In a fallen world you should expect bad things to happen. However, God provides to those who seek Him and repent. I went to jail on a false charge. But in jail I found God. After I did, I was let out and found a good life waiting outside.
@@CrownOfThornss Why did your god commit many genocides? Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides? Will you kill your own child when your god asks? Why do you worship this moral monster?
i'm still not clear, is the fall a punishment from god, or is it a corruption of nature caused by sin? cos we're fixing all the ills of the fall, diseases are the best example, but fractures, eyesight, dentistry, hearing - all major surgery, how come we can fix stuff that god inflicted? and if it was a corruption of nature, why didn't god put a stop to it? he doesn't really love us? and never forget, jesus healed a leper - humans cured leprosy. god is crap.
If an all-good, all-knowing, all-powerful entity can create beings who, of their own free will, choose good some of the time, then he can create beings that, of their own free will, choose good all of the time.
Imagine you are a very wealthy powerful prince. There is a young woman that has never seen you that you would like to make your bride but she is very poor and is considered to be in the lowest cast system in your culture. How would you approach her?
@@byrondickens Right. But I see no evidence Christianity is true in my daily life. No evidence of anything supernatural, no evidence my prayer works, nothing. It seems as though the only things I can know about God are what other people tell me.
Which god. There have been over 4000 religions and god claims and none, zero, zilch, nada got even close to being true. Once you understand why you reject every other god's claim then you we will understand why we reject them all.
meh. another below average god channel spewing out the same old worn out arguments you lot can let go of. the best part is this is a great way to make atheists, this guy is an embarrassment.
I fully understand the necessity of evil. What I don't understand is sending souls to eternal hell, for a literal moment of stupidity (this life), to suffer far beyond any pain they could ever even hope to inflict here. I'm praying constantly for an answer why this is just. Why create souls in the first place, if 97% will end this way?
I was not a planned child. In fact, my parents wanted to abort me (just didn't have the money for the procedure). That was the best thing that could've happened to my soul.
Become a Catholic. Then repent your Sin to a latter day disciple of Christ, i. e. a priest. True repentance is saying sorry in a fully remorseful way and never doing it again. Then you don't have to go to hell🙏💓
Watch InspiringPhilosophy's video on Hell. We tend to misunderstand sin as only encompassing acts, but the fact of the matter is humans have a tendency towards sin, or what Catholics call concupiscence. The Reformed tradition characterizes our tendency towards sin as being so potent that humans are incapable of genuinely seeking out, willing, and performing the will of God on their own. But the more likely reason we have concupiscence is that we are naturally worldly and seek our own self-interest. In other words, we have concupiscence because a part of us still wants and retains it, and this is contrary to seeking out the will of God. The grace of God is required for our salvation and ability to seek, will, and perform the will of God and be united with Christ.
@@arthurrock4979 Hello Arthur. What are your hobbies? Do you like Drama, Music? I ask because I'm looking for voices for a song of mine. I have the music but need the voices, and there's a special part for one similar to your story.
Great video ! You adressed quite brillantly the logical problem of evil, please make a video of adressing the evidential problem of evil, i also think that you should go deeper in topics in the future and opt for longer video , thanks again for your work
lol. not really. so, the only way to test if souls are suitable for heaven is for an immaterial being to create material beings so they can become immaterial beings which the chief immaterial being then burns as punishment for failing the test. all this requires subatomic robots of course. this is not idiotic in anyway. and burning immaterial stuff is punishment. all makes total sense.
But an all good all-powerful and all-knowing God can create a world with zero evil and still be able to complete his plan and not abandon Free Will. He has the ability to do this. If his doesn't then he's not all-powerful or he wants evil to exist.
For Aquinas, it seems like there would be room for fallen principalities derilecting their natural state, to be the source of much natural evil, i.e. storms, earthquakes, diseases, etc, Did he speak on this anywhere?
If god requires the existence of evil as a necessary step towards the greater good, then god is not all powerful. An all powerful god would have no such limits.
If evil exists, then there must be someone who defined what is evil, God. If there is no God, then evil or good is just an opinion, an opinion that varies from person to person. Many atheists say there is no objective truth (which ironically is basically an objective truth); one persons’s “good” is another persons “evil”. So, how can anyone say anything is evil, or good? It’s all meaningless--without God.
2:23 quite controversial (depending on how each of god's attributes are defined, of course). 3:00 how do you know? sometimes i stub my toe on purpose. 3:18 what about hick, irenaeus (however his name is spelt), plantinga, etc.? 3:53 i guess aquinas' response is a sort of generalised version of hick, irenaeus, and plantinga, but it seems aquinas hasn't really answered the objection unlike the men i have previously mentioned (although you may disagree). 5:03 i understand that you are responding to the logical version, but when the title is called '... to the problem of evil', it would be like me saying 'the cosmological argument fails because per se causation is flawed' - this is an extreme example but maybe my point is that barely any philosophers (that i know of) defend the logical problem, although i know new atheists may do. so maybe a more apt analogy is me saying 'the cosmological argument fails because if everything had a cause, then what caused god?' - again this is exaggerated, but little people (and i hope no-one) would defend the non-existent 'the cosmological argument', as very few should defend the logical problem of evil. and it would be unfair for me to make it seem as if i have destroyed all cosmological arguments by saying 'what caused god'. 6:43 i may've said this before, but would this not entail that a possible world barren of everything is as 'evil' as a possible world wherein billions of people continuously and infinitely break spaghetti in half? this just seems wrong to me 7:09 dunno about that one u really ought to have more subscribers, your channel is amazing, please do keep up this work and challenge people's brains
1. Perhaps, but I'm talking about classical theism here. I can't help it if other things have been called "God" that really shouldn't be. 2. The purpose of your toe is independent of your purposes for it - the toe, intrinsically, is not the sort of thing that's supposed to be injured. 3. Well, I'm simplifying a bit. 4. Right, I would say that Aquinas really gives the core answer to the problem of evil. 5. That's a fair point, and I guess I should have clarified that Aquinas' response to the problem of evil is a response to the logical problem of evil, not any version of the evidential problem of evil. I'll definitely be addressing the evidential problem of evil in future videos. 6. Well, I think the world where people break spaghetti in half would be less evil, since in that world at least some things exist (people, spaghetti, hands, etc.), and things existing is good. Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate you consistently following my content these last few weeks.
@@Thomas-Cahill 1. i'd say it also comes down to the definition of all powerful, all knowing, etc. as seemingly some being cannot know all true propositions as we run into russellian paradoxes for example. maybe this is pedantic on my part by if we look at yujin nagasawa's maximal being--with the greatest compossible collection of great-making features--this being probably wouldn't have maximal knowledge, or maximal power (for example), he would only have the maximal power you can have given maximal knowledge is also possessed. I doubt that yujin is a classical theist (i'm not too sure many are these days especially with the oxford school regarding god's temporality) 2.(just to clarify, this was a joke but i think some interesting points can be made). im not sure why it is intrinsically not meant to be injured. further, are pain receptors in my toe not meant to fire when something potentially harmful occurs to my toe? this previous point fails but i think it is interesting. How are we to know the real purposes of biological 'items' or 'objects' beyond our own purposes for them? 3. fair 4. fair 5. i cant wait, im very intruiged by that problem and i cant say ive looked into theist responses at all so good luck 6. what about a world in which babies are constantly tortured--would the goodness that comes from babies existing override the badness of them being tortured? why is things existing good? would a possible world wherein one million marshmallows exist be more good than one where one [human] foetus exists?
