OSHA is going to have a field day with this company. they will be fined and the families can definitely sue! You have to be certified, Hazwohpr trained to work in confined spaces. they should've been wearing Tyveks with rubber gloves, rubber boots and wearing respirators also tethered to a line with someone at the entry way. sounds to me like none of that was done.
@@jamesr2888 Actually and unfortunately that really does not clarify anything more than I already have. Not just anyone with PPE could do that job. there are laws that company has to follow making it so the employees have to be certified and trained to not only work in confined spaces but to work around and with hazardous materials. So no PPE alone while it may have kept these guys alive would not have made it legal.
If there was one paragraph buried in a 50 page employee handbook about hazmat safety, the deaths will be due to employee misconduct. This is almost certainly the case Not saying I agree with it, but it's reality. Although I agree with it for the most part because you can give a 10 hour class and threaten termination for not following safety rules and people will do what they are going to because you can't fix stupid. It doesn't come with an effective on off switch.
@The Man With No Shoes Tampa my money is that the employer didn’t even have MSDS sheets posted or explained during anyone’s hiring. That’s a norm when hiring on any job where there’s any possible hazardous materials or possible exposures.
@@vasquezalfred and you know this to be a fact? What is your source? I've been in the workforce for about 50 years. I've worked in Canada and 4 different states in the US. According to my experience, your statement is not true.
What about the company who owned the truck and should have known what chemical had been in the tanker? Did they pass that info onto the truck washing company? One or both of them should have to pay, but that may take a while to sort out. Mean while these bodies have to be dealt with so the families are doing what they can.
@Lottie Lot I have no idea about those things, I have never washed trucks. However if it is so obvious I wonder why the guys who washed the truck didn't know.
@Lottie Lot I give all semi's a wide berth and really the only signs on them I pay attention to is the explosive one, I tend to give them even more room. So no I really don't pay attention to the other signs as they don't concern me.
LOL, yes pay the funeral costs. Kill two people and contribute $500 to their funeral gets you off the hook for the $5 million you will be getting sued for..
Considering the original owner of this company is in prison, and the people who took over where his friends, I'm not surprised. And yes thats true, I was at one of their locations on the day it was raided and watched Danny get escorted away in cuffs. Edit: Back when ICE still did their job.
This happened in Houston last year. These truck washes don’t follow confined space entry procedures. Shame it takes two fatalities to get things right.
I'm not too sure the truck wash location is responsible for the truckers going inside their tanker to clean it. Maybe they need a "contents hot" warning like our coffee cups at McDonalds.
@@mofomoco Maybe I'm mistaking who went into the tanker. I thought it was a self service wash. If it was truckwash employees then that is just beyond negligent.
Sodium Hydrosulphite has a high affinity for Oxygen. Used in a confined space, without the proper breathing equipment can lead to death from Asphyxiation.
@@montana5398 I guess it's better than dying. I have used it often in a well ventilated area with no problems. It's a common rust remover that can be bought over the counter.
I’m gonna wager that neither of them had their confined space entry training or even permission to enter a hazardous confined space. It is most likely clearly marked as well. I’d like more of the details about who told them to go in there. Or did they do it themselves?
@@alphasheep99 if you don’t have training or specialty equipment to enter you don’t go inside anything. I bet it was full of poison gas sulfides the one guy went in and felt light headed and passed out immediately. Next guy went in to save him, was over come too. Then 3rd guy tried to help. One breath is deadly. You have to ventilate them or wash them out and have gas monitoring equipment on the person and check inside it before entering.
One guy could have collapsed in the tank and the 2nd went in to grab him. The Haz Waste classes show exactly that. Hard to watch your buddy go down without trying to save him. Still, investigation has to be done.
@@jonathanobrien3251 That is the right way to do it, imagine how many people would have die if all tried to get inside to rescue the others without PPE.
Virtually any common substance, from carbon dioxide, to nitrogen, to fuel vapors, to plain water, can cause death in a confined space if it displaces air containing sufficient oxygen for life support.
What we need to know is does Danny's car wash have the mean to do this kind of work? Have they done this in the passed, were the hazardous chemicals washed into the sewer system, are they licensed to do this work!
The workers probably weren’t informed, and the truck driver may have assumed they would know...no vehicle that’s hauling dangerous chemicals ought to be going to an outside commercial car wash.
Yes . They were (at least 4 years ago when I worked for them; at this location) the only truck wash in the state that would do a certain kind of cleaning of those tankers. The owner makes a really good profit off those washes.
If there was one paragraph buried in a 50 page employee handbook about hazmat safety, the deaths will be due to employee misconduct. This is almost certainly the case Not saying I agree with it, but it's reality. Although I agree with it for the most part because you can give a 10 hour class and threaten termination for not following safety rules and people will do what they are going to because you can't fix stupid. It doesn't come with an effective on off switch.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Actually That is Not true they will still { Owners} be Liable if they Never Informed the workers of what was in the Tanker. If they had different types of cleaning at that Place and then let the workers in to clean without notifying them and Not having Hazard practice In Place the owner is still Libal No Matter what they say. I worked In a factory that made and Packaged drug's . There were different drugs coming down the Line on any different day Based on the contract. The HAD to tell Us the chemicals and going in and drug being Made. { someone Might have a allergy etc.} The same as trucks are Liable for broken windshields NO Matter how Many signs they Have on thier truck.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 no because if they arent providing them with necessary equipment, training etc then they are still liable. Just like because you sign a waiver at a amusement park doesnt grant them immunity from anything that would happen...
