@@heatherreed162 Even in the Pilot episode he is a dick - among other things he manipulates Joey into going on a double date and openly admits that it's "so that Jen won't feel uncomfortable". Not something you'd do to a "friend".
@@captainsweatpants5229 Defenly I wasn't watching Dawsons for Dawson after the first season. I had hoped he would get better, but he never did. Everyone else carried the show for the rest of the series. Everyone had a better storyline. Even Abby Morgan was more interesting I was disappointed they killed her off so soon.
"Anyone who thinks that Dawson should have told me he had a girlfriend before he decided to sleep with me: raise your hand." ~Jen slowly raises her hand, Audrey confidently raises her hand~ "I personally cannot leave until Joey says that it's okay." "It's fine." "Okay good." "They are going to rip each other heads off." "Let's just go."
@@luisecawthorne1025 She ended up with Pacey because she was too dumb to realize that Dawson was the better fit for her. Instead, she had to have her "project" guy.
The moment where I realized that I despised Dawson. He has the nerve to gaslight Joey and blame her for his actions, when he didn't break up with his girlfriend before they slept together!
He had no intention to sleep with her there and then, he did not plan it, it was the moment for both of them. As he said, they did not even speak the whole summer, neither of them had any clue that the evening would turn out like this. I tend to agree that he did not break the magic by telling her right at the moment, but he was decent enough to do it first thing in the morning (as soon as possible). He might not gave been fair to the girl he was seeing for that night (cheating), but again, he was fair enough to make the call asap. Joey was just Joey in this scene, trying to be so perfectly correct without considering what the circumstances were the previous night, and judgmental enough to push him away. I liked PJ more, but Dawson did not do anything wrong in this particular case and tried to be fair to anybody involved WITHOUT ruining a magical night he had been dreaming of for years.
@@feelgood7 But he did ruined a "magical night" the moment Joey found out about the girlfriend. The decent thing was tell her the truth, because by not wanting to destroy a magical night, he practically destroyed his entire relationship with Joey.
@@xtltokioreal2736 He did not destroy anything, Joey reacted the way it destroyed their starting relationship. Dawson did the right thing. He did not plan to seduce Joey while having a GF, the moment just happened between them. He did not come clean about this to Joey earlier because it did not have any significance at the time. He and Joey were and were intended to remain friends. The moment this fact gained significance was the very moment they started to kiss. I do not think he was even conscious enough to think clearly then. He went for a coffee (actually, to do the breakup with his GF!) first thing in the morning and then came back with some romantic gestures like the flower. How on earth would anyone come back to the room after a night like this starting with: 'Good morning, I have good news! As soon as I had woken up I went out and called my now ex-girlfriend and broke up with her. I think you need to know this right away that it is handled." It did not have any meaning (he was not in a relationship) by the time Joey found it out. She simply overreacted the way Joey always does. :)
@@feelgood7 it just happened is a very weak excuse for cheating. Dawson is a total ass, he only wanted to own Joey as a possession, a prize, a trophee.
Dawson was wrong for not telling Joey about his girlfriend. He had plenty of time to do so before them sleeping together happened. It’s that little unspoken rule they have they don’t talk about their sex lives because they’re that dysfunctional. Joey had a right to be upset and then they go right into the same fight and pattern they always do when trying to force the romance issue with them. They just don’t work romantic wise. I was glad Joey shut the door on them for good after this. It was enough.
dawson DID not have a girlfriend, he had a one night stand in LA, and he told the girl he might see her again THAT it, the girl herself said the same thing.
@@stevemyopinion423 yes he did have a girlfriend, he admitted to it. Clean the wax out of your ears when someone says they did have a girlfriend. He was cheating on Natasha when he slept with Joey. I like Dawson but he did Joey wrong here.
wrong, she was a one night stand that he might see again, not only did dawson say that, the girl herself said that both alone with dawson and when she got mad at dawson for joey being there. WALK a girl home sleep with her and then break up with her in the morning, sorry that a one night stand not a girlfriend.
Yeah, I hated how they kept the Dawson-Joey thing going on, but with Pacey in season 5 it’s ridiculous, like they didn’t have a history before. Which, btw was way brighter than awkward attempts to build a romantic relationship between Joey and Dawson.
I’m guessing you missed the entirety of season 5 where neither Pacey or Joey showed any kind of romantic feelings for each other. Always love to see how delusional the PJ fans are
@@Johnnysmithy24 Which many Pacey/Joey fans have often criticized. That it made no sense. So silly bash other fanbase, just because you disagree with them. 🙃🙃🙃
@@destinychild4659 Just because they criticized it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, so why would Pacey feel anything in this scene when they didn’t feel anything for the entire last season. It made perfect sense to me cause the whole Pacey/Joey relationship felt exactly like a crush does, and a crush normally fades away. Unlike with Dawson where they were always hung up on each other on every season
Haha, rewatching this show years later and cringing so hard at just how awful Dawson really was. Makes me give James Van Der Beek more props for successfully portraying such a manipulative character, even though he most likely also didn’t realize it at the time.
i agree, she could not pick someone, she lie to much and keep to many secret, dawson did not have a girlfriend he had a one night stand, and dawson said we can work throw this, inless you dont want to be together, and then once again stop being his freind.
you really cant, you can no more tell some dysfunctional by a few min clip then you can tell what wrong in a engine of a car by looking at the outside of the car.
No they were so dysfunctional because the writers never gave them a chance to be together and be happy. They always threw little forced details to break them apart and keep them away, it never happened organically from their personalities, like when Pacey and Joey broke up because of their own flaws clashed and exploded. Hate the writers for this very reason, Dawson and Joey ALWAYS wanted to be together but were never allowed to. When they’re actually together I see absolutely nothing that could potentially break them apart, whereas with P/J I instantly saw Pacey’s insecurity being a problem and Joey’s past with Dawson and her dreams for the future, made them bound to clash.
I'm glad this disaster happened because now they can take it out of their system. They would always wonder "what if". With them it was never bad time (like them always though) just bad match and this just confirm for them and the audience.