MY WAYS ARE NOT YOUR WAYS SAYS THE LORD, OUR GOD 1- The One and Only God of Israel, of all Truth and Love , who from out of the super abundance of His love iand goodness created mankind of flesh and bones and not just spiritual beings like the angels ,nor automatons to fellowship with , fully knowing that love and true friendship can not be forced or bought if it is to be the real thing. . 2- But the only thing even an omnipotent God like Ours can't do is to create another being ALMIGHTY, OMNIPRESENT AND OMNISCIENT AS HE IS, since God isn't a created being. Jesus, God incarnate isn't created but begotten of God the Father like the Credo affirms. 3- Also it isn't God who is about doing evil but men the ones SEEn in the news daily for their own selfish motives and reasons. 4- And death entered the fallen world by Adam and Eve choosing to do things THEIR way ( rolling the die a la SINatra in ''From here to Eternity'' to lose in the end ) after being warned by God to only see thei rown son Cain murder his own brother Abel, as that sounds. 5- But still out of the over abundance of love fin His heart for US , for ALL of humanity , after a life of loving ALL and doing good till his rXcruciating death , talking the talk but walkingt the walk, and an extra mile as well. with arms wide open offering humanity an eternal embrace of love from God The Father and a second chance in an even better garden ''EDEN 2.0 HEAVEN'' for those willing to take His narrow path to salvation. 6- None the paradox as Epicurus thought after all and No eXcuses LEFT. to insist in doing evil or complaining to God hanging from a cross as the lot He chose for His own life, while being heaven minded though.. 7-And that's the rest of the story (The Greatest story ever told, mind you) . Good night!...Shema!!!
Aquina's response rests on the premisse that all existing evils are useful for the creation of the maximum good. In fact, I'd argue that it entails that evil really doesn't exist because all are instrumental in the achievent of a maximally good state. And so, the only evil act would be to disrupt the natural order that includes evils so that it would stop the maximum good from happening. But then this would be impossible as well, because we, as created beings would have no power to actually stop god's plans. So it follows that we are capable of no evil, all actions and events will necessarily lead to the final maximally good state. If we take the view that evil is the absence of good, we arrive at a contradiction. If all absence of good is conducive to a greater abundance of good, then in the absence of good there is good, so no absence of good can exist. And if evil is some sort of parasitic phenomenon to good, it's also a contradiction, because if a phenomenon becomes more conducive to good when evil is added than without, than the actual evil thing would be the purely good version of the phenomenon, which then would make what we call evil, not evil, and what we call good, not good and so all these concepts would just be all confused with each other.
I've just realized something. I've responded to your videos a number of times already with counterarguments. I'm doing this because I think it's fun to argue on these topics, but since it seems that you're atill a small creator, just starting your channel, it may be very hurtfull to see these disagreeing comments. I don't know if you read them, but if you felt offended by them, I wich to say that I mean no disrespect and these are iin no way menat to be personal attacks. Your videos are in fact quite nice, and it's fun to watch them. Whenever I comment these counterarguments, it's just a fun intelectual exercise for me, as these videos must be for you. Best of luck ;)
Your counterarguments are good, but they lack spiritual insight. You are right when you state that we have no power to stop God's plans, but that doesn't mean we cannot CHOOSE to do good in our time, over evil. "All actions...will necessarily lead to the finally maximal good state" - yes, that is God's work, but at what cost? Allow me to save you some time here, the cost is Christ, my friend. Turn to Him!
@@NickyTmathew well the arguments i'm responding to are logical arguments, the point of making such arguments is yo rely solelynon logical reasoning. My response is of the same kind. If this was an different kind of diacussion maybe i could have some spiritual insight. Although i wonder what that means to you exactly, because you seemed to just agree with what i said, but rejected the conclusion for some reason. I also wonder what it means for the cost to be christ. Honestly seems like a play of words
Hey love the vid. Idk if I agree with the evil is a privation of good idea. For instance pain isn’t exactly the absence of pleasure. Like if I get punched i would feel bad even if i had never felt joy.
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! I think I would say that since pain is our body's way of telling us about a physical deficiency or injury in itself, it is necessarily tied to the absence of a good - namely, the good of health. How does that strike you?
The idea that evil is simply a privation of good seems to render the "evil is necessary" argument moot. Cold is the absence of heat. If I am a perfect being capable of maximizing heat, it would be very curious if I needed cold to accomplish this... If I am a perfect being, it would also be curious if I needed to make plates with chips in them to reach the perfect plate. In this case I might be able to imagine a scenario of learning to make plates, and making imperfect plates on the way to attaining a perfect one, but this is God we're talking about... and a being that can make a plate in a single shot is more perfect than one that messes things up before he gets it right. The other problem with this resolution to evil, is that is claims that we can know nothing at all about the moral fabric of the world we live in. If we can be mistaken about evil, and fail to see the good behind it, our ability to act as moral agents in the world completely falls apart. A serial killer could kill as many people as possible and we could do nothing but say "wow, imagine all the hidden good this is doing, I can't personally see it, but that's just because I'm a human and I don't know any better". This treatment of evil is unfalsifiable. There's no amount of evil in the world you couldn't explain away with the promise of some future good that's just around the corner.
God drawing good out of evil isn't exactly an excuse for us humans to do harm, but rather a realization that what we take to be good or evil depends on the scale of things we're pondering existence by. A horrid scream alone is generally considered a bad sound, but it can be reused and placed in a song or in a soundtrack with a good purpose in such a way that it becomes enjoyable and appreciated. But that doesn't mean all sounds should be screams.
@@IMontez strange example, but ok... so let's say someone is horridly screaming because they're being murdered, is the fact that their scream will be used in a song justification for them being murdered? Also, who's recording this scream thinking "this is going to be sick when the beat drops"...
@@generichuman_ I've made use of images to illustrate the point. It's pretty obvious that I didn't mean a murder is good because someone will sing about it. Please.
Question for theists. There is one religious person who says that murder is wrong because god told him and another religious person comes and says that murder is good because god told him. In your presupposition's world, who is right? Is it ok for one human to own another? Will you kill your own child if your god asks? Why do you worship an immoral god?
@@Thomas-Cahill why did your god commit many genocides? Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides? Will you kill your own child when your asks? Why do you worship this moral monster?
so, the only way to test if souls are suitable for heaven is for an immaterial being to create material beings so they can become immaterial beings which the chief immaterial being then burns as punishment for failing the test. all this requires subatomic robots of course. this is not idiotic in anyway. and burning immaterial stuff is punishment. all makes total sense.