It would also depend on what the company was informed about the contents. If you watch enough Chemical Safety Board videos it's often a combination of workers disregarding even a single step in a process and the company being complacent with checking that procedures are followed.
I'm curious to hear what the trucking companies policy on opening a dome lid on a tank. It may be possible depending on what the rules and regulations per EPA and OSHA the Driver and the trucking company may have to answer for this as well.
Tragic may they RIP, hope the family can come to terms with thier loss. Condolances, the same thing happen here in the uk in a work place a while a go. Deadly chemical.
I was going to work here along time ago i new someone who worked here im glad i didnt because this is bs ass slave work. Rip to the guys hope the family get payed . !
allot of places hire contract companies or pay other companies to do it. never verify that the people doing the work are properly trained. just that the company has the insurance and paperwork for deniability of liability due to fraud. had it happen with a security company that i worked for. company pulled a contract for fire watch told the client everything and the sun showed them the paperwork. i go to the site told to do fire watch and as a licensed fire watch instructor follow the law the place gets shut down for not pulling permits. then they sued the company i was working for. lost the job fast but keep my license.
Several questions here: Did they know what was inside the tanker? Did the tanker owner, advice the truck wash management about the dangers of the tanker contents? Was this the first time the employees have done this type of work? Where the employees properly trained to work in confined spaces and the use of PPE when dealing with hazardous materials?
Hazardous material handling 40 CFR & OSHA 20 CFR are federal regulations for business & workplace employee ( & non employees who may temporarily be on site) safety. Any violation of these standards is a felony. The DEQ cannot respond unless requested by the owner, or by a employee or otherwise. Hazmat disposal is very expensive which attracts greed & ignorance & is probably why the mafia( politicians) are deeply embedded in those businesses. Ignorance of these realities , (& awareness too) of such can cost you your life.
Confined space would’ve prevented this but I can also understand how companies try to cut corners to save but now they are probably going to be spending a lot more.
Proper procedure to enter any large tank for cleaning or maintenance is a self-contained breathing apparatus with back up people with same for rescue if it becomes necessary. Not a whole lot different from basic scuba diving protocol.
They weren't TRAPPED They were cleaning it out because someone had told them to, or were just plain ignorant of the dangers!!! Common sense goes a long way too preventing this kind of tragedy!!! 2021
@@Ricky_Spanishh Pre-meditated murder is pre-meditated , but not all murder is pre-meditated . But hey Thanks for playing along , you get the most ridiculous come back of the day award ! Now back to work cleaning out that trailer !
Most times when multiple people die in a confined space it’s because one of them was overcome by fumes or oxygen being displaced and instead of dialing 911 the second and sometimes even third person will follow them in.
Total negligence on the car washes fault, Danny's is a car wash company not a chemical waste cleaning company, although I think the trucking company should also have some part in this if they did not tell them what was inside the tanker prior to it being cleaned, absolutely sad situation, guys where just doing their jobs and probably had no idea what hit them. Very sad, prayers to both families
The truck driver would have shown the men the paperwork that would have given them preventative safety measures that would have had to perform, to do the job with safety being the number one priority!
Cleaning something like that requires expertise and proper equipment. Someone needs to go to jail for this. They used low paid worker to save money and killed them.
I’ve worked in industrial coatings involving sandblasting of water tanks, oil refinery tanks etc, outside and inside, any confined space had to be monitored, tested and cleared just to enter it, and always proper PPE, life lanyard, static resistant everything and also extremely low tempered heat lamps and air supplied hooded head gear. In spraying the paint coatings, the same. These two should have never stepped foot inside that tanker but they didn’t know. Condolences to there families and this owner on down the chain must be held accountable
The company deserves wild fines and bankruptcy for sending those guys down with no ppe to a damn public car wash with that toxic mix. You can't just wash down tankers filled with crap like that at the local car wash.
Were they just clean the outside of it and it was that bad that it killed him or they inside of the trailer cleaning the inside of it out? I'm just curious this is horrible
This is the same reason why you can't buy pool cleaning supplies inside of a Walmart anymore. Improperly vented ventilation areas cannot be used for chemical storage. Or the sale of such items containing toxic chemicals particularly the danger of different products mixing together. My question is where was OSHA safety manual for the truck wash or for the Trucking Company getting the trucks washed. Every truck is supposed to be labeled as to what chemicals are on board or have recently been on board part of the Department of Transportation law. And the drivers that drive those trucks are supposed to be well-trained as to the dangers of the chemicals so that they would be able to advise the people washing the trucks to begin with. Bottom line sounds like a major lawsuit to me it's a shame people have to die until the law gets involved.
