Why Target Failed In Canada

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  • Target's first and only foray into international markets happened in 2013 in Canada. The retailer opened a total of 133 stores in just over a year. But the expansion didn't go as planned. By April 2015, Target withdrew from the North American neighbor and closed all locations. Poor real estate decisions, weak leadership, and major SAP systems errors contributed to the company failing in Canada. Target lost $4.1 billion in after-tax losses in just one year as a result of the fallout. The company has no plans to expand internationally anytime soon.
    Chapters:
    Ch. 1 - 1:13 Expanding internationally
    Ch. 2 - 2:44 Why it failed
    Ch. 3 - 7:56 Target international on pause
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    Why Target Failed In Canada

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  • @Sotto_
    @Sotto_ ปีที่แล้ว +2225

    Canadian here. I'll tell you why Target failed.
    Target was given a big welcome in Canada with a lot of fanfare. I've shopped Target in America and I was looking forward to it.
    They took over Canada's Zeller's stores, so they had pre-existing markets with customers ready and eager to spend.
    Why they failed was because the stores were stocked with garbage.
    We walked in, looked around, and walked out. What items that were available you could buy at the dollar discount stores for one tenth of the price. Shelves were bare, and after going back for several weeks, waiting for things to improve, we gave up.
    We got the feeling Target was shipping all of their junk north, thinking Canadians were stupid enough to buy anything.
    Wrong.
    Canadians are savvy consumers and expect value for their money. With Target replacing Zellers, Canadians expected mid/high quality goods for fair prices. That was not what Target offered.
    Once word came Target was closing, except for the thousands that lost their jobs, Canadians were glad to show them the door.
    No worries for Target though, as they probably got a great tax write off for the failure.

    • @lakorai2
      @lakorai2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Treadeaus taxes make products in Canada very unaffordable

    • @ricmacas
      @ricmacas ปีที่แล้ว +315

      @@lakorai2 the above commenter clearly states target was not competitive compared to other businesses in Canada paying the same taxes; surely if other businesses can perform better pricing in the same market then Target had no excuse

    • @LaTerreurDuRang10
      @LaTerreurDuRang10 ปีที่แล้ว +342

      @@lakorai2 2011- end of 2014 was Harper era...

    • @treychrs
      @treychrs ปีที่แล้ว +91

      I miss Zellers so much.

    • @northlander4370
      @northlander4370 ปีที่แล้ว +263

      @@lakorai2 trudeau hasnt always been in office ...he wasnt in office when target came north and then left , so that blows your opinion out the window

  • @joannadawnadventures6936
    @joannadawnadventures6936 ปีที่แล้ว +719

    As a Canadian, my opinion the reason Taget failed in Canada was because Canadian walked into those stores expecting to see products and Brands we found when we were in the US stores but instead we walked in the stores seeing the Exact same thing we already had in our store, specifically Walmart.

    • @ryans413
      @ryans413 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      With Walmart having cheaper prices

    • @noncomplier5385
      @noncomplier5385 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Pretty much.

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No I wouldn't want to see American brands on products

    • @noncomplier5385
      @noncomplier5385 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@johnr797 American products tend to be better than Canadian products.

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@noncomplier5385 like what?

  • @SinisterSlay1
    @SinisterSlay1 ปีที่แล้ว +719

    As usual this misses one important factor.
    After you went to target once, you noticed the item prices seemed high. So you would google it, find the Walmart listing, which was usually the store next door, and find the exact same item cheaper.
    After that, Target became an expensive place to buy cheap stuff, when literally every other store sold the same thing but at a lower price.
    This got worse when people learned target's price for the same item in the states was cheaper even after including exchange rates. I believe W5 even did a report on how retailers (with an accidental focus on target) were purposely marking up Canadian prices with the idea that the market would take it anyways. And Walmart took over everything.
    Like many companies, target came in thinking Canadians are just a bunch of Americans with more money. By the time the truth was learned, it was too late.

    • @powerbottomboi5255
      @powerbottomboi5255 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yep. There is a reason Walmart has nearly 12x the amount of stores. Some people will pay for a "premium" experience, but most realize they spend a-lot of extra money each year only to be in these stores once or twice a week, or not at all now that many people use pickup. If you aren't going in the store, how it looks doesn't matter much to you.

    • @socalstr
      @socalstr ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Nobody thinks Canadians have more money than Americans…

    • @SpaceOutlaw_
      @SpaceOutlaw_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Poor ignorance on targets part. Kinda surprised actually. In america target is mainly for the upper middle class and above. Or a convenience option as it usually has small lines, not as big, and nicer aesthetic. Of course in comparison to more economical options aka Walmart. (wallmart is starting to improve on this tho).

    • @SinisterSlay1
      @SinisterSlay1 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@socalstr I've been involved with American companies before. Like Arctic cat who's president straight up told me that they charge Canadians more because they have more money and the market will bear it.
      Then the fools went out of business pretty much.
      So no, they do think Canadians have more money.

    • @harry12
      @harry12 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      "target came in thinking Canadians are just a bunch of Americans with more money" this

  • @Alpha17x
    @Alpha17x ปีที่แล้ว +364

    As a Canadian who went to a target in the us and in Canada. We got none of the deals and they refused to stock what we wanted. They made no effort to compete with anyone else. So we just kept going to Walmart.
    Target rode in with the middle finger or demanding that we just give them money when the same thing was available down the street for a lower price.
    Also the American staff training the Canadians often came across as being very abrasive.

    • @pamelaliegh
      @pamelaliegh ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well said 👏

    • @ursulasmith6402
      @ursulasmith6402 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      United States of of Rudeness

    • @pamelaliegh
      @pamelaliegh ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Americans are a lot more aggressive than we are. It’s unsettling when that comes into town.

    • @jonleibow3604
      @jonleibow3604 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I was turned off of Target before they even opened when one of the execs said they were going to price "according to the market," ie. they were going to charge more than in the US because they could

    • @morallyambiguousnet
      @morallyambiguousnet ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Everyone I know was expecting a shopping experience much like what Target is in the United States; essentially a somewhat more upscale Walmart. What we got, instead, was a gutted Zellers experience. After walking into a Canadian Target for the first time it felt to me like the product was the worst of what I could find in a Canadian Walmart with less stock, and less selection. At first I thought that it was simply because they were still getting there stock in, however, it never improved and I stopped even bothering to go into the stores. It just started to feel like the upper management of Target Canada thought we were idiots, who would buy almost literally anything.

  • @arjinlally1357
    @arjinlally1357 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    As a Canadian, one of the other biggest flaws that I would say was the selection of items. Whenever we cross the border into the United States and go to Target, it's because they have alot of stuff that none of the stores in Canada sell not to mention the much lower prices. The items prices and sizes of products are actually quite different when you compare Canadian products to American ones and Target didnt seem to bring any of the products or low prices to Canada and what they essentially had was a low quality copy cat of a Walmart.

    • @lorenabort9717
      @lorenabort9717 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes!

    • @JPTech933
      @JPTech933 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Great point, exactly the comment I made. A US retailer with access to all sorts of interesting products should have brought them to Canada.. ie. BBQ sauce made in Texas.

    • @newtron1
      @newtron1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Selection for sure was one of the issues. An example was Christmas decorations with an American theme. Silly.

    • @GH-jh7dz
      @GH-jh7dz ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Canada can't just bring in American products, they need to use Canadian Suppliers and all packaging must be fully labelled in French and English. Many American brands also do noy have a presence in Canada and cannot be imported up here, the duties etc make it a money losing venture. As for Target house brands like Threshold, NateBerkus they were all available at the Canadian stores with bilingual labels and packaging. Canada has 10% population of the USA and Canada in general cannot offer the cheap prices that the USA can. This applies to all US brands operating in Canada.

    • @funnygaming2672
      @funnygaming2672 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GH-jh7dz you could but you don't want to conform to our laws! just like Walmart though they could pay Canadian at 4-6$ the hour!Oh boy Walmart had a surprise and did not get away with it !

  • @Braubeaton
    @Braubeaton ปีที่แล้ว +335

    A big part of the downfall in Canada was the Zellers takeover. In my city Zellers was very popular meaning Target had large shoes to fill. I can recall being very underwhelmed at my first visit and some lady laughing loudly for all to hear "I want my Zellers back!" From our local perspective, Target bought our beloved Zellers, gutted it and then left town. After Sears Canada collapsed it has left us in a huge hole with only ONE true dept store to cross shop at: Walmart. Yeah, still feelin' it.

