The quickest way to make blacksmith tongs!
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I love how Martin is always like “what and why do you have the camera pointed at me”. “I just wanna work, leave me alone”
The die you made that ended up with the “sloped sides” is actually how closed cavity dies are designed. The draft angle is what allows the finished part to release from the die. Happy accident, that! I suggest another die to make the preform. It would need a top and bottom die. It would taper the nib and then bend the nib and hinge area. Then turn it 90 degrees to make the final part. When we make forged brass lever handles we have a bending die mounted next to the closed cavity die. One strike to bend, one strike to forge. Excellent build!
This takes me back to my drop hammer days. You need to make a preform die that matchs the width and curvature of your finish Die. You can do both processes in the same heat. Also, as I currently run steel and titanium forgings on a 12,000 ton Erie press, I would suggest using a graphite lubricant. You wipe it on the die prior to forging. Not only will that help the flow of material but it also helps the release of the part from the die.
When he struggled to get the part out I immediately thought "dry lubricant needed".
@@bodyno3158 same. At my current job we dip our titanium in liquid ceramic and let it air dry to a boutique .002 of an inch. It turns to a glass coating in the furnace and protects the material from oxidation. We Forge precision air foils for military and commercial turbine engines. We don't want any oxidation being forged in. The glass costing stays on the parts during forging and aids in the flow of material. Even so we still use graphite lubricant. Different percentages for different flow rates and tonnage we want during forging. It's weird when forging titanium, addition lube on the die actually slows the spread of material. Light or no coating causes it to spread to fast. Where as with steel forgings its the opposite. In my experience
@@fitnessandfirearms7503 That ceramic trick is very genius, I don't know much about machining, that's an eye-opener for me.
@@bodyno3158 I believe we patented the exact process we use. But I'm sure other companies have caught on
The camera shutter synced power hammer was super cool
Excellent video as always ☺️ I've been recommending your channel to tons of my friends whenever they ask about metalworking.
Awesome, thank you!
A book from the 1500s, De Re Metallica by Georg Bauer, was a work about mining, refining and smelting of metals. It had numerous woodcuts that showed scenes with the tools and contraptions of the metal workers, with a description of what you saw. One of those 'tools' was a beer can, as a little joke on the side. Which I find quite charming.
Now I imagine how if Bauer would still live today and move on from describing the way of the metal from mining to smelting to writing about the forge, there would be the burrito tongs on one of his pictures.
Most underrated blacksmith on YT. Keep inspiring brother!!!
too kind! Thank you.
It’s been a while since I watched your videos. I think the last one was when Martin left the company.
I was extremely excited to see him back💪🏼🔥🔥🔥
Making tongs and tools of the trade, literally are the teaching tools of blacksmithing. Refining the designs of jaws, handles and pivot points teaches you design skills and understanding of stress points and pinch points. I usually can make tongs in less than 45 minutes and enjoy the design process. You made a nice video, and the outcome was well done. I liked and subscribed to your channel. Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate the cooking instructions, forge cooked nachos and tong toasted burritos are really good.
Martin seems like a talkative fellow
That super fast powerhamer footage moment when you were making the handles look awesome!
It looks like you could really use a dedicated metal grinding area away from the wood grinding area. I would like to see you make right handed carving hatchets that weight 1lb & 1.5lb. It is difficult to find good carving hatchets that are ground appropriately, not too heavy and not an antique made with too soft of steel.
Awesome! Great process.
Great job man, love the mold. I once had the same hat!
Timothy always good to see a new video. Very nice job. Very helpful and definitely useful video explaining this. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge on. Weld on. Fab on. Keep making. God bless.
Cool idea Tim, I’m going to try that !
I would love to do this, but recently f’ed my back, and by recent, 2 yrs ago. Need to retrain into something I can do.
Very jelly Tim. Love ya work. Will have to think about getting one of your blackhawks
The top of the die needs to be milled true so you have a sharp edge that will help get that flash off
"Keep the forge lit."
I like that. Very catchy.
Love it! How long did they end up taking you to make a pair off camera once you figured out all the processes?
