but that comes with all home ownership.
@@WillieMeetsWorld you are absolutely spot on. And I have personal knowledge that the sloppy cheap work is performed by most ALL the big builders because I subbed for many of them. My house is only 67 years old, in Florida but the way it was built back then everything is all original despite Lord knows how many HURRICANES it has stood through. The city code inspectors were just a formality on the building sites I was on, some actually stood around an smoked weed with the company rep! Sadly I know of some private inspectors In town that are also completely comprised
Yes. I had one. It wasn’t bad tho & the usual one expects, but was 12 yrs ago. Sold after 10 yrs & I bought one from Meritage & was so pretty, but was a nightmare. New build & I sold after 3 1/2 yrs while market was great. I bought a 16 yr old. It’s a old world style on the lake with 4 acres 1 1/2 yrs ago. Love it!! Guess 3rd time is the charm.
learned a long time ago that the best home to buy is about 10 years old. By then it has settled and any major issues will be apparent so you know what you are getting.
Brand new home inspection usually focus's on poor framing causing bowed or crooked walls all over the house. This is absolutely disgusting to see how they just drywall/finish right over framing that is out of plumb or not square. Every home inspection has us all standing around looking at a crooked wall wondering how the hell the builder could do something like this. It is completely unacceptable and leave a lot of fear what is not seen.
My uncle was in construction for his career. Very successful and spent a majority as a construction manager. Even HE, with all that experience, had to constantly inspect when he was having his house built. Many, many times, things were done wrong, and if he didn't catch it in time, then it was as-is. No way will I ever have a house built (unless I can convince him to come out of retirement and help us, :))
My question is what the hell was DR Hortons intentions for building crappy ass homes in the first place and what did they gain! REALLY! CLOSE THEM DOWN!
I just googled Horton and found page-sized ad with smiling customers in front of their homes. They claim to have built 1M homes since 1978. Woops. I feel for these homebuyers.
A similar thing happened to me. No mold but a lot of problems with my new house. I skipped the inspection because it was a new house. I ended up selling it for almost 200K more than I paid in the first 2 years of ownership. 🙏🏾
I lived in a D.R . Horton home for one year in Yukon, Oklahoma and I could hear my husband conversation from the garage in to our master bedroom🤯… … any piece of furniture that we sat on floor like the kitchen table or chair left dents on the flooring. The house was a nightmare to live in (.) I’m grateful to God we rented 1st before buying🙇🏾♀️
@@queenofallusa5391good day to you. Edmond, Stillwater, Bethany, & Enid is a good start. Stay away from Oklahoma City public schools. Also, there is school choice voucher out here, so you also have options for private schools 🤩
It’s Pulte Homes from the 90’s with a new name. My Dad worked for them back then as a Quality Assurance Manager… he got fired for speaking up about the shitty (AND DANGEROUS) quality of these homes. When Pulte was all but run outta my state, it was a good thing. Now 15? 20? years later they’ve become DR Horton and the homes are EVERYWHERE here and the complaints are getting louder and louder and the homes are falling apart…
What is also bad is that for example in Nevada, most of these communities have home owners’ associations. What do they do with the HOA’s fee is a question that most owners have. These HOAs are very abusive because they are giving authority to foreclose for frivolous fees. No place like USA but there is much protection needed and the government should stop these HOAs. No need for them.
I will never understand why people don't research these companies before making such life changing decisions. New builds have been an issue for over a decade. Stop buying.
Home inspectors for your city can be pretty shady, too, though. I had windows installed in a Florid rat trap I had to totally rebuild, and the windows were put in incorrectly. They were installed against the studs, under the exterior plywood. That would lead to leaks which would rot the wood, destroy the stucco and basically cause the house to fall apart. Home Depot refused to reinstall, so I called the city inspector to fail the work, forcing Home Depot to fix it. He said, "No, I'm not going to fail it. Don't go starting up a bunch of bullshit with Home Depot". His name was Ken and was a building inspector for Cape Coral, Fl.
If you bring in inspectors be prepared for a fight if they find someone. Most builders are not just going to roll over and agree with your inspector. My inspector flagged a few issues and I really had to fight to get them corrected. Happy to say I researched Horton and steered clear of his homes. If you end up walking away you will lose your deposit money which is substantial.
I live in a DR Horton home in a subdivision in Jackson County Georgia. It’s about 350 homes so many people had problems with leaking roofs. I moved into my new home in 2021 and a few months ago, I had shingles starting to fly off of the roof that I had to have fixed. my air conditioner also broke 14 months after buying my home and the warranty was only for a year. My neighbor across the street for me her air conditioner also broke. She had to have walls taken down to have it fixed. I will never buy a DR Horton home again.