    • @Liberal_From_Prairies689
      @Liberal_From_Prairies689 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      We have Loblaws and it’s various stores like superstore, no frills, etc. in some cases, noticing cheaper to shop at than Walmart.

    • @Leftatalbuquerque
      @Leftatalbuquerque ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Zellers sold shoes that I could wear for a season or two at least. Walmart sells shoes you can barely wear for 6 weeks before they kak out.

    • @harry12
      @harry12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Liberal_From_Prairies689 but no amex accepted...

    • @Vac700R
      @Vac700R ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Leftatalbuquerque People joked on Zellers products, but their shoes also served me well. I also bought their jeans there, brands which are still recognizable today. There's no similar big department store for many household items like Zellers now, except for Walmart.

    • @sharongraham992
      @sharongraham992 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If Zellers had embraced online shopping and renovated their stories, they could have stayed in business and become very profitable.

  • @elizabethmillard6191
    @elizabethmillard6191 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Note: I loved Zellers. Not all shiny like the Target store but a comfy place to shop with reasonable quality products. I miss those stores.

  • @rb239rtr
    @rb239rtr ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Target advertised a Remembrance Day sale in Canada (Veteran's day in USA). This went over like a lead balloon. Remembrance day in Canada is a somber day, the backlash against Target was severe, and they apologised for the sale.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Seriously huh, did not have any Canadians on their marketing team?

    • @johnnycheung5536
      @johnnycheung5536 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I remembered being *very* offended at the gall of some companies using September 11, 2001 to market their products. Target doing a sale on Remembrance Day... Christ, that's a literal textbook example of TONE DEAF.

    • @windydelta7105
      @windydelta7105 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@johnnycheung5536 bruh companies have done Sept 11th sales? American companies?! Oh my god that's horrific and amazing. But yeah commercializing Remembrance Day is something else.

    • @MustacheDLuffy
      @MustacheDLuffy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting. Veterans Day sales are common. While they’re meant to be made to remember fallen soldiers I don’t think many care too much about the holiday in the states so they likely assumed this was the same deal.

    • @MustacheDLuffy
      @MustacheDLuffy ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@windydelta7105 I don’t think American companies. 9/11 sale doesn’t ring any bells

  • @elstepeeno23
    @elstepeeno23 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    As a former worker during those times working at a supply chain that handles product for Target in Canada, I can confirm that it was indeed a mess. What was even more embarrassing was the fact that the labels we were putting on the outer box (that was used to locate items in the warehouse) were displayed in store. Target should’ve focused on a handful of stores and test the market instead of rushing everything nationwide..

    • @AsianSignGuyCena
      @AsianSignGuyCena ปีที่แล้ว

      yup i noticed all that too and i was working in the mobile section of one of the targets.

    • @therealdibabe
      @therealdibabe ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They should not have tried to enter the Quebec market, either. They did not know the translation rules and their shopping habits. #toomuchtoosoon

    • @theevilascotcompany9255
      @theevilascotcompany9255 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Costco in Canada was a slow rollout, with some of their first stores in places in Canada most Canadians never heard of. And they grew it into a success.

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@theevilascotcompany9255 love costco. Worth it for the gas prices alone.

    • @Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
      @Dwightstjohn-fo8ki ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theevilascotcompany9255 I remember when Costco had a grand total of two stores in Burnaby and Richmond, BC and were almost unknown in the eighties.

  • @iloveyouamberappel
    @iloveyouamberappel ปีที่แล้ว +35

    As a Canadian the issues I noticed:
    -Canadians expected a rival to Walmart and hoped this translated to lower prices. This didn't happen. Target's prices were higher than Walmart.
    -Target did not have brand loyalty in Canada. Without at least starting with lower prices, many Canadians went once and not again.
    -Target had problems keeping shelves full. The consumers that did shop at Target soon found empty shelves.
    -Products Target did carry were not different from anyone else. Again without establishing brand loyalty. There was no reason to shop at Target when Walmart was cheaper

    • @zakyum
      @zakyum ปีที่แล้ว

      Target is slightly higher in price than Walmart in USA too. Stores are cleaner and less packed with people so sometimes a slightly higher price is worth it

    • @iloveyouamberappel
      @iloveyouamberappel ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zakyum Walmart stores in Canada are quite clean IMO. Target could have kept the same model but again they didn't build up brand loyalty. There was no reason to go to a slightly cleaner store with empty shelves.

  • @dknight9456
    @dknight9456 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    They didn't hire Canadians to run the operation, and American executives didn't understand Canadian idiosyncrasies. It was sheer ignorance and arrogance on the part of Target. The market was theirs for the taking. Like many others, I was excitedly anticipating the opening of their stores, and could not believe the bare shelves and unexpectedly high prices. I never returned.

    • @coldlakealta4043
      @coldlakealta4043 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      it wasn't just that their executives didn't understand our idiosyncrasies, it was that they didn't care to put in the effort

    • @Lizwindsor
      @Lizwindsor ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are 100% correct.

    • @jankay8569
      @jankay8569 ปีที่แล้ว

      canadians are not idiots y u call canadian idiot?

    • @Lizwindsor
      @Lizwindsor ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jankay8569 no one is calling Canadian idiots.

    • @mysticgirl916
      @mysticgirl916 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I worked at a Zellers location in Mississauga for 18 months and we (myself and my fellow employees) were promised priority selection of employment when it came to the turnover to Target. However, all of us were forced to re-apply, and the Target location I applied to (which was the Zellers location I had worked at) only lasted about 6 months before it closed. It's now a Walmart and doing very well

  • @KamiInValhalla
    @KamiInValhalla ปีที่แล้ว +396

    Sounds like the issue was they were so focused on opening 124 stores instead of maybe 20-30 as a stepping stone

    • @Bat_Boy
      @Bat_Boy ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Exactly! Instead of toe testing the waters, they went full cannonball. 💦

    • @michaelrmurphy2734
      @michaelrmurphy2734 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Not even that many. Try five or six in the big cities and see how it goes.

    • @richard3921
      @richard3921 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah I agree, they opened too many, too fast, lack of products and more expensive than US stores contributed to the problem as well.

    • @brucehicks5817
      @brucehicks5817 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They tried to jump into a new market without making the commitment to learning the market first.

    • @realtalk6195
      @realtalk6195 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@michaelrmurphy2734 Economies of Scale is also a thing. Starting 5 locations instead of 20, can be equally or more expensive than running the 20 locations. You need bigger purchase orders to bring costs down, especially if you want to be competitive. Just make sure you're not opening too many locations than you can handle, which is where Target screwed up.

  • @ChristineLotus
    @ChristineLotus ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I clearly remember the first thought I had when I walked around Target “Do they think us Canadians are idiots?” The products were really cheap and the prices were really high. I went once and never went back

    • @azaz911c
      @azaz911c ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Christine Brunet, your comment is so "on Target", pun intended. Vous avez raison.

    • @rdl8878
      @rdl8878 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not at my Target. Brand name merchandise and great prices.

    • @techwiz81
      @techwiz81 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They did think we were idiots. I read an interview where en executive all but said Canadians are rubes

    • @andrewmehdizadeh7663
      @andrewmehdizadeh7663 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s no different in America. The products are never anything special.

  • @Falconlibrary
    @Falconlibrary ปีที่แล้ว +273

    When I was living in Palm Springs, we had a lot of Canadian snowbirds come down to escape the winter. They were delighted with the local Target and said that the Canadian Target stores were horrible--one lady asked "Why can't we have stores like this?" Whoever was in charge of the Canadian expansion really screwed up.

    • @tucumcari206
      @tucumcari206 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      “Escape winter”

    • @realtalk6195
      @realtalk6195 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Instead of 124 locations, they should have opened 24 locations, and gradually scaled up. They did too much too soon, and screwed up everything.

    • @lindafader9618
      @lindafader9618 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      because they made backdoor deals with vendors to put money directly into the svp's pocket

    • @asadb1990
      @asadb1990 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@realtalk6195 they just replaced all the zellers with targets. the staff was mostly the same in store. zeller was barely hanging on as a retail store thinking it could compete with walmart. it was more expensive and had less variety. target in the usa is a different beast.

