Yeah I like the 900 as well but I already had so many Kawasakis in the vid that I had to give Suzuki and Honda some attention. Kawi makes great cruisers though.
I bought the Royal Enfield Super Meteor after a ton of research and weighting. It was the most comfortable motorcycle I could find with decent power. I wanted a bike that could 80MPH comfortably but still get decent gas milage. I did not know about the sub 9000 Yamaha, or I would have looked into it as well. I tried out the meteor 350 was enamored buy how comfortable it was and decided to weight on the Super Meteor. I took a chance based on many reviews on it being the most comfortable bike out their for someone over 6 foot and ordered it site unseen as soon as ordering opened up.
I have mine and have 850 miles as of typing this. I felt a little more vibration in the break in period. But after 500 miles or so, I've pressed 85 on the highway and it goes 70 mph no problem. When I did my first oil change at 400 miles, it was pretty dark. I use Castrol power 1
@matt59fire did you do the complete first service or did you take it to the dealership? I am thinking I will do the oil change myself and let the dealership do the rest. My dealership is only 10 miles from my house.
3:10 This is exactly why HD is going Direct To Consumer, skipping the middle man markup. Motorcycle manufacturers are trying to sell their products as cheap as possible, and that means the elimination of dealerships. Suzuki just announced they’re also going DTC, as are several vehicle manufacturers. A few years from now the only way you’ll be able to purchase a new vehicle is online. You can mark my words.
It really is an indictment against Harley that Indian motorcycles can offer multiple bikes that are far more affordable than the cheapest Harley and outperform them, too! Harley has really fallen behind in the very basics of motorcycle production. Let's face it Harley riders, like myself, the only reason Harley still exists is because of brand loyalty and reputation. It has nothing to do with the quality, performance, and value of the product they offer.
@DifferentSpokesTV right. How does the scout engine look good from every angle, but this Rev Max, new and improved, Harley engine looks like an abomination from the left side? Not to mention all the warranty problems. I wonder how many of these engines have blown up under warranty? Cause I have seen that several times on yt.
PLUS Harley outsourced and moved part production out of the US. The biggest claim Harley had was “American made” now they don’t even have that. They are assembled in the US.
@@joelcook3182yeah I’ve seen a few people tout “that’s the price you pay for american made” and it’s just not true. It’s the price you pay for a following that’s too loyal.
Earlier this year I bought a 2009 Kawasaki Vulcan 900LT from an individual, all stock with 4900 miles (like new!) for $4k. It is a beautiful and very capable twisty cruiser. It is a blast to ride, I love this bike!
If I would replace my old friend (Vulcan) with a new or newer cruiser from this video I would propably choose a Bolt. My kind of riding is at this point a sunny day, a few friends and more or less keeping to the speed limits. Or shortish solo trips that can be done in a few days. Most value for the money is the reason, with still a huge enjoyment factor. Got my license in -74 so been at it now for a while, and tried most types of bikes earlier in life. Here in Sweden we have a short season and american bikes are ridiculously priced and I don´t want to identify as a lawyer or dentist anyway but if I was forced to have one my choice would be a Scout. But all my earlier bikes have been japanese so not changing a winning formula. Keep up the good work, it is nice to have these videos to watch especially now that riding is on hold over the winter!
I just got a 2008 c90t with 3000 miles for $3000 last week. I’ve had Harleys and this feels def better. And for the looks and price yeah I’ll never buy a Harley again.
For a first time budget buyer you can’t go wrong with the Honda Shadow or that Yammi Bolt I think. Good looking, medium displacement bikes at good prices. Plus they are bullet proof. But if you want to step it up and get the classic American cruiser I’d choose Harley. Beats Indian in resale, aftermarket and shop support. I like their fit and finish better too.
Great video! Personally I would probably go for the Softail Standard. Finding a pre owned one though, without having the "blank canvas" destroid by previous owners, is a little hard. As for many other Harley models as well.
Was surprised you didn't add the Suzuki M109R. I'd say it's comparable to the Chief and Softail in power and price, but more reliable. Only down side is the weight, but it's still close to the others you mentioned.
I have a 2020 phantom as well and I have to say that gloss black on my 2020 looks wise hits different than the flat black they had on the other year models. I don't know what year phantoms are gloss but I believe the flat black is the majority. Bike is solid, very reliable and sounds amazing with cobra pipes. Recommend this bike 100%
I have an older C50T, and I adore it! Excellent value, very reliable, good parts availability (they still make them, 20+ years later) and very comfortable. They have a cruddy resale value, but I'm fine with that. I'm planning to keep mine a looong time, even if I do a "bigger" bike for trips and such. The C50 does all I need it to do, with comfort and reliability. These bikes get overlooked a lot in the my area, but they're great values.