I'm assuming this comment is an attempt to describe different Christian beliefs, so I thought I'd offer the following clarifications: 1. First, Christians do not believe that we are "material beings' created to become "immaterial beings." Rather, we are body-soul composites who are not complete without both our material and immaterial parts. That's why we receive our bodies back after the Second Coming of Christ. 2. Second, God does not "burn" anyone as "punishment" for "failing [a] test." Rather, He created us so that we find our ultimate happiness in Him - He is our ultimate end. And since He is not a dictator, He gave us the freedom to freely reject Him. That means that He gave us the freedom to reject our ultimate end, our ultimate happiness. If we do that, though, we should expect to be perfectly miserable for all eternity, since nothing can truly fulfill us but that which is our ultimate end. I hope you find that when you look into actual Christian ideas, they're a lot more thought-out then the strawmen often heard on the street and in TH-cam videos. The Church has had 2,000 years to think these things through, the Catholic intellectual tradition is a fortress which is not likely to fold under a cheap assault.
Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Hey he told the truth Lynn Shumway.
Reverse the question; how can there be evil in the world if God does not exist? For evil to exist, morality must exist . For morality to exist there must be a source outside of human opinion that dictates the objective morals, so to say a moral law giver. For a moral law giver to exist, there must be an existence of pure objective goodness. We know that laws don't come from a "what" but from a "whom". So, the question is; Who is it that is objectively pure goodness that gives us the laws concerning morality to which we can measure if our behavior is good or evil? If this person does not exist, then evil does not exist and the whole question of how evil can exist if there is a God is a self-refuting one. The existence of evil is evidence that there IS a God and that He is morally perfect. It is to His moral perfection that we measure ourselves and others. Everything outside of this objective morality is only an opinion and has no grounds to carry itself on. In the words of Matthew McConaughey: It’s fake, it’s a “Fugayzi, fugazi. It's a whazy. It's a woozie. It's fairy dust. It doesn't exist. It's never landed. It is no matter. It's not on the elemental chart. It's not real.”
yeah sure evil's a social construct, atheists only talk about it because theists claim both it and god exists. but that doesn't mean that it's possible for morality to come from the dictate of a separate moral entity.
There are several problems with this argument. I think the most powerful one is this. Any reason that you give that states that god had to allow evil puts a limitation on god. Therefor God is not all powerful.
It's funny how you never quite seem to grasp the argument you're responding to. If God can't summon greater good without giving bone cancer to children, he's not all-powerful by definition. This is not a matter of perspective.
@@hakanaras5458 God can't do things that are logically contradictory. That's not a limit on his omnipotence, that's just common sense. I'm arguing that there are certain goods that can only exist if evil exists, and that that to speak of those goods existing without the associated evils creates a logical contradiction.
@@Thomas-Cahill We have no reason to believe that though. You're just appealing to ignorance. What if scientists said "Why is there gravity? Well, maybe things are interacting through another dimension and it's impossible to see from our perspective." That's not an explanation at all, it's just handwaving. It makes it seem like you're not interested in getting to the bottom of the issue. You just want to find some loophole so you can hold on to your faith.
The problem of evil is only an issue for Theist, because we are the only ones that believe evil exist objectively. Once you submit to Christ you are ready to read the revelation of God and thereby begin to understand more clearly.
Gods way of creating a perfect world: (…) To create the universe Wait Billions of years Create a man out of mud and a woman out of that man Tell them not to do something that you know they’re gonna do And then threaten them with death And then, when they do it, not kill them, just make their life difficult Then go through a comedy of errors of having people fail to love you or listen to you or obey you over and over Flood the world - start over again Confuse their languages in order to try to start over again, Encourage war Gradually go from walking and talking with them to not interacting in any detectable way And then magically impregnate a young girl so that you can take human form As a sort of god man that’s fully god but fully man - which doesn’t actually make sense So that you can sacrifice yourself to yourself as a blood magic loophole For rules you’re in charge off so you can set aside your own anger because that’s the thing that we’re being saved from - it’s God’s wrath its just that it’s declared to be justice Then expect future generations to believe without sufficient evidence. M. Dillahunty
First, you claim that if we are talking about either a non-omnipotent, non-omniscient and/or omnibenevolent god... we're not talking about God. Why? Why the creator would necessarily have all those attributes? Specially omnibenevolence. Why should the supreme creator be omnibenevolent by definition? Because we want to think so? No. God can be omnipotent and omniscient, and also a cruel being who created us to be his playthings. Maybe he event forgot about our existence and we have been left to rot. After all, he has all the space and time to create and destroy as he wishes. Second, you claim that the proof that God is good is his ability to get good from evil. Is that so? An omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent God would not allow the existence of evil at all; would not allow the privation of good. And not all evil brings out something good; there is simply gratuituous evil that causes pain and suffering and nothing else. If ours is a "fallen world", it means God has allowed the privation of good on it. He has allowed evil. There would be no need to get good from evil if there wasn't evil in the first place. It seems God is breaking our legs and then selling us clutches, so we must be grateful to him. As there is plenty of evil not of human origin (natural disasters, viruses, harmful bacteria, degenerative diseases, congenital defects and mental conditions), our free will is only partially responsible. The other part is God's. In fact, we humans, with our very limited capacities, are able to do good even in this fallen world. God, in his omnipotence, is unable (unwilling) to use it to get his creation rid of pain and suffering. We're better than the God you're worshipping.