    • @Booz2020
      @Booz2020 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      7 Eleven Stores : hold our Ramen 🍜🍛 please

  • @w.a.l5202
    @w.a.l5202 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Nova Scotian here. One of the reasons Target failed in Canada: our geography. Canada is a massive country that by any standard is sparsely populated. We are only 38,000,000 in the second largest country in the world. California has more people than all of Canada. Instead of focusing on larger urban areas like Montreal, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver, they opened stores literally everywhere. Our consumer preferences in Canada are basically a carbon copy of the United States. Let's be honest, we are very similar people. In Nova Scotia we have just over a million people. They opened 3 stores here immediately, 2 of which were in Halifax with a population of only 500,000. One of their stores was in the Sydney area with a population of less than 100,000 with 3 existing Wal-Mart stores. I went to Target a lot locally. By comparison, Halifax has 5 Wal-Mart stores, one for about every 100,000 people. The Target stores were either half empty, or bare. They had zero distribution network as they were trying to fill way too many stores. They should have focused on the big markets first, and let it grow organically. People were turned off with the quality and availability of products. There was definitely an opportunity for a mid-level department store in Canada, and Target fit the bill. They simply tried to expand too quickly and didn't realize just how damn big Canada is.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I agree, I think this is the issue - Target should have launched in the major cities, then selectively moved into smaller regions of Canada. Walmart was already entrenched in these smaller markets and went all out with a price war against Target.

    • @rcud1
      @rcud1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My US town has about 75k people and another 20k that probably come in to shop occasionally at least and we have 2 Walmarts that are both always busy and one Target that is not nearly as busy.

  • @redheads604
    @redheads604 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Target failed in Canada because they had none of the deals they had in the US. They were also over ambitious by taking over Zeller's leases and opening many stores at once, which led to logistical problems.

    • @Satoshi9801
      @Satoshi9801 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "Why didn't they open a few test stores?" Is my biggest question for them.

    • @triggeredcat120
      @triggeredcat120 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because of our sparse population to land size, things cost more. I hate they left Canada. I liked them more than Zellers and Walmart.

    • @nogreatreset8506
      @nogreatreset8506 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@triggeredcat120 cost of things in Canada can be lower or higher than America depending on what. Even if target had better deals Canada already has retailers to fulfil Canadians needs and that Canada has a small population compared to the United States which means you don't need nearly as much retail stores and retailers as America.

  • @cgasucks
    @cgasucks ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Target didn't do their homework a dived in head first without seeing how deep the water is. This resulted in logistical nightmares causing shelves to be chronically empty (and this happened before the pandemic which is pretty sad). Walmart on the other hand took their time and started slow by acquiring Kmart Canada & Woolco for starters and grew steadily over the years. Target thought they could do the same thing in months that Walmart took decades to accomplish.

    • @23ofSeptember
      @23ofSeptember ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup. I remember Penticton BC had a Woolco inside Peachtree Mall that Walmart acquired and eventually replaced with an entire new building. Sears also disappeared from that location.

    • @mightyoaks9331
      @mightyoaks9331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They used SAP as their ERP and could not get the configuration correct. That messed up all their logistics.

    • @guspaz
      @guspaz ปีที่แล้ว

      The irony is that Target sold many of their former locations to Walmart when they went bankrupt.

    • @PWingert1966
      @PWingert1966 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mightyoaks9331 Another issue is that they couldn't get SAP and their untested Israeli warehouse software to interface and talk to each other. This along with the warehouse employees gaming the system to boost their performance bonuses based on fill levels at the warehouse and deliberately holding stock and not releasing it and preventing SAP from being aware of the hidden stock made it virtually impossible to move anything out of the warehouse.

  • @stevenvallarsa1765
    @stevenvallarsa1765 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Not mentioned in this piece is that when Walmart took over the Woolco stores in Canada in 1994, the stores were kept open during the remodelling. Target, on the other hand, closed down the old Zellers stores they took over for months during a complete renovation, letting customers develop other shopping habits. Another problem was pricing. Canadians were expecting US Target prices when instead they were inflated, even with the currency exchange taken into account.

    • @annabelcooney6597
      @annabelcooney6597 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow nice …….::::😊

    • @albertawheat6832
      @albertawheat6832 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are correct Fields stores as well.

    • @i.am.hodgie
      @i.am.hodgie ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Your comment about just tacking on the currency exchange was a big misstep. Clearly no analysis to ensure competitive pricing was done. Ridiculous.

    • @annabelcooney6597
      @annabelcooney6597 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@albertawheat6832 hello

    • @ralphvelthuis2359
      @ralphvelthuis2359 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And it was mostly junk compared to the products in their American stores.

  • @HOLES69
    @HOLES69 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I used to visit my cousins in Illinois every summer and loved going to target. Years later they opened in Ontario and I was excited. I eventually got around to checking the stores out just to be majorly disappointed. It was more or less a glorified dollar store.
    The market is here if companies (like Walmart) actually care to invest in it. Sending a bunch of junk that nobody in the US wants isn't the way to go about it.

  • @paulprendergast3184
    @paulprendergast3184 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My wife and I loved Target in the USA. We moved to Canada in 2007 and were very pleased when Target announced their rollout in Canada. They just never had any amount of stock in any stores so we just stopped going. No surprise it failed.

  • @user-pu3cf9pd2m
    @user-pu3cf9pd2m ปีที่แล้ว +47

    One of the biggest reasons Target failed in BC was because people were expecting the same selection of goods found in US Target stores to be in the Target stores in the Lower Mainland.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, doesn't help that Target USA is only 1 hour across the border in Bellingham, WA...

  • @zedxyle
    @zedxyle ปีที่แล้ว +75

    In the US, Target is seen as a slightly more upscale version of Walmart. In Canada, where frankly I think Walmarts are of a higher quality than in the US, Target was simply seen as just an unnecessary duplication of Walmart.

    • @shane250
      @shane250 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah, we don't have "Walmart people" in Walmarts here in Canada.

    • @atodaso1668
      @atodaso1668 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@shane250 lol yes we do

    • @jordycalvin8272
      @jordycalvin8272 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@atodaso1668 I have yet to see one

    • @atodaso1668
      @atodaso1668 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jordycalvin8272 maybe you are one of them? lol

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thats facts.
      Walmarts are actually pretty nice here. Same with superstores.
      Target was litterally just unecessary lmfao.

  • @liamwelsh5565
    @liamwelsh5565 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    As someone who never heard of Target until it opened in Canada and finding it extremely lack luster, I was always curious why I was always seeing these videos in America about people loving the store. This video explains it, thanks!

    • @justrandomthings319
      @justrandomthings319 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lmao. How could you have never heard of Target?

    • @SchlichteToven
      @SchlichteToven ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@justrandomthings319 Because he's not American, would be my speculation.

    • @DaDaDo661
      @DaDaDo661 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@justrandomthings319 Canada is a different country, genius.

  • @JeffMathias
    @JeffMathias ปีที่แล้ว +142

    Logistics is Targets great weakness in the states too. Many times I’ve had to leave Target and go to a competitor due to empty shelves at Target.

    • @tomaxxamot2016
      @tomaxxamot2016 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lies

    • @gabrielparadis8917
      @gabrielparadis8917 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same, a target had opened in montreal, i was like a week after it opened my family came in the store for a item that was on sale, and the store was almost empty, shelves were moslty empy and the ones that did have items there was very few and the price was too expensive. The target was right next to a Super C a big supermarket chain with good prices. Not the smartest thing to do. It closed after not even half a year i believe

    • @jasonmims5057
      @jasonmims5057 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me to. I once was in a target and the produce section was empty. I walked across the street to a supermarket.

    • @alexismiller288
      @alexismiller288 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do you live in the Midwest? I've never had that issue here on the coast unless it's a hurricane.

    • @MagicalBread
      @MagicalBread ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m guessing it’s a regional issue because I’ve never seen this problem at any of my local Targets.