@@Hanson_Feet I definitely agree with you that the C50 is overlooked by most folks. It’s been around for decades for a reason and it’s still the best midsize cruiser.
I ride a 2008 Softail Custom, to me it's the cruiser I've always wanted, it has everything I love in a cruiser. I've had it from new and can't see me ever selling it! 🇬🇧
Agree, who knows, once Harleys get too heavy for me, that would be a solid option. It is not only a great starter bike, but is not something you would not outgrow in a year. I'll admit I ride a Harley because of vanity, I think most of us do. As they say, "Things are different on a Harley." At least they used to.
I looked hard for a Suzuki Boulevard C90 or C109 but couldn't find any that I liked. I stumbled across a Suzuki Marauder 1600 which is just a rebadged Kawasaki Meanstreak 1600. I absolutely love the bike. I've got a batwing that I will be putting on, then I'm going to change the bars and add some hard bags to it for a more comfortable highway cruiser.
Great video! I have an 05 victory Vegas myself, and certainly agree on the chief being the best option lol This is my first video of yours im seeing but maybe follow this video up with best value for “new-ish” bikes haha do a cutoff at like 2010 or something. Idk just wanted to say I dig your vid & keep the rubber side down when you’re riding!
I got a mint 2006 Suzuki C50. Can't do burn outs and can not pop wheelies...but it's fun and comfortable with enough power to make it fun. Bought it with bags and after market Cobra pipes for $4,000 cash.
I think value is a perspective for each individual. I have ridden/owned metric cruisers before my harley. I always struggled with lack of presence on the highway, so was prepared to pay more to get the ride i was looking for. Being on 2 wheels is the most important thing if you like your ride then great, I like mine . But don't simply go cheaper with a wanna be look if you are actually wanting something else. You will be disappointed in the end. Most bikes retain good value so the cost might not be as bad as you think.
In the meantime, Harley made an under $4K Cruiser in India where a Super Meteor costs around $6K while a Vulcan S around a whopping $10K (and I have one) !
You mean the X440? You should take into accont that it's a 440cc Single compared to the 650cc Parallel of the Super Meteor and the Vulcan S. You'd be better off comparing it to the base Meteor and the Eliminator.
If I was on a budget the Rebel 1100T is the way to go in my opinion.. luckily, my budget was a lot more flexable when I bought my 2020 Harley Davidson Street Bob. Is it over priced? Yep. Fit and finish is top notch though. Wife and I ride long distance, do poker runs and of course the typical around town stuff. We love our Harleys, so for us, it is the best bang for the buck. The reality is, bikes are, for most of us, a luxury item, so bang for the buck is very subjective. My cages, minus my classic truck, is where I am very practical, even nerdy.
Excuse me! The fury still handles great! Instead of calling it the worse handling cruiser consider it the best handling chopper you will ever find! Besides the lo g wheel base it is easily abalnceqd and stable, a great smooth and reliable motor ND the bike has plenty of space for medium to tall riders
I have two Harleys but my little Honda CTX 700cc to my mind is one of the most underrated little cruisers ever made . Funny thing is i have Harley people looking at it saying they really like the looks . 🤣plus its a little demon on the Tail of the Dragon.
When you mention HD Road Glide, you didn't mentiion Honda Gold Wing. That seemed odd to me. But, I like Indian Chief, though. I do not know 2024 prices but 2023 prices of Royal Enfield in Canada are not good value at all.
The reality is that as objectively better other cruisers are compared to Harleys, me and a lot of other riders would still prefer the Harley because of the look and name. Theres no other motorcycle brand other than maybe Indian that does bold motorcycles like Harley, and if I had to choose between Harley and Indian I would choose Harley anyway because they have more aftermarker options, typically more parts for service, and a larger community. Sure the other companies are coming around quickly, but Harley is still the top of the chain for bold cruisers and touring bikes.
They will always have a much bigger community and aftermarket parts selection. They are well built machines too. I have always had jap bikes but I have ridden a few buddies Harleys over the years, just looking at the materials used and the fit and finish you can tell that they are a better built machine.
Just got a re super meteor, i love it, his name is Clyde 😂. Heavy bike but the fact that i can flat foot it and its so balanced makes it easy to handle.
I think at least in Europe Chinese brands like Keeway/Benda will dominate the cruiser markets, because those are the only affordable(ish), not to mention of the price of the cars also skyrocketed, so less and less people has money to buy a motorbike. In my country 95 of 100 people spend less buying a car then a price of a new 300cc scooter. The younger generations are not interested in riding a motorbike, not to mention they cant afford a motorbike which became a luxury item, instead of a vehicle. Electric micromobility and 50cc scooters has some future.