This is why I don’t get people supporting the cheap labor of homebuilder companies. Not only does one get what they pay for, but the designs of many of these newer homes are flawed. It’s no wonder they’re falling apart all over the country a’la Nevada, Georgia, DC, Arizona, etc.
I was involved in a class action against this builder in California. The attorney settled with them and I ended up getting a very small amount in compensation compared to the amount needed to cover all of the issues that my home had. Just be careful about joining a class action. The attorney in my case got 33% of the entire settlement, but the homeowners ended up with a pittance. It was extremely frustrating because the entire process took almost 2 years and the amount that I received was laughable.
We broa new DR Home in 2008...the plumbing had a knocking sound in master bathroom, one bedroom, you could feel air enter the house around outlet switches... so much more!
Just found out a friend’s son is incredibly sick because of mold in their two year old house.. She had to close her business (speech therapist in her home) and now they’re drowning in medical builds. We had a house in the same neighborhood (in Arizona). I’m worried now there may have been something in our house and caused health issues for my son.
DR Horton build home here in our neighborhood, many of the homeowners have had major mold problems, and many were bought by investors to rent out. Which has many problems, the city wanted low income housing and inspection left many doubt they were done right. Also warranty was never completed.
I could stick my entire arm into the ground when it rained in my DR Horton backyard. I had to build my own paver patio to fix that. Whatever they use doesn’t drain I had to fix my irrigation system myself. Overall it was a good deal, and we were happy, recommend hiring a top home inspector before moving in.
These tract builders not only produce homes of marginal quality. A city near me had a regional builder develop a neighborhood 25 years ago. There are sections of the subdivision where poor quality concrete was used for the curb and gutter. The municipality has been attempting to fix the problem by doing repairs as needed rather than a full replacement. In hindsight there should have been more thorough city procedures in place regarding inspections when the concrete was placed since these companies will attempt to cut corners wherever they can.
We don't have DR Horton in our region, but we have cheap builders along their same level. Same problems. Luckily, the cardboard sheathing is not code here locally.
IMO, new construction is just so sterile-looking and drab, too. And they are all cookie-cutter homes, where they only have a couple layouts with the only real option you have is to put the garage on the left side or the right side of the house. And the double arches that they have (where you have a small arch over the house and then a parallel arch over the garage) style just makes me sick lol. That's why I prefer older homes...they have much more character, and the neighborhoods they are in look so much nicer. If you look down a new neighborhood all you see is a long line of garage doors...and now they aren't even worth the ugliness because they are built like crap! 🤮
We looked at some models a few years back in Bradenton FL, together with a friend, and we were all shocked at the lousy design. We couldn't believe anyone would by these, just for the design alone.
D.R. Horton is not the only problem. How about holding the inspectors responsible. They’re supposed to identify these problems, and make sure they’re fixed. So, I’d sue DR Horton AND the inspectors.
How is this company even still in business???? Their horrible reputation has been around for years!!! They should have been put out of business a long time ago!!!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Buying a home is a HUGE purchase. People need to do their due dilligence when buying. A little research would have uncovered NUMEROUS lawsuits against this company. The "mass" building companies are ripping you off. Regardless of who the builder is make sure that you review the contracts; ensuring that escrow can be withheld until the home passes an independent inspection (by someone YOU choose).
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Funny how all anyone does is show how this is bad and yet it's never made illegal. It's also interesting how nothing has been done to companies like this.
A detention/retention basin is NOT an amenity & no one wants to buy a problem home (without major discount) if all is disclosed properly. Get your own inspections & camera the sewer lateral on all NEW homes.
They prey on young clueless families that know nothing about construction and quality. Most of the buyers move in to these communities for prestige and social status.
As someone who is looking to move next year to a completely different state and will be looking for pre-owned homes only, is there a resource to tell us which builder built a home that we are interested in? I know it might be somewhere in the home’s paperwork, but I would like to know who built a house before I make an offer on it. I certainly would not want to make an offer and then find out after we close that we bought a DR Horton home.
I warned my nephew and his father to fully check out these homes. They swore they had and even had another realtor warn them too but still wanted to proceed buying one at a staggering $600k+ sale price. You can only lead them to water. It’s up them to drink. 🤷🏼♀️
I'm not sure if any of the buyers featured in this segment were represented by a Realtor. With that said, this is exactly why it is so critical to use a Realtor when you are purchasing a home especially new construction. The salesperson in the office, home inspectors (apart from city code inspectors), subcontractors etc. work specifically for the seller. They do not have the buyers best interest at heart. Most buyers aren't even aware that they can bring in their own home inspector throughout the build process to include foundation, pre dry wall and final inspection - the inspector can also reinspect to make sure all of the areas of concern have been addressed by the builder. And buyers, even if the home has been competed, STILL get your own home inspection. The inspector will have to go through some red tape but as you can see from these examples, it's worth it. As a buyer, using a Realtor to rep you and bringing in your own home inspector has the potential to save you a boat load of money and eliminate the possibility of situations like these presented in this video from happening. Please for your own peace of mind, use a Realtor and be sure it's someone you know, like and trust.