I've done confined space entries several times, and to get a death out of one, you had to violate the rules. To get two deaths, you had to violate even more rules.
Danny's Truck Wash, their website boasts that "Time Is Money." "We'll get you back on the road in a jiffy." I'm assuming that the workers are told to be quick when cleaning. Putting on any PPE will slow down cleaning time thus slowing down profits. Disgusting, of course I'm just assuming here, maybe the workers were poorly trained.
You do NOT go inside a tanker to clean it. That is tank washing 101. Those employees were clearly not trained by the owner. This is sad and should have been prevented.
Years ago, my company used to haul nash( sodium hydro sulphide) , never brought it to tank wash for cleaning… always, i mean always when we finished hauling nash loads, we hauled at least two caustic soda loads in that tank… then had it cleaned, i can only think that trucking company messed up, tank wash people messed up, the fumes from nash smell soo bad, I can’t imagine anyone entering a tank like that!!!
This is horrible and those responsible should be sued for liability and damages till they're left with nothing but the clothes on their backs. However the government will take care of all funeral expenses if the family signs paperwork that the deaths were caused by covid.
I would like more information on this. There sounds like there were failures all over the place in this incident. Like was the chemical in the tanker from being hauled, or was the wrong chemical put in the washing system, I'm assuming they weren't wearing respirators, why was there no one outside the truck monitoring the men inside. These are questions that come right of the top of my head
MSDS was most likely not asked for by workers or given by the driver... MSDS helps to provide information about the product that driver was previously carrying. Never enter a tank that was previously carrying any chemical. I have 18 years of experience and most likely they were kids that entered cause someone that's older that has experience would not enter.sad...
The company’s should be 1000% responsible for this worker’s I’m talking about the truck companies…plus what are them trucks being washed at that location when it has HAZARDOUS Chemical…
Is it common to enter the enclosed spaces of tanker trailers to clean them? That just sounds like gambling with death right from the get-go. Certainly the owners-operators of tanker truck lines should be providing oversight of such cleaning operations. Navy personnel are not allowed to enter the ship's tanks and voids before an inspection is completed by the Gas-Free Engineer. And if I was the truck wash owner, I would NOT allow tankers to be washed out in my truck wash!
Wow! For 15 years, employed by a fortunate 500 company, Semiconductor Co....let me tell you, they're very strict guidelines in complying with OSHA. [We] were all trained and license by the Board, which required special training to work with such dangerous chemicals in order to do our job. They will be fined-heavily, as we as getting sued. The families my also be able to sue the car wash as well, if they were not suppose to have tanker trucks being washed at their car wash, with no signs, or indications in not having such vehicles washed there. The employees required special training in washing tankers in cleaning them.
Oh the owner of the tanker trailer and the operator should be arrested they had to be fully aware of the dangers of the confined space regardless of the chemical inside the fact that it became deadly is unexcusable and must have been caused by greed.
Some else already said this but it's a highly accurate analysis. Scuba diving protocols with hazmat suits only the oxygen is deadly too. That's the procedures that should have been in place. Clearly none of that took place. Sad needless deaths.
Obviously these people have been getting away with this work for years like this. In my old job (retired now)… whenever I had to go into a confined spaced you had to drop in a gas monitor to check the air quality BEFORE going in. And the monitor had to be present and running at all times.
Ever heard of Sanderson Farms? Most unkempt and dangerous equipment I've ever seen a food processing company. Ammonia leaks everywhere. Live electrical wires laying in pools of water on roofs of buildings. Roof leaks and dirty water getting into food processing equipment. Even with u.s.d.a. officials in these plants does NOT guarantee your food to be safe from contamination. They simply look the other way. Can only imagine the b.s. that is overlooked now with covid. Never again would I work in one of these poorly managed dangerous hell holes. Reporting "issues" gets you immediately terminated. Telling the governing bodies that are supposed to be inspected these companies goes absolutely nowhere. This type of b.s. has been going on for decades and beyond.
Driver should know what is in his tanker!!! Should never have allowed them access and asked for it to be cleaned inside before being properly treated!!! Why is truck cleaning company not liable for their deaths?! WTF
So, why was there no confined space protocal followed? Does MIOSHA plan on following through with fines & Notice of violation for the company? Thats some nasty stuff in those tankers for staryers & never should have been entered without proper PPE. I hope the affected families sue the living crap out of the company. This was irresponsible & is unacceptable.
Tragic accident caused by someone trying to save money skimping on adequate training. The two workers most likely had no idea the danger they were in. Faulty PPE or no training in its use or the truck wash was not supposed to wash out tankers which would explain the ignorance of the danger.
Did the driver not inform them about his last load ? (MSDS) Why the clean out ?? Was the next load Food Grade ?? Do these truck washes even ask the drivers what did you haul last ?
Not to sound harsh but did the Driver at least say what his last load was and what chemical it was. The Driver was Hazmat certified in order to haul that kind of substances and fully aware of the dangers. Not saying he is at fault but just saying it should but that's the kind of thing you make sure all workers are aware of it. Truckers that have their Hazmat know their stuff. Testing and Certification are strict and its on the federal level. Workers should be Hazmat certified also considering the line of work it is.