Buy used, it's the only way. If you get an old Harley the parts market is great especially in the US If it's your first bike buy an old Japanese Cruiser to start. You can pick up like an old Suzuki intruder for $500-$100 USD and it will serve you great while you learn and drop it and everything else. Then you can resell for close to what you bought it for
The Yamaha Bolt looks pretty good until you really look at it. The way the engine is placed in the frame looks odd. The downtubes stick out too much. It looks like they accidentally moved the engine 4" back making that rear cylinder sit right in your crotch. The controls and gauge look cheap too. I went used and got a really nice Sportster 1200 for half the price. I never thought I'd own a Harley-Davidson, but I love the bike.
Best Value Cruiser is the new Aprilia 457 , The 2023 purple R3 is a great value also. As soon as The Yamaha R6 comes back it will on top of the heap. I dunno what this dude is talking about..... "Cruisers", uh.....nope , those are recliners.
personally I will never own another HD, my VRod had very poor finish work, so bad that i actually cut myself on flash that was not removed from the rear pan. HD raising prices and seemingly either cutting corners or the builders just don't care
I personally just don't get the appeal of cruisers. Like you said in the intro, I guess it comes down to non-tangibles, or as the kids say, vibes. To me they just seem overweight, old-fashioned and loud.
The sportster s is not a cruiser and really only seats one with barely any storage. Had the sportster s and biggest POS I ever had. It spent more time in the shop than on the road. Got rid of it and bought a Super Meteor 650 so much better for 1/3 of the price
Those rebels are dull, so bland like too many Honda offerings, moto & auto. Super Meteor all day. Love the FatBob but the numbers $$$$. Why Harley, why?
I got my 2024 Kawasaki eliminator 450 abs se on oct31st I have 800 miles on it and I love it I have been on the rebel 500 and there is no contest to the feel and power of the Eliminator. I will be upgrading to a Dyna or softtail standard which will probably be my bike until I can afford a street glide or something for longer hauls. My only issue with Kawasaki on the eliminator 450 is the sheer lack of accessories, no windshield, no bags nada, that is disappointing because I am in a place where that wind can feel like a punch in the gut from the wind so a windshield would be nice. Also Harley knows they messed up big time however I do not think the release of the X500 within the USA will do any good. Why? Because those bikes might be tough as hell but they are not comfy they feel terrible granted I have only been on the X350 and 450 which I might add, had Harley actually released them within the USA you would have a 350, 450, 500cc bike range or they could have done a 500, 803, 1103cc models the fact is Harley thinking they are a luxury brand is delusional. You can get better gear, more protective gear, better helmets, more affordable bikes literally anywhere else other then Harley and that is the real issue here. I do want Harley to succeed but they are literally doing it to themselves and it is hard to give a shit. (Edited) Also if within the USA stay away from Chinese bikes. The pandemic in 2020-Late 2021 where the worst years to have one, But now because of how hard it was to get parts or general technical issues no shop in my county will touch one, well there is one but you might be waiting weeks. So unless you know how to work on bikes leave them out your mind. Having said that anything with a Liefan engine is not terrible things are built decent for what they are I have a 250cc sportsbike and I totally abuse it.
Man, I was torn between the eliminator and a rebel 1100. I really only chose the rebel because they already have accessories, and like you said, with the eliminator, there isnt much out there.
@@Briansgate Yup it is sadly one of the downsides to newer bikes seeing as it just came out I can understand. However wish they had the basic stuff at least.
Harley Davidson......does it have the capability of being true luxury? Can a 1940 John Deere B tractor with some modern electronics and chrome, have the capability of competing in "luxury" against a modern Case IH Puma with A/C, GPS controls, 240 hp diesel, air ride seat, powershift transmission, and giant tires? Even if it costs as much, or more than the Case? With bikes like the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX, Suzuki GSX-S1000GT+, Yamaha Tracer 9GT+, who in the world would prefer a cruiser? You can even get a new FJR1300 with every electronic feature known to man (except radar cruise) for $18,299 and I guarantee it will out-run any Harley Davidson ever made, outlast any Harley Davidson ever made, outperform any Harley Davidson ever made, and require far less maintenance, and cost far less when it does need a service.
