I ride a street scrambler 900. and dreamed. about 1200 scrambler but it's too tall for me. thanks Triumph for the 1200 X. now I know what my next bike will be
I don't understand why they kept the 21 inch front wheel after all the changes to make it a more road biased bike. Also, a bit sad they dropped the high spec brakes, seems like a huge downgrade to be honest. The rest is pretty sensible, going down to 170 mm suspension travel is a good choice, as well as the seat height. The 1200 models always struck me a one size too big, but now at least the X model should be right in the sweet spot for most riders.
i am definitely one of the few that prefer the previous XC model but i can see the bigger appeal for this because of the lower seat height. I am not sure how i feel about the clock sharing the same as the trident 660. I would've preferred the retro twin clocks from the T120 because it would've fitted the theme of the bike better. We can only truly appreciate the value of the bike once we've tested those front and rear shocks.
I am a current XE owner and love it but actually really prefer the look of the new X! I think the new display is better looking, like the black forks and is that black swing arm standard on the X? Looking forward to seeing how it rides! Great video Tony
In other words, Triumph is boosting corporate profits on an already overpriced Thai-made motorcycle by downgrading key components, hoping most consumers will be too naive to notice.
I could live with most of the downgrading but not that it has non adjustable Suspension. With the sum of all these cheaper Parts ,the bike should be at least 3000 Dollars cheaper..
Although my Scrambler 900 is lacking engine and breaking power and needs better suspension i always found it more appealing than the fancy 1200 Models. The 900 felt like a more accessible funbike. But the new toned down models look interesting to me. Perhaps an Option for 2024.
I agree on the better looks and the lower seat height is a plus. I will be canceling my T120 I was buying this week and wait a few months to get the 1200 X.
i am glad that i have the XC i dont like the new X modell. Yes it looks nice with the black parts, but for 400 bucks i also have all in black on my XC. But i can understand the move from triumph that they go with a 170mm forks to reach more ppl. I prefer Brembo and Öhlins more so nothing for me now.
The X is a massive improvement… I sold my XC for all of the reasons they’ve now addressed… I would have preferred the speed twin clocks for a fully retro look but it’s definitely better..
I agree 100%. I have the XC currently and while I love it, I prefer a keyed ignition and a round clock. We will see how much cooler it is as well. I’m very interested, despite it being less appointed. I prefer a simpler bike, and I would have loved analog as well.
Anyone think the tank is too small, I maan I've a scrambler 900 bought on 2021 and I really suffer about the lack of autonomy and the shitty back suspension... Am I the only one wiht this "problems"?
Triumph did not make the biggest feature update. The heat coming from that engine is unbearable at least in the US summers. If one lives in Alaska for sure it is a big plus. For the rest of us is awful.
Although they say its a liquid cooled motor I read somewhere longtime ago where triumph actually said that its still partially AirCooled as it doesn't hold a lot of coolant hence why the radiator is so small. Those fins radiate a lot of heat. I have a street twin 900 and in the summer days in heavy traffic conditions the engine heat is unbearable.
I have been consider the XC for next season because my 186 cm hight, but would the X work for me? It looks stunning and I mostly ride tarmac. Like your vids btw.
I like the scrambler range I just hope the suspension and brake down grades don’t effect sales unfortunately bling sells even if there’s no difference in performance, a good price point but definitely makes the second hand bikes with low miles a better deal
A good point, interesting that you described them as a downgrade, rather than replacement. It think maybe that’s indicative of the perceived quality that some brand names hold? I’m not saying they don’t make good parts obviously, but like for the like the performance may be same, or maybe the new ones better? We’ll only know once the bike is ridden
I had a Scrambler 900 for three years and really loved it, taking it to the Isle of Man, NC500 and into Europe but I fancied something with more power so bought an NT1100. I've only had the NT1100 for a couple of months and it's very capable but not very pretty and I'm looking at the 1200 X with lustful eyes. I'm only 168cms tall so the previous 1200 scramblers were too tall for me. I'll probably get a test ride later in the year.