  • @ryandavies6243
    @ryandavies6243 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I’m a Canadian. In our city we got a target but my family didn’t go there after the buzz wore off. IMO they sold clothes which I’m not going to wear what I perceive to be Walmart level clothing. They had groceries, but Walmart had more. I didn’t understand the point of the store, seemed like a random smattering of products. I had no reason to go there as Walmart already had every product I could need.

    • @roofpizza1250
      @roofpizza1250 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      And the prices weren't competitive from what I saw.

    • @EmelyPhan
      @EmelyPhan ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There were 3 near where I live. I went to one that was within walking distance to where I live around the time it was going out of business. It looks like a red version of Walmart.

    • @dwigts4887
      @dwigts4887 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's the way I feel about target in the US but it somehow succeeds. Why pay higher prices for Walmart level stuff?

    • @lalakuma9
      @lalakuma9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      At least in US cities, the difference is more about brand perception and demographics. I saw many Target stores in the middle of downtown, but Walmart stores are usually bigger and you need to go a bit more to the suburb to find one. So Target is more like a city dweller's Walmart, plus they use these downtown stores as "warehouses" for your online orders, so they can distribute their stock to customers in the city more quickly. But I agree, Target clothes are pretty much Walmart-level quality.

    • @bayouboyentertainment2106
      @bayouboyentertainment2106 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      That's all Target is, overpriced Walmart lol.they're like a high end Kmart sell the samething as Walmart charge $5 more.

  • @JPTech933
    @JPTech933 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Excellent piece, my comment about Target Canada when I visited a local store here in Montreal, is that they were not offering anything different than any other local retailer. And the pricing was similar. I was hoping a US retailer was going to have some exclusive products on their shelves like bbq sauce from Texas, herbal supplements from California, ready frozen philly cheese steak from Philadelphia, and brands that are not available here, extra large muffins that I can only buy at Price Chopper when I go to Vermont.
    Canadians like me where looking for something special, when I shopped, I only saw the same sold in all the other stores, there was no difference!

    • @VintageTVMemories
      @VintageTVMemories ปีที่แล้ว

      Same. I'm from the Montréal area and was looking forward to the great Halloween & Christmas decoration selection I found in the U.S.. That didn`t happen. Instead, I found the same old at double the price (when there was anything on the shelves at all). I mean... they literally could have just carbon copied their U.S. store selection and it would have worked. Mais ils nous ont pris pour des valises. When they packed up, I wasn't sad. Furthermore, to add insult to injury, they had online shopping after they left but didn't offer FREE shipping. Then, they discontinued shipping to Canada altogether on their website! They just want us to hate them. So, I do. And I never want them back on Canadian soil.

  • @newdeal_99
    @newdeal_99 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    As I Canadian I can say people were mostly disappointed with the prices when compared to Walmart which had stores in basically every city that Target did but had been there already for many years. Also by taking over Zellers stores, which had a bad reputation for dirty and disorganized stores, and then opening with bare shelves made people think of Target as Zellers with a different name.

    • @loki76
      @loki76 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It definitely felt like I was walking around in a slightly more expensive "Zellers" when I visited the store in our area that used to be Zellers. Same red and white, seriously it felt like nothing but a name change and some stuff more expensive.

    • @dwarfgrumpy
      @dwarfgrumpy ปีที่แล้ว

      When I walked in I saw a red Walmart with barely anything on the shelves. I never went back.

    • @Liberal_From_Prairies689
      @Liberal_From_Prairies689 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      False! Canadians loved Zellers. Maybe the Zellers in your town wasn’t that great but it was a beloved Canadian store. So many people are glad to hear of its return coming soon.

    • @boitmecklyn4995
      @boitmecklyn4995 ปีที่แล้ว

      The first time I came to Canada Target was either already on its way out to non-existant.

    • @albertawheat6832
      @albertawheat6832 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now Walmart is gouging the people....see the trend in economics happening.?

  • @arkadandfortuna1582
    @arkadandfortuna1582 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I used to work with Canada’s largest consumer electronics distributor, we were barely able to get any product loaded into Target from what I remember. The relationships weren’t there.

    • @23ofSeptember
      @23ofSeptember ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, its all about building and establishing relationships. Gotta have 'em. Business 101. Yup

  • @shannonbrice8012
    @shannonbrice8012 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    My kitchen had a better selection of products than our Target did. Sure they had 8 stand mixers but they were the same model and just in different colors. Prices were outrageous and it really felt like we got all the American rejects. I counted down the days until our Target opened and when I went I walked out of there empty handed, it was almost like a bargain bin but at premium prices for garbage.

  • @dennislaur2515
    @dennislaur2515 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of the biggest issues that was not mentioned that added to it's inventory issues was that Targets executives thought that they could ship inventory to Canada and sell it. They didn't look into the local laws regarding packaging. I remember going into one of the local stores, an over hearing an employee telling the manager that they couldn't put up the inventory as the packaging wasn't in both English and French. There was an attempt to add stickers to fix this issue, but it ended looking sloppy and there were errors as proof reading wasn't done.

  • @Kitchguy
    @Kitchguy ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Here in Canada it was a disaster. Horrible clothing labels, ridiculous prices. I went to a couple different Tagets and walking around was like being at a funeral. No music playing, shelves looked full in some places but it was an illusion because behind the first row there was nothing. Target came here thinking Canadians would just accept thier messy inconsistent business but learned quickly. In Canada if you are not consistent, organized, professional and have the product and labels you are done.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ironically... if they opened during COVID (or now), those empty shelves would be acceptable!

    • @Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
      @Dwightstjohn-fo8ki ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think it was CBC interviewed the Head guy of Target (either the C. head or it's President in Minnesota?) and he said and I remember: "Canadians WILL BUY what WE put on the shelves" I thought this was over the top and arrogant EVEN FOR the usual suspects being KNOWN as arrogant.

  • @juliegolick
    @juliegolick ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I remember that people were super-excited about Target coming to Canada. One of my friends had even been hired as a manager at one of the stores, and he'd drunk the kool-aid DEEP on Target culture and how it would be the best thing that had happened to the Canadian retail market in years. And then it was just SO DISAPPOINTING when they actually opened.

  • @SamueListens
    @SamueListens ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I went to Target in Calgary three times.
    The first time I thought they were still getting their feet under them.
    The second time was worse.
    The third time was the 90% closing sale.

    • @shoknifeman2mikado135
      @shoknifeman2mikado135 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here, got a nice backpack for less than half price, the ONLY thing I ever bought at Target

  • @MrAnonymousRandom
    @MrAnonymousRandom ปีที่แล้ว +172

    Target is yet another example of the American company failing to do their homework when attempting to set up shop in Canada or messing up an acquired Canadian company. Doing business in Canada isn't that easy.

    • @Davethreshold
      @Davethreshold ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hubris!

    • @Booz2020
      @Booz2020 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But Walmart Thriving in CANADA 🤔

    • @Slam-
      @Slam- ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@Booz2020 they have been here for over 25 years and they didn’t start with over 100 stores!

    • @quantummotion
      @quantummotion ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Booz2020 Right, because Walmart did not explode across Canada. They grew slowly, figured out how to deal with the particulars of the Canadian market. Secondly, Walmart has the better control over inventory and their systems (probably bested only by Amazon). Third, ANY US retailer that makes Canada its first foreign market - the backoffice needs to know how to deal with multiple currency and report in multiple currency. Target was totally naive to the planning and thinking one needs to do when reporting and paying taxes in multi-currency. Walmart already had multi-currency savvy and thus knew how to report on the back end much better.

    • @jtomtl
      @jtomtl ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cuz target has nothing good to sell, Walmart is cheaper and more item to choose from

  • @jumpmanbig
    @jumpmanbig ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Something that shouldn't be ignored also is that fact that, although they said they wanted to focus on the physical stores instead of online retail, they simply disregarded their website pretty much entirely. I used the Wal-Mart website all the time just to see if a certain product was being sold by Walmart and if they had any in stock. When I tried to go on Target Canada's website to do the same, I realized it was just a PDF image or their weekly discount flyer... No way to know if they would sell whatever I was looking for or to know if they had it in stock. So I had to go to the store in person to see if they sold what I was looking for and that's when I saw how empty it was. That was the first and last time I went there, they closed not long after.