2:20 Look at Pacey, he's so hurt by this, he's like "not this dawson&joey BS again" lol. At least that's how I felt watching that whole season. Thank god the writers realized she was meant to be with Pacey at the end.
Because I hate how awkward they made the morning after Pacey and Joey’s first time, I’m taking this opportunity to leave some gossip from back in the day… James and Katie slept together once or maybe twice after she and Josh broke up (during one of their off-again phases because Josh and Katie “allegedly” kept hooking up on and off throughout the entire filming of the series). Once, when Katie was drunk, she allegedly said that Josh was much better in bed than James. And that doesn’t surprise me at all. 😂
i don't think Dawson had any right to be angry at Joey in this situation. And after he came back with the actress, he even said that broke-up in the morning call was a mistake. I be like wth...
First off...Awww, Jen ☺️😫 Second, I've just now realized that I have gotdamn ptsd from this show! The level of cringe and anxiety I get just from watching these 2 bicker rn. UGH! Them, together, as anything romantically, was hands down the worst part of this series!! Smh.
True. And I hated how Joey was ready to give up Pacey just to stay friends with Dawson. After everything he did to her, while Pacey was always so caring and loyal. It still pisses me off after so many years LOL
honestly, i see both sides. just because dawson was dating someone doesn't mean they were exclusive, really the only one who deserved an explanation was the one he was ending things with. however, given joey and dawson's history it would have been better to be completely foretelling. that was a cross in the road and they simply took the same path they always have. their problem is that they always ran away from the tough conversations. it's the story of their friendship. they love each other and still rely on each other but somewhere along the way they stopped talking to each other. so have the tough conversation, you dont know what will come out of it.
People love to bash Dawson but as I remembered he and the girl weren't all that serious and he ended things with her before he slept with Joey. But because it's Dawson let the hate begin. I didn't know that he did it after sleeping with Joey.
@@SR-ql9he Everybody threw tantrums on that show they were teenagers. Pacey threw a huge tantrum on the Prom boat, Jen threw tantrums, Joey sure as hell threw tantrums at 15, 16, 17. 18, and 19 it comes with the territory.
Great acting here. I feel Joey was looking for an excuse to not committ to Dawson, sadly. He didn't really do anything that wrong. Joey knew that deep down.
Dawson obviously didn't give a shit about his girlfriend. If he was just going to sleep with someone without any sort of remorse or hesitation he really shouldn't be in a committed relationship.
Are you seriously talking about Dawson when pacey was literally sleeping with a married woman? Not saying Dawson was right but y’all are always bashing him when pacey was not picture perfect.
@@ebonimoore6196 Pacey is no cheater like Dawson is. Dawson hasn't any respect for Joey. (if a married person wants to sleep with pacey that's on them, not pacey. Pacey didn't make a commitment to the other partner)
@@wolkevandenberghe5282 are you serious Lmaoo , y’all really act like pacey does no wrong 😂, ofc the married woman was wrong but pacey is just as out of line.
Let’s be honest they both are acting Toxic. Dawson was hopelessly inLove with Joey and would walk to the end of the earth for her. Joey is caught up in the moment because it wasn’t the perfect moment and timing and plays victim when Dawson announces that. Dawson never fell out of love with Joey. It’s obvious she knows this but tries to play it off like she doesn’t see it. The guy loves the girl, but the girl doesn’t know how to accept his love for her.
Dawson and Joey ended up married and growing old together! They raised their kids in Dawson's family house on the creek in capeside. That's my ending and I don't care how that terrible last season ended
Dawson and Joey as friends: 🙂 Dawson and Joey as a couple: 🥴 Dawson and Joey sleeping together: 🤮🤮🤮 Pacey and Joey as friends: 🥰 Pacey and Joey as a couple: 🥰🥰 Pacey and Joey chemistry: 🥰🥰🥵
I nearly puked when they slept together. The actor is handsome, it's just they always had a brother sister vibe to me Joey is right, it felt like Dawson slept with her because finally the moment came and lord forbid a minor detail like another girl get in the way. Calls her a scared little girl, what a pathetic creep. He was the one who was scared of missing out on sleeping with her.
the way joey and dawson have been trying to force a romantic relationship between them for years is so sickening. they have been friends for too long to make this work. not to mention that they have 0 chemistry
What Dawson should have said "I am so sorry Joey. She was a girl I hooked up with, we did not date. I was so happy last night with you, that I didnt want to embarrass myself by bringing up my past hookups. I unfortunately failed to see, that it was more embarrassing, to wait until later to tell you, that I have had a bit of a mess in my personal life over the summer. I now feel very stupid. Once again, I am sorry. However you feel about this, I respect. I want you to know though, that I feel so ready to move forward with my life, and can think of no better person by my side thak you."
Dawson was really low here he was seeing both Natasha and Joey at the same time Joey has every right to be upset with Dawson I know it would never work out for them Joey is definitely better off with Pacey he wasn’t perfect but he always treated Joey with love and respect he never cheated when he was with her.
Selona what does Pacey have to do with this scene. That's my problem with people if the scene is between Pacey and Joey keep it like that. If the scene is between joey and Dawson keep it like that. Pacey humiliated Joey in front of the whole school on the prom The gets a pass wow. Dawson and Joey sleeping together just happened it wasn't planned, so he really didn't owe her any explanation.
@@donnelladams8362 that was Pacey being unhappy and insecure with himself, he just took it out on the person he loved most, which is very understandable. it wasn't his finest hour, but it wasn't even about her. they recognized it later on in the series, they revisited it and they talked it through.
@@donnelladams8362 Pacey had everything to do with Joey Dawson and Joey would not work out anyway and Dawson had no idea what Natasha was really like she admitted in this season she was indeed using him but Dawson and Joey would have been something but Dawson cheated on Joey so she better off without Dawson and with Pacey I see the look on Pacey face.
@@donnelladams8362 I remember that prom scene but if you saw he admitted he was wrong and Joey forgive him he told her your not the reason we broke up am because there better in chemistry if someone really is sorry like Pacey was that’s great Dawson wasn’t sad and look he did not tell Joey he was going to break up with Natasha he was I believe seeing her behind Joey back.