The scrambler 900 has one thing better then the X and XE is the foot position. The 900 foot position is ever so slightly forward then the X and XE. And for this reason i have to get the 900 still. If X or XE had the slightly more forward controls, then the XE or X would be a no brainer. ✌️ PS: Im all about rider position and how the rider looks, if a bike makes you look ridiculous then its a no go. I dont need my scrambler to put my feet slightly back to make your legs look like your on a sports bike. 👍✌️ PSS: So to rate these bikes on how cool you look on them, the #1 900, #2 X , #3 XE. 🙏🏼
I have the 1200XE, a 900SS, and a 400X, our plan is to keep the 900SS and I am not getting a rid of my 1200XE either, with my wife riding the 900 and 400 I would love to offer her a more accessible bike with more power than the 900 and here comes where the X shines…I would say that the 400X is on the chopping block if she ever gets a hold of an X for a test ride… but models disappear from the showroom as fast as they come in… testament to the well developed Scrambler concept
The spec of the XC was too close to the XE IMO. Making the new X more "road focused" is a good move and makes it closer to a 1200 version of the Street Scrambler which is what many riders, myself included, wanted. Let's be honest though, none of them are serious off road bikes, they're just too heavy.
I had a Street Scrambler that I modified to my taste (you’ve seen it, Tony). I really liked it, but I always wished there was a 1200 version. I prefer lower bikes, so I think the new X will be worth a look. That is unless Fantic Motor brings the Caballero to the US.
Lower seat, still decent suspension travel and 21' front wheel is definitely a good formula. Have they managed to make it lighter though? It doesn't sound like it.
Or…and hear me out. They’ve dropped the XC model from the range and brought in a new entry level 1200 scrambler? 🤔😏 depends on how you want to look at it
The lower seat height is a big draw, I look like a child on the current models, my feet dangling uselessly inches above the ground. I like the simplicity of the instruments too, the current model looks a bit fussy, and for a potential off-road machine a total dirt-trap, but what would really win me over from my current 900 Scrambler would be cruise control, and it sounds like that's gone. What the updated 1200, and the new 400 ranges do do, is make the 900 look very dated, with the huge halogen headlamp and analogue (no bad thing) clocks. I wonder if we'll see some of this update carry over to the 900 engined versions, let's hope this increased accessibility isn't a precursor for their deletion. Two small points I wish Triumph would address, the USB is still under the seat, which frankly is a stupid place to put a socket and the ridiculously small paint choice, come on Triumph, I can have a smorgasbord* of colour at Royal Enfield, you're being far too Henry Ford for my liking.
Great video mate. No wonder you didn't want to tell what new triumph was coming out! 😜🤣🤣. They look fantastic! I personally think they will sell massively! Like you said , theres a good gap between the 900 to 1200. This looks like a good sweet spot 👍🏻 if I was still in the market at getting a Scrambler , i would 10000% be going for one 👍🏻. On an added note.... that Baja Orange 🤤🤤🤤
I wonder if Triumph will use the same business model of fitting components from the current cheapest bike they make (Trident 660) to the face lifted Rocket 3 ?
@@mancavemoto Have a look again at things like the switchgear, plastic mudguards & indicators etc Triumph also appear to have deleted the standard fit Cruise Control too, cheapening the model yet further !
Although I would never be able to afford one, it's nice that they lower the seat height making it more accessible. The Ground clearance shown in the video IMO is more than enough for the type of riding shown here. But next biggest concern would be the Wet weight of thr motorcycle. If it's above 200kg it can be still a handful in offroad terrain on certain circumstances.
Thanks for the video! my concern will be if the suspension changes will be an improvement or a compromise? The colors and the new light changes are on point.