Has nothing to do with untrained people. it does have to do with that company not following national safety guidelines and procedures. That company deals with hazardous chemicals and cleaning them up. it is up to them to make sure their employees are trained and certified in confined spaces along with having all the proper equipment Tyvek (hazmat suits) rubber gloves, rubber boots, respirators, safety glasses and tripod tether. Someone dropped the ball here either the company which OSHA is going to fine the hell out of or the government for not making sure this companies employees were Hazwophr trained. I'm assuming after all of the fines they will receive and the lawsuits from the families filed they won't be in business much longer.
They should have given their employees if they're going to do something like that protective gear 100 percent it should be informed of what chemicals inside the truck before climbing into it and make sure they have the right gear. The company should be sued for putting their own place in danger like that. 100%
The company should be covering both of their funeral costs seeing as it’s highly dangerous to have anyone go inside a tanker that still has active chemical in it.. it’s common sense
You never know when it’s your day to die! Always try to find happiness in each day. Hell. In each moment if you can. Sounds lame but why not give it a go.
It wasn't "their day to die" They were killed by somebody else's negligence. If it is "your day to die" you would be struck by lightning or a meteor or something.
When a driver goes to a tank wash, they require your last bill of lading and the material safety data sheet of the chemical which last occupied that tank. Obviously, this tank wash did not. Clearly, the workers assigned the job were not properly trained and supervised. These guys are not paid very much and employees do not stick around very long at these places.
Amazing that safety organization didn’t prevent anyone from dying this horrible death yet they will make money when it should go to the family of both men.
OSHA is going to have a field day with this company. they will be fined and the families can definitely sue!
You have to be certified, Hazwohpr trained to work in confined spaces. they should've been wearing Tyveks with rubber gloves, rubber boots and wearing respirators also tethered to a line with someone at the entry way. sounds to me like none of that was done.
Exactly their business will be shut down I bet
Let me clarify; these two employees were INSIDE the tanker cleaning it without any PPE?
That's terrible those poor men.
@@jamesr2888 Actually and unfortunately that really does not clarify anything more than I already have.
Not just anyone with PPE could do that job. there are laws that company has to follow making it so the employees have to be certified and trained to not only work in confined spaces but to work around and with hazardous materials.
So no PPE alone while it may have kept these guys alive would not have made it legal.
If there was one paragraph buried in a 50 page employee handbook about hazmat safety, the deaths will be due to employee misconduct. This is almost certainly the case
Not saying I agree with it, but it's reality. Although I agree with it for the most part because you can give a 10 hour class and threaten termination for not following safety rules and people will do what they are going to because you can't fix stupid. It doesn't come with an effective on off switch.
That is a sad story - poor people just trying to make a living.
😥😔🙏🙏🙏
Yea poor innocent people trying to make a living only to be taken advantage of.
@The Man With No Shoes Tampa my money is that the employer didn’t even have MSDS sheets posted or explained during anyone’s hiring. That’s a norm when hiring on any job where there’s any possible hazardous materials or possible exposures.
@The Man With No Shoes Tampa dude…
@@vasquezalfred and you know this to be a fact? What is your source? I've been in the workforce for about 50 years. I've worked in Canada and 4 different states in the US. According to my experience, your statement is not true.
The truck washing company should be 100% responsible for covering funeral costs.
Yes workmans comp should be paying but it takes time for that all to work out.
What about the company who owned the truck and should have known what chemical had been in the tanker? Did they pass that info onto the truck washing company? One or both of them should have to pay, but that may take a while to sort out. Mean while these bodies have to be dealt with so the families are doing what they can.
@Lottie Lot I have no idea about those things, I have never washed trucks. However if it is so obvious I wonder why the guys who washed the truck didn't know.
@Lottie Lot I give all semi's a wide berth and really the only signs on them I pay attention to is the explosive one, I tend to give them even more room. So no I really don't pay attention to the other signs as they don't concern me.
LOL, yes pay the funeral costs. Kill two people and contribute $500 to their funeral gets you off the hook for the $5 million you will be getting sued for..
Considering the original owner of this company is in prison, and the people who took over where his friends, I'm not surprised. And yes thats true, I was at one of their locations on the day it was raided and watched Danny get escorted away in cuffs.
Edit: Back when ICE still did their job.
Was in prison and all because of hiring illegals
@Matthew Harrup It's not, though. Happened in 2014, educate yourself.
@Hugh Jaanus huge anus not hugh jaanus
@@TCrob 😂😂😂 we need more people on this planet with your sense of humor
@TCrob 😂😂😂😂😂
This happened in Houston last year. These truck washes don’t follow confined space entry procedures. Shame it takes two fatalities to get things right.
I'm not too sure the truck wash location is responsible for the truckers going inside their tanker to clean it. Maybe they need a "contents hot" warning like our coffee cups at McDonalds.