Dawson was the reason Joey even could afford to go to college, When he gave her half of Mr Brooks money left to him that was above and beyond, Yes this wasn't his best moment but do not for one second tell me he wanted joey as a one night stand. Joey is a drama queen and treated him like shit this time she got it back. too bad so sad.
When I watched this, he was dumb. When watching back to back. They made a big thing of Joey and Dawson at the end of the previous season. The not talking made no sense, the girl in LA made no sense. This fall apart made no sense
I think since season 2 Joey realized Dawson wasn't the right one for her, which is why she was no longer with and was able to fall completely in love with Pacey. But Dawson remained her safe place, a teenage dream that never came to fruition. Therefore, whenever she was not well or felt lost or when he came to her, she gave in to the closeness. But she has known for a long time they were not meant to each other. So yeah, part of her regretted the next day while the part of her that refuses to grow up and give up on Dawson just kept going with the flow until Dawson's revelation stopped her from continuing the denial.
Of course they ruin them again, they had to, they had to because of the writers notion of Joey and Pacey ending up together for whatever unknown idiotic idea !!!! . I HATE THIS !!!! . Dawson and Joey FOREVER !!!! .
I get why everyone loves Pacey so much. I like him too. He is the funny impulsive lovable "underdog." But I'll never understand why people hate on Dawson so much. Dawson is a more realistic character. Pacey is like a fantasy perfect boyfriend. His only true flaw is he doesn't think he's good enough.🙄 The show was actually written for Dawson and Joey to end up together. The only reason it was Joey and Pacey in the end is because that's what the fans wanted because of Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes chemistry together (because they dated in real life). But really the writing was foreshadowing Dawson and Joey from the first episode to the finale. And that would have a more beautiful story but alas you can't fight chemistry.
I agree ! It’s so dumb that Dawson didn’t get the “girl “. Pacey should have ended up with Andje. Andje made him a much more likable character. Truly hated hated Pacey and Joey ugh so dumb. They ruined this show. Could have bee.n a good one
No matter what anyone says I love these 2 together not big on pacey maybe because I went through a similar situation as a teenager me and my Bestfreind just couldn’t get it right kinda why I was so intrigued by this love story
I agree with you 100% I honestly don’t understand the hate for Dawson and Joey together. It felt way more natural and right than Pacey and Joey which felt forced to me. I too had a similar situation with my best friend years ago.
@@jarrentheonemartin2876 I think it’s because pop culture focuses around people with hard lives Dawson’s life is perfect paceys life is the polar opposite and more relatable to the general public but some people grow up like Dawson I literally grew up like Dawson he’s so relatable I was a nerd ect loved my Bestfreind ect it’s sad this new generation hated Dawson I love pacey but Dawson is goat 🐐 the writers failed this love story not Dawson personally . The general public is so dumb
I agree once again. I enjoyed Pacey as well, just not with Joey. Don’t get me wrong they had good moments. But Pacey became a different person with Joey. Insecure, unsure of himself, jealous. For good reason because Joey was clearly still in love with Dawson. Dawson paid for this girl to go to college. I mean come on now. Dawson and Joey just felt real. The writers made a mistake and yes the general public is dumb lol. Because Dawson is in fact the GOAT!
@@jarrentheonemartin2876 he really is man it’s crazy but I only see early 2000’s kids saying they love pacey not understanding the true story arch to the characters even in the end Joey loved Dawson no matter who shes with Dawson was always the key 🔑 pacey was better with his ex girlfriend tbh the 1 from season 2
That’s a fact man. I just don’t get the infatuation for Pacey and Joey. Like I said they had good moments. But if you really pay attention it was kind of toxic a lot of times. Dawson, for me was the character that really grew up and changed. It’s like the writers didn’t understand their own story arch for these characters. Everything that should have happened was right there in front of them, all the way up to the finale. And they dropped the ball. Dawson’s arch alone was fantastic because from who he was in season one to season six. He was the one who truly grew up. He was the heart of the show. It was Dawson’s Creek, not Paceys Pond, Not Joeys Lake. And Yes Andie! Pacey was definitely at his best with her.
I’m not sure which one I liked better with Joey. Dawson or Pacey. I think Joey was confused on her feelings with Dawson. I think she knew her feelings with Pacey . I do think Pacey was good for her. He was better at communicating his feelings and communicating with Joeys crazy personality. I was shocked she ended up with Pacey though. I really thought it would be her and Dawson at the end of the
"Honey? Now's not the time" hahaha Never did understand Pacey/Joey shippers when he was so good with Audrey. They were just a chill, normal, fun couple.
When I first started watching I wanted them toget together but when they did I didn't enjoy it it just wasn't right. I loved dawson with jen when they was older they should have been end game x
But if Joey was not giving the right signals what is wrong that he started seeing someoneelse you can not just not date someone and expect them to be single all the time for gods sake.
I completely agree! I think that Dawson and Jen had so much more chemistry than Dawson and Joey. And everyone seems to just skip over all of the great moments he and Jen had over the course of the show. Like the time they went swimming naked in 2x09, or the time in 4x23 when they were talking outside of Dawson’s house before he went off to college or the time Jen gave him sex advice in 3x03. Jen and Dawson were the most unproblematic couple on this show next to Andie and Pacey. If Joey hadn’t had feelings for Dawson and Dawson knew how to treat women they never would’ve broken up in S1 and would’ve dated all through high school
In this instance I’m on Dawson’s side. I think Joey ruined their chance more than he did. I enjoyed her with both Dawson and Pacey through the seasons but college Joey kind of bugged me.
Joey was so annoying, indecisive and selfish, especially in later seasons.. I don’t get why everyone is hating on Dawson so much, when Joey was equally as responsible for their dysfunctional relationship as he was
Joey was definitely indecisive and selfish one too many times. Honestly stopped liking her character after season 3. She initiated a relationship with Dawson in the first place and ended up dragging him through the mud at every turn after that. Dude should've moved on. I'm surprised he remained friends with Joey and Pacey after they did him dirty with that super sized betrayal.
Her character is black and white like Dawson, she tought it was a sign that he had another girl and he made her the other woman so he could be her soulmate.