Haha, yep that’s what I meant by yes & no. Some people will whinge about the lack of brembo on the X, but if it stops properly I don’t care what caliper it’s got on it
@@mancavemoto. The T120 went the way of Brembo brakes, the preceding models had Nissan. And I can tell you there’s pretty well no difference. For 99.9 % of us riders, we’ll not feel the margins. The same could be said of high end YSS shocks verses OHLINS. It’s not as if any of us are elite riders Moto GP or the Daka. Regards.
I fully agree, with you, the X looks nicer (especially in grey) and the lower seat is a good thing (especially for short 5f8 riders like me). BUT! The X is missing something its bigger sibling does have: cruise control.
As an XE owner the X looks like the better bike. When I had a Street Scrambler, what I really wanted was a 1200 version and the X is more or less exactly that. Losing that godawful TFT screen is a plus and there is another change they haven’t flagged up anywhere - it appears they’ve dropped the key fob ignition. Hurrah! For that alone, I’ll consider this bike.
I was thinking on buying the 900 version. Now I think the new 1200x is worth it for the new dash alone! It is honestly the ugliest part of the previous 1200-model scramblers! Really liking the new look also. Would have to test ride it some time to make a choice
Good presentation and some good points made by your viewers, both positive and negative. My thoughts are, yes they have slightly downgraded the XC to the X model, mainly due to demand, i'd like to think the majority of people buying the X model, will mainly use the bike as an urban commuter/sunday blast bike, not a major touring bike and the biggest portion of their customers, probably don't need the big branded brakes and suspension, lets face it, it's not an all out perfrmance bike and probably won't be ridden like one, there is plenty of other bikes for that. But i think they should of maybe offered and option of buying a the lower X but with XC spec suspension and brakes, but with lower travel or simply a lower XC for those with height issues. As for tank size, again is this bike aimed at the touring market? i'd say no, so you might loose a bit of range, but will benefit from a bit of weight saving in tank size and the weight of fuel. Just for reference, i have the early 1200 bobber with the 9ltr tank and can easily get 130 miles between fills and that is riding the bike quite aggresively, it averages around 63mpg no matter how i ride it, so i reckon 15ltrs is plenty considering the style of bike.
Hi from Greece. Excellent video. I was wondering why Triumph put a 21” front wheel on the x model? I thing it was not necessary and a 19inch would be a perfect match. It is weird 170mm of travel to have 21” front wheel. Never saw it before
No Thank you, glad I got the 23'XC, way too many down grades from syspension, brakes all the way to the ugly dash.
I ride a street scrambler 900. and dreamed. about 1200 scrambler but it's too tall for me. thanks Triumph for the 1200 X. now I know what my next bike will be
I don't understand why they kept the 21 inch front wheel after all the changes to make it a more road biased bike. Also, a bit sad they dropped the high spec brakes, seems like a huge downgrade to be honest. The rest is pretty sensible, going down to 170 mm suspension travel is a good choice, as well as the seat height. The 1200 models always struck me a one size too big, but now at least the X model should be right in the sweet spot for most riders.
i am definitely one of the few that prefer the previous XC model but i can see the bigger appeal for this because of the lower seat height. I am not sure how i feel about the clock sharing the same as the trident 660. I would've preferred the retro twin clocks from the T120 because it would've fitted the theme of the bike better. We can only truly appreciate the value of the bike once we've tested those front and rear shocks.
Yes. Set of twin clocks would look really good on this
I am a current XE owner and love it but actually really prefer the look of the new X!
I think the new display is better looking, like the black forks and is that black swing arm standard on the X?
Looking forward to seeing how it rides! Great video Tony
Yep, the grey bike in the video is completely stock, the red one has been fitted with some accessories
In other words, Triumph is boosting corporate profits on an already overpriced Thai-made motorcycle by downgrading key components, hoping most consumers will be too naive to notice.
I could live with most of the downgrading but not that it has non adjustable Suspension. With the sum of all these cheaper Parts ,the bike should be at least 3000 Dollars cheaper..
