Nikon D850 Real World Review | Impressions After 6 Months of Landscape Photography
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- Six months ago, I upgraded to the Nikon D850. Many of you have asked me what my thoughts are about this camera for landscape photography.
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SENSOR
There was an increase in megapixels from 36 to 45.7 that's nearly 26% more pixels. I didn’t think it was going to be a big deal; however, I have noticed a difference, large prints look amazing, plus I have the benefits of cropping in if I need to.
The downside is the files are big. The Sensor is also a Back-side illuminated sensor which means it has better low light performance. I think the most significant improvement though is in the quality of the files shot at higher ISOs particularly helpful for astrophotography.
LCD SCREEN
The back screen now tilts, it makes it much more comfortable to work with behind the camera, and it's a far better experience when taking shots with the camera low to the ground. While it tilts up and down, it would be nice if it tilted to the side like the X-T3. The resolution has been increased from 1Mill to 2.4 Mill dots. This is significant as I use the screen a lot for composing and focusing my images. The information displayed is clearer to read, and the picture is vivid and brighter to see. In low light scenarios when with the D800 the image on the screen would have a lot of noise. It’s now much cleaner with less noise and more detail.
FOCUSING
Nikon has brought over the improved focusing system of the D500. The camera Autofocuses better when it’s dark, a situation. The speed and accuracy of the autofocus in low light conditions is phenomenal. The Focus Shifting function is a smart feature. I can set it up, and it'll work out where to focus and shoots the images automatically.
IMPROVEMENTS
It would be nice if the screen tilted to the side, but if it was a fully articulating screen that would be more flexibility in the ways it could be used. Snapbridge is still not an enjoyable experience, so I tend just to avoid using it. They could improve Focus Shifting (stacking) to allow you to bracket your exposures as well. The addition of illuminated buttons it great for astrophotography but they only light up on the left.
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Glad you’re happy with the upgrade! Again a thoughtful review, Andrew, with some nice shots and B -roll. Off to Google earth to work out where you were. Cheers.
I'm so glad I came across your channel Andrew! I am heading up to Perth and Albany this summer and I have got so many good photography spots and tips from your videos!
Awesome Damon, thanks for the feedback mate, glad you find the videos helpful and they also provide you with a list of locations to hit up, best of luck with your photography over the summer! :)
Thanks Andrew. Aussie living in the states. New subscriber and look forward to looking at your other videos. Take care mate.
Andrew .. just another beautiful video. thanks a lot for sharing. please do keep up the good work. cheers
Thanks so much Stanley, I really value your encouragement. I working on more videos, hoping for a big year in 2019! :)
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year Mate!!! Love what you bring to the channel, all your hard work and experience... 2018 was a fun year living vicariously through your images, i'm jealous lol..
A big Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you Wes, thanks for your support throughout the year. Hoping for a big one in 2019! :)
Thanks for sharing Andrew. Looking forward to seeing more of your experience with the new D850. Happy Holidays.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed this one!
No worries mate love your work. @@Andrew_marr
Nice job. You cover things clearly, concisely and quickly without repeating yourself over and over and over like so many youtubers.
Thanks for the feedback John, glad you enjoyed the pace and depth of this review, appreciate the support! 👍
Great video, proper review. Honestly the D850 is my dream camera and I hope to upgrade to it someday.
Great post. This is the kind of photography blog that makes a difference . I havent really seen much D850 posts that is void of sales pitch and gear ditching. Your post is on the mark about its actual professional use. I hope you can share more of your ideas. Thanks for sharing.
Merry christmas to you and yours...and thanks for all the inspiration i get from watching your videos 🎄🎆🎇😊
Thanks Prashanth, Merry Xmas to you a well and hope you have a great New Year! Thank you for watching :)
Andrew
Excellent discussion and 6 month review. I shoot with a D850, upgraded from the D810 and have never looked back. Absolutely a brilliant camera and couldn't be happier.
Peter
Good to hear a real use review of the camera Andrew and how you are getting on with it. The images looked fantastic
From your experiences in Tasmania especially with the taking of your waterfall images, whats your views on the weather sealing?
Hope you have a good festive period with the family and look forward to seeing more of your content in the new year
Thanks Jim, I put the camera through the ringer in Tassie and the weather worked a treat. I rely heavily on weather sealing for much of my photography, waterfall, seascapes, sand dunes. I can't fault the weather sealing of the D850! Hope you have a relax break over the festive season.
Very nice review, subbed! Merry Christmas!
Welcome to the channel and Merry Xmas! :)
Focus peeking in live view and manual focus has been a handy little feature. Great overview, Andrew!
Great point, the focus peeking is a great feature, I can't believe I missed that! :)
I updated from the crop sensor D7200 to the D850. I had more to get accustomed to but after 6 months I am totally thrilled. But I also upgraded my lenses to a professional quality. Yes wish the back screen totally articulated and wish the dual card slots were the same size. Love it. Leslie
Great review