I just don't understand why they changed the characters so much. I understand that they're growing up, experiencing new things, blah blah, but no one wants to see Joey "rocking out" on stage, or watch Dawson sleep around, which his character was built up not to do. Oh well.
Seeing Joey arm - goooood. Seeing Joey back - amazing. I still dont get why Dawson even left her in bed and went for coffee--that was weird. BUT - Joey was wrong here. OK he had GF....but this thing was lifetime long time coming for these two.. Honestly - they way Joey acted ----she was being a Dawson lol
Joey was not a prize idk why everybody harsh with dawson. They both did fucked up shit together and all this does is add more bullshit to the bullshit they already got lol.
@@laurenmeltzer7159 yep , got crap after that but I watched . Just watched the ending it’s pathetic . Ruined the whole show . The whole pacey / joey thing was a nonsense . It should have just been a “ phase “ .
Eh, I come down on Dawson's side in this. Just casually dating someone, then he sees an old flame and something happens, and then he ends a casual relationship. There's nothing much there to get too upset about.
she was not even his girlfriend she said she sleep with him after a party and then he broke up with him, so not even a girlfreind, she even said it was just ego.
Me gustaba que ellos dos eran parejas, ya no me gustaba igual cuando se intercambio todo.. no recuerdo el final. Peeo me gustaba mucho la serie, aunque no era para mí edad la veía 😅😅. Jueves 1/9/2022 3:31 pm
@@donnelladams8362 i wasn't talking about pacey fans, I was talking about one individual who defends dawson to death on pretty much every video on here. its cute of you to defend them tho, you're just as obsessed as they are
What Dawson did was wrong. Just proves he is the one that needs to grow up. Not Joey. A man would’ve spoken up prior. Or not go any further until the previous relationship was absolved . With Dawson and Joey is what I refer to as Gin and Regret.
Me, never having seen Dawson’s Creek before and watching random clips: *”Oh, so Dawson’s like… the villain of the show. Interesting.”*
He's been the villain since the second season. You really love everyone but him.
not true, dawson one of the best in the show,
@@heatherreed162 Even in the Pilot episode he is a dick - among other things he manipulates Joey into going on a double date and openly admits that it's "so that Jen won't feel uncomfortable". Not something you'd do to a "friend".
@@captainsweatpants5229 Defenly I wasn't watching Dawsons for Dawson after the first season. I had hoped he would get better, but he never did. Everyone else carried the show for the rest of the series. Everyone had a better storyline. Even Abby Morgan was more interesting I was disappointed they killed her off so soon.
yea it is most friends as friends to go on double date
Pacey is looking like a damn snack in this clip.
He always does 😫
I completely agree!! Plus.... he still does!
He has aged well🥰🤗
fr! that facial hair!!
Yeees 😩
Jen always had the best lines, always the perfect response to anything 😂😂
3:11 what a good friend. Just to make sure they'll leave if Joey is okay.
yea, everyone else know better then to stick around, pacey like I he just left
"Anyone who thinks that Dawson should have told me he had a girlfriend before he decided to sleep with me: raise your hand." ~Jen slowly raises her hand, Audrey confidently raises her hand~
"I personally cannot leave until Joey says that it's okay." "It's fine." "Okay good."
"They are going to rip each other heads off." "Let's just go."
I always thought Jack said “we didn’t even tell them about our apartment” 😂😂😂😂
The reason why she ended up with Pacey. They weren’t so agonised
joey just hold dawson to a crazy high standards
@@luisecawthorne1025 She ended up with Pacey because she was too dumb to realize that Dawson was the better fit for her. Instead, she had to have her "project" guy.
It is funny how the tv show is kinda about Dawson but is the only character I've never totally liked
dawson is the only character I never liked either lol
@@chelseybabyyy he is so childish
no by season 4 he was the most matrue of the group.
yeah hes selfish a bit...like when he got mad that pacey and joey had a thing. Like whyy do they have to have his permission lol
he NEVER SAID OR hint they need his permission, BUT it would be respectfull to TELL him.
I love the humor they throw in there during the most dramatic moments lol
The moment where I realized that I despised Dawson. He has the nerve to gaslight Joey and blame her for his actions, when he didn't break up with his girlfriend before they slept together!
He had no intention to sleep with her there and then, he did not plan it, it was the moment for both of them. As he said, they did not even speak the whole summer, neither of them had any clue that the evening would turn out like this. I tend to agree that he did not break the magic by telling her right at the moment, but he was decent enough to do it first thing in the morning (as soon as possible). He might not gave been fair to the girl he was seeing for that night (cheating), but again, he was fair enough to make the call asap. Joey was just Joey in this scene, trying to be so perfectly correct without considering what the circumstances were the previous night, and judgmental enough to push him away.
I liked PJ more, but Dawson did not do anything wrong in this particular case and tried to be fair to anybody involved WITHOUT ruining a magical night he had been dreaming of for years.
Natasha was always cheating on Dawson to begin with. So no real relationship existed between them at all.
@@feelgood7 But he did ruined a "magical night" the moment Joey found out about the girlfriend. The decent thing was tell her the truth, because by not wanting to destroy a magical night, he practically destroyed his entire relationship with Joey.
@@xtltokioreal2736 He did not destroy anything, Joey reacted the way it destroyed their starting relationship. Dawson did the right thing. He did not plan to seduce Joey while having a GF, the moment just happened between them. He did not come clean about this to Joey earlier because it did not have any significance at the time. He and Joey were and were intended to remain friends. The moment this fact gained significance was the very moment they started to kiss. I do not think he was even conscious enough to think clearly then.
He went for a coffee (actually, to do the breakup with his GF!) first thing in the morning and then came back with some romantic gestures like the flower. How on earth would anyone come back to the room after a night like this starting with: 'Good morning, I have good news! As soon as I had woken up I went out and called my now ex-girlfriend and broke up with her. I think you need to know this right away that it is handled." It did not have any meaning (he was not in a relationship) by the time Joey found it out. She simply overreacted the way Joey always does. :)
@@feelgood7 it just happened is a very weak excuse for cheating. Dawson is a total ass, he only wanted to own Joey as a possession, a prize, a trophee.