My real estate agent has suggested a few DR Horton homes. I asked about how people are unhappy with their homes and the issues dealing with their claims department but she finds the right answers that had me still considering these homes. Is this a red flag or should i still continue to work with them??
@JanePotter-g4p I have had 3 DRH houses, and they were a nightmare. Do not buy a DRH home. Your agent needs to respect you and listen to you. I have been in the industry for 22yrs, I would never show a DRH house.
Never ever buy from a national builder, they are all the same. Buy from a small builder that actually works on the house , lives in the neighborhood and his wife does the books !!!
DR Horton has been known for shoddy construction for EONS! They build homes all over the US and literally everywhere they build, there are complaints. I lived in NM and same story. People have filed class action suits and DR Horton may or may not pay, but they just keeps on building.
As a DR Horton homeowner, the house is not total garbage, but they do seem to ignore you on the issues that you have with it as much as I can. Seem to try to do as little as possible to help you get the house to what would be a brand new, perfect condition like you would expect. They use loopholes in their contracts to get out of fixing stuff as well. And they lie.
Most of the contractors like to take short cuts, it makes them more money. I have seen some other videos on DR Horton and it was said they have limitations on the independent inspectors. Do not even go and take a look.
This is the summary of the rent vs buy decision I’ve been trying to figure out for years. The rental income vs mortgage payment calculation never made sense to me. But this is much more logical and makes far more sense. Thank you for simplifying this!
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There needs to be class action law suits against these sub par builders, put them out of business!
No! Absolutely not! Class action lawsuits only pay the victims a few bucks. They do NOT make the victims whole! There need to be individual lawsuits to make the victims of D.R. Horton whole!!!
@@tscoff that's exactly right! Only the lawfirm cleans up on class action cases
Warren Buffet loves DR Horton.
@ As an investment. Not for HIS home!
I blame the inspectors who are passing inspection on the homes
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Yes, and No. I found out you only need the bare minimum to pass inspection, and that is all they look for when inspecting homes. Additionally, I found out that they have so many homes to inspect and finish in a day, they honestly do not take the time to ensure every detail is correct, that is why you need to hire your own inspector. The inspectors for the town, county, city or whatever do not give a DAMN about your home.
@positive647 i mean...i figured that much, but i more meant the "oh we have our own guy" trick where the inspector is on the payroll
I also blame the construction workers.
@@positive647 they should because it is their cash cow.
I’m a Horton homeowner in the DFW area in Texas and my wife and I made sure we were out looking at our development at least twice a week. Hired outside inspection and made sure we weren’t signing up for a lemon. 👍🏾
Yep! Same here also in the DFW area. I took pictures during all of the construction phases. Fortunately, our builder in charge of our DR Horton home was top-notch. After the initial inspection I had a separate one done one year later. Very few issues so far going on five years.
The problem with hiring private inspectors like me is that there is little to zero impact our reports have with the builder. They literally do not care making it a situation where you have to just walk away. Very few people walk away at this point since they have invested a ton of time finding the particular house in question. I feel like my job is to tell buyers of brand new homes they are buying a piece of junk but its somehow ok to move forward because you have no other choice. Its a very awkward situation. Older home inspections are nothing like this at all.
@@petebusch9069 True but like you said you have to show them you are willing to walk away. My wife and I were legit ready to step away if the concerns weren’t fixed. Horton let us know what would happen blah blah blah but we told we have prepared for this deal to fall through if they didn’t adhere to our fixes and concerns. Almost like buying a car, you have to let them know you are willing to walk. As the consumer YOU have all the power!
DR Horton should be kicked out of every state.
I bought a DRH home in 2008. First home and it was brand new. I'm still in it now (but been looking to move). As I've updated one thing after another, I've seen how they cut corners. The worst was finding out that there was no osb/plywood between the drywall and siding when my house was damaged in the 2021 freeze that hit Houston. The contractor was shocked and it made sense why so much noise came in through the walls. I will NEVER EVER buy a DRH home again!
I’m in Northwest San Antonio and I remember that freeze well. That is just horrible. I’m sorry that happened to you. My apartment complex is pretty old and during that freeze my second story apartment was so cold inside and they kept turning the electricity off for hours and hours at a time and the cold air was coming in through my windows. I had to put towels all around Windows and all around my doors this place needs to be weatherproofed badly! And in the summertime, my apartment gets hot even though my central air conditioner works perfectly
Hi ladies. Sorry about your troubles....that's awful. I wanted to say that I've never heard of homes getting damaged by freezes. I'm in Indiana and we get freezing temps a lot. Now I'm wondering if they build houses with that many differences in different areas.