You won't use the capabilities of most of those bikes. Owned a Concours 14. It's amazing. It can cruise effortlessly at 85 mph and for the size it can carve any canyon road like a scalpel. Most of my riding is in town stop and go and bumpy B roads doing 40-50 mph. The Concours is wasted on that. A cruiser really shines in stop and go and on B roads doing the speed limit. Something like a Versys or a V Strom would be fun too. My Dyna was well taken care by the previous owner of so maintenance was not an issue. Didn't own it that long though. w
@@ahoneyman It's just the analytical, logical side of me and my knowledge of the motorcycle market that has a very difficult time putting price tags on HD's for what they are, as compared to the vast, diverse field of other options from other brands. One ultimately has to explain themselves into oblivion to defend a HD purchase decision (comparing new to new). I understand brand loyalty and things of that nature, but how much ultimate pressure from other brands does it take to swing an HD loyalist into considering that there's so much more value in every measurable way in something else? This isn't life or death, this isn't the fountain of youth or the cure for cancer. I get that. It's mostly recreation. That in itself is rather intangible. But within the ethos of riding motorcycles and experiencing so much of what is offered, HD is a very myopic view of two wheel functions. They do one thing well, but it is so restrictive, that one thing. It's like always drinking the exact same brand and flavor beverage for the rest of your life and paying through the nose for it because one is so convinced about the marketing and culture and image.
In the US Kawasakis can be had at under MSRP, sometimes quite a bit under. The Vulcan 900 is a fun Sunday morning cruiser.
Yeah I like the 900 as well but I already had so many Kawasakis in the vid that I had to give Suzuki and Honda some attention. Kawi makes great cruisers though.
I got a 900 classic love it….it’s my second motorcycle
Harley is going to price themselves out of existence.
Nah too many BROTHERS keep buying them for that to happen
@@derek17005 you could get 3 or 4 bike for the price of one 20k Harley. M109r, rocket 3, vtx 1800, and vmax
I own a 25 year old Sporty 883 and buy now for long distance rides a Royal Enfield Super Meteor. Enough power for an old man and good quality.
I have an 01 kawi vulcan 800. Paid only 2500. Excellent and underrated. Reliable and sounds and rides great. All while being affordable. Nuff said
I bought the Royal Enfield Super Meteor after a ton of research and weighting. It was the most comfortable motorcycle I could find with decent power. I wanted a bike that could 80MPH comfortably but still get decent gas milage. I did not know about the sub 9000 Yamaha, or I would have looked into it as well. I tried out the meteor 350 was enamored buy how comfortable it was and decided to weight on the Super Meteor. I took a chance based on many reviews on it being the most comfortable bike out their for someone over 6 foot and ordered it site unseen as soon as ordering opened up.
I have mine and have 850 miles as of typing this. I felt a little more vibration in the break in period. But after 500 miles or so, I've pressed 85 on the highway and it goes 70 mph no problem. When I did my first oil change at 400 miles, it was pretty dark. I use Castrol power 1
@matt59fire did you do the complete first service or did you take it to the dealership? I am thinking I will do the oil change myself and let the dealership do the rest. My dealership is only 10 miles from my house.
@@joshuathomas8529 should one of the first videos that comes up
Waiting for the BMW R12 ($16k base MSRP US). Finally, after many attempts, BMW may have figured out the cruiser segment.
Indian is killing it with scout and chief
I can't wait to get my chief bobber next year.
Yes, it's nice that they are still selling decently priced American bikes.
It's not exactly a cruiser but that Indian FTR is a damned sexy bike. Looks like it has the performance too
3:10 This is exactly why HD is going Direct To Consumer, skipping the middle man markup. Motorcycle manufacturers are trying to sell their products as cheap as possible, and that means the elimination of dealerships. Suzuki just announced they’re also going DTC, as are several vehicle manufacturers. A few years from now the only way you’ll be able to purchase a new vehicle is online. You can mark my words.
You can get a 2 nd hand Harley of anything you want for $5,000-$10,000 with low mileage with accessories.
It really is an indictment against Harley that Indian motorcycles can offer multiple bikes that are far more affordable than the cheapest Harley and outperform them, too! Harley has really fallen behind in the very basics of motorcycle production. Let's face it Harley riders, like myself, the only reason Harley still exists is because of brand loyalty and reputation. It has nothing to do with the quality, performance, and value of the product they offer.
Yes, I agree. Plus the Nightster engine looks a bit of a mess while Indian managed to make the Scouts look pretty clean despite being liquid cooled.
@DifferentSpokesTV right. How does the scout engine look good from every angle, but this Rev Max, new and improved, Harley engine looks like an abomination from the left side? Not to mention all the warranty problems. I wonder how many of these engines have blown up under warranty? Cause I have seen that several times on yt.
FortNine has a video on it. Explaining how Indian produces more power than Harley.
PLUS Harley outsourced and moved part production out of the US. The biggest claim Harley had was “American made” now they don’t even have that. They are assembled in the US.
@@joelcook3182yeah I’ve seen a few people tout “that’s the price you pay for american made” and it’s just not true. It’s the price you pay for a following that’s too loyal.
Earlier this year I bought a 2009 Kawasaki Vulcan 900LT from an individual, all stock with 4900 miles (like new!) for $4k. It is a beautiful and very capable twisty cruiser. It is a blast to ride, I love this bike!