Dawson and Joey were always better as friends, in my opinion. They just didn't have the same chemistry as Joey and Pacey had. ♥️
i think u mean Joey and Pacey had better chemistry then Dawson and Joey
@@vintage_85 that's literally what she said.
@@rebel3069 nah it didn't say pacey when i commented
That's what YOU think.
@@TheGuyNobodyReallyLikes nah ya mommy thought so i had to correct her 👍🤗
Dawson was wrong for not telling Joey about his girlfriend. He had plenty of time to do so before them sleeping together happened. It’s that little unspoken rule they have they don’t talk about their sex lives because they’re that dysfunctional. Joey had a right to be upset and then they go right into the same fight and pattern they always do when trying to force the romance issue with them. They just don’t work romantic wise. I was glad Joey shut the door on them for good after this. It was enough.
I totally agree!!
dawson DID not have a girlfriend, he had a one night stand in LA, and he told the girl he might see her again THAT it, the girl herself said the same thing.
@@stevemyopinion423 Exactly but these people love to bash Dawson
@@stevemyopinion423 yes he did have a girlfriend, he admitted to it. Clean the wax out of your ears when someone says they did have a girlfriend. He was cheating on Natasha when he slept with Joey. I like Dawson but he did Joey wrong here.
wrong, she was a one night stand that he might see again, not only did dawson say that, the girl herself said that both alone with dawson and when she got mad at dawson for joey being there.
WALK a girl home sleep with her and then break up with her in the morning, sorry that a one night stand not a girlfriend.
Joey didn't have a love triangle. she had a love octagon.
She las pass around like a hot potato 😂
Pacey and Joey forever ❤
Dawson and Joey are dysfunctional.😂
For sure Dawson and Joey are not meant to be lovers only friends
Yikes. Garbage take. Pacey is a broken man-child and the most annoying of the main cast.
3:42 "That's actually a much bigger deal." Dawson was so damm right on that one!
I am shocked to see Pacey is so casual about this. Who wrote this episode? NYU intern.?
Same, this hurts
Yeah, I hated how they kept the Dawson-Joey thing going on, but with Pacey in season 5 it’s ridiculous, like they didn’t have a history before. Which, btw was way brighter than awkward attempts to build a romantic relationship between Joey and Dawson.
I’m guessing you missed the entirety of season 5 where neither Pacey or Joey showed any kind of romantic feelings for each other. Always love to see how delusional the PJ fans are
@@Johnnysmithy24 Which many Pacey/Joey fans have often criticized. That it made no sense. So silly bash other fanbase, just because you disagree with them. 🙃🙃🙃
@@destinychild4659 Just because they criticized it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, so why would Pacey feel anything in this scene when they didn’t feel anything for the entire last season. It made perfect sense to me cause the whole Pacey/Joey relationship felt exactly like a crush does, and a crush normally fades away. Unlike with Dawson where they were always hung up on each other on every season
Haha, rewatching this show years later and cringing so hard at just how awful Dawson really was. Makes me give James Van Der Beek more props for successfully portraying such a manipulative character, even though he most likely also didn’t realize it at the time.
He had a role in Law&Order and he was again manipulative 👀
dawson was never manipulative so i have no idea what you talking about
Well he’s selfish , Joey Should’ve been with pacy still right now
pacey is far worse
@@pocahontasseguinart7099 welljoey is with pacey
Peacy is like broooo let’s run 🏃 into that hill hahaha we just proof everyone we see cut with the same scissors 😂😂
2:56 I love them so much 🤣
“You’re blowing this way out of proportion” -what every narcissist would say
These two were so dysfunctional because they kept trying to force a romantic relationship instead of actually being friends with each other instead.
No they were dysfunctional because Joey is dysfunctional.
i agree, she could not pick someone, she lie to much and keep to many secret,
dawson did not have a girlfriend he had a one night stand,
and dawson said we can work throw this, inless you dont want to be together, and then once again stop being his freind.
Right!! I haven’t even seen the show and I can tell just by this clip how dysfunctional they are. It’s cringing. So many red flags!
you really cant, you can no more tell some dysfunctional by a few min clip then you can tell what wrong in a engine of a car by looking at the outside of the car.
No they were so dysfunctional because the writers never gave them a chance to be together and be happy. They always threw little forced details to break them apart and keep them away, it never happened organically from their personalities, like when Pacey and Joey broke up because of their own flaws clashed and exploded.
Hate the writers for this very reason, Dawson and Joey ALWAYS wanted to be together but were never allowed to. When they’re actually together I see absolutely nothing that could potentially break them apart, whereas with P/J I instantly saw Pacey’s insecurity being a problem and Joey’s past with Dawson and her dreams for the future, made them bound to clash.
I can't believe I watched these whole series :D
I'm glad this disaster happened because now they can take it out of their system. They would always wonder "what if". With them it was never bad time (like them always though) just bad match and this just confirm for them and the audience.
The worst mistake for both of them to sleep together. They'r so much better as bestfriends.
Up til then it was the elephant in their room/s whether it was in his room in Capeside or Boston
Dawson make sure he got a little back from what he spent.
It’s seems like Dawson and Joey had to try to hard. Joey and Pacey’y chemistry came naturally.
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Exactly
“This is a very unhappy birthday.”
😂😂😅 Jen is sooo cute most of the time ☺️❤️
Yep, Jen is cute. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love that line and the way she delivers it 😂 best part of the scene!
You see the look dissapointing look on pacey face
Omg yes he looks kinda jelous
Yeah he was always jealous when it came to Joey's sex life remember he was kind of mad at Joey cuz she wasn't mad about Audrey
@@filthy0819 hahahaha, atleast he deflowered her and he dated her for over a year a reason to be jealous.
2:20 Look at Pacey, he's so hurt by this, he's like "not this dawson&joey BS again" lol. At least that's how I felt watching that whole season. Thank god the writers realized she was meant to be with Pacey at the end.