    • @cindydavis1443
      @cindydavis1443 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I remember going to the website to see their price on graphing calculators. I couldn't even SEARCH the website to see if they carried calculators. Who in their right mind thinks that is acceptable for a national chain? US Target website was a vastly different experience.

    • @VintageTVMemories
      @VintageTVMemories ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. How does a company ignore the most important aspect in today's technological world? Even Walmart's website is horrible by today's standards. But at least they have one.

    • @rgl168
      @rgl168 ปีที่แล้ว

      Walmart Canada was only started building out their e-commence function after Target's arrival. Target was crazy not to build out e-commerce from the get go. I think it has to do with starting out with a completely new system (SAP) which takes time for staff to understand its data and the analytics. By the time things started to turn around, Cornell decided to pull the plug.

  • @lasallemom1
    @lasallemom1 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    They closed Zellers, ripped down stores and re-built them. Windsorites, travel to Detroit MI to shop at Target and seeing prices that were not good like the US and just not being Zellers was a turn off. I could go into Zellers and usually find things that were what I wanted and priced well. I just couldn't find what I wanted from Target Canada.

  • @celticlass8573
    @celticlass8573 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Canadians wanted the shopping experience they had, when crossing the border to shop in Target in the US. What they got was what was already sold at Wal-Mart, and empty shelves. There was SO MUCH enthusiasm when Canadians heard that Target was coming to Canada! I don't know what we got, but it certainly wasn't what we wanted. There was literally no reason to shop there. Target had to work hard to fail here.

  • @Kaynos
    @Kaynos ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Canadian here. I was expecting a competitor to Walmart. What we got was empty shelves and higher prices. It fails because there was NO point going to Target instead of going to Walmart.

  • @sinebar
    @sinebar ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Why didn't they just build a few stores to test the market? I mean 124 stores in a market they obviously didn't research very well? Dam!😳 I live in Toronto and though I was born in the US the culture here is not exactly the same.

    • @TehxHope
      @TehxHope ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What would be some cultural differences you have in mind?

    • @RetroWinnipeg
      @RetroWinnipeg ปีที่แล้ว

      They took over Zellers leases. It was one big swoop. (Technically, Walmart did the same thing with Woolco stores in Canada back in 1994)

    • @Dwightchang443
      @Dwightchang443 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      arrogance

    • @Sotto_
      @Sotto_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Geez, they didn't even need to do that! With them replacing Zellers, everything was already there, from tills, to racks, to shelving to warehouses. They just had to pick up the keys, move in and set it up.

    • @Arkiasis
      @Arkiasis ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@TehxHope Class. In the US Target is seen as the clean middle class hypermarket brand. People shop at Target to not have to see the "people of Walmart". In Canada no such reputation exists. Canada doesn't have the insane wealth gaps that the US has to facilitate the association of Walmart with the poor classes.
      Also culturally Canadians are polite, but not sociable like Americans. The whole American way of being overtly friendly is seen as abrasive and kind of intrusive when people just want to shop in peace.

  • @RetroWinnipeg
    @RetroWinnipeg ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Don't forget Loblaw and Canadian Tire.
    But honestly, did you think these retailers were going to stand back while Target entered Canada? Heck no! Walmart aggressively added stores all over the country (even building one in my district a block away an existing Target store; opening literally weeks after Target shut down).
    Also, these established retailers fought back with enhanced digital offerings and loyalty programs to entice shoppers, and boy did it work! You could thank Target for giving power to the consumer.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Canadian Tire is always gonna be great store.
      Target was honestly mid

    • @hmacklemore2226
      @hmacklemore2226 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@honkhonk8009 Canadian Tire is extremely mid... boomer central

    • @evieshore3270
      @evieshore3270 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hmacklemore2226 without a boomer, you wouldn't be here .

    • @gedias1
      @gedias1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Canadian Tire was super aggressive when Target made their announcement. They ramped up their housewares selection and completely upgraded the department with new fixtures.

  • @martydmc12
    @martydmc12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another reason it failed… WALMART. Canada used to have a vast array of department stores, Kmart, Eaton’s, Woodward’s, Sears, Zellers, Army and Navy, Consumers Distributing, Woolco. While some of these are U.S. companies that also went out of business (Kmart, Sears) I’d say one of the biggest problems the big department stores across North America is how Walmart has taken over everything. And people seem to be fine with it, which really sucks.

    • @ej3016
      @ej3016 ปีที่แล้ว

      I miss Sears, Zellers and the Army Navy store - grew up grumbling when I went shopping with my family at Kmart Zellers and Woolco but if I close my eyes I can still walk my way around each of our neighbourhood stores (and I’m in my early sixties 🤣😂) and remember what was best bought at which store - did I mention that I miss Sears and Zellers 🤔

  • @DMackdaddy1
    @DMackdaddy1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    REAL REASON: Walmart period…..Walmart is viewed DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT in Canada then in the US. In the US middle class people don’t dare go to Walmart. When we visited our cousin in the US and said we wanted to go to Walmart, she said, “We don’t go to Walmart!” In Canada, everybody goes to Walmart, from rich to low income. That’s why we have Walmarts right in the middle of our rich neighborhoods also.
    Walmart had a 20 year head start in Canada (no Target), which allowed them to get a massive foothold in Canada and to create a “Canadian” perception of Walmart.
    So knowing all this….why would ANY Canadian consumer go to Target when the prices were A LOT more than Walmart?!?

  • @larrybrown8560
    @larrybrown8560 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's simple, target offered budget products at a premium price. They took over Zellers, the budget chain from the Bay Stores and introduced prices much higher that Zellers. Zellers was failing due to high prices and could not compete with Walmart. When Target was introduced to Canada as a better Walmart, but it was way more expensive for similar products Canadians were not impressed.

  • @A_Canadian_In_Poland
    @A_Canadian_In_Poland ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I remember Target originally only planning 40 stores, in the most primely-located Zellers locations (mostly free-standing stores and those few locations in the top-tier shopping malls), with another 40 Zellers being bought by Wal-Mart and the rest planning to continue operating as Zellers. A somewhat last-minute decision expanded the number of openings to 133 with only enough merchandise to stock 40 stores. Had they have started with just the 40 stores and then added very slowly, they might have been able to adapt to the market.

    • @AlphineWolf
      @AlphineWolf ปีที่แล้ว

      They basically were told btw Walmart wants too! And they paid through the nose. Plus Loblaws had just bought Holts so the bAy needed money to buy Saks 5th Avenue to compete because they didn't think a grocery store chain could handle a luxury department store. Both parties gambled and lost. Loblaws just Imported a family member from the UK who was involved with Selfridges department store. So they had experience and the connections as the involved member was a buyer for the UK department store. Basically the Bay and Target should have stuck with their original plan.

  • @351528
    @351528 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a Canadian who has had the American Target experience, I was so excited when I heard that Target was coming up here. Unfortunately it was a major disappointment. The store I went to had a lack variety and selection and the goods just didn't have that "discount chic" aesthetic that Target is know for. What a missed opportunity. 😕

  • @kosys5338
    @kosys5338 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I had the exact same reaction as many other comments. I walked in had a quick look around and I mean a quick look, then walked straight out. To say I was less then impressed would be an understatement. To me Target was depending solely on their name sake and hoping that was enough for the Canadian consumer and that was a fatal mistake for Target in Canada. I can assure you that Target is not missed here in Canada.

  • @eraldway
    @eraldway ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:35 by no mean was Canadian retailer Zellers a failure. Up until Zellers started liquidation, we were setting sales records Canada wide. Zellers closed because it’s parents company HBC didn’t want to be associated with a “discount” store anymore. Zellers was an icon in Canada and even right now it’s struggling parent company HBC is still trying to profit from the Zellers brand. Targets mistake was purchasing the leases from HBC. Instead they should have purchased the zellers brand as a whole. Along it’s main distribution centres.

    • @GolfFanaticEstR
      @GolfFanaticEstR 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HBC has now brought Zellers back from the dead as a section in the Bay and online as well. Possibly in the future, full stores might reopen as well. Clearly, inflation changed their minds on being associated with a discount store.