@Leslie537 the pipes run through the ceiling here. We lost power for several days. The pipes ended up bursting so it was a waterfall coming from the ceiling. By the time the adjuster made it out, mold was growing. And part of the ceiling ended up on the floor. I had to redo the entire master bathroom. The upside was I got to design it the way I wanted.
That kind of siding is actually to code, and it's not exclusive to them. It's basically siding and plywood in one. T11. It's unfortunately the cheapest stuff you can use, and I personally, as a contractor, would not ever buy a house that had it. It's nice to have two layers of protection.
@cuchanu I know it's single wall construction. But here in TX it's not good because of all the high winds we deal with. I was a young 1st time home buyer then but I've done research so I make a better choice with my next home. DRH has lawsuits for a reason and I've seen their shoddy work first hand.
This is why we decided to keep our 1950 concrete block home. A little love and care and no regrets
Absolutely correct.homes built 50 + years ago are way better built than the homes today. So quickly thrown together along with low quality materials alot of time there is unqualified contractors doing the work.
Stop buying their homes and when their stock prices fall they will care.
Most ppl put in the deposit and just focus on the design studio. In fact new home builder stokers should be contacting a private inspector in different phases of construction. For instance, do you know for sure that they are putting in adequate insulation. It’s all covered by drywall.
It seems to me that it wouldn't take very much research for somebody who was going to buy one of their homes to find out all of this information. But maybe they don't even think that it's relevant because they feel like the system will protect them. Unfortunately it doesn't.
How awful! I feel so bad for these families. We were warned about DR Horton Homes at the beginning of our home search. They are everywhere here in TN.
It took us 3 years to find a home, and it’s NOT a drh! We close in about 2 weeks. Be patient. Don’t settle.
Regarding inspections, hire an inspector on your own mo matter how old the house is. We bought a 1940s house and our realtor offered to refer an inspector. Luckily, our lender already gave us advice about finding an independent one, and that any recommended by a realtor is not fully independent. The realtor’s goal is to close the sale, so you don’t want an inspector who is ultimately on the realtor’s “side.”
While we were happy with our realtor, she expressed a lot of surprise that our inspector spent three hours, climbed onto the roof, gave attention to the backyard shed, etc. the inspector’s report was about 20 pages long and gave info on timelines for future expected maintenance, and descriptions of what was right in addition to what needed to be addressed. We felt we had genuine information on whether the house was a good purchase.
That's awesome. That's what inspectors are supposed to do. Glad you got a good one!
Not just Horton, there are a slew of builders that are just the same. We had an expensive Toll Bros home that we thought was quality, just to find the same flimsy build underneath all the glitz. We also went to look at several other builders with homes in mid build (before the siding, etc. was installed), and I can tell you they are all using the same junk in mass. We finally had to find a lot, an architect/designer, and a builder to get a decent, well built home for almost the same price.
Unfortunately, even those that tout themselves as high end custom do the same crap, often the same subs as the cheapies, under those prettier finishes.
Be very careful with new home construction. I hired a home inspector so that he could keep an eye while the home was being built from the ground up. He has a huge list of things that the home builder had to address. Well worth the money spent. No issues after 12 years of living in my home. I also kept an eye on the construction. Good stuff as always Jackie. From your fellow Gen X friend.
Same experience here. I spent 5 months overseeing the construction and almost daily did I have to tell them to stop doing XYZ and start doing ABC. It was ridiculous. Cut corners in front of my eyes. Put a stop to that and got a new crew. The house is beautiful.
Wow! 😮 It's so sad. People are putting their life savings into the payments, yet the company can not be brought accountable.❌️❌️❌️
Sad but VERY important video and thanks for the warnings, Jackie. You can add Pulte, K B Homes and so many other companies who do SHODDY work in these new homes. I would NEVER consider doing business with these builders who hire the cheapest labor they can find and it shows in the HORRIFIC work they do. Buy an older home after getting it carefully inspected and make sure the original builder did quality work. My heart goes out to all of these homeowners who are stuck with these home NIGHTMARES, especially with the mold issues. I hope that these lawsuits are successful against these shoddy builders.
My Cousin is working with KB homes right now in Southern California. She’s a five star realtor and they have actually upped their game. They’re doing a lot better work now on their homes.
Lennar is trash. Look at the reviews if you’re thinking of buying one.
@@texasgina I grew up in CA. and I still would NEVER buy a KB Home!
@@ericbemmerly6653 Lennar is another LOUSY builder!
When I see KB Homes I always think of KB Toys. And I guess it might as well be the same company. 😊
Every county, every city in America has building inspectors that are employed and paid by the local citizens tax dollars. The building inspectors job is to inspect and protect the consumer from fraudulent, unsafe, and other issues with new home builds. Why are these officials not being held accountable for passing off these homes to the consumer by giving it the green light for occupancy?