EVIL ISNT REAL IN THE SAME WAY GOOD IS… EVIL IS A PRIVATION OF THE GOOD (JUST LIKE THE CHIP ON THE PLATE) IT CANT EXIST UNLESS THERE IS SOME GOOD TO PARASITE OFF OF AND ITS FUNDAMENTALLY JUST AN ABSENCE OF SOME GOOD THAT SHOULD BE THERE. -Thomas Cahill
Did God create evil? Isaiah 45:7 is a lie. 7. There is God and there is a creation. The creation is the visible part of God we call light. Before God created the light He was darkness, through His creation He emerged from the darkness. The darkness back then was not evil because good did not exist, nothing existed other than God's thought by His Spirit. His desire was and is still today to become brighter still in all His Glory. Well you may ask is God not already omnipotent, yes He is but that does not stop Him in becoming greater still. There is no other God to compete with Him so there is no competition to become greater. He is becoming greater out of love for Himself who is His creation. Growth in the light stops decay, which is backsliding. The moment He created the first kindle image of Himself-the light-He at the same time became good. There was then the possibility of evil to exist which is backsliding back into the darkness. The moment God created the light which is good the possibility was there for the light to be switched off again which is the concept of evil. There is a tremendous gap between the darkness and the light and we who are the light have this constant tendency to want to know the darkness because we only know the light. God on the other hand knows both the darkness and the light. God never goes back into the darkness but we who are the light have the free will to choose if we want to be God's loyal subjects and continue in God's light or become evil and return to the darkness. Evil just means returning to the darkness. We can never return to the full extent of darkness because it will become too unbearable for us, which is hell. That does not stop us from trying but God knows we can never succeed, He allows the will of the light to experience evil so that the light can understand it can never succeed and therefore will continue in the light. The reason why we have free will is because we don't know God, we can only have faith in God, which means believing in God without fully knowing Him. How can we fully know God when we don't know the darkness nor do we know the full extent of God's brightness. Whatever brightness we may know God knows more. So because we don't know God we cannot blame God for the predestination caused by His omniscience. Faith in God does not prove God exists, it is just a belief without knowing the existence of God. This gives us “who are the light” the concept that we have a free will to choose between good or evil, continue in the infinite greatness of the light or return to the infinite depth of darkness. So just because we may believe in God does not give us the reason to blame Him for the choices we make, if or when we choose to pursue the darkness. We are God's creation “the Light” therefore we are the best part of God which excludes the darkness and for that reason also we have free will just like God has free will being a part of Him. It's a simple concept really, we are part of God's body let us not become cancerous, every cell has a free will to grow well for the benefit of the whole body or rebel and become cancerous to bring the body down where both cancer and body will burn in hell-the cancer will burn-be surgically removed-not God's body because God's body has immunity, it immerged from darkness. God has made thoughtful surgical provision for this by the way of hell. If we choose the darkness we create our own hell, God never created hell we create it if we choose to pursue it by backsliding. The prohibition to take the apple in the garden of Eden represented the darkness and we should never backslide to try to be like God. Only God has this knowledge of being the darkness. God was never evil even when He was alone in the darkness because the light did not exist then. He was just a thought in the darkness and He emerged from it, so God was never evil. Only we who are the light and who try to go back to darkness become evil because we lose faith in God and stop being God's loyal subjects by pursuing the darkness. We must let God give us the prohibited fruit not take it ourselves because we don't know how to digest it. Only God can present it to us in a fruitful way for the benefit of the greater light. This is why Abel was killed by his brother Cain. Abel did everything good for the light and Cain chose to pursue the darkness to the point that he killed his brother so that the light could be extinguished. However the light can never be extinguished, it can only be removed from where the pursuit of darkness is. Darkness is the absence of light, at any point those who have chosen to pursue the darkness can repent and turn towards the light again. The light may seem far just like when we look up in the night sky and see the stars far away. The light who is God's loyal subject can never be destroyed because they are who God wants them to be and have remained faithful to Him. So God has no part in evil those who where the light have chosen to become dark or evil not God. God made the light but the light can choose to be extinguished as far as they can bear. It will become very unbearable for them because light is life and darkness is an endless death in hell. We can be born again-meaning-we as the light can experience death by sinking into darkness but can be reborn by accepting God's light again. God the Father through His Spirit emerged from His darkness and became His Son who is the Light of the Universe, we all are THIS LIGHT if we choose to follow Him. So did God create evil? We who are the light and choose to backslide create evil and we who are part of God the Father are responsible for the evil we create. God the Father and His Spirit are not responsible for our backsliding simply because our faith in God cannot prove God exists. This is how God can allow us to believe in free will so that we can share in His creation, God remains anonymous by His Omniscience. God's desire is for the light to become like Him so that we can become fully aware that we are Him. God became man so that man may become God. Only a God can know God, which is what God wants. Then we will know for sure it was our will all along.
Another way of thinking about this is. An atheist thinks he / she has free will because they don't think God exists. An agnostic can't tell you if God exists or not because they are more honest than an atheist who thinks God definitely does not exist. So the agnostic also must believe they have free will because they know they themselves exist. An honest believer in God can only believe in God by faith, which basically means to believe in God without knowing God. No one can know God other than God. If we are to believe in God we can only do so by faith. Only someone omniscient can know an omniscient God. Faith on its own does not prove God exists. So how can a believer who is not omniscient blame God for evil in the world when humans are the ones who do evil. Only if we know God exists then we can say everything is predestined by God. So because we are ignorant of God we have no other options but to believe we have free will. So we create evil not God as I explained in my above comment. The darkness I spoke above just basically means things we don't know about so we can't blame God for being responsible for the evil we do. To have faith in God means to build our way of thinking about God that God has a plan for us which is Good and there is no evil in it because we are the creators of evil if we chose to backslide.
@@giuseppevittoriovitali As there is plenty of evil not of human origin (natural disasters, viruses, harmful bacteria, degenerative diseases, congenital defects and mental conditions), our free will is only partially responsible. The other part is God's. And since God "has a plan", our free will is only an illusion... so we're not responsible at all for evil.
@@noaharmstrong861 Neither is evil as a devil, satan or demon existing, this are all psychological constructions in our brains, nor is evil existing as an objective reality. Its rather a state of mind yes. We think something is evil under this parameters and the same thing might be good under other parameters. I would rather replace the lazy words good and bad with words like e.g. helpful, and harmfiul etc.
Psychiatrist Dr. Richard Gallagher would disagree. After evaluating and attending numerous exorcisms, he has concluded that demons are real and not explainable through psychological disorders, including a prominent case where a possessed woman had the ability to see what a priest was wearing despite being miles away. Most people suffering from demonic possession nowadays are subjected to physical and psychological evaluations, to rule out any medical & psychological conditions, before a priest can looks for the 4 classic signs: ability to speak every language, access to hidden knowledge, aversion to holy objects (which can be tested very easily by, for example, checking response to both normal water and holy water in unlabeled glasses, etc.), and superhuman strength. Occasionally levitation, slithering, and spider crawling up walls is reported. Evil is very real, as is Good. You can choose to believe or not, I will not debate you, but you have been forewarned. Christ saves. Good luck.
LMAO. Wow, that full ignorance. I have a better explanation. Isaiah 45:7-I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. If your god exists then it created you evil to make itself look cool.
In a fallen world you should expect bad things to happen. However, God provides to those who seek Him and repent. I went to jail on a false charge. But in jail I found God. After I did, I was let out and found a good life waiting outside.
Hallelujah, God is good! What great news, thanks for sharing, my brother🙏
@@CrownOfThornss Why did your god commit many genocides?
Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides?
Will you kill your own child when your god asks?
Why do you worship this moral monster?
i'm still not clear, is the fall a punishment from god, or is it a corruption of nature caused by sin?
cos we're fixing all the ills of the fall, diseases are the best example, but fractures, eyesight, dentistry, hearing - all major surgery, how come we can fix stuff that god inflicted? and if it was a corruption of nature, why didn't god put a stop to it? he doesn't really love us?
and never forget, jesus healed a leper - humans cured leprosy. god is crap.
If an all-good, all-knowing, all-powerful entity can create beings who, of their own free will, choose good some of the time, then he can create beings that, of their own free will, choose good all of the time.
I would like a video on the problem of divine hiddenness please. Ive really been struggling to believe in God lately and it brings me much suffering
I'll definitely be covering divine hiddenness in the future.
I've got a solution to divine hiddenness but you're not going to like it...