  • @CaptHollister
    @CaptHollister ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Choosing to go with SAP software to run its stores was the first and biggest error Target made. SAP is popular, but notoriously finicky and unforgiving to set up. Target was not familiar with SAP, but still chose to go it without acquiring the necessary expertise. The 2nd mistake was forcing themselves to go live even though SAP wasn't ready and people were not trained properly. They entered all their product data without validating it, the sheer stupidity of this would make any IT professional cry. The result was all the internal supply chain issues described: basically you had an inventory management system that did not recognize the product codes being ordered by stores to replenish their shelves. Result: warehouses were overflowing to the point of having to rent extra space while store shelves were empty.

  • @LaurelGreen
    @LaurelGreen ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember at the time they were having a big collaboration with Isaac Mizrahi and the advertisements were all over American TV, but NONE of the Isaac Mizrahi products were available in Canada. It's weird how many of their inhouse brands weren't available in Canada.

    • @VintageTVMemories
      @VintageTVMemories ปีที่แล้ว

      I find this to be a common thread through American stores that do business in Canada. Michael's, Walmart, (formerly) Sears, (formerly) Toys R Us, Disney Store, etc. The amazing things we find in the US just aren't offered in our store versions. But we see the advertising (online, on TV, etc.). It's like they're trying to tease us or something. But all it does is make us angry and resentful.

  • @lalakuma9
    @lalakuma9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    At first I was anticipating that they failed in Canada because there's a significant cultural difference in the Canadian market. But it just sounds like Target tried to move in too fast and half-assed their operations. They basically shot themselves in the foot.

    • @jordycalvin8272
      @jordycalvin8272 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the main reason was price, we had a target open in a popular mall in my city and it was literally just expensive Walmart.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The cultural difference aint even much lmfao. the difference is like the difference between california, NY, and Texas.
      Honestly its just USELESS though. They tried to be a shittier version of Zellers.

    • @fromhgwaii
      @fromhgwaii ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be honest they wrecked the whole idea of the consistency one expects from a chain retailer.
      The name/branding alone is nothing if you cannot offer a predictable and consistent product and service between locations - border or no border. Before opening any one store they should have made sure it was supplied identically to an average US Target.
      Old Navy gets it, 7-11 gets it… that’s why chains/brands succeed… consistency.

  • @abalister6661
    @abalister6661 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remember going to Target for the first time when it opened in Montreal. I disliked it right away. The agressive red colors were driving everyone crazy. It looked worse than Zellers did. It was Zellers on steroids. It was a weird experience. And it was expensive.

  • @crisc1107
    @crisc1107 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    All I remember Target Canada were not selling the same stuffs as American Target, their products were cheap and higher prices than many other places, and there were not many options to choose, very limited stuffs to buy.

  • @honeybdream
    @honeybdream ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember the Canadian Targets always made pricing mistakes‼️So I got so many deep discounts & freebies.
    The USA Targets are such a fun vibe! 🎉

  • @lacavernedesloups
    @lacavernedesloups ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is a Target Canada ghost store 2 blocks from me. The location is really convenient for our area but it’s not a shopping destination and that is part of the reason many Zellers failed in the first place. In addition to supply chain issues and empty shelves there are things I love at Target in the US that did not make it across the border. Most of the cute affordable home decor was not available, same for many of the Target clothing “brands”. They had so much insight about the market using their online presence to know what Canadians were ordering and looking at on their American site even if they didn’t want to have an e-commerce channel immediately. Really poor strategy and even worse execution.

  • @matthewgerwing6520
    @matthewgerwing6520 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Former Target Canada employee; I was being trained with a gentleman who had an extensive background in logistics and warehouse distribution; he took one look at the way Target was implementing its warehouse to store supply chain and went straight to the GM; he was adamant that this system would cause more nightmares then it was worth. He walked away halfway through training.

    • @rgl168
      @rgl168 ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesn't help when they start off with SAP, which is a big monster system and needs time and effort to understand how to work it. It takes years to become comfortable in SAP and they tried to launch it in a few months. In our workplace it took more than 2 years to migrate the HR function from the previous system into SAP - and that's just HR.

  • @DorianPaige00
    @DorianPaige00 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    There's one fundamental in retail: You can't sell the man empty shelves, and the man is buying!
    They needed to expand slower and have broad leadership who understands logistics over merchandizing. You need a few people to decide what to carry and sign contracts with manufacturers. You need many to utilize proper operations of inventory control.

  • @hughjass1044
    @hughjass1044 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a Canadian, I was disappointed that Target failed. Not that I have any great love for Target but some good, honest competition for Wal Malt would have been nice.

  • @lightlantern
    @lightlantern ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As a Canadian I was bored going into one I had such high expectations, also I was angry losing Zellers a store I grew up loving so there was some animosity!!

    • @xminusone1
      @xminusone1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We want our zellers back!!!

    • @lightlantern
      @lightlantern ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xminusone1 ❤️

  • @Actionronnie
    @Actionronnie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The funny thing is that Zellers is trying to make a slow comeback.
    Pop up stores in HBC stores, and trying the online presence first. Then hopefully opening brick and mortar stores in the coming years, if all goes well.
    Bring back Zeddy 😁

  • @LoneHowler
    @LoneHowler ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Target's problem is they forgot Canadians travel. We shop at Target when we go to the States. We wanted the same quality and products when it came here. We got a cheap knock off

  • @jomac841
    @jomac841 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I won’t lie. As a former Zellers employee I was beyond angry to have lost my job for essentially no reason. The few times I went into Target I walked out empty handed.

  • @guymontag2948
    @guymontag2948 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That was my experience with Target in Canada, the one time I went. I was really perplexed, at the time, as to why Americans love Target so much, but it makes sense now.

  • @jamesfriesen191
    @jamesfriesen191 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wal-Mart used the exact same strategy when they came to Canada in 1994, and their store leases in a lot of cases were in rundown locations or in shopping malls. I won't speak for all cities, but Target got prime locations in Edmonton and Calgary when they opened, including the two busiest malls in the city, as well as a solid footprint across the capital region.
    As a non-border shopper, I knew about Target, but wasn't expecting the same low prices as they have in the USA, because I knew shipping, duties, taxes, etc. are different here. I think where they failed was in using a Canadian company to handle logistics instead of setting up their own, which meant their stores carried mostly the same products as their competitors, and it wasn't always cheaper than those competitors
    I found Target to be okay, but not spectacular, but had hoped they would stick it out and stay in Canada.

  • @msmoniz
    @msmoniz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Canadian who lives a half hour from the Buffalo NY border, I had shopped at Target in the U.S. and was expecting a similar setup here in Canada. What they gave us was dramatically less and crappier selection, at WalMart quality OR WORSE that cost more. We could cross the border for a day of shopping, find better items at the Buffalo Target, and even after paying any duty, be less ripped off than shopping at a Canadian Target. Target thought Canadians were suckers. We clearly showed them we are not, and it cost them dearly!

    • @nancymilawski1048
      @nancymilawski1048 ปีที่แล้ว

      And several million Canadians live close to the border and can shop in US target.

    • @msmoniz
      @msmoniz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nancymilawski1048 Same goes for Walmart yet they were successful up here in Canada. Target screwed up and misjudged, Canadian, shoppers,full stop.

  • @kibaanazuka332
    @kibaanazuka332 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Had they just done test stores of 10 or so stores in major Canadian Metros (Toronto, Ottawa/Gatineau, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver, etc.) They would of fared better and have ironed out the kinks of logistics and store format to cater it to Canadians

  • @moony2703
    @moony2703 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Was looking forward to the comments after a ‘Why Starbucks failed in Australia’ video awhile back since as an Aussie I utterly loved the national pride in those comments and the comments from the locals on this video did not disappoint!!
    The video was also a great explainer but the comments are what make these types of videos, both working together to show such awesome national pride and culture differences which are great to see. Keep the videos coming.

  • @hmacklemore2226
    @hmacklemore2226 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Canadian here. Biggest fail of Target was lack of its own store labels in Canada. That's all I buy when I go to Target!!

  • @seanbelfry1459
    @seanbelfry1459 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The biggest problem Was too much too fast. Even when Walmart came into Canada in the 90’s they started small, in one province and grew from there.