@@denisekearl5846 the 2006 international code book is 40 percent the size of a 2012 code book..every 3 years the codes get stricter. The code book will be 2 to 3 thousand pages and 6 inches thick in a decade this trend continues.
The laws should be changed to prevent builders from escaping liability by filing for bankruptcy protection and to allow the executives of building companies to be prosecuted for fraud and other crimes.
I agree! If ALL HOME BUILDERS were held accountable, they would make sure to build the home correctly, instead of rushing to get it done and not correcting the mistakes.
I wish, but that's not gonna happen. Not when the convicted felon going to the white house filed for bankruptcy half a dozen times.
When buying a new home from ANY builder, get a 3rd party inspection before the drywall is up and once the home in complete. Do not close until everything is 100%.
Burbs of Atlanta and was standing in line with a lady at the bank and she was telling me don’t buy DR Horton. Flood and water issues. Electrical.
Made me glad that I bot an 840 sq ft mostly restored 1940s bungalow on half an acre. Got a good deal on it also (for what today’s prices are).
Not long ago I remember seeing a Facebook post that showed the quality of the lumber used in building homes in the 2020s to be considerably worse now than homes built 50 years ago. To today's corporate builders, it's all about cosmetics and features and less about the quality of the structure.
Agreed, so many people and their children have become very ill hidden toxic mold exposure from poorly built homes and crappy moldy lumber and have no idea why they have headaches, fatigue, kids with sensory issues, pins and needle, numbness, electric shock pains, muscle and bone pain. It’s truly a tragedy. My family and I barely survived a gorgeous newly built home… it took is 2 years to figure out what was going on. Prayers for anyone going through similar.
My granddad started building the house I used to own in 1931. EVERYTHING was done with quality lumber back then, even many built during the "Great Depression."
All of the homes Grandpa built with his brothers, and then the last one with my dad, are still standing and people are still living in them. It's called having pride in the quality of your work.
I wish it would come back in style.
I cant believe anyone buys a DRH home. The amount of bad publicity is far more than any other builder. They build garbage.
I live in Houston, TX, and I am looking for new construction in Sealy, TX, and DR Horton, which is the builder our there. Seeing this, i will pass. Thank you for the video ❤
Good call
Yup you dodged a bullet.🙂 th-cam.com/video/DX1T84AVEDY/w-d-xo.html
It’s what happens when housing becomes more scarce and they know folks are desperate.
We need alternative builders
Hopefully my townhome will be worth a lot more. 😂
We are out there but we have to charge more for better quality and service and first time buyers cannot afford us.
What "alternative builders" would be much different than these lousy builders?
@@DougCeleste Go back and see what methods were done decades ago.
I wish I knew this before we bought our new home in TX. Years later I still have drywall that keeps cracking, walls that are not square. Faulty electrical work and poor installation of roof shingles. This was a new house in 2018.
DR Horton built a load of homes here in South Jersey (exit 5), and asking ridiculous amounts of $ for them! I heard these horror stories before, too much money for homes that are built like 💩
Newer homes in jersey are mostly poor quality unfortunately
Thank you for reporting on this. It is a very important topic that home owners and buyers need to know about. I gather that most would not inspect a new build and throughly as an older home. Great advice and a warning. I would have never imagined that a builder would do this knowingly.
I work alongside DR Horton making signs for them. Their houses are poorly built. I would never buy a new home after seeing their house builds
True, just wondering as a home inspector what your complaints are. Not trying to argue with you, I just like hearing feed back on new homes.
Why don’t we also blame home inspectors. They charge 400-500$ what do they even do then
Home inspectors are given a license to steal from the word, “GO!!!” My home inspector was so bad that I ended up not paying him, and that was the end of that nonsense!!! They are all crooked!!!!
How about the cities who are suppose to inspect at every step ?
Sad part is, most flippers and new construction know how to cut corners where the drywall, etc will cover it. Inspectors make it very clear in their report, they only can inspect what can be seen. They do not know how the house was actually built.
These companies WILL NOT change. There a too many other home buyers who will buy a house without any inspection and be perfectly happy. You will be amazed at how uneducated some home buyers are.
It's easier said than done when you say to walk away from the sale. Most people had to put 10% down. Also, I had a pre-drywall inspection, pe- closing inspection, and an 11-month inspection. For the most part, if it is not a code violation, they do not care what your inspection report states. You will need to fight them tooth and nail. The 1-year warranty is another joke. They pick and choose what they will fix. My advice is don't "Walk In" and you will not have to worry about walking away.
Older houses are legitimate castles built by craftsmanship and old growth lumber.
Houses built with Pride and Talent.