Imagine you are a very wealthy powerful prince. There is a young woman that has never seen you that you would like to make your bride but she is very poor and is considered to be in the lowest cast system in your culture. How would you approach her?
Looking for a God that created the universe inside that universe is like looking for Karl Benz under the hood of your car.
@@byrondickens Right. But I see no evidence Christianity is true in my daily life. No evidence of anything supernatural, no evidence my prayer works, nothing.
It seems as though the only things I can know about God are what other people tell me.
The problem with the greater good argument is, all evil just collapses into a good, since it's a necessary progression to it.
God Bless you Thomas. Keep up the good work! We need more of your videos!
Which god.
There have been over 4000 religions and god claims and none, zero, zilch, nada got even close to being true. Once you understand why you reject every other god's claim then you we will understand why we reject them all.
meh. another below average god channel spewing out the same old worn out arguments you lot can let go of. the best part is this is a great way to make atheists, this guy is an embarrassment.
I fully understand the necessity of evil. What I don't understand is sending souls to eternal hell, for a literal moment of stupidity (this life), to suffer far beyond any pain they could ever even hope to inflict here. I'm praying constantly for an answer why this is just. Why create souls in the first place, if 97% will end this way?
I was not a planned child. In fact, my parents wanted to abort me (just didn't have the money for the procedure). That was the best thing that could've happened to my soul.
Become a Catholic.
Then repent your Sin to a latter day disciple of Christ, i. e. a priest.
True repentance is saying sorry in a fully remorseful way and never doing it again.
Then you don't have to go to hell🙏💓
Watch InspiringPhilosophy's video on Hell. We tend to misunderstand sin as only encompassing acts, but the fact of the matter is humans have a tendency towards sin, or what Catholics call concupiscence. The Reformed tradition characterizes our tendency towards sin as being so potent that humans are incapable of genuinely seeking out, willing, and performing the will of God on their own. But the more likely reason we have concupiscence is that we are naturally worldly and seek our own self-interest. In other words, we have concupiscence because a part of us still wants and retains it, and this is contrary to seeking out the will of God. The grace of God is required for our salvation and ability to seek, will, and perform the will of God and be united with Christ.
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Hello Arthur. What are your hobbies? Do you like Drama, Music? I ask because I'm looking for voices for a song of mine. I have the music but need the voices, and there's a special part for one similar to your story.
Please do the research on LDS. It's a Masonic scam, just like Jehova's witnesses.
Great video ! You adressed quite brillantly the logical problem of evil, please make a video of adressing the evidential problem of evil, i also think that you should go deeper in topics in the future and opt for longer video , thanks again for your work
Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind in the future.
Subbed. Great explanation.
lol. not really.
so, the only way to test if souls are suitable for heaven is for an immaterial being to create material beings so they can become
immaterial beings which the chief immaterial being then burns as punishment for failing the test. all this requires subatomic robots
of course. this is not idiotic in anyway. and burning immaterial stuff is punishment. all makes total sense.
But an all good all-powerful and all-knowing God can create a world with zero evil and still be able to complete his plan and not abandon Free Will. He has the ability to do this. If his doesn't then he's not all-powerful or he wants evil to exist.
Gods omnipotence always seems to stop where the atheists argument begins.
Great video
How can the best possible world have child rape in it? What good does it serve? Ridiculous.
Great video! You deserve to get on pints with aquinas asap!
What about the suffering of animals ?- animals that existed long before humans ever walked the Earth ?!
For Aquinas, it seems like there would be room for fallen principalities derilecting their natural state, to be the source of much natural evil, i.e. storms, earthquakes, diseases, etc, Did he speak on this anywhere?
If god requires the existence of evil as a necessary step towards the greater good, then god is not all powerful. An all powerful god would have no such limits.
If evil exists, then there must be someone who defined what is evil, God. If there is no God, then evil or good is just an opinion, an opinion that varies from person to person. Many atheists say there is no objective truth (which ironically is basically an objective truth); one persons’s “good” is another persons “evil”. So, how can anyone say anything is evil, or good? It’s all meaningless--without God.
2:23 quite controversial (depending on how each of god's attributes are defined, of course).
3:00 how do you know? sometimes i stub my toe on purpose.
3:18 what about hick, irenaeus (however his name is spelt), plantinga, etc.?
3:53 i guess aquinas' response is a sort of generalised version of hick, irenaeus, and plantinga, but it seems aquinas hasn't really answered the objection unlike the men i have previously mentioned (although you may disagree).
5:03 i understand that you are responding to the logical version, but when the title is called '... to the problem of evil', it would be like me saying 'the cosmological argument fails because per se causation is flawed' - this is an extreme example but maybe my point is that barely any philosophers (that i know of) defend the logical problem, although i know new atheists may do.
so maybe a more apt analogy is me saying 'the cosmological argument fails because if everything had a cause, then what caused god?' - again this is exaggerated, but little people (and i hope no-one) would defend the non-existent 'the cosmological argument', as very few should defend the logical problem of evil. and it would be unfair for me to make it seem as if i have destroyed all cosmological arguments by saying 'what caused god'.
6:43 i may've said this before, but would this not entail that a possible world barren of everything is as 'evil' as a possible world wherein billions of people continuously and infinitely break spaghetti in half? this just seems wrong to me
7:09 dunno about that one
u really ought to have more subscribers, your channel is amazing, please do keep up this work and challenge people's brains
1. Perhaps, but I'm talking about classical theism here. I can't help it if other things have been called "God" that really shouldn't be.
2. The purpose of your toe is independent of your purposes for it - the toe, intrinsically, is not the sort of thing that's supposed to be injured.
3. Well, I'm simplifying a bit.
4. Right, I would say that Aquinas really gives the core answer to the problem of evil.
5. That's a fair point, and I guess I should have clarified that Aquinas' response to the problem of evil is a response to the logical problem of evil, not any version of the evidential problem of evil. I'll definitely be addressing the evidential problem of evil in future videos.
6. Well, I think the world where people break spaghetti in half would be less evil, since in that world at least some things exist (people, spaghetti, hands, etc.), and things existing is good.
Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate you consistently following my content these last few weeks.
@@Thomas-Cahill 1. i'd say it also comes down to the definition of all powerful, all knowing, etc. as seemingly some being cannot know all true propositions as we run into russellian paradoxes for example. maybe this is pedantic on my part by if we look at yujin nagasawa's maximal being--with the greatest compossible collection of great-making features--this being probably wouldn't have maximal knowledge, or maximal power (for example), he would only have the maximal power you can have given maximal knowledge is also possessed. I doubt that yujin is a classical theist (i'm not too sure many are these days especially with the oxford school regarding god's temporality)
2.(just to clarify, this was a joke but i think some interesting points can be made). im not sure why it is intrinsically not meant to be injured. further, are pain receptors in my toe not meant to fire when something potentially harmful occurs to my toe? this previous point fails but i think it is interesting. How are we to know the real purposes of biological 'items' or 'objects' beyond our own purposes for them?