@@napkin74 osha was created for bosses like you
@@mofomoco Maybe I'm mistaking who went into the tanker. I thought it was a self service wash. If it was truckwash employees then that is just beyond negligent.
Highly unlikely
Too bad it won't actually get things right.
My condolences to the families for their loss 😢
Sodium Hydrosulphite has a high affinity for Oxygen. Used in a confined space, without the proper breathing equipment can lead to death from Asphyxiation.
Sodium hydrosulfide causes pulmonary edema
@@montana5398
I guess it's better than dying.
I have used it often in a well ventilated area with no problems.
It's a common rust remover that can be bought over the counter.
No dude you have to ingest it, Only harmful if swallowed bro
@@Joe-qv2qc
I never considered eating it. It does smell kind of funky, not something that would be appetizing.
@@Joe-qv2qc So you think they both swallowed it?
I’m gonna wager that neither of them had their confined space entry training or even permission to enter a hazardous confined space. It is most likely clearly marked as well. I’d like more of the details about who told them to go in there. Or did they do it themselves?
You really think they didn't have permission? Its their job
@@alphasheep99 if you don’t have training or specialty equipment to enter you don’t go inside anything. I bet it was full of poison gas sulfides the one guy went in and felt light headed and passed out immediately. Next guy went in to save him, was over come too. Then 3rd guy tried to help. One breath is deadly. You have to ventilate them or wash them out and have gas monitoring equipment on the person and check inside it before entering.
@@lptvboy exactly no just because someone tells you to do something doesn’t mean you have permission
@@alphasheep99 You clearly don't know anything about confined space entry.
One guy could have collapsed in the tank and the 2nd went in to grab him. The Haz Waste classes show exactly that. Hard to watch your buddy go down without trying to save him. Still, investigation has to be done.
Jerrold Kazynski An article about it on "US News" said that is exactly what happened. You're right. ✔😢
Supposed the be tied to a tether so you can be pulled out
@@jonathanobrien3251 That is the right way to do it, imagine how many people would have die if all tried to get inside to rescue the others without PPE.
@@bandido7994 its called a theather clear they didn't do a lot right
Sorry to hear this. Condolences to their families.
Poorly trained and underpaid
Sound like republican voters.
@@tvdinner325 What a absolutely ignorant comment. You'll be happy to know the men were illegals though.
Jesus everything is political ,even choosing vanilla ice cream over chocolate can get you hate
@John Smith lol i actually heard of a story where someone did get offended over picking vanilla over chocolate
Virtually any common substance, from carbon dioxide, to nitrogen, to fuel vapors, to plain water, can cause death in a confined space if it displaces air containing sufficient oxygen for life support.
What we need to know is does Danny's car wash have the mean to do this kind of work? Have they done this in the passed, were the hazardous chemicals washed into the sewer system, are they licensed to do this work!
Many chemicals get dissolved and aren't an issue as long you are not dupping multiple trug loads or oil
The workers probably weren’t informed, and the truck driver may have assumed they would know...no vehicle that’s hauling dangerous chemicals ought to be going to an outside commercial car wash.
Yes . They were (at least 4 years ago when I worked for them; at this location) the only truck wash in the state that would do a certain kind of cleaning of those tankers. The owner makes a really good profit off those washes.
Yes they are one of the few who can clean hazmat trailers in the valley. Probably not anymore though.
@@anaorteg8862 , Lili Rain - It doesn't sound like these guys were wearing the proper gear though. Or wearing it improperly...
So many questions about where, what, when why who, true journalism has left the building… long long time ago
When I heard this story I figured some OSHA rules were broken and NCSB recommendations were ignored.
The two workers were unlikely to be trained for confined spaces
Apparently, the workers were not aware of OSHA “Confined Space” procedures. Their boss is the one at fault AFAIC.
Exactly... no one doing air quality testing constantly at the opening
I think Danny's is gonna be responsible but for her paying Their funeral cost. And a lot of other things
I agree and they should be shut down by osha
If there was one paragraph buried in a 50 page employee handbook about hazmat safety, the deaths will be due to employee misconduct. This is almost certainly the case
Not saying I agree with it, but it's reality. Although I agree with it for the most part because you can give a 10 hour class and threaten termination for not following safety rules and people will do what they are going to because you can't fix stupid. It doesn't come with an effective on off switch.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Actually That is Not true they will still { Owners} be Liable if they Never Informed the workers of what was in the Tanker.
If they had different types of cleaning at that Place and then let the workers in to clean without notifying them and Not having Hazard practice In Place the owner is still Libal No Matter what they say.
I worked In a factory that made and Packaged drug's . There were different drugs coming down the Line on any different day Based on the contract. The HAD to tell Us the chemicals and going in and drug being Made. { someone Might have a allergy etc.}
The same as trucks are Liable for broken windshields NO Matter how Many signs they Have on thier truck.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 no because if they arent providing them with necessary equipment, training etc then they are still liable. Just like because you sign a waiver at a amusement park doesnt grant them immunity from anything that would happen...
It would also depend on what the company was informed about the contents. If you watch enough Chemical Safety Board videos it's often a combination of workers disregarding even a single step in a process and the company being complacent with checking that procedures are followed.