  • @2qrcsj8794
    @2qrcsj8794 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lot's of line up and excitement, then people found out everything was expensive (unlike the US stores), they deserted Target.
    Target think Canadian are rich shoppers, but the reality is the reverse 😭😭. Unfortunately Target never blame themselves for using worng marketing strategy, but blame everything else.
    Walmart, Costco, Canadian Tire were all successful, Target could never understand the reason for that 😰

  • @joeg3698
    @joeg3698 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Most shoppers in Canada expected Target Canada to be an extension of Target US and to be competitive with Wallmart and as an alternative source for well priced products.
    For some unknown reason Target Canada's marketing heads decided not to compete with Wallmart and instead followed
    a Target branding model with prices higher than Wallmart for similar merchandise. Canadian shoppers didn't buy into their marketing ploys
    and instead flocked back to Wallmart stores in droves. The fact that new inventory control Target systems failed resulting in lack of merchandise
    on the shelves only exasperated the situation that already existed.

    • @ryans413
      @ryans413 ปีที่แล้ว

      I prefer Walmart I wouldn’t buy a tv or get my oil change there but you can find some good deals on shirts and pants and shoes there and they always have deals on the food and they are the only store that will still dedicate some space to display movies and video games and still have bins of the cheap deals on movies and games. Idk I’ve always shopped at Walmart for the deals and would go to Best Buy or Visions if I’m buying something premium like a tv

  • @fulltimecertifiedprofessio8082
    @fulltimecertifiedprofessio8082 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video. I remember bring a kid in Edmonton when target was around, it just felt like a smaller and more posh Walmart. It was completely alien to me but it was pretty fun to walk around. The store gave me fun memories. Eventually around late 2014, the target in my mall started to close down, so the isles where sadly getting cleared out. It was kind of melancholic, there weren't many people anymore and the place was mostly empty of inventory. I still came in to play the smash 4 kiosk. I remember 1 day, I left to go home, and never went back since. Kinda sad they closed, it was a nice store

  • @davidbutton3500
    @davidbutton3500 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By the time Target was here, Sears was not competition. Canadians were also tired of the poor experience that Walmart was/is now providing Canadians, after stealing most of the market.
    The stores were nice, but usually empty. It was so bad, that xmas decor would show up in the spring. And camping equipment showing up in the winter. Customers will not continue to visit, if they don't have anything you want to buy. It is sad, Canada needs more competition in this area.

  • @RicePho
    @RicePho ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I remember Target in B.C, they barely had any good sales and it was beyond stupid for them to open over 120 stores instantly when they saw Zellers was failing.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah they barely had anything in those stores.

  • @davidbroughall3782
    @davidbroughall3782 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With Target taking over leases to Zellers stores, I ended up shopping in a mall that had both a Walmart and a Target. I did some comparison shopping and found that Target was not even trying to price match the Walmart. At that point I knew Target was dead. I never went back.

  • @elizabethmillard6191
    @elizabethmillard6191 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I went into Target in Medicine Hat after it opened. It was stocked at the time, but the problem for me was the feeling that I didn't want to be there. It felt sterile and lifeless. Stores have personalities, but the Target store had none. It was clean, orderly, staffed...but both times I went there, I walked the perimeter and left. Just didn't want to be there.

    • @thelordjamestv
      @thelordjamestv ปีที่แล้ว

      There wasn't even music playing at the one I went to in Edmonton.

  • @Nakiatakai
    @Nakiatakai ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Canadians were thinking it would either be like the ones in thr States. Especially for me who lives in a boarder town. I could fine the things in Walmart for cheaper than in Target. I can go down to the states for a day and get things cheaper than in Canada. I think I stepped into the store twice. Once for some underwear really badly and once when it was liquidating its assets at the end of its run.

  • @AsianSignGuyCena
    @AsianSignGuyCena ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i worked at one of the targets when they were in canada here in hamilton. Target was not cheap i can tell you that even with my employee discount. There was too much competition around, literally you can go down the road to like a wal mart or another store and get the same items even cheaper. Not all locations had a grocery or even a pharmacy section. In my area some days were like a ghosttown. The surrounding areas where i worked were predomaniately occupied by seniors and most of them were outraged of the prices Target had. I worked in the mobile department and because it was owned by a 3rd party company, we werent allowed to assist guests in the electronic section and the electronics employees werent allowed in our tiny section. if someone wanted even like one of our phone cases or something and we were on break, the guest was SOL until we got back and the electronic employee could really do anything

  • @gde1989
    @gde1989 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    There is Target in Australia and it's doing pretty well, however has no affiliation with Target USA

    • @realtalk6195
      @realtalk6195 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it a franchise of Target USA or a completely separate brand with the same name?

    • @thebros2866
      @thebros2866 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like they should merge

    • @Justin-Hill-1987
      @Justin-Hill-1987 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@realtalk6195 A separate brand owned by the same company as former Kmart U.S. subsidiary Kmart Australia, Wesfarmers Limited, originally owned by Coles-Myer.
      Half of their Target/Target Country stores in Australia were converted to new Kmart/K-Hub stores in 2021...

    • @shaytrueblueaussie
      @shaytrueblueaussie ปีที่แล้ว

      No affiliation is correct. Target is struggling down under though. They closed a significant amount of stores and are now still hand picking a few stores to shut down.

  • @MAB_Canada
    @MAB_Canada ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Canadian here. I think Target was so busy opening over a hundred stores that they failed to take into consideration local traffic patterns. The Target that opened in my neighbourhood made that basic mistake before it even opened. They revamped the old Zellers store and created the main entrance in the corner away from the main parking lot and foot traffic that had been used by Zellers customers. Making people walk all the way around the store to get in didn’t give a good first impression. It went downhill from there.

  • @mass-marketstudios5104
    @mass-marketstudios5104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Canadian here., When was a kid a Target Opened near my town, and I remember going to it once in a mall where it was about half of the building itself. Then just a few weeks later it was just abandoned. With only Homeless people using the carts. I felt sad because it became a decrepit part of town like big concrete eye sore.

  • @McBuggs.
    @McBuggs. ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Zellers in Canada (owned by Hudson Bay Company/HBC) closed up shop in 2013. Target took over most of those store leases after.
    Sears Canada then ends their business 5yrs later in 2018.
    Maybe the comeback of Zellers in 2023 will work out? I would definitely shop with them again if it's set up like it was before. I had no problem with their awesome deals/sales that were a big help for those living off a low income... and with that being said... Before that, Woolco (a division of Woolworth Canada) was purchased by Wal-Mart which became the big competitor when it took over in 1994 and things went downhill for most Canadian department stores after.

    • @MarcusDaGrand
      @MarcusDaGrand ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hope Zellers comes back big time. I used to shop there all the time. I really miss it. Hopefully HBC will roll it out in the coming years.

    • @shoknifeman2mikado135
      @shoknifeman2mikado135 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was never a big fan of Zellers, but, it gets stressful waiting for stuff to go on sale at Canadian Tire, before i buy it (I will NEVER go back to Wallmart)

  • @dimethedude
    @dimethedude ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just remember thinking it felt so ugly inside, too red and didn’t feel right
    The one in our city used to be a zellers
    A very much loved store that I still miss
    So there was always a hole they could never fill.

  • @jayman105
    @jayman105 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reasons why Target failed in Canada (From a Canadian perspective):
    1) Lousy selection of products. The Target stores in the USA have many, many products and things to look at/buy, while the Canadian stores only had crap that we already had here in other stores.
    2) Prices. The prices at Target's Canadian stores were way out of line, and it caused a lot of us to go to Walmart, or Canadian discount stores such as Giant Tiger.
    3) A lack of staff. In an American Target, you see staffers everywhere. In the Canadian stores, you had to hunt down a staff member, and there was no guarantee you'd actually find one.
    4) Lack of stock. Half-empty shelves were the norm here in Canada at Target. When I walked into the local Target (where I lived at the time) three weeks before Christmas and saw empty shelves, I cringed. I also saw only a handful of shoppers, most of whom ended up (like I did) at the other end of the mall shopping at Canadian Tire.
    5) Bad experience overall. I always looked forward to crossing the border and stopping at a Target in the USA, but not the ones here in Canada. After you stopped in once, you didn't want to go back. Because my local store was so close, I went twice, but never again after that.