Another great and informative video ❤
When you watch the big manufacturing of tools with presses, it takes several steps to get from the stock to finished tool. Rough shape, basic shape, refined shape, finished shape.
You just can’t beat the skill of a master nachoist at work
I’m thinking that if you were to continue developing forms for production tongs, a three stage mold series would be much better for minimizing input material and more accurate final dimensions. Rather than trying to get the final shape in one step
i;m excited for your new idea :) Thanks for sharin'
Great video buddy!
Those tongs look awesome! Maybe try making a pair with tip inserts that swivel so that they are always flat on the piece you’re holding onto?
One doesn't see many drop forging or die sinking smaller forging operations. Would love to see one of the old Billings drop hammers making tools. Cool use of your equipment to make what you need.
Gotta love Martin!
Martin is a real wordsmith!
My shirt arrived today and I absolutely love it thank you hopefully my axe isn't to far behind 🥳
Those time lapses were neat
The question is, how long will it take to make a new pair of tongs now?
Also, Martin, never change. 🇩🇪
Pretty sure that Martin loves playing the strong silent type. He may deny it but his silly smirk betrays his true feelings.
I had a business making tongs that I ran for five years and made thousands of pairs. I tried all kinds of closed dies, but came to the conclusion that without a large enough falling weight (serious industrial infrastructure) and the dies being of a durable (expensive) construction, there was no time saving over open die methods. The market for tongs just isn't big enough to justify the outlay. It came down to practice. The more you do it, the faster you get.
Change the die direction such that you press in the squeezing direction of the tongs so as to preserve the engineering dimensions off the tongs and not have to grind off draft angles.
love the meal time
Make multiple dies to speed up the production even more: 1 pre-bend die and stamp; 2 main forming (already done); 3 finishing, and that's the most important one, including flashing trimming die and hole punching die.
Big advantage of forging the sinker instead of stock removal, is it's easier to size your preform to minimise flashing while fully filling the die. Make your sinker from 20mm square? That's the stock size you'll need.
You really need at least one probably two pre form dies. If you look at the guys at gransfors bruk, there's seven preform steps to arrive at an axe via their upsetting machines
watched the first minute, bunch of casual you-already-know type of information loading, subscribed. this is how I learn, not through rote repetition sitting in a gigantic prison cell with 30 other people, but in the environment the information is relevant to. fascinating.
Thank u
Very cool! You should sell those.
Cooking with a forge... could be an idea for a tv show.
You selling tongs now? Great work project thanks for sharing!
Cooking with billets with Tim.
You should order some kevlar string and wrap that cast iron handle. Im a lifer for cast iron and the kevlar works great at making the handles not hot.
2:48 it is all in the name of science.
Good lord give Martin some heat and lights to work in! Lol
Have you considered making a "mold" for the preform, like two blocks of metal with the right contours that you could just take a piece of round bar and smack it between, then press it in? Not sure if that's a good idea, practical, or worth it, but I bet it would feel nice to just take a bar, give it the one-two punch, and have a new set of tongs. :P
Think you could do with a dust extraction system for Martin 🥺
Nico job
Nice
I just realized something. I'm like Martin- quiet, shy, unassuming. You my dear Timothy are exactly like my husband. He is gregarious, never met a stranger. We've been married for 20 years now. Together 25. So I guess that kind of partnership- opposites -kind of lasts.
Why did you draw out the handles instead of just welding a piece of rebar on?
you should do that in the upsetter
Drill a hole through the die so you can force it back out while it's still hot. Also you could hot cut the flashing off faster because it's already hot. Just swap out your die
And my questions is how long does it take to make a tong maker for making a tong
I'd love to buy one of your axes however with being off work for over a month do to a car accident it's just not possible but if you bring them back and I have the money I'll try to buy one then.
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Wish I had enough steel to eat through it like that! Lol
Hey there buddy…. Why not make you a hook down head side with three holes through it so you could move the pin to get different widths???? Almost like taking a pair of channel locks apart visually and then re-creating that basic design without that slipping feature???? Unless you could get you something that would work just like those curved set of gears that you normally slip and pick????
Snapping turtle tongs!