Vulcans are sweet but vtx 1800s are the goat!
I have 56k miles on my 2009 vulcan 900 and it runs as good as it ever did
@@ectomorphnranger5165 They also make a Vulcan 2000
If I would replace my old friend (Vulcan) with a new or newer cruiser from this video I would propably choose a Bolt. My kind of riding is at this point a sunny day, a few friends and more or less keeping to the speed limits. Or shortish solo trips that can be done in a few days. Most value for the money is the reason, with still a huge enjoyment factor. Got my license in -74 so been at it now for a while, and tried most types of bikes earlier in life. Here in Sweden we have a short season and american bikes are ridiculously priced and I don´t want to identify as a lawyer or dentist anyway but if I was forced to have one my choice would be a Scout. But all my earlier bikes have been japanese so not changing a winning formula. Keep up the good work, it is nice to have these videos to watch especially now that riding is on hold over the winter!
I bought a 2012 Suzuki boulevard c50t for 5,500 dollars this year ,it’s an incredible underrated bike it has everything you need for a long journey
I just got a 2008 c90t with 3000 miles for $3000 last week. I’ve had Harleys and this feels def better. And for the looks and price yeah I’ll never buy a Harley again.
Looking forward to both the Shotgun 650 and your review of it.
What about the Triumph Speedmaste
The Speedmaster and the Bobber are both nice bikes but over in North America they are both pretty expensive.
For a first time budget buyer you can’t go wrong with the Honda Shadow or that Yammi Bolt I think. Good looking, medium displacement bikes at good prices. Plus they are bullet proof. But if you want to step it up and get the classic American cruiser I’d choose Harley. Beats Indian in resale, aftermarket and shop support. I like their fit and finish better too.
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The Soft tail Harley Heritage Classic is the best Cruiser/Tourer on the market in my opinion, because I ride one. LOL
My friend bought the red anniverasry edition last year and loves the bike.
Great video! Personally I would probably go for the Softail Standard. Finding a pre owned one though, without having the "blank canvas" destroid by previous owners, is a little hard. As for many other Harley models as well.
Was surprised you didn't add the Suzuki M109R. I'd say it's comparable to the Chief and Softail in power and price, but more reliable. Only down side is the weight, but it's still close to the others you mentioned.
Yeah, the M109 is a sweet bike as well, but Suzuki is jacking up those prices a little. Lots can be had used for really good prices.
Honda shadow phantom for me, I have a 2020 but they just redesigned them in 23 or 24. 8400$ and used ones for between 4-7
Yes, the 650-900cc used Japanese cruisers are the best deal in motorcycling.
I have a 2020 phantom as well and I have to say that gloss black on my 2020 looks wise hits different than the flat black they had on the other year models. I don't know what year phantoms are gloss but I believe the flat black is the majority. Bike is solid, very reliable and sounds amazing with cobra pipes. Recommend this bike 100%
Another great video buddy. Cruisers, I'm going with the Suzuki C50T in the white.
I have an older C50T, and I adore it! Excellent value, very reliable, good parts availability (they still make them, 20+ years later) and very comfortable. They have a cruddy resale value, but I'm fine with that. I'm planning to keep mine a looong time, even if I do a "bigger" bike for trips and such. The C50 does all I need it to do, with comfort and reliability. These bikes get overlooked a lot in the my area, but they're great values.
@@Hanson_Feet I definitely agree with you that the C50 is overlooked by most folks.
It’s been around for decades for a reason and it’s still the best midsize cruiser.
I ride a 2008 Softail Custom, to me it's the cruiser I've always wanted, it has everything I love in a cruiser. I've had it from new and can't see me ever selling it! 🇬🇧
That's a beautiful bike with that classic chopper styling. I always liked those.
I've got a 2005 Softail Deuce. I used to live in the UK. In North Carolina now .👍😎🏴🇺🇸
I got the Rebel 1100 as well. Can't beat it for a casual bike. Especially for a beginner like me.
That's an awesome bike to start on! Enjoy!
Agree, who knows, once Harleys get too heavy for me, that would be a solid option. It is not only a great starter bike, but is not something you would not outgrow in a year. I'll admit I ride a Harley because of vanity, I think most of us do. As they say, "Things are different on a Harley." At least they used to.
Don’t forget the Moto Guzzi MGX-21. It’s a beauty.
I recently got a vulcan S650 as my first bike and still loving it
Concerning your recent video, I picked up a new 2024 crf250f yesterday. Absolutely amazing!
Nice! Congrats. I love the low down torque of that bike. That thing will really take you off the beaten path.
Good video. Nice research.
I love my Rebel 1100dct and I'm glad I chose it.