3. fair
4. fair
5. i cant wait, im very intruiged by that problem and i cant say ive looked into theist responses at all so good luck
6. what about a world in which babies are constantly tortured--would the goodness that comes from babies existing override the badness of them being tortured? why is things existing good? would a possible world wherein one million marshmallows exist be more good than one where one [human] foetus exists?
MY WAYS ARE NOT YOUR WAYS SAYS THE LORD, OUR GOD
1- The One and Only God of Israel, of all Truth and Love , who from out of the super abundance of His love iand goodness created mankind of flesh and bones and not just spiritual beings like the angels ,nor automatons to fellowship with , fully knowing that love and true friendship can not be forced or bought if it is to be the real thing. .
2- But the only thing even an omnipotent God like Ours can't do is to create another being ALMIGHTY, OMNIPRESENT AND OMNISCIENT AS HE IS, since God isn't a created being. Jesus, God incarnate isn't created but begotten of God the Father like the Credo affirms.
3- Also it isn't God who is about doing evil but men the ones SEEn in the news daily for their own selfish motives and reasons.
4- And death entered the fallen world by Adam and Eve choosing to do things THEIR way ( rolling the die a la SINatra in ''From here to Eternity'' to lose in the end ) after being warned by God to only see thei rown son Cain murder his own brother Abel, as that sounds.
5- But still out of the over abundance of love fin His heart for US , for ALL of humanity , after a life of loving ALL and doing good till his rXcruciating death , talking the talk but walkingt the walk, and an extra mile as well. with arms wide open offering humanity an eternal embrace of love from God The Father and a second chance in an even better garden ''EDEN 2.0 HEAVEN'' for those willing to take His narrow path to salvation.
6- None the paradox as Epicurus thought after all and No eXcuses LEFT. to insist in doing evil or complaining to God hanging from a cross as the lot He chose for His own life, while being heaven minded though..
7-And that's the rest of the story (The Greatest story ever told, mind you) . Good night!...Shema!!!
doesnt the church theaches that good doesnt need evil to exist? if so how can the highest good only made possible by the existence of evil?
Aquina's response rests on the premisse that all existing evils are useful for the creation of the maximum good. In fact, I'd argue that it entails that evil really doesn't exist because all are instrumental in the achievent of a maximally good state. And so, the only evil act would be to disrupt the natural order that includes evils so that it would stop the maximum good from happening. But then this would be impossible as well, because we, as created beings would have no power to actually stop god's plans. So it follows that we are capable of no evil, all actions and events will necessarily lead to the final maximally good state.
If we take the view that evil is the absence of good, we arrive at a contradiction. If all absence of good is conducive to a greater abundance of good, then in the absence of good there is good, so no absence of good can exist. And if evil is some sort of parasitic phenomenon to good, it's also a contradiction, because if a phenomenon becomes more conducive to good when evil is added than without, than the actual evil thing would be the purely good version of the phenomenon, which then would make what we call evil, not evil, and what we call good, not good and so all these concepts would just be all confused with each other.
I've just realized something. I've responded to your videos a number of times already with counterarguments. I'm doing this because I think it's fun to argue on these topics, but since it seems that you're atill a small creator, just starting your channel, it may be very hurtfull to see these disagreeing comments. I don't know if you read them, but if you felt offended by them, I wich to say that I mean no disrespect and these are iin no way menat to be personal attacks. Your videos are in fact quite nice, and it's fun to watch them. Whenever I comment these counterarguments, it's just a fun intelectual exercise for me, as these videos must be for you.
Best of luck ;)
Your counterarguments are good, but they lack spiritual insight. You are right when you state that we have no power to stop God's plans, but that doesn't mean we cannot CHOOSE to do good in our time, over evil. "All actions...will necessarily lead to the finally maximal good state" - yes, that is God's work, but at what cost? Allow me to save you some time here, the cost is Christ, my friend. Turn to Him!
@@NickyTmathew well the arguments i'm responding to are logical arguments, the point of making such arguments is yo rely solelynon logical reasoning. My response is of the same kind. If this was an different kind of diacussion maybe i could have some spiritual insight.
Although i wonder what that means to you exactly, because you seemed to just agree with what i said, but rejected the conclusion for some reason. I also wonder what it means for the cost to be christ. Honestly seems like a play of words
@@doctorinternet8695 I think he doesn't mind it actually. In fact he might enjoy it because these debates create engagement.
@@Testimony_Of_JTF i hope so. It's just that it's good to remember that there's a human being on the other side
Hey love the vid. Idk if I agree with the evil is a privation of good idea. For instance pain isn’t exactly the absence of pleasure. Like if I get punched i would feel bad even if i had never felt joy.
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! I think I would say that since pain is our body's way of telling us about a physical deficiency or injury in itself, it is necessarily tied to the absence of a good - namely, the good of health. How does that strike you?
The idea that evil is simply a privation of good seems to render the "evil is necessary" argument moot. Cold is the absence of heat. If I am a perfect being capable of maximizing heat, it would be very curious if I needed cold to accomplish this... If I am a perfect being, it would also be curious if I needed to make plates with chips in them to reach the perfect plate. In this case I might be able to imagine a scenario of learning to make plates, and making imperfect plates on the way to attaining a perfect one, but this is God we're talking about... and a being that can make a plate in a single shot is more perfect than one that messes things up before he gets it right.
The other problem with this resolution to evil, is that is claims that we can know nothing at all about the moral fabric of the world we live in. If we can be mistaken about evil, and fail to see the good behind it, our ability to act as moral agents in the world completely falls apart. A serial killer could kill as many people as possible and we could do nothing but say "wow, imagine all the hidden good this is doing, I can't personally see it, but that's just because I'm a human and I don't know any better". This treatment of evil is unfalsifiable. There's no amount of evil in the world you couldn't explain away with the promise of some future good that's just around the corner.
God drawing good out of evil isn't exactly an excuse for us humans to do harm, but rather a realization that what we take to be good or evil depends on the scale of things we're pondering existence by. A horrid scream alone is generally considered a bad sound, but it can be reused and placed in a song or in a soundtrack with a good purpose in such a way that it becomes enjoyable and appreciated.
But that doesn't mean all sounds should be screams.
@@IMontez strange example, but ok... so let's say someone is horridly screaming because they're being murdered, is the fact that their scream will be used in a song justification for them being murdered? Also, who's recording this scream thinking "this is going to be sick when the beat drops"...
@@generichuman_ I've made use of images to illustrate the point. It's pretty obvious that I didn't mean a murder is good because someone will sing about it. Please.
Question for theists.
There is one religious person who says that murder is wrong because god told him and another religious person comes and says that murder is good because god told him. In your presupposition's world, who is right?
Is it ok for one human to own another? Will you kill your own child if your god asks? Why do you worship an immoral god?
Something isn't good because God says it's good. Goodness is objective.
@@Thomas-Cahill you did not answer the question. Why?
@@Thomas-Cahill why did your god commit many genocides?
Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides?
Will you kill your own child when your asks?
Why do you worship this moral monster?
@@Thomas-Cahill Ok, so is it "good" to kill defenseless children or not?
Don’t forget to water your plant, brother (Or stop over-watering if that’s the case) 💦🪴
I'll blame it on the lighting.
❤
so, the only way to test if souls are suitable for heaven is for an immaterial being to create material beings so they can become
immaterial beings which the chief immaterial being then burns as punishment for failing the test. all this requires subatomic robots
of course. this is not idiotic in anyway. and burning immaterial stuff is punishment. all makes total sense.
I'm assuming this comment is an attempt to describe different Christian beliefs, so I thought I'd offer the following clarifications:
1. First, Christians do not believe that we are "material beings' created to become "immaterial beings." Rather, we are body-soul composites who are not complete without both our material and immaterial parts. That's why we receive our bodies back after the Second Coming of Christ.
2. Second, God does not "burn" anyone as "punishment" for "failing [a] test." Rather, He created us so that we find our ultimate happiness in Him - He is our ultimate end. And since He is not a dictator, He gave us the freedom to freely reject Him. That means that He gave us the freedom to reject our ultimate end, our ultimate happiness. If we do that, though, we should expect to be perfectly miserable for all eternity, since nothing can truly fulfill us but that which is our ultimate end.
I hope you find that when you look into actual Christian ideas, they're a lot more thought-out then the strawmen often heard on the street and in TH-cam videos. The Church has had 2,000 years to think these things through, the Catholic intellectual tradition is a fortress which is not likely to fold under a cheap assault.
Ephesians 4:25
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Hey he told the truth Lynn Shumway.
Reverse the question; how can there be evil in the world if God does not exist? For evil to exist, morality must exist . For morality to exist there must be a source outside of human opinion that dictates the objective morals, so to say a moral law giver. For a moral law giver to exist, there must be an existence of pure objective goodness. We know that laws don't come from a "what" but from a "whom". So, the question is; Who is it that is objectively pure goodness that gives us the laws concerning morality to which we can measure if our behavior is good or evil? If this person does not exist, then evil does not exist and the whole question of how evil can exist if there is a God is a self-refuting one. The existence of evil is evidence that there IS a God and that He is morally perfect. It is to His moral perfection that we measure ourselves and others. Everything outside of this objective morality is only an opinion and has no grounds to carry itself on. In the words of Matthew McConaughey: It’s fake, it’s a “Fugayzi, fugazi. It's a whazy. It's a woozie. It's fairy dust. It doesn't exist. It's never landed. It is no matter. It's not on the elemental chart. It's not real.”
yeah sure evil's a social construct, atheists only talk about it because theists claim both it and god exists.
but that doesn't mean that it's possible for morality to come from the dictate of a separate moral entity.
There are several problems with this argument. I think the most powerful one is this. Any reason that you give that states that god had to allow evil puts a limitation on god. Therefor God is not all powerful.
God doesn't "have" to do anything. He freely choses to allow evil out of love, so that greater goods may come.
@@Thomas-Cahill If your correct then there is no all powerful, all knowing, and all loving god. That's the problem of evil.
It's funny how you never quite seem to grasp the argument you're responding to. If God can't summon greater good without giving bone cancer to children, he's not all-powerful by definition. This is not a matter of perspective.
@@hakanaras5458 God can't do things that are logically contradictory. That's not a limit on his omnipotence, that's just common sense. I'm arguing that there are certain goods that can only exist if evil exists, and that that to speak of those goods existing without the associated evils creates a logical contradiction.
@@Thomas-Cahill We have no reason to believe that though. You're just appealing to ignorance. What if scientists said "Why is there gravity? Well, maybe things are interacting through another dimension and it's impossible to see from our perspective." That's not an explanation at all, it's just handwaving. It makes it seem like you're not interested in getting to the bottom of the issue. You just want to find some loophole so you can hold on to your faith.
The problem of evil is only an issue for Theist, because we are the only ones that believe evil exist objectively. Once you submit to Christ you are ready to read the revelation of God and thereby begin to understand more clearly.
Isaiah45v7
Gods way of creating a perfect world:
(…)
To create the universe
Wait Billions of years
Create a man out of mud and a woman out of that man
Tell them not to do something that you know they’re gonna do
And then threaten them with death
And then, when they do it, not kill them, just make their life difficult
Then go through a comedy of errors of having people fail to love you or
listen to you or obey you over and over
Flood the world - start over again
Confuse their languages in order to try to start over again,
Encourage war
Gradually go from walking and talking with them to not interacting in any detectable way
And then magically impregnate a young girl so that you can take human form
As a sort of god man that’s fully god but fully man - which doesn’t actually make sense
So that you can sacrifice yourself to yourself as a blood magic loophole
For rules you’re in charge off so you can set aside your own anger because
that’s the thing that we’re being saved from - it’s God’s wrath its just that it’s declared to be justice
Then expect future generations to believe without sufficient evidence.
M. Dillahunty
First, you claim that if we are talking about either a non-omnipotent, non-omniscient and/or omnibenevolent god... we're not talking about God.
Why?
Why the creator would necessarily have all those attributes? Specially omnibenevolence. Why should the supreme creator be omnibenevolent by definition? Because we want to think so? No. God can be omnipotent and omniscient, and also a cruel being who created us to be his playthings. Maybe he event forgot about our existence and we have been left to rot. After all, he has all the space and time to create and destroy as he wishes.
Second, you claim that the proof that God is good is his ability to get good from evil. Is that so? An omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent God would not allow the existence of evil at all; would not allow the privation of good. And not all evil brings out something good; there is simply gratuituous evil that causes pain and suffering and nothing else.
If ours is a "fallen world", it means God has allowed the privation of good on it. He has allowed evil. There would be no need to get good from evil if there wasn't evil in the first place. It seems God is breaking our legs and then selling us clutches, so we must be grateful to him. As there is plenty of evil not of human origin (natural disasters, viruses, harmful bacteria, degenerative diseases, congenital defects and mental conditions), our free will is only partially responsible. The other part is God's.
In fact, we humans, with our very limited capacities, are able to do good even in this fallen world. God, in his omnipotence, is unable (unwilling) to use it to get his creation rid of pain and suffering. We're better than the God you're worshipping.
EVIL ISNT REAL IN THE SAME WAY GOOD IS… EVIL IS A PRIVATION OF THE GOOD (JUST LIKE THE CHIP ON THE PLATE) IT CANT EXIST UNLESS THERE IS SOME GOOD TO PARASITE OFF OF AND ITS FUNDAMENTALLY JUST AN ABSENCE OF SOME GOOD THAT SHOULD BE THERE.
-Thomas Cahill
God has a Divine Plan and evil is part of it.
Did God create evil? Isaiah 45:7 is a lie.