Inside a confined space without wearing proper equipment and hole watch.
You're right. They must have had a procedure to check the air quality before entering
I'm curious to hear what the trucking companies policy on opening a dome lid on a tank. It may be possible depending on what the rules and regulations per EPA and OSHA the Driver and the trucking company may have to answer for this as well.
Tragic may they RIP, hope the family can come to terms with thier loss. Condolances, the same thing happen here in the uk in a work place a while a go. Deadly chemical.
This is how you're treated when you work for someone else.
I was going to work here along time ago i new someone who worked here im glad i didnt because this is bs ass slave work. Rip to the guys hope the family get payed . !
Isn’t the company the drivers work for supposed to have a hazmat area to wash their own trucks? 🤷♂️
@@richardlamm4826 GòóD
Cut Cost
You know how it is
@@FuckTH-cam-ok totally
allot of places hire contract companies or pay other companies to do it. never verify that the people doing the work are properly trained. just that the company has the insurance and paperwork for deniability of liability due to fraud. had it happen with a security company that i worked for. company pulled a contract for fire watch told the client everything and the sun showed them the paperwork. i go to the site told to do fire watch and as a licensed fire watch instructor follow the law the place gets shut down for not pulling permits. then they sued the company i was working for. lost the job fast but keep my license.
@@Master-ls2op That’s crazy, luckily they didn’t try to come after you.
Several questions here:
Did they know what was inside the tanker?
Did the tanker owner, advice the truck wash management about the dangers of the tanker contents?
Was this the first time the employees have done this type of work?
Where the employees properly trained to work in confined spaces and the use of PPE when dealing with hazardous materials?
Hazardous material handling 40 CFR & OSHA 20 CFR are federal regulations for business & workplace employee ( & non employees who may temporarily be on site) safety. Any violation of these standards is a felony. The DEQ cannot respond unless requested by the owner, or by a employee or otherwise. Hazmat disposal is very expensive which attracts greed & ignorance & is probably why the mafia( politicians) are deeply embedded in those businesses. Ignorance of these realities , (& awareness too) of such can cost you your life.
Absolutely right on the money with your comment, People need to wake up and demand politicians to break from corporate dominance.
Confined space would’ve prevented this but I can also understand how companies try to cut corners to save but now they are probably going to be spending a lot more.
Heartfelt Condolences, to family and community of loved ones of the men that passed.
Wow that's really sad to hear.
My condolences to their families for their loss.
May they Rest in Peace
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Proper procedure to enter any large tank for cleaning or maintenance is a self-contained breathing apparatus with back up people with same for rescue if it becomes necessary. Not a whole lot different from basic scuba diving protocol.
That's already happened at least three times here in San Antonio area.
Omg... those poor guys...😭😭😭
My heart go out to their family and friends
No, YOU'RE crazy!
This company should be picking up the cost for the funerals!!!!!!!!
Condolences to the families
Cradle to Grave, OSHA! RIP to those lives lost through negligence and mismanagement. 🙌✨
Tanker trucks are not to be washed at a carwash unless they are contracted with them and somebody screwed up
They weren't TRAPPED They were cleaning it out because someone had told them to, or were just plain ignorant of the dangers!!! Common sense goes a long way too preventing this kind of tragedy!!! 2021
No not a tragedy , murder , but no tragedy .
@@timc333 Murder is premeditated. Come on at least know what you're talking about before spouting off some bs
@@Ricky_Spanishh Pre-meditated murder is pre-meditated , but not all murder is pre-meditated . But hey Thanks for playing along , you get the most ridiculous come back of the day award ! Now back to work cleaning out that trailer !
@@timc333 Great argument. I would call this negligence on the part of management, and of course poor training.
Most times when multiple people die in a confined space it’s because one of them was overcome by fumes or oxygen being displaced and instead of dialing 911 the second and sometimes even third person will follow them in.
Same issue in Brevard county Florida about 10 years ago
Total negligence on the car washes fault, Danny's is a car wash company not a chemical waste cleaning company, although I think the trucking company should also have some part in this if they did not tell them what was inside the tanker prior to it being cleaned, absolutely sad situation, guys where just doing their jobs and probably had no idea what hit them. Very sad, prayers to both families
Wtf why are they raising money that company should pay for everything including lost of life!!! How the hell do they get away with this🤦🏾♂️
Oh my gosh what...that is terrible 😢
The truck driver would have shown the men the paperwork that would have given them preventative safety measures that would have had to perform, to do the job with safety being the number one priority!
Cleaning something like that requires expertise and proper equipment. Someone needs to go to jail for this. They used low paid worker to save money and killed them.
I’ve worked in industrial coatings involving sandblasting of water tanks, oil refinery tanks etc, outside and inside, any confined space had to be monitored, tested and cleared just to enter it, and always proper PPE, life lanyard, static resistant everything and also extremely low tempered heat lamps and air supplied hooded head gear.
In spraying the paint coatings, the same.