I have the manual version. I swear, the Rebel 1100 is an awesome bike.
Good choice! It is definitely a great bike and a great value. I liked both models I tested on the channel.
I looked hard for a Suzuki Boulevard C90 or C109 but couldn't find any that I liked. I stumbled across a Suzuki Marauder 1600 which is just a rebadged Kawasaki Meanstreak 1600. I absolutely love the bike. I've got a batwing that I will be putting on, then I'm going to change the bars and add some hard bags to it for a more comfortable highway cruiser.
My, what beautiful stock photos. Getting hyped for Indian Scout Sixty Bobber, VStar 950, & Vulcan 900
Great video! I have an 05 victory Vegas myself, and certainly agree on the chief being the best option lol
This is my first video of yours im seeing but maybe follow this video up with best value for “new-ish” bikes haha do a cutoff at like 2010 or something. Idk just wanted to say I dig your vid & keep the rubber side down when you’re riding!
I got a mint 2006 Suzuki C50. Can't do burn outs and can not pop wheelies...but it's fun and comfortable with enough power to make it fun. Bought it with bags and after market Cobra pipes for $4,000 cash.
Bare bones H - D trike Or something you can build in your garage on 2 wheels or 3 wheels if you have those kind of skills and tools in your repotroier
I think value is a perspective for each individual. I have ridden/owned metric cruisers before my harley. I always struggled with lack of presence on the highway, so was prepared to pay more to get the ride i was looking for. Being on 2 wheels is the most important thing if you like your ride then great, I like mine . But don't simply go cheaper with a wanna be look if you are actually wanting something else. You will be disappointed in the end. Most bikes retain good value so the cost might not be as bad as you think.
My next motorcycle purchase might be Vulcan 400 to replace my aging Suzuki Intruder 150 (a tiny cruiser)
In the meantime, Harley made an under $4K Cruiser in India where a Super Meteor costs around $6K while a Vulcan S around a whopping $10K (and I have one) !
Yes, I heard about that bike. I hope they bring it to North America eventually.
Kawasaki India got a huge markup due to agreement with Bajaj. Sorry to hear that.
@@victoriazero8869 Kawasaki in agreement with Bajaj ? Didn’t hear this.
I’ve a Bajaj made Triumph Speed 400
You mean the X440? You should take into accont that it's a 440cc Single compared to the 650cc Parallel of the Super Meteor and the Vulcan S. You'd be better off comparing it to the base Meteor and the Eliminator.
If I was on a budget the Rebel 1100T is the way to go in my opinion.. luckily, my budget was a lot more flexable when I bought my 2020 Harley Davidson Street Bob. Is it over priced? Yep. Fit and finish is top notch though. Wife and I ride long distance, do poker runs and of course the typical around town stuff. We love our Harleys, so for us, it is the best bang for the buck. The reality is, bikes are, for most of us, a luxury item, so bang for the buck is very subjective. My cages, minus my classic truck, is where I am very practical, even nerdy.
Road king! Especially due to the crappy roads here in the Northeast.
In my country the Vaquero is only half as expensive as the Road Glide. Harley is insane at pricing, and not in a good way.
HDs are just motorcycles that you pay 30% extra just because they slap the HD logo on it.
look at SWM they have a new sporter with a 3 year warranty. for a good price
Thanks! Yes, I did a video on that bike last year. It's a nice looking EVO clone.
Buy used for half...
Couldn't agree more
What about the Vulcan 900?
Excuse me! The fury still handles great! Instead of calling it the worse handling cruiser consider it the best handling chopper you will ever find! Besides the lo g wheel base it is easily abalnceqd and stable, a great smooth and reliable motor ND the bike has plenty of space for medium to tall riders
Sportsters have not been $4,000 for 40 years. The old XLH-61 the last of the old iron head sportster. My 1999 883 cost me $7,000.
I just saw an ad for a 2003 3883 for $4000.00.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
I have two Harleys but my little Honda CTX 700cc to my mind is one of the most underrated little cruisers ever made . Funny thing is i have Harley people looking at it saying they really like the looks . 🤣plus its a little demon on the Tail of the Dragon.
for me the best cruisers are kawa eliminator for fun ride and honda shadow phantom with shaft for real cruising
When you mention HD Road Glide, you didn't mentiion Honda Gold Wing. That seemed odd to me. But, I like Indian Chief, though. I do not know 2024 prices but 2023 prices of Royal Enfield in Canada are not good value at all.
What about the indian challenger
The reality is that as objectively better other cruisers are compared to Harleys, me and a lot of other riders would still prefer the Harley because of the look and name. Theres no other motorcycle brand other than maybe Indian that does bold motorcycles like Harley, and if I had to choose between Harley and Indian I would choose Harley anyway because they have more aftermarker options, typically more parts for service, and a larger community. Sure the other companies are coming around quickly, but Harley is still the top of the chain for bold cruisers and touring bikes.