Great idea! A little bit more planning in would save you some time tho in genreal. Lol its not all a production race
Any chance you could make some machetes?
Great content Tim. I've been looking for your next video. I've been trying to promote your YT channel and merch.
You're the only creator, that I know of, that makes their own merch.
How much for a wood box for the 1908 Hudson Bay and Black Hawk I bought for my father. I'm sure one will be enough for both to fit in.
Titanium tongs? Is it possible to make?
That tong t-tong tong tong
Where are you located
Ello from Niagara Falls Canada.
How are you in Canada with green grass and leaves on your trees when I'm in Minnesota and the snow just melted? 😪
More Martin please
Something super obvious:
To avoid injury, don't tell me how to do my job!
Nice work, and those candle bases are 👌
Fine! And you? 😁😉
Just heat it back up and hammer that area where you pin it out wider…right quick???? 😉👍❤️❤️❤️❤️. Great stuff!!!!
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Axe design request... a heavy splitter/maul with a tough enough poll to handle pounding steel wedges. I have private access to an amazing abundance of dead standing giants that make premium firewood. However, they're very remote and need to be split down in order to handle. Would gladly pay good money for the right tool.
Do Canadian kids play hot potato? Burrito tongs seems similar
still waiting for the day when Martin makes a video for your channel. xD
so, just so I understand-
You made a prototype tong (a tool) so you could then use it to press into a block to make a form (another tool) so that you could more easily make tongs (yet another tool) which you then use to make axes (also tools)?
When I do something like this, my wife calls it "Tool-ception"
Titanium tongs?
Gosh it’s almost like Martin just doesn’t stop talking…
And then did you hear what he said at the end too?
My Grandfather's name was Edgar Dyck ...!!!!
This is obviously something that needs to be made with titanium 👍😀
Those tongs would make the sexiest fireplace pokers ever. Could they be turned out in production?
I did this for v bit tongs. I use a hammer not power hammer.
also something I've wondered about people named Timothy, why do you always shorten your name to Tim instead of moth?
Here's a nice story about how the blacksmith tongs were invented by a wise woman:
According to traditions, a man and his daughter-in-law should not speak to each other. So this man, a blacksmith, used to work with metals and kept getting burns on his hands because they didn't have tongs back then. They weren't invented yet. His daughter in low watched him work and wanted to help him, but she couldn't since according to traditions, they could not talk with each other, so instead, when he finished for the day and left the workshop, she stapled two snakes on his door forming the shape of a tong, and when the man came to work the next day, he saw the snakes and immediately understood what to do and created the first tongs.
Those candle base’s are just sexy!!!!
Why not cast the blanks?
Foundry work would be an entirely new setup
@@zachwolf5122 I realized that about 3/4 thru the vid, well I thought "with a hammer like that, might as well pound out some nails..."
Yo yo yo
Even though you do it every time, I still don't know how you get your comments in so fast after posting! haha!
@@TimothyDyck the key is dedication.
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I wonder if you found the first few attempts... upsetting.
Are you OR is your brother Pawn Man??
Enjoying your chimmy chonga’s 🥰
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Mas sou fã demais desse cara.
Seems like it would take less time to just slog through making a pair of tongs the normal way 🤷♂
I think you could make a really thinner pair, just by starting with a much thinner pre-bent rod--- and then hold your original form piece over that smaller rod to hammer it down into the block. Also, that way-- you don't have any extra flange squeezing out that needs to be ground off. You might have to make a couple to get your pre-bend the right thickness to start with; but they could be quite a bit thinner that way and more efficient to make, with less grinding time.
Except that with the original form piece you'd be creating a step on both sides of your forging.
@@dicksargent3582 Thats' true. You would have to make a flat form piece; Just to use it to press it down into the bottom of the block, since the mold is deeper than the thinner rod. I guess you could just make a thinner mold-- but then you still have the flanging problem. I like the idea of making a flat form for the top side.
I am going to be the odd man out and say that you have another way to solve your problem. There are small shops that make tongs and they serve the blacksmithing community. Perhaps you could support those artist by buying the tongs you need and support the community. The quick and dirty make all kinds of tongs