These two should have never stepped foot inside that tanker but they didn’t know. Condolences to there families and this owner on down the chain must be held accountable
Sounds like you need a hazmat suit to clean those tankers
Even water tanks emit vapors over time that can be dangerous. They need to train workers about these issues
The company deserves wild fines and bankruptcy for sending those guys down with no ppe to a damn public car wash with that toxic mix. You can't just wash down tankers filled with crap like that at the local car wash.
Where can we get it?
Whoever brought that tank in there should have known better
No way should they have been inside! Did they fall in?
Raising money for the funeral costs? Where's the owner of the company. That's the absolute least he could do.
What were their confined space procedures?
The truck wash should pay for the funeral! Prayers for the family and friends
And more. A lawsuit towards their insurance policy at minimum.
Were they just clean the outside of it and it was that bad that it killed him or they inside of the trailer cleaning the inside of it out? I'm just curious this is horrible
I love this safe world we live in.
This is the same reason why you can't buy pool cleaning supplies inside of a Walmart anymore. Improperly vented ventilation areas cannot be used for chemical storage. Or the sale of such items containing toxic chemicals particularly the danger of different products mixing together. My question is where was OSHA safety manual for the truck wash or for the Trucking Company getting the trucks washed. Every truck is supposed to be labeled as to what chemicals are on board or have recently been on board part of the Department of Transportation law. And the drivers that drive those trucks are supposed to be well-trained as to the dangers of the chemicals so that they would be able to advise the people washing the trucks to begin with. Bottom line sounds like a major lawsuit to me it's a shame people have to die until the law gets involved.
Did you say they were inside that tanker truck
I've done confined space entries several times, and to get a death out of one, you had to violate the rules. To get two deaths, you had to violate even more rules.
@T Markart Hope you married her.
Danny's Truck Wash, their website boasts that "Time Is Money." "We'll get you back on the road in a jiffy." I'm assuming that the workers are told to be quick when cleaning. Putting on any PPE will slow down cleaning time thus slowing down profits. Disgusting, of course I'm just assuming here, maybe the workers were poorly trained.
You do NOT go inside a tanker to clean it. That is tank washing 101. Those employees were clearly not trained by the owner. This is sad and should have been prevented.
What chemical is that in regular everyday talk ? Chlorine ? Acid ?
The two who died were employees of the truck wash. One man entered the tank and passed out so the other man entered the tank to rescue the first.
Oh my goodness that is one of the most deadly chemicals!!!
The level of exposure that can kill someone is infinitesimal.
Everyone's talking about the car wash company.. but what about the truck company/driver not disclosing the hazardous chemicals in the first place?
Years ago, my company used to haul nash( sodium hydro sulphide) , never brought it to tank wash for cleaning… always, i mean always when we finished hauling nash loads, we hauled at least two caustic soda loads in that tank… then had it cleaned, i can only think that trucking company messed up, tank wash people messed up, the fumes from nash smell soo bad, I can’t imagine anyone entering a tank like that!!!
This is horrible and those responsible should be sued for liability and damages till they're left with nothing but the clothes on their backs. However the government will take care of all funeral expenses if the family signs paperwork that the deaths were caused by covid.
No warning on any documents, specifications or procedures? Negligence, all the way!!
Where did the chemical come from?
GOOD QUESTION
last load in the tanker trailer most likely , fumes from it in an empty tanker .
I would like more information on this. There sounds like there were failures all over the place in this incident. Like was the chemical in the tanker from being hauled, or was the wrong chemical put in the washing system, I'm assuming they weren't wearing respirators, why was there no one outside the truck monitoring the men inside. These are questions that come right of the top of my head
MSDS was most likely not asked for by workers or given by the driver... MSDS helps to provide information about the product that driver was previously carrying. Never enter a tank that was previously carrying any chemical. I have 18 years of experience and most likely they were kids that entered cause someone that's older that has experience would not enter.sad...
The company’s should be 1000% responsible for this worker’s I’m talking about the truck companies…plus what are them trucks being washed at that location when it has HAZARDOUS Chemical…
i was thinking along the same lines.
Wait, you mean they clean inside tanker trucks ? Why ?
Is it common to enter the enclosed spaces of tanker trailers to clean them? That just sounds like gambling with death right from the get-go. Certainly the owners-operators of tanker truck lines should be providing oversight of such cleaning operations. Navy personnel are not allowed to enter the ship's tanks and voids before an inspection is completed by the Gas-Free Engineer. And if I was the truck wash owner, I would NOT allow tankers to be washed out in my truck wash!
Wow! For 15 years, employed by a fortunate 500 company, Semiconductor Co....let me tell you, they're very strict guidelines in complying with OSHA. [We] were all trained and license by the Board, which required special training to work with such dangerous chemicals in order to do our job. They will be fined-heavily, as we as getting sued. The families my also be able to sue the car wash as well, if they were not suppose to have tanker trucks being washed at their car wash, with no signs, or indications in not having such vehicles washed there. The employees required special training in washing tankers in cleaning them.
Oh the owner of the tanker trailer and the operator should be arrested they had to be fully aware of the dangers of the confined space regardless of the chemical inside the fact that it became deadly is unexcusable and must have been caused by greed.