  • @happyyoung7630
    @happyyoung7630 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very disappointed when Target didn’t remain in Canada. In our city of 100,000 they closed the Zeller’s store which offered different merchandise than Walmart and opened it with a second rate Walmart poorly stocked and managed. The Target was opened in a town of 60,O00 about 50 miles away ???? We are now left with no Target, a second rate Walmart in Zellers place and no competition or choice. The consumers were the losers and it was almost like the Target was set to fail from the start. I remember driving the 50 miles to shop at the new Target and it stunk so bad when you went in the door you could hardly stand it.

  • @mooseoperator27
    @mooseoperator27 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Also Target did not respect Canadian labour laws. When I worked for Target in the US they kept scheduling me during days and times when I had class. I can only imagine the bs Canadian employees had to put up with.
    After having to chase HR around to get them to try and fix my schedule they fired me. They sat me down and said you need to choose between college or Target.

    • @t4w1m94
      @t4w1m94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a friend who worked salary for Target in BC, Canada. He had to go to government mediation to get his overtime pay, as BC requires salaried workers be paid overtime past 40 hours per week. They definitely didn't respect Canadian labour law.

    • @mammajamma4397
      @mammajamma4397 ปีที่แล้ว

      What!!!!!!

    • @mooseoperator27
      @mooseoperator27 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mammajamma4397 ?

  • @JuliasCesar
    @JuliasCesar ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We Canadians want our god damn Zellers back. I was excited for Target but they forgot how to target their Canadian consumers. Now we have thousands of stores empty all across our country. Some have been re used others torn down.

  • @darryl2154
    @darryl2154 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another Canadian here, and although store stock was a huge problem, I think they missed another huge reason in this video. Unlike Walmart which took on the existing Woolco employees, Target purchased only the Zellers locations. All of the employees were let go and told to reapply for their own jobs. Target destroyed livelihoods and families. They effectively tore up collective agreements for any Zellers locations that had been union. It was a betrayal of Canadian values, and there was no way I was going to spend a loonie in Target no matter how good the store was and I suspect I was not alone. As much as Zellers had been in decline in the 2000's, it was part of Canadian culture and its workers deserved better. I'm not surprised Hudson's Bay has been experimenting with Zellers pop-up stores: there are a lot of fond memories from the 80s and 90s.

  • @chibilenne5470
    @chibilenne5470 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Zellers was not a failed retailer, they were also victims of flawed Target takeover. In terms of their logistics and lack of product....they are the victims of their own making. They never should have opened all 200+ Canadian store in the same weekend. I also would argue that they were shoe horning themselves into existing locations. While yes they used existing stores they also renovated or had communities renovate to meet their requirements. There are some municipalities even now that were NEVER paid millions of dollars owed to them by Target when they filed bankruptcy.

  • @mdmenzel
    @mdmenzel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Price is key. All of the competition that is mentioned in the video, save Giant Tiger, exists in the US now. Also, Giant Tiger didn't have the footprint in that Canadian market that it does now. Canadians who had experienced Target in the US were expecting the great deals that were just not present in their Canadian stores.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 ปีที่แล้ว

      The video failed to mention that Walmart went into a price war with Target Canada and protected its turf. Years later, we're still seeing the investment Walmart put into Canada with a decent website and enhanced store experience (i.e. grocery).

    • @VintageTVMemories
      @VintageTVMemories ปีที่แล้ว

      Price is 75% of the battle. And Target didn't come to fight. They thought the profit was already in the bag.
      As many others have said: they took us for fools. But we took them to the exit.

  • @dragonskunkstudio7582
    @dragonskunkstudio7582 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Target didn't have that many deals and few original products, the 2 things that Canadian shopper were hoping to find from Target. Walmart does have those and that is why they are successful.

    • @fromhgwaii
      @fromhgwaii ปีที่แล้ว

      To be honest the wrecked the whole idea of the consistency one expects from a chain retailer.
      The name/branding alone is nothing if you cannot offer a predictable and consistent product and service between locations - border or no border.

  • @windtalker7252
    @windtalker7252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Replenishment of products was a nightmare as every store only had 12 of every product in store. I worked pre-opening inventory and year-end.

  • @abrahamdozer6273
    @abrahamdozer6273 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The demise of Target left scorched earth across Canada in the Retail real estate market. Smaller malls across Canada were anchored by Target stores having bought out previous Zeller's locations (a lot of which were previously K-Marts, Towers, etc.) and when they abruptly closed, they sucked the life out of all of those already struggling malls. The later demise of Sears in Canada finished the job an "Big Box Power Centers" have replaced the small malls. Walmart soldiers on in those "Power Centers" along with domestic Canadian chains like Canadian Tire, Giant Tiger.

  • @suzie55
    @suzie55 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    as someone who specializes in business. I think everything they did was on purpose. they milked all the business laws here. from day 1 everyone gave them millions of dollars in loans. from the bank to Distribution companies trusting them. what people don't know (unless you're on the other side) is that target would buy things and then charge half the price day 1. how were they able to? because they were never planning on staying or paying anyone back. they want to become richer quick. make quick (free) profit. they damaged so many distribution companies. and now, we as buyers from distribution / wholesale are still suffering the consequences.
    they paid nothing back screwed everyone. after them, distribution companies feared giving out product and until this day we are all paying for it.

    • @Alejandrojtv
      @Alejandrojtv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow😨 I didn’t think about it

  • @dqwei
    @dqwei ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Target Canada just felt like a watered down version of Zellers from what I remembered, their stock wasn't too interesting and the prices could not really compete with Walmart are some reasons as to why I see it failing.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was in grade 5 and my mom basically just told me that Target basically took over from Zellers lmfao.

  • @thesaltysergeant4103
    @thesaltysergeant4103 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone in Canada expected US Target Merchandise, but when you walked through the door, what you found was just high priced garbage.Whomever they hired to fill those stores with the Merch, was completely out of touch with reality. Target failed because the missed the mark (or Target) on what the consumer wanted and expected. If your going to bring in a highly successful american store into Canada, you better provide that same business model for success.

  • @robotunicorn6462
    @robotunicorn6462 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Canadian that attempted to shop at Target, it was overpriced garbage. I could buy the same quality for cheaper elsewhere, so why would I spend ten or fifteen extra dollars on an ugly sweater at Target? It looked like they gave us all of the leftovers from what didn't sell in the States. Even their "clearance" prices when they were closing were pathetic.

  • @blueguy5588
    @blueguy5588 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Canadian stores looked like rebranded Zellers (which they were, although better renovations could have covered this up). Zellers was a discount retailer with similar branding, and Zellers' poor brand image immediately poisoned the well on the Target launch.

  • @myfathersbastard454
    @myfathersbastard454 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m actually not sure why it failed so badly. We actually had 2 targets in my area and both were always packed all the time. Everyone I knew preferred them. They were busy from day 1 to the last day. Maybe it wasn’t the same in most places.

  • @thevintagekitty
    @thevintagekitty ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the most important pieces of information left out in this piece, was the fact that Target Canada did not carry the beloved brands that are available in the USA. I thought, "finally I no longer have to cross a border to buy these things!" Boy, was I wrong. The prices were also WAY higher than in the USA. Everyone I knew called it "the expensive, red Wal-mart". Completely insulting to Canadians that we will buy anything, just like sheep.

  • @JonathonV
    @JonathonV ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another factor not mentioned in this video was Target Apparel, which was an entirely separate company that applied for the Canadian trademark to the “Target” brand in 2001 and opened its first store in 2005, a full 8 years before Target moved into Canada.
    When Target announced its opening of (initially) 200 stores in Canada, Target Apparel opened 10 at the same time (for a total of 15 stores, mostly in the same areas as Target locations). Target Apparel figured they could leach off the success of the Target brand and confuse customers into thinking they were shopping at the American Target. This strategy largely worked because of the red and white branding of both stores and the fact both were selling discounted clothes.
    Before entering Canada, Target filed for an injunction to get Target Apparel to stop expanding, and Target Apparel filed a $250M CAD trademark infringement countersuit. The two parties settled in 2012 and Target Apparel agreed to stop using the brand name for new stores by 2013. The problem was that Target Apparel purchased lots of inventory in the gamble that their expansion would pay off, so they weren’t able to close their stores on schedule. They had better and more affordable clothing selections than Target did, so the stores were quite popular and didn’t actually close until a year after Target’s Canadian launch. That confusion hurt business in the 15 Target stores that were near Target Apparel locations.