Although my Scrambler 900 is lacking engine and breaking power and needs better suspension i always found it more appealing than the fancy 1200 Models. The 900 felt like a more accessible funbike. But the new toned down models look interesting to me. Perhaps an Option for 2024.
I agree on the better looks and the lower seat height is a plus. I will be canceling my T120 I was buying this week and wait a few months to get the 1200 X.
i am glad that i have the XC i dont like the new X modell. Yes it looks nice with the black parts, but for 400 bucks i also have all in black on my XC. But i can understand the move from triumph that they go with a 170mm forks to reach more ppl. I prefer Brembo and Öhlins more so nothing for me now.
The X is a massive improvement… I sold my XC for all of the reasons they’ve now addressed… I would have preferred the speed twin clocks for a fully retro look but it’s definitely better..
I agree 100%. I have the XC currently and while I love it, I prefer a keyed ignition and a round clock. We will see how much cooler it is as well. I’m very interested, despite it being less appointed. I prefer a simpler bike, and I would have loved analog as well.
Anyone think the tank is too small, I maan I've a scrambler 900 bought on 2021 and I really suffer about the lack of autonomy and the shitty back suspension... Am I the only one wiht this "problems"?
Yes, but then maybe I'm older than you, and smaller bladdered, so welcome the regular "fuel" stops.
Yep thatll certainly help profitability
Triumph did not make the biggest feature update. The heat coming from that engine is unbearable at least in the US summers. If one lives in Alaska for sure it is a big plus.
For the rest of us is awful.
Although they say its a liquid cooled motor I read somewhere longtime ago where triumph actually said that its still partially AirCooled as it doesn't hold a lot of coolant hence why the radiator is so small. Those fins radiate a lot of heat. I have a street twin 900 and in the summer days in heavy traffic conditions the engine heat is unbearable.
I have been consider the XC for next season because my 186 cm hight, but would the X work for me? It looks stunning and I mostly ride tarmac.
Like your vids btw.
Should still be OK I guess? The one thing I’ve not been able to check based on the spec sheet it the relationship between the seat and pegs.
I like the scrambler range I just hope the suspension and brake down grades don’t effect sales unfortunately bling sells even if there’s no difference in performance, a good price point but definitely makes the second hand bikes with low miles a better deal
A good point, interesting that you described them as a downgrade, rather than replacement. It think maybe that’s indicative of the perceived quality that some brand names hold? I’m not saying they don’t make good parts obviously, but like for the like the performance may be same, or maybe the new ones better? We’ll only know once the bike is ridden
Always liked the look of the Triumph Scrambler. This new bike looks really nice, great specs
I like the look of the X, had a 2014 900 scrambler, traded against a pan America. I will seriously consider trading that for an X
Good review Tony...glad they dropped the keyless ignition. Both fab bikes! Cheers Steve
Thanks 👍
I had a Scrambler 900 for three years and really loved it, taking it to the Isle of Man, NC500 and into Europe but I fancied something with more power so bought an NT1100. I've only had the NT1100 for a couple of months and it's very capable but not very pretty and I'm looking at the 1200 X with lustful eyes. I'm only 168cms tall so the previous 1200 scramblers were too tall for me. I'll probably get a test ride later in the year.
The scrambler 900 has one thing better then the X and XE is the foot position. The 900 foot position is ever so slightly forward then the X and XE. And for this reason i have to get the 900 still. If X or XE had the slightly more forward controls, then the XE or X would be a no brainer. ✌️
PS: Im all about rider position and how the rider looks, if a bike makes you look ridiculous then its a no go. I dont need my scrambler to put my feet slightly back to make your legs look like your on a sports bike. 👍✌️
PSS: So to rate these bikes on how cool you look on them, the #1 900, #2 X , #3 XE. 🙏🏼
I have the 1200XE, a 900SS, and a 400X, our plan is to keep the 900SS and I am not getting a rid of my 1200XE either, with my wife riding the 900 and 400 I would love to offer her a more accessible bike with more power than the 900 and here comes where the X shines…I would say that the 400X is on the chopping block if she ever gets a hold of an X for a test ride… but models disappear from the showroom as fast as they come in… testament to the well developed Scrambler concept
The spec of the XC was too close to the XE IMO. Making the new X more "road focused" is a good move and makes it closer to a 1200 version of the Street Scrambler which is what many riders, myself included, wanted. Let's be honest though, none of them are serious off road bikes, they're just too heavy.