Great video! Annnnnd this is why I will take a well maintained OLD HOME over any new build today with the exception of a custom build by a private builder. I know Jackie in one of her videos caution on old homes, but with doing your due diligence, you will come out ahead with going with an old home. The quality and craftsmanship of these old homes are unmatched today. New homes are so cheap and basic today with high price tags. The fact that people will demolish a 30 year old home and build a new one in its place says a lot about how throw away these homes are. My home is 115 years old with gorgeous woodwork throughout. Have I had to make repairs and updates? Absolutely, but that comes with all home ownership.
@@WillieMeetsWorld you are absolutely spot on. And I have personal knowledge that the sloppy cheap work is performed by most ALL the big builders because I subbed for many of them. My house is only 67 years old, in Florida but the way it was built back then
everything is all original despite Lord knows how many HURRICANES it has stood through. The city code inspectors were just a formality on the building sites I was on, some actually stood around an smoked weed with the company rep! Sadly I know of some private inspectors In town that are also completely comprised
It's a shame. People are finally able to realize their dream and it turns into a nightmare.
Yes. I had one. It wasn’t bad tho & the usual one expects, but was 12 yrs ago. Sold after 10 yrs & I bought one from Meritage & was so pretty, but was a nightmare. New build & I sold after 3 1/2 yrs while market was great. I bought a 16 yr old. It’s a old world style on the lake with 4 acres 1 1/2 yrs ago. Love it!! Guess 3rd time is the charm.
Thanks for sharing
These home inspectors need to be held accountable as well.
learned a long time ago that the best home to buy is about 10 years old. By then it has settled and any major issues will be apparent so you know what you are getting.
@@YESITSWILL this makes sense
Perhaps stop allowing the selling of any DR Horton home loans on the secondary mortgage market!!
Self build is the only way at this point. Law makers don't care about anyone but corporations. Self build.
Brand new home inspection usually focus's on poor framing causing bowed or crooked walls all over the house. This is absolutely disgusting to see how they just drywall/finish right over framing that is out of plumb or not square. Every home inspection has us all standing around looking at a crooked wall wondering how the hell the builder could do something like this. It is completely unacceptable and leave a lot of fear what is not seen.
My uncle was in construction for his career. Very successful and spent a majority as a construction manager. Even HE, with all that experience, had to constantly inspect when he was having his house built. Many, many times, things were done wrong, and if he didn't catch it in time, then it was as-is. No way will I ever have a house built (unless I can convince him to come out of retirement and help us, :))
My question is what the hell was DR Hortons intentions for building crappy ass homes in the first place and what did they gain! REALLY! CLOSE THEM DOWN!
I just googled Horton and found page-sized ad with smiling customers in front of their homes. They claim to have built 1M homes since 1978. Woops. I feel for these homebuyers.
A similar thing happened to me. No mold but a lot of problems with my new house. I skipped the inspection because it was a new house. I ended up selling it for almost 200K more than I paid in the first 2 years of ownership. 🙏🏾
I live in one. Lots of mistakes were made when built.
I'm sorry that happened
@@JackieBaker Thank you!
bro, you can't fix mold once it reaches a certain level. tear it down!
I lived in a D.R . Horton home for one year in Yukon, Oklahoma and I could hear my husband conversation from the garage in to our master bedroom🤯… … any piece of furniture that we sat on floor like the kitchen table or chair left dents on the flooring. The house was a nightmare to live in (.) I’m grateful to God we rented 1st before buying🙇🏾♀️
Hello, I'm planning on moving to the OKC area. Which places have the best school district? Thanks
@@queenofallusa5391good day to you. Edmond, Stillwater, Bethany, & Enid is a good start. Stay away from Oklahoma City public schools. Also, there is school choice voucher out here, so you also have options for private schools 🤩
It’s Pulte Homes from the 90’s with a new name. My Dad worked for them back then as a Quality Assurance Manager… he got fired for speaking up about the shitty (AND DANGEROUS) quality of these homes. When Pulte was all but run outta my state, it was a good thing. Now 15? 20? years later they’ve become DR Horton and the homes are EVERYWHERE here and the complaints are getting louder and louder and the homes are falling apart…
What is also bad is that for example in Nevada, most of these communities have home owners’ associations. What do they do with the HOA’s fee is a question that most owners have. These HOAs are very abusive because they are giving authority to foreclose for frivolous fees. No place like USA but there is much protection needed and the government should stop these HOAs. No need for them.
These home buyers are going to be underwater in no time,on top of paying for a junk home.
DR Horton built my house in 2006. The wall is like the starfoam. I can hear the water running from the pipe. We end up with a lawsuit.
Did you win? Are you still in the home? That Styrofoam wall sounds VERY concerning!
@DougCeleste I short sale the house. In 2012 after I received military orders to move to Germany. Thank god.
All around the Ocala FL area, all these houses are wooden stick homes!!! No concrete block homes in a hurricane prone state!!!