They will always have a much bigger community and aftermarket parts selection.
They are well built machines too.
I have always had jap bikes but I have ridden a few buddies Harleys over the years, just looking at the materials used and the fit and finish you can tell that they are a better built machine.
The 900 Kawi is a solid bike. Good all around. But the 1700 is a best buy for the $$$
Just got a re super meteor, i love it, his name is Clyde 😂. Heavy bike but the fact that i can flat foot it and its so balanced makes it easy to handle.
Good reaserch. 👍Lots of nice bikes…
Buy used metric cruisers. They're much cheaper and reliable.
Yep, I've seen some ridiculous deals on those.
I enjoy my cruisers. It’s all about ride
I love my Yamaha Bolt!
I think at least in Europe Chinese brands like Keeway/Benda will dominate the cruiser markets, because those are the only affordable(ish), not to mention of the price of the cars also skyrocketed, so less and less people has money to buy a motorbike. In my country 95 of 100 people spend less buying a car then a price of a new 300cc scooter. The younger generations are not interested in riding a motorbike, not to mention they cant afford a motorbike which became a luxury item, instead of a vehicle. Electric micromobility and 50cc scooters has some future.
I was told by two Honda dealers the 2024 Shadow is not coming to Canada.
That's disappointing to hear because I would have loved to review that bike. We''ll probably get it a couple of years after the States.
No were in wayne county mi you can buy a hd mc for 5k used 😅
No doubt at all I stand with My favorite Motorcycle which is The Amazing Harley Davidson Softail Standard 👍🤘👊👍!!!
No Triumph Bobber on video? im surprised
I say go used. During the pandemic, it was really hard to get a good deal. Now things have loosened up.
I just like my 2004 Dyna wide glide
Buy used, it's the only way.
If you get an old Harley the parts market is great especially in the US
If it's your first bike buy an old Japanese Cruiser to start. You can pick up like an old Suzuki intruder for $500-$100 USD and it will serve you great while you learn and drop it and everything else.
Then you can resell for close to what you bought it for
Used royal star venture 2001 to 20012
Best priced undervalued ride
Or, the Royal Star Tour Deluxe if you want a full dressed bagger instead of a full fairing.
First bike is not a value at 14k, especially if you're talking adding another 10k in mods!
Harley on a valus cruiser list? You're kidding, right?
16000 for a sporster? What has the world come to? Indian has my business all the way.
The Yamaha Bolt looks pretty good until you really look at it. The way the engine is placed in the frame looks odd. The downtubes stick out too much. It looks like they accidentally moved the engine 4" back making that rear cylinder sit right in your crotch. The controls and gauge look cheap too. I went used and got a really nice Sportster 1200 for half the price. I never thought I'd own a Harley-Davidson, but I love the bike.
Triumph T120 great bike
I have the vulcan 1700 nomad
Coming off a '99 Nomad 1500, that is top of my search list
I would by used as most people buy znd only do maybe 5000 miles in the first 10 years
Hd is aimed at yuppys now . I don't need a bar hopper . I want to ride
Not an air cold motorcycle fan anymore 😊
For $14,300 I want an analog speedometer. This is where Harley falls short.
Best Value Cruiser is the new Aprilia 457 , The 2023 purple R3 is a great value also. As soon as The Yamaha R6 comes back it will on top of the heap. I dunno what this dude is talking about..... "Cruisers", uh.....nope , those are recliners.
dude, that purple R3 is so gorgeous!
@@Briansgate Yep, Its a real Motorcycle, not these Lazyboys with wheels.
I picked up a mint 2001 1200 Sportster S with 6,500 miles for $4k
My next bike will be Indian scout bobber
Harley Davidson makes BMW seem inexpensive.
personally I will never own another HD, my VRod had very poor finish work, so bad that i actually cut myself on flash that was not removed from the rear pan. HD raising prices and seemingly either cutting corners or the builders just don't care
Hondas rebel 1100 is the best bang for buck
Yes, it's basically a Harley Nightster at 2/3 the price.
@@Rob-lj1jlway better than the 500 too
Can't wait to get an Indian Chief Bobber Dark Horse next year.
Congrats and enjoy that beautiful bike!
Indian Chief all day...
2023 Honda Rebel 1100.
It has ride-by-wire and cruise control. For under 10K.
Case closed.
I personally just don't get the appeal of cruisers. Like you said in the intro, I guess it comes down to non-tangibles, or as the kids say, vibes.
To me they just seem overweight, old-fashioned and loud.