Lol Pacey's enthusiastic "Surprise!" xD
Because I hate how awkward they made the morning after Pacey and Joey’s first time, I’m taking this opportunity to leave some gossip from back in the day… James and Katie slept together once or maybe twice after she and Josh broke up (during one of their off-again phases because Josh and Katie “allegedly” kept hooking up on and off throughout the entire filming of the series). Once, when Katie was drunk, she allegedly said that Josh was much better in bed than James. And that doesn’t surprise me at all. 😂
Audrey had no business coming out and interrupting the conversation for her own selfish wants.
i don't think Dawson had any right to be angry at Joey in this situation. And after he came back with the actress, he even said that broke-up in the morning call was a mistake. I be like wth...
First off...Awww, Jen ☺️😫 Second, I've just now realized that I have gotdamn ptsd from this show! The level of cringe and anxiety I get just from watching these 2 bicker rn. UGH! Them, together, as anything romantically, was hands down the worst part of this series!! Smh.
True. And I hated how Joey was ready to give up Pacey just to stay friends with Dawson. After everything he did to her, while Pacey was always so caring and loyal. It still pisses me off after so many years LOL
I'm team Pacey, sorry. I think Joey stuck to the right one. The chemistry between her and Pacey is way much better.
honestly, i see both sides. just because dawson was dating someone doesn't mean they were exclusive, really the only one who deserved an explanation was the one he was ending things with. however, given joey and dawson's history it would have been better to be completely foretelling. that was a cross in the road and they simply took the same path they always have. their problem is that they always ran away from the tough conversations. it's the story of their friendship. they love each other and still rely on each other but somewhere along the way they stopped talking to each other. so have the tough conversation, you dont know what will come out of it.
Idk why people pretend Pacey never did anything wrong lol
At least Pacey didn’t have a girlfriend on the side when he slept with Joey🙄
Can you upload the rest of this Dawson and Joey fight? It’s awseome because Joey admits they made a huge mistake and let’s him walk out.
People love to bash Dawson but as I remembered he and the girl weren't all that serious and he ended things with her before he slept with Joey. But because it's Dawson let the hate begin. I didn't know that he did it after sleeping with Joey.
@@SR-ql9he Everybody threw tantrums on that show they were teenagers. Pacey threw a huge tantrum on the Prom boat, Jen threw tantrums, Joey sure as hell threw tantrums at 15, 16, 17. 18, and 19 it comes with the territory.
pacey throw bigger tantrums, and ultimatums, and dawson never gassligh anyone
Great acting here. I feel Joey was looking for an excuse to not committ to Dawson, sadly. He didn't really do anything that wrong. Joey knew that deep down.
i just finished the s1 episode 2 and im confused but not surprised
Studio 23 my childhood memories..
my stress reliever when i was a child..
Dawson obviously didn't give a shit about his girlfriend. If he was just going to sleep with someone without any sort of remorse or hesitation he really shouldn't be in a committed relationship.
Are you seriously talking about Dawson when pacey was literally sleeping with a married woman? Not saying Dawson was right but y’all are always bashing him when pacey was not picture perfect.
And didn't give a shit about Joey either, sleeping with her while having a girlfriend
@@ebonimoore6196 Pacey is no cheater like Dawson is. Dawson hasn't any respect for Joey.
(if a married person wants to sleep with pacey that's on them, not pacey. Pacey didn't make a commitment to the other partner)
@@wolkevandenberghe5282 are you serious Lmaoo , y’all really act like pacey does no wrong 😂, ofc the married woman was wrong but pacey is just as out of line.
@@wolkevandenberghe5282 not only that pacey deadass embarrassed Joey at the prom.
I had a clinic visit and dr House told me to watch this show.
Does anyone know what season and episode this was?
Dawson should have left Joey's surprise party, so she could at least have enjoyed it a little, or had an easier time pretending to.
Which season is this?
Dawson could of so easily played that off and he went the honest route lmaooo
I agree ! Lol 😂
I was happy first when they slept together but they just had to ruin it
The evil writers never gave them a chance. They ruined the characters they created in season 1
Those Two together 😖 as friends 🤩
Let’s be honest they both are acting Toxic.
Dawson was hopelessly inLove with Joey and would walk to the end of the earth for her.
Joey is caught up in the moment because it wasn’t the perfect moment and timing and plays victim when Dawson announces that.
Dawson never fell out of love with Joey. It’s obvious she knows this but tries to play it off like she doesn’t see it.
The guy loves the girl, but the girl doesn’t know how to accept his love for her.
Dawson and Joey ended up married and growing old together! They raised their kids in Dawson's family house on the creek in capeside. That's my ending and I don't care how that terrible last season ended
And then they got divorced, and she ended up with Eddie 😅
Dawson and Joey as friends: 🙂
Dawson and Joey as a couple: 🥴
Dawson and Joey sleeping together: 🤮🤮🤮
Pacey and Joey as friends: 🥰
Pacey and Joey as a couple: 🥰🥰
Pacey and Joey chemistry: 🥰🥰🥵
I can only see the first emoji. the rest are squares with crosses in them.
Right!
How has Busy Philips been in everything?
Thank god they didn’t end up together, they just don’t work well. As friends they’re perfect! You don’t always have to kiss the homies😂😭
What season and episode
S6 E2
I nearly puked when they slept together. The actor is handsome, it's just they always had a brother sister vibe to me Joey is right, it felt like Dawson slept with her because finally the moment came and lord forbid a minor detail like another girl get in the way. Calls her a scared little girl, what a pathetic creep. He was the one who was scared of missing out on sleeping with her.
I’m still team Dawson, years later, my misunderstood toxic dude lol
What’s the name of the movie please?
Es una serie... Dawson's creak
What season is this!?
season 6
this is a very unhappy birthday...
the way joey and dawson have been trying to force a romantic relationship between them for years is so sickening. they have been friends for too long to make this work. not to mention that they have 0 chemistry
LOL everyone just witnessing their little episode after previously overhearing
What Dawson should have said "I am so sorry Joey. She was a girl I hooked up with, we did not date. I was so happy last night with you, that I didnt want to embarrass myself by bringing up my past hookups. I unfortunately failed to see, that it was more embarrassing, to wait until later to tell you, that I have had a bit of a mess in my personal life over the summer. I now feel very stupid. Once again, I am sorry. However you feel about this, I respect. I want you to know though, that I feel so ready to move forward with my life, and can think of no better person by my side thak you."