I had a Street Scrambler that I modified to my taste (you’ve seen it, Tony). I really liked it, but I always wished there was a 1200 version. I prefer lower bikes, so I think the new X will be worth a look. That is unless Fantic Motor brings the Caballero to the US.
Ah yes a lovely bike. Same here I loved my Street Twin but it always felt a little small when riding it. The new 1200X looks like the perfect solution
Lower seat, still decent suspension travel and 21' front wheel is definitely a good formula. Have they managed to make it lighter though? It doesn't sound like it.
No I think it’s the same weight. Confusingly the 1200xc had a dry weight listed and the x is now shown with a ‘wet’ weight.
Basically they’ve downgraded the XC and tried to pass it off as an improved model.
Or…and hear me out. They’ve dropped the XC model from the range and brought in a new entry level 1200 scrambler? 🤔😏 depends on how you want to look at it
The piece difference is too small.
Its not! There is driving modes and tractioncontrol…
The lower seat height is a big draw, I look like a child on the current models, my feet dangling uselessly inches above the ground.
I like the simplicity of the instruments too, the current model looks a bit fussy, and for a potential off-road machine a total dirt-trap, but what would really win me over from my current 900 Scrambler would be cruise control, and it sounds like that's gone.
What the updated 1200, and the new 400 ranges do do, is make the 900 look very dated, with the huge halogen headlamp and analogue (no bad thing) clocks. I wonder if we'll see some of this update carry over to the 900 engined versions, let's hope this increased accessibility isn't a precursor for their deletion.
Two small points I wish Triumph would address, the USB is still under the seat, which frankly is a stupid place to put a socket and the ridiculously small paint choice, come on Triumph, I can have a smorgasbord* of colour at Royal Enfield, you're being far too Henry Ford for my liking.
* I've always wanted to use "smorgasbord" in a TH-cam comment, at least Triumph's limited pallette let me do that, I guess.
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Great video mate. No wonder you didn't want to tell what new triumph was coming out! 😜🤣🤣.
They look fantastic! I personally think they will sell massively! Like you said , theres a good gap between the 900 to 1200. This looks like a good sweet spot 👍🏻 if I was still in the market at getting a Scrambler , i would 10000% be going for one 👍🏻. On an added note.... that Baja Orange 🤤🤤🤤
Thanks 👍
I wonder if Triumph will use the same business model of fitting components from the current cheapest bike they make (Trident 660) to the face lifted Rocket 3 ?
It’s only the speedo, and personally I think it suits the bike better than the XE one (which is also used on the rocket 3)
@@mancavemoto Have a look again at things like the switchgear, plastic mudguards & indicators etc Triumph also appear to have deleted the standard fit Cruise Control too, cheapening the model yet further !
My response was directly related you your comment. The only part I see related to the trident is the guts of the speedo
@@mancavemoto What about the brakes ?
Although I would never be able to afford one, it's nice that they lower the seat height making it more accessible. The Ground clearance shown in the video IMO is more than enough for the type of riding shown here. But next biggest concern would be the Wet weight of thr motorcycle. If it's above 200kg it can be still a handful in offroad terrain on certain circumstances.
Yep it’s still a bit of a ‘lump’ but I can’t see it being used for any ‘challenging’ off road.
Thanks for the video! my concern will be if the suspension changes will be an improvement or a compromise?
The colors and the new light changes are on point.
Only a test ride will confirm.