My rational brain always thinks that too, but then I get on a Harley and weirdly, I like it :)
m109r........
The sportster s is not a cruiser and really only seats one with barely any storage. Had the sportster s and biggest POS I ever had. It spent more time in the shop than on the road. Got rid of it and bought a Super Meteor 650 so much better for 1/3 of the price
if you want loyalty and a good price royal enfield
There is Royal Enfield and others...
Had a sportster never again . Junk
You assume the Honda fury rides like custom choppers what a 🤡
Those rebels are dull, so bland like too many Honda offerings, moto & auto. Super Meteor all day. Love the FatBob but the numbers $$$$. Why Harley, why?
Sold my woke Harley will never ever own another Harley .
I got my 2024 Kawasaki eliminator 450 abs se on oct31st I have 800 miles on it and I love it I have been on the rebel 500 and there is no contest to the feel and power of the Eliminator. I will be upgrading to a Dyna or softtail standard which will probably be my bike until I can afford a street glide or something for longer hauls. My only issue with Kawasaki on the eliminator 450 is the sheer lack of accessories, no windshield, no bags nada, that is disappointing because I am in a place where that wind can feel like a punch in the gut from the wind so a windshield would be nice. Also Harley knows they messed up big time however I do not think the release of the X500 within the USA will do any good. Why? Because those bikes might be tough as hell but they are not comfy they feel terrible granted I have only been on the X350 and 450 which I might add, had Harley actually released them within the USA you would have a 350, 450, 500cc bike range or they could have done a 500, 803, 1103cc models the fact is Harley thinking they are a luxury brand is delusional. You can get better gear, more protective gear, better helmets, more affordable bikes literally anywhere else other then Harley and that is the real issue here.
I do want Harley to succeed but they are literally doing it to themselves and it is hard to give a shit. (Edited) Also if within the USA stay away from Chinese bikes. The pandemic in 2020-Late 2021 where the worst years to have one, But now because of how hard it was to get parts or general technical issues no shop in my county will touch one, well there is one but you might be waiting weeks. So unless you know how to work on bikes leave them out your mind. Having said that anything with a Liefan engine is not terrible things are built decent for what they are I have a 250cc sportsbike and I totally abuse it.
Man, I was torn between the eliminator and a rebel 1100. I really only chose the rebel because they already have accessories, and like you said, with the eliminator, there isnt much out there.
@@Briansgate Yup it is sadly one of the downsides to newer bikes seeing as it just came out I can understand. However wish they had the basic stuff at least.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, new models like the Eliminator always take a few years to build up a proper aftermarket.
All Harley dealers are rip offs
Harley Davidson......does it have the capability of being true luxury?
Can a 1940 John Deere B tractor with some modern electronics and chrome, have the capability of competing in "luxury" against a modern Case IH Puma with A/C, GPS controls, 240 hp diesel, air ride seat, powershift transmission, and giant tires? Even if it costs as much, or more than the Case?
With bikes like the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX, Suzuki GSX-S1000GT+, Yamaha Tracer 9GT+, who in the world would prefer a cruiser? You can even get a new FJR1300 with every electronic feature known to man (except radar cruise) for $18,299 and I guarantee it will out-run any Harley Davidson ever made, outlast any Harley Davidson ever made, outperform any Harley Davidson ever made, and require far less maintenance, and cost far less when it does need a service.
You won't use the capabilities of most of those bikes. Owned a Concours 14. It's amazing. It can cruise effortlessly at 85 mph and for the size it can carve any canyon road like a scalpel. Most of my riding is in town stop and go and bumpy B roads doing 40-50 mph. The Concours is wasted on that. A cruiser really shines in stop and go and on B roads doing the speed limit. Something like a Versys or a V Strom would be fun too. My Dyna was well taken care by the previous owner of so maintenance was not an issue. Didn't own it that long though.
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@@ahoneyman It's just the analytical, logical side of me and my knowledge of the motorcycle market that has a very difficult time putting price tags on HD's for what they are, as compared to the vast, diverse field of other options from other brands. One ultimately has to explain themselves into oblivion to defend a HD purchase decision (comparing new to new). I understand brand loyalty and things of that nature, but how much ultimate pressure from other brands does it take to swing an HD loyalist into considering that there's so much more value in every measurable way in something else?
This isn't life or death, this isn't the fountain of youth or the cure for cancer. I get that. It's mostly recreation. That in itself is rather intangible. But within the ethos of riding motorcycles and experiencing so much of what is offered, HD is a very myopic view of two wheel functions. They do one thing well, but it is so restrictive, that one thing. It's like always drinking the exact same brand and flavor beverage for the rest of your life and paying through the nose for it because one is so convinced about the marketing and culture and image.
Harley’s don’t hold there value I know from experience