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He should have told her, but Joey was clearly regretting having slept with him from the jump and was looking for a reason to end things again
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Dawson was really low here he was seeing both Natasha and Joey at the same time Joey has every right to be upset with Dawson I know it would never work out for them Joey is definitely better off with Pacey he wasn’t perfect but he always treated Joey with love and respect he never cheated when he was with her.
nataha was a one night stand then he spelt with joey and beoke up with nathah,
stop trying to blame dawson for everything.
Selona what does Pacey have to do with this scene. That's my problem with people if the scene is between Pacey and Joey keep it like that. If the scene is between joey and Dawson keep it like that. Pacey humiliated Joey in front of the whole school on the prom The gets a pass wow. Dawson and Joey sleeping together just happened it wasn't planned, so he really didn't owe her any explanation.
@@donnelladams8362 that was Pacey being unhappy and insecure with himself, he just took it out on the person he loved most, which is very understandable. it wasn't his finest hour, but it wasn't even about her. they recognized it later on in the series, they revisited it and they talked it through.
@@donnelladams8362 Pacey had everything to do with Joey Dawson and Joey would not work out anyway and Dawson had no idea what Natasha was really like she admitted in this season she was indeed using him but Dawson and Joey would have been something but Dawson cheated on Joey so she better off without Dawson and with Pacey I see the look on Pacey face.
@@donnelladams8362 I remember that prom scene but if you saw he admitted he was wrong and Joey forgive him he told her your not the reason we broke up am because there better in chemistry if someone really is sorry like Pacey was that’s great Dawson wasn’t sad and look he did not tell Joey he was going to break up with Natasha he was I believe seeing her behind Joey back.
Dawson was the reason Joey even could afford to go to college, When he gave her half of Mr Brooks money left to him that was above and beyond, Yes this wasn't his best moment but do not for one second tell me he wanted joey as a one night stand. Joey is a drama queen and treated him like shit this time she got it back. too bad so sad.
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This is one thing that the PJ fandom overlooks again and again
TEAM PaceyandJoey ❤
Their relationship was always so toxic
When I watched this, he was dumb. When watching back to back. They made a big thing of Joey and Dawson at the end of the previous season. The not talking made no sense, the girl in LA made no sense. This fall apart made no sense
Is it just me or did she immediately regret sleeping with Dawson before she found out about the other girl?
I think since season 2 Joey realized Dawson wasn't the right one for her, which is why she was no longer with and was able to fall completely in love with Pacey.
But Dawson remained her safe place, a teenage dream that never came to fruition. Therefore, whenever she was not well or felt lost or when he came to her, she gave in to the closeness. But she has known for a long time they were not meant to each other. So yeah, part of her regretted the next day while the part of her that refuses to grow up and give up on Dawson just kept going with the flow until Dawson's revelation stopped her from continuing the denial.
Or it could be a case of seeing what you want to see especially if you don't like the couple 🤔
Of course they ruin them again, they had to, they had to because of the writers notion of Joey and Pacey ending up together for whatever unknown idiotic idea !!!! . I HATE THIS !!!! . Dawson and Joey FOREVER !!!! .
The writers are absolutely horrible.
I get why everyone loves Pacey so much. I like him too. He is the funny impulsive lovable "underdog." But I'll never understand why people hate on Dawson so much. Dawson is a more realistic character. Pacey is like a fantasy perfect boyfriend. His only true flaw is he doesn't think he's good enough.🙄 The show was actually written for Dawson and Joey to end up together. The only reason it was Joey and Pacey in the end is because that's what the fans wanted because of Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes chemistry together (because they dated in real life). But really the writing was foreshadowing Dawson and Joey from the first episode to the finale. And that would have a more beautiful story but alas you can't fight chemistry.
Lol I always laugh when people say Pacey was a perfect boyfriend. People really watch the show with blinders on
But I agree with everything else you said
@@Johnnysmithy24 Right? It's like people forget all the bad things he did
I agree ! It’s so dumb that Dawson didn’t get the “girl “. Pacey should have ended up with Andje. Andje made him a much more likable character. Truly hated hated Pacey and Joey ugh so dumb. They ruined this show. Could have bee.n a good one
I honestly don’t remember those two sleeping together. 🤷🏻♀️
The writer's went out of their way to always make Dawson the villain.
Dawson did nothing.wrong. he had a one night stand. Then sleep with joey. He was not cheating.
No matter what anyone says I love these 2 together not big on pacey maybe because I went through a similar situation as a teenager me and my Bestfreind just couldn’t get it right kinda why I was so intrigued by this love story
I agree with you 100% I honestly don’t understand the hate for Dawson and Joey together. It felt way more natural and right than Pacey and Joey which felt forced to me. I too had a similar situation with my best friend years ago.
@@jarrentheonemartin2876 I think it’s because pop culture focuses around people with hard lives Dawson’s life is perfect paceys life is the polar opposite and more relatable to the general public but some people grow up like Dawson I literally grew up like Dawson he’s so relatable I was a nerd ect loved my Bestfreind ect it’s sad this new generation hated Dawson I love pacey but Dawson is goat 🐐 the writers failed this love story not Dawson personally . The general public is so dumb
I agree once again. I enjoyed Pacey as well, just not with Joey. Don’t get me wrong they had good moments. But Pacey became a different person with Joey. Insecure, unsure of himself, jealous. For good reason because Joey was clearly still in love with Dawson. Dawson paid for this girl to go to college. I mean come on now. Dawson and Joey just felt real. The writers made a mistake and yes the general public is dumb lol. Because Dawson is in fact the GOAT!
@@jarrentheonemartin2876 he really is man it’s crazy but I only see early 2000’s kids saying they love pacey not understanding the true story arch to the characters even in the end Joey loved Dawson no matter who shes with Dawson was always the key 🔑 pacey was better with his ex girlfriend tbh the 1 from season 2
That’s a fact man. I just don’t get the infatuation for Pacey and Joey. Like I said they had good moments. But if you really pay attention it was kind of toxic a lot of times. Dawson, for me was the character that really grew up and changed. It’s like the writers didn’t understand their own story arch for these characters. Everything that should have happened was right there in front of them, all the way up to the finale. And they dropped the ball. Dawson’s arch alone was fantastic because from who he was in season one to season six. He was the one who truly grew up. He was the heart of the show. It was Dawson’s Creek, not Paceys Pond, Not Joeys Lake. And Yes Andie! Pacey was definitely at his best with her.