I will never understand why people don't research these companies before making such life changing decisions. New builds have been an issue for over a decade. Stop buying.
Home inspectors for your city can be pretty shady, too, though. I had windows installed in a Florid rat trap I had to totally rebuild, and the windows were put in incorrectly. They were installed against the studs, under the exterior plywood. That would lead to leaks which would rot the wood, destroy the stucco and basically cause the house to fall apart. Home Depot refused to reinstall, so I called the city inspector to fail the work, forcing Home Depot to fix it. He said, "No, I'm not going to fail it. Don't go starting up a bunch of bullshit with Home Depot". His name was Ken and was a building inspector for Cape Coral, Fl.
If you bring in inspectors be prepared for a fight if they find someone. Most builders are not just going to roll over and agree with your inspector. My inspector flagged a few issues and I really had to fight to get them corrected. Happy to say I researched Horton and steered clear of his homes. If you end up walking away you will lose your deposit money which is substantial.
They don't care about their customers they only care about money. All home builders who do this needs to be held accountable for their crimes.
I live in a DR Horton home in a subdivision in Jackson County Georgia. It’s about 350 homes so many people had problems with leaking roofs. I moved into my new home in 2021 and a few months ago, I had shingles starting to fly off of the roof that I had to have fixed. my air conditioner also broke 14 months after buying my home and the warranty was only for a year. My neighbor across the street for me her air conditioner also broke. She had to have walls taken down to have it fixed. I will never buy a DR Horton home again.
This is why I don’t get people supporting the cheap labor of homebuilder companies. Not only does one get what they pay for, but the designs of many of these newer homes are flawed. It’s no wonder they’re falling apart all over the country a’la Nevada, Georgia, DC, Arizona, etc.
Great report, unfortunately. I'm in the housing market, and I'm so glad you came out with this report.
I was involved in a class action against this builder in California. The attorney settled with them and I ended up getting a very small amount in compensation compared to the amount needed to cover all of the issues that my home had. Just be careful about joining a class action. The attorney in my case got 33% of the entire settlement, but the homeowners ended up with a pittance. It was extremely frustrating because the entire process took almost 2 years and the amount that I received was laughable.
That's awful. I'm so sorry.
Landscapers building homes...surprise. Large home builders payoff politicians to keep them safe from lawsuits.
We broa new DR Home in 2008...the plumbing had a knocking sound in master bathroom, one bedroom, you could feel air enter the house around outlet switches... so much more!
Built by D.R. Horton is a red flag to me. So is built by Lennar. Both of them build second rate houses and cut corners left and right.
They are both trash.
Just found out a friend’s son is incredibly sick because of mold in their two year old house.. She had to close her business (speech therapist in her home) and now they’re drowning in medical builds. We had a house in the same neighborhood (in Arizona). I’m worried now there may have been something in our house and caused health issues for my son.
I love that guy saying they need to be kicked out of Louisiana!
When a contractor hires untrained and many times illiterate labor force, from another country, the results soon become known !
DR Horton build home here in our neighborhood, many of the homeowners have had major mold problems, and many were bought by investors to rent out. Which has many problems, the city wanted low income housing and inspection left many doubt they were done right. Also warranty was never completed.
I could stick my entire arm into the ground when it rained in my DR Horton backyard. I had to build my own paver patio to fix that. Whatever they use doesn’t drain I had to fix my irrigation system myself. Overall it was a good deal, and we were happy, recommend hiring a top home inspector before moving in.
Such a helpful video. Thank you for your honesty.
You are so welcome!
Blame the incompetent city officials high taxes garbage Inspectors.
DR Horton responded with a template mission statement, pathetic. Great vid
Thanks for watching!
I bought a Reverend Horton Heat home and I love it.
@@stickyfox LOL! 😂 Gotta be from Texas to catch that one!! ❤️
I love your videos Jackie! ❤
Many of those lawsuits should also name the municipal/county inspectors.
These tract builders not only produce homes of marginal quality. A city near me had a regional builder develop a neighborhood 25 years ago. There are sections of the subdivision where poor quality concrete was used for the curb and gutter. The municipality has been attempting to fix the problem by doing repairs as needed rather than a full replacement. In hindsight there should have been more thorough city procedures in place regarding inspections when the concrete was placed since these companies will attempt to cut corners wherever they can.
If certified Building Departments were sued, including the municipalities they work for, would halt to egregious code violations being approved.
Builders will not allow your inspector on the site until your initial walk through. They simply will not sell you the house.
We don't have DR Horton in our region, but we have cheap builders along their same level. Same problems. Luckily, the cardboard sheathing is not code here locally.