Is it an upgrade - yes
Is it a downgrade - yes
Win win 😀
Haha, yep that’s what I meant by yes & no. Some people will whinge about the lack of brembo on the X, but if it stops properly I don’t care what caliper it’s got on it
@@mancavemotoi'm sure the Nissin brakes would be more than adequate, they are also a well renowned brand.
@@mancavemoto. The T120 went the way of Brembo brakes, the preceding models had Nissan. And I can tell you there’s pretty well no difference. For 99.9 % of us riders, we’ll not feel the margins. The same could be said of high end YSS shocks verses OHLINS.
It’s not as if any of us are elite riders Moto GP or the Daka.
Regards.
I'm in the market for a new Scrambler 900. With this announcement, that purchase will have to wait.
I'll have a 1200x review coming towards the back end of march
I fully agree, with you, the X looks nicer (especially in grey) and the lower seat is a good thing (especially for short 5f8 riders like me). BUT! The X is missing something its bigger sibling does have: cruise control.
Round Display looks similar to my Trident 🔱 660 display.
I think it’s got the same ‘internals’. Makes sense
Great but too hi to climb on. Needs lower suspension. Need 31" max. Thailand gives one seat, no options
The 1200X is 820mm or 32" so not far away
As an XE owner the X looks like the better bike. When I had a Street Scrambler, what I really wanted was a 1200 version and the X is more or less exactly that. Losing that godawful TFT screen is a plus and there is another change they haven’t flagged up anywhere - it appears they’ve dropped the key fob ignition. Hurrah! For that alone, I’ll consider this bike.
I was thinking on buying the 900 version.
Now I think the new 1200x is worth it for the new dash alone! It is honestly the ugliest part of the previous 1200-model scramblers!
Really liking the new look also. Would have to test ride it some time to make a choice
Good presentation and some good points made by your viewers, both positive and negative.
My thoughts are, yes they have slightly downgraded the XC to the X model, mainly due to demand, i'd like to think the majority of people buying the X model, will mainly use the bike as an urban commuter/sunday blast bike, not a major touring bike and the biggest portion of their customers, probably don't need the big branded brakes and suspension, lets face it, it's not an all out perfrmance bike and probably won't be ridden like one, there is plenty of other bikes for that.
But i think they should of maybe offered and option of buying a the lower X but with XC spec suspension and brakes, but with lower travel or simply a lower XC for those with height issues.
As for tank size, again is this bike aimed at the touring market? i'd say no, so you might loose a bit of range, but will benefit from a bit of weight saving in tank size and the weight of fuel.
Just for reference, i have the early 1200 bobber with the 9ltr tank and can easily get 130 miles between fills and that is riding the bike quite aggresively, it averages around 63mpg no matter how i ride it, so i reckon 15ltrs is plenty considering the style of bike.
Yes goood idea . the 900 is too laim
beautyfull, this is the one i'v been waiting for , in ash grey and with some extra's!
Now, if they could update the Scrambler 900 with all LED lighting that would be great. As would a larger fuel tank to maybe 15L.
That could be coming soon?
Is about time they ge smart about the seat hight !!!- 🎉🎉
It would be the one I'd go for, but I won't be. Nick J
Did i hear that the tank capacity has been downgraded to 15 litres?
It’s now 15 litres yes
Hi from Greece. Excellent video. I was wondering why Triumph put a 21” front wheel on the x model? I thing it was not necessary and a 19inch would be a perfect match. It is weird 170mm of travel to have 21” front wheel. Never saw it before
Probably easier and cheaper than switching to a 19 inch and going through the homologation process
@@mancavemoto that is true
Interesting🤔certainly the best looking scramblers on the market😉
I think so too!
Great informative vid . You’ve become my second fav vlogger 😜
Haha thanks, who’s the first? 😂
@@mancavemoto Chopsie
Ah high praise indeed, Lambchop is a lovely fella and has such a good channel too. I’m a subscriber
Also available in black ;-)
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