I’m not sure which one I liked better with Joey. Dawson or Pacey. I think Joey was confused on her feelings with Dawson. I think she knew her feelings with Pacey . I do think Pacey was good for her. He was better at communicating his feelings and communicating with Joeys crazy personality. I was shocked she ended up with Pacey though. I really thought it would be her and Dawson at the end of the
Does anyone kind felt it's YUK how they have all slept together except Pacey & Jen
And even Pacey and Jen made out several times.
2:22 Pacey
I know it's fashionable to dum pn Dawson but in this instance- Joey is wrong
They shouldn't have slept together. It just wasn't very well written.
Agreed. I feel like Joey should've been apprehensive to sleep with anyone else after Pacey.
"Honey? Now's not the time" hahaha
Never did understand Pacey/Joey shippers when he was so good with Audrey. They were just a chill, normal, fun couple.
I thought they were just boring, ill matched couple. I find Audrey so annoying.
When I first started watching I wanted them toget together but when they did I didn't enjoy it it just wasn't right. I loved dawson with jen when they was older they should have been end game x
They did Andie and Pacey dirty. The were end game for me.
Shit was nasty and made me uncomfortable
But if Joey was not giving the right signals what is wrong that he started seeing someoneelse you can not just not date someone and expect them to be single all the time for gods sake.
I know she died but I think dawson belonged with jen
I completely agree! I think that Dawson and Jen had so much more chemistry than Dawson and Joey. And everyone seems to just skip over all of the great moments he and Jen had over the course of the show. Like the time they went swimming naked in 2x09, or the time in 4x23 when they were talking outside of Dawson’s house before he went off to college or the time Jen gave him sex advice in 3x03. Jen and Dawson were the most unproblematic couple on this show next to Andie and Pacey. If Joey hadn’t had feelings for Dawson and Dawson knew how to treat women they never would’ve broken up in S1 and would’ve dated all through high school
dawson alwasy now how to treat women, JEN broke up with him becouse they had to do that i need to be alone crap.
and then they are never alone.
R u ok
In this instance I’m on Dawson’s side. I think Joey ruined their chance more than he did. I enjoyed her with both Dawson and Pacey through the seasons but college Joey kind of bugged me.
Joey was so annoying, indecisive and selfish, especially in later seasons.. I don’t get why everyone is hating on Dawson so much, when Joey was equally as responsible for their dysfunctional relationship as he was
Joey was definitely indecisive and selfish one too many times. Honestly stopped liking her character after season 3. She initiated a relationship with Dawson in the first place and ended up dragging him through the mud at every turn after that. Dude should've moved on. I'm surprised he remained friends with Joey and Pacey after they did him dirty with that super sized betrayal.
Her character is black and white like Dawson, she tought it was a sign that he had another girl and he made her the other woman so he could be her soulmate.
happy birthday mommy!!! !!!
The last two seasons got more and more abysmal. Sad after the phenomenal 3rd season where they gave us one of the best romances on TV
I just don't understand why they changed the characters so much. I understand that they're growing up, experiencing new things, blah blah, but no one wants to see Joey "rocking out" on stage, or watch Dawson sleep around, which his character was built up not to do. Oh well.
Seeing Joey arm - goooood. Seeing Joey back - amazing. I still dont get why Dawson even left her in bed and went for coffee--that was weird. BUT - Joey was wrong here. OK he had GF....but this thing was lifetime long time coming for these two.. Honestly - they way Joey acted ----she was being a Dawson lol
What season ?
I know that pacey will break up with her but when will they get back together after the break up? Please
In what season ?
S6
I rewatched seasons 3 and 4 several times, but hardly remember what was going on later. I kinda hoped Joey and Dawson never slept together :(
Joey was not a prize idk why everybody harsh with dawson. They both did fucked up shit together and all this does is add more bullshit to the bullshit they already got lol.
They really were end game to me
thinking of u, phew who
Buy. I shipped they two when they were young. Dawson was handsome . Bruh i stopped watching at season 2
I think most people did sadly. I couldn’t get into it after season 3.
@@laurenmeltzer7159 yep , got crap after that but I watched . Just watched the ending it’s pathetic . Ruined the whole show . The whole pacey / joey thing was a nonsense . It should have just been a “ phase “ .
@@sunnyt4493 It’s because the fans really liked them together they changed the ending
@@laurenmeltzer7159 lmao show became more famous because of Joey and pacey
Eh, I come down on Dawson's side in this. Just casually dating someone, then he sees an old flame and something happens, and then he ends a casual relationship. There's nothing much there to get too upset about.
deeply agree. His first thing to do was in the morning to quit
she was not even his girlfriend she said she sleep with him after a party and then he broke up with him, so not even a girlfreind, she even said it was just ego.
Me gustaba que ellos dos eran parejas, ya no me gustaba igual cuando se intercambio todo.. no recuerdo el final. Peeo me gustaba mucho la serie, aunque no era para mí edad la veía 😅😅.
Jueves 1/9/2022
3:31 pm
Quanta doçura!!!!☺️
Dawson gives us nice guys a bad name
How did he do that by breaking up with the woman he was seeing before he slept with Joey?
by sleeping with joey when he had a one night stand in LA becouse that all she was.
@@stevemyopinion423 you’re weirdly obsessed with dawson, u know it’s fiction right?
@@litalising9265 The same can be said about team Pacey fans as well. Read some of their comments and you'll really see what obsessed is.
@@donnelladams8362 i wasn't talking about pacey fans, I was talking about one individual who defends dawson to death on pretty much every video on here. its cute of you to defend them tho, you're just as obsessed as they are
What Dawson did was wrong. Just proves he is the one that needs to grow up. Not Joey. A man would’ve spoken up prior. Or not go any further until the previous relationship was absolved . With Dawson and Joey is what I refer to as Gin and Regret.