Some else already said this but it's a highly accurate analysis. Scuba diving protocols with hazmat suits only the oxygen is deadly too. That's the procedures that should have been in place. Clearly none of that took place. Sad needless deaths.
Obviously these people have been getting away with this work for years like this. In my old job (retired now)… whenever I had to go into a confined spaced you had to drop in a gas monitor to check the air quality BEFORE going in. And the monitor had to be present and running at all times.
These things happen when employers fail to ensure the safety of their workers. Shame on them.
Ever heard of Sanderson Farms? Most unkempt and dangerous equipment I've ever seen a food processing company. Ammonia leaks everywhere. Live electrical wires laying in pools of water on roofs of buildings. Roof leaks and dirty water getting into food processing equipment. Even with u.s.d.a. officials in these plants does NOT guarantee your food to be safe from contamination. They simply look the other way. Can only imagine the b.s. that is overlooked now with covid. Never again would I work in one of these poorly managed dangerous hell holes. Reporting "issues" gets you immediately terminated. Telling the governing bodies that are supposed to be inspected these companies goes absolutely nowhere. This type of b.s. has been going on for decades and beyond.
The truck should have had hazardous warning placard. And the DRIVER has have had is manifest checked by management.
Driver should know what is in his tanker!!! Should never have allowed them access and asked for it to be cleaned inside before being properly treated!!! Why is truck cleaning company not liable for their deaths?! WTF
So, why was there no confined space protocal followed? Does MIOSHA plan on following through with fines & Notice of violation for the company? Thats some nasty stuff in those tankers for staryers & never should have been entered without proper PPE. I hope the affected families sue the living crap out of the company. This was irresponsible & is unacceptable.
What do they use that stuff for?
Tragic accident caused by someone trying to save money skimping on adequate training. The two workers most likely had no idea the danger they were in. Faulty PPE or no training in its use or the truck wash was not supposed to wash out tankers which would explain the ignorance of the danger.
Did the driver not inform them about his last load ? (MSDS)
Why the clean out ??
Was the next load Food Grade ??
Do these truck washes even ask the drivers what did you haul last ?
Not to sound harsh but did the Driver at least say what his last load was and what chemical it was. The Driver was Hazmat certified in order to haul that kind of substances and fully aware of the dangers. Not saying he is at fault but just saying it should but that's the kind of thing you make sure all workers are aware of it. Truckers that have their Hazmat know their stuff. Testing and Certification are strict and its on the federal level. Workers should be Hazmat certified also considering the line of work it is.
Keep hiring under trained people
Has nothing to do with untrained people. it does have to do with that company not following national safety guidelines and procedures.
That company deals with hazardous chemicals and cleaning them up. it is up to them to make sure their employees are trained and certified in confined spaces
along with having all the proper equipment Tyvek (hazmat suits) rubber gloves, rubber boots, respirators, safety glasses and tripod tether.
Someone dropped the ball here either the company which OSHA is going to fine the hell out of or the government for not making sure this companies employees were Hazwophr trained.
I'm assuming after all of the fines they will receive and the lawsuits from the families filed they won't be in business much longer.
@FULL BLOWN AIDS That's exactly what it is.
@@circesoul2218 People will get mad at illegals, instead of getting mad at the real problem. Greed of management.
What a nightmare. Thought they had warning signs on the outside tanks of any dangerous chemicals?
That’s tragic 🙏🏽🕊
They should have given their employees if they're going to do something like that protective gear 100 percent it should be informed of what chemicals inside the truck before climbing into it and make sure they have the right gear. The company should be sued for putting their own place in danger like that. 100%
The company should be covering both of their funeral costs seeing as it’s highly dangerous to have anyone go inside a tanker that still has active chemical in it.. it’s common sense
You never know when it’s your day to die! Always try to find happiness in each day. Hell. In each moment if you can. Sounds lame but why not give it a go.
It wasn't "their day to die"
They were killed by somebody else's negligence.
If it is "your day to die" you would be struck by lightning or a meteor or something.
@@MessOfThings That means breaking from MANSIONS and HIGH $$$ ANYTHING THEY WANT WHENEVER!!!
That'll never happen unless it's outlawed. 🤣
THE TRUCKING COMPANY WHO OWNS THE TANKER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT NOTIFYING WHAT WAS IN THE TANKER..
Trapped inside?
OSHA sets rules and regulations for confined spaces. Im going to pray for the families of this tragic accident.
Geeze, so preventable.
How the heck did two bodies end up inside the tanker??
Shameful of the truck driver and company
When a driver goes to a tank wash, they require your last bill of lading and the material safety data sheet of the chemical which last occupied that tank. Obviously, this tank wash did not. Clearly, the workers assigned the job were not properly trained and supervised. These guys are not paid very much and employees do not stick around very long at these places.
Amazing that safety organization didn’t prevent anyone from dying this horrible death yet they will make money when it should go to the family of both men.
2021 and people still haven't got the word about entering "empty" tanks?
Did the trailer have visible HAZMAT placards displayed?