7. There is God and there is a creation. The creation is the visible part of God we call light. Before God created the light He was darkness, through His creation He emerged from the darkness. The darkness back then was not evil because good did not exist, nothing existed other than God's thought by His Spirit. His desire was and is still today to become brighter still in all His Glory. Well you may ask is God not already omnipotent, yes He is but that does not stop Him in becoming greater still. There is no other God to compete with Him so there is no competition to become greater. He is becoming greater out of love for Himself who is His creation. Growth in the light stops decay, which is backsliding.
The moment He created the first kindle image of Himself-the light-He at the same time became good. There was then the possibility of evil to exist which is backsliding back into the darkness. The moment God created the light which is good the possibility was there for the light to be switched off again which is the concept of evil. There is a tremendous gap between the darkness and the light and we who are the light have this constant tendency to want to know the darkness because we only know the light. God on the other hand knows both the darkness and the light. God never goes back into the darkness but we who are the light have the free will to choose if we want to be God's loyal subjects and continue in God's light or become evil and return to the darkness. Evil just means returning to the darkness.
We can never return to the full extent of darkness because it will become too unbearable for us, which is hell. That does not stop us from trying but God knows we can never succeed, He allows the will of the light to experience evil so that the light can understand it can never succeed and therefore will continue in the light.
The reason why we have free will is because we don't know God, we can only have faith in God, which means believing in God without fully knowing Him. How can we fully know God when we don't know the darkness nor do we know the full extent of God's brightness. Whatever brightness we may know God knows more. So because we don't know God we cannot blame God for the predestination caused by His omniscience. Faith in God does not prove God exists, it is just a belief without knowing the existence of God. This gives us “who are the light” the concept that we have a free will to choose between good or evil, continue in the infinite greatness of the light or return to the infinite depth of darkness.
So just because we may believe in God does not give us the reason to blame Him for the choices we make, if or when we choose to pursue the darkness. We are God's creation “the Light” therefore we are the best part of God which excludes the darkness and for that reason also we have free will just like God has free will being a part of Him. It's a simple concept really, we are part of God's body let us not become cancerous, every cell has a free will to grow well for the benefit of the whole body or rebel and become cancerous to bring the body down where both cancer and body will burn in hell-the cancer will burn-be surgically removed-not God's body because God's body has immunity, it immerged from darkness. God has made thoughtful surgical provision for this by the way of hell. If we choose the darkness we create our own hell, God never created hell we create it if we choose to pursue it by backsliding.
The prohibition to take the apple in the garden of Eden represented the darkness and we should never backslide to try to be like God. Only God has this knowledge of being the darkness. God was never evil even when He was alone in the darkness because the light did not exist then. He was just a thought in the darkness and He emerged from it, so God was never evil. Only we who are the light and who try to go back to darkness become evil because we lose faith in God and stop being God's loyal subjects by pursuing the darkness.
We must let God give us the prohibited fruit not take it ourselves because we don't know how to digest it. Only God can present it to us in a fruitful way for the benefit of the greater light.
This is why Abel was killed by his brother Cain. Abel did everything good for the light and Cain chose to pursue the darkness to the point that he killed his brother so that the light could be extinguished.
However the light can never be extinguished, it can only be removed from where the pursuit of darkness is. Darkness is the absence of light, at any point those who have chosen to pursue the darkness can repent and turn towards the light again. The light may seem far just like when we look up in the night sky and see the stars far away.
The light who is God's loyal subject can never be destroyed because they are who God wants them to be and have remained faithful to Him. So God has no part in evil those who where the light have chosen to become dark or evil not God. God made the light but the light can choose to be extinguished as far as they can bear. It will become very unbearable for them because light is life and darkness is an endless death in hell. We can be born again-meaning-we as the light can experience death by sinking into darkness but can be reborn by accepting God's light again. God the Father through His Spirit emerged from His darkness and became His Son who is the Light of the Universe, we all are THIS LIGHT if we choose to follow Him.
So did God create evil? We who are the light and choose to backslide create evil and we who are part of God the Father are responsible for the evil we create. God the Father and His Spirit are not responsible for our backsliding simply because our faith in God cannot prove God exists. This is how God can allow us to believe in free will so that we can share in His creation, God remains anonymous by His Omniscience. God's desire is for the light to become like Him so that we can become fully aware that we are Him. God became man so that man may become God. Only a God can know God, which is what God wants. Then we will know for sure it was our will all along.
Another way of thinking about this is.
An atheist thinks he / she has free will because they don't think God exists.
An agnostic can't tell you if God exists or not because they are more honest than an atheist who thinks God definitely does not exist. So the agnostic also must believe they have free will because they know they themselves exist.
An honest believer in God can only believe in God by faith, which basically means to believe in God without knowing God. No one can know God other than God. If we are to believe in God we can only do so by faith. Only someone omniscient can know an omniscient God.
Faith on its own does not prove God exists. So how can a believer who is not omniscient blame God for evil in the world when humans are the ones who do evil. Only if we know God exists then we can say everything is predestined by God. So because we are ignorant of God we have no other options but to believe we have free will. So we create evil not God as I explained in my above comment. The darkness I spoke above just basically means things we don't know about so we can't blame God for being responsible for the evil we do. To have faith in God means to build our way of thinking about God that God has a plan for us which is Good and there is no evil in it because we are the creators of evil if we chose to backslide.
@@giuseppevittoriovitali As there is plenty of evil not of human origin (natural disasters, viruses, harmful bacteria, degenerative diseases, congenital defects and mental conditions), our free will is only partially responsible. The other part is God's. And since God "has a plan", our free will is only an illusion... so we're not responsible at all for evil.
There is no EVIL existing as an entity.
What exactly are you saying here? That evil does not have any physical manifestations, its just an action or a state of mind?
@@noaharmstrong861 Neither is evil as a devil, satan or demon existing, this are all psychological constructions in our brains, nor is evil existing as an objective reality.
Its rather a state of mind yes.
We think something is evil under this parameters and the same thing might be good under other parameters.
I would rather replace the lazy words good and bad with words like e.g. helpful, and harmfiul etc.
Psychiatrist Dr. Richard Gallagher would disagree. After evaluating and attending numerous exorcisms, he has concluded that demons are real and not explainable through psychological disorders, including a prominent case where a possessed woman had the ability to see what a priest was wearing despite being miles away.
Most people suffering from demonic possession nowadays are subjected to physical and psychological evaluations, to rule out any medical & psychological conditions, before a priest can looks for the 4 classic signs: ability to speak every language, access to hidden knowledge, aversion to holy objects (which can be tested very easily by, for example, checking response to both normal water and holy water in unlabeled glasses, etc.), and superhuman strength. Occasionally levitation, slithering, and spider crawling up walls is reported.
Evil is very real, as is Good. You can choose to believe or not, I will not debate you, but you have been forewarned. Christ saves. Good luck.
God isn't evil or good. This is told in the garden story.
LMAO. Wow, that full ignorance. I have a better explanation.
Isaiah 45:7-I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If your god exists then it created you evil to make itself look cool.
Circular nonsense trying to explain the unexplainable. Weak.
Most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.