IMO, new construction is just so sterile-looking and drab, too. And they are all cookie-cutter homes, where they only have a couple layouts with the only real option you have is to put the garage on the left side or the right side of the house. And the double arches that they have (where you have a small arch over the house and then a parallel arch over the garage) style just makes me sick lol. That's why I prefer older homes...they have much more character, and the neighborhoods they are in look so much nicer. If you look down a new neighborhood all you see is a long line of garage doors...and now they aren't even worth the ugliness because they are built like crap! 🤮
Exactly. Well said.
We looked at some models a few years back in Bradenton FL, together with a friend, and we were all shocked at the lousy design. We couldn't believe anyone would by these, just for the design alone.
Yes I live in the area and their homes are terrible. Sky high price for horrible construction!
D.R. Horton is not the only problem. How about holding the inspectors responsible. They’re supposed to identify these problems, and make sure they’re fixed. So, I’d sue DR Horton AND the inspectors.
Fact: Officials who make the rules and the home builders' CEOs do NOT care. All they care about is maximizing profits at all costs.
Wake up people.
in TX very hard to sue homebuilders
How is this company even still in business???? Their horrible reputation has been around for years!!! They should have been put out of business a long time ago!!!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Buying a home is a HUGE purchase. People need to do their due dilligence when buying. A little research would have uncovered NUMEROUS lawsuits against this company. The "mass" building companies are ripping you off. Regardless of who the builder is make sure that you review the contracts; ensuring that escrow can be withheld until the home passes an independent inspection (by someone YOU choose).
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Funny how all anyone does is show how this is bad and yet it's never made illegal. It's also interesting how nothing has been done to companies like this.
A detention/retention basin is NOT an amenity & no one wants to buy a problem home (without major discount) if all is disclosed properly.
Get your own inspections & camera the sewer lateral on all NEW homes.
They prey on young clueless families that know nothing about construction and quality. Most of the buyers move in to these communities for prestige and social status.
As someone who is looking to move next year to a completely different state and will be looking for pre-owned homes only, is there a resource to tell us which builder built a home that we are interested in? I know it might be somewhere in the home’s paperwork, but I would like to know who built a house before I make an offer on it. I certainly would not want to make an offer and then find out after we close that we bought a DR Horton home.
I warned my nephew and his father to fully check out these homes. They swore they had and even had another realtor warn them too but still wanted to proceed buying one at a staggering $600k+ sale price. You can only lead them to water. It’s up them to drink. 🤷🏼♀️
Your editor is using the grindr sound haha! Also thank you for this vital information!
I'm not sure if any of the buyers featured in this segment were represented by a Realtor. With that said, this is exactly why it is so critical to use a Realtor when you are purchasing a home especially new construction. The salesperson in the office, home inspectors (apart from city code inspectors), subcontractors etc. work specifically for the seller. They do not have the buyers best interest at heart. Most buyers aren't even aware that they can bring in their own home inspector throughout the build process to include foundation, pre dry wall and final inspection - the inspector can also reinspect to make sure all of the areas of concern have been addressed by the builder. And buyers, even if the home has been competed, STILL get your own home inspection. The inspector will have to go through some red tape but as you can see from these examples, it's worth it. As a buyer, using a Realtor to rep you and bringing in your own home inspector has the potential to save you a boat load of money and eliminate the possibility of situations like these presented in this video from happening. Please for your own peace of mind, use a Realtor and be sure it's someone you know, like and trust.
Those companies are building houses with cheap materials and putting in the market sooo overpriced !🤦🏽♂️😤
My real estate agent has suggested a few DR Horton homes. I asked about how people are unhappy with their homes and the issues dealing with their claims department but she finds the right answers that had me still considering these homes.
Is this a red flag or should i still continue to work with them??
Get a new RE agent.
If you're not comfortable, especially after doing your own research, do not consider it.
@JanePotter-g4p I have had 3 DRH houses, and they were a nightmare. Do not buy a DRH home. Your agent needs to respect you and listen to you. I have been in the industry for 22yrs, I would never show a DRH house.
Run!!! Don't do it.
Never ever buy from a national builder, they are all the same. Buy from a small builder that actually works on the house , lives in the neighborhood and his wife does the books !!!
I don’t understand how they are still in business and I don’t understand like are these people not doing their research…
Please do a story about the homes in Severance Colorado. The homes are TERRIBLE!
DR Horton has been known for shoddy construction for EONS! They build homes all over the US and literally everywhere they build, there are complaints. I lived in NM and same story. People have filed class action suits and DR Horton may or may not pay, but they just keeps on building.
As a DR Horton homeowner, the house is not total garbage, but they do seem to ignore you on the issues that you have with it as much as I can. Seem to try to do as little as possible to help you get the house to what would be a brand new, perfect condition like you would expect. They use loopholes in their contracts to get out of fixing stuff as well. And they lie.
Most of the contractors like to take short cuts, it makes them more money. I have seen some other videos on DR Horton and it was said they have limitations on the independent inspectors. Do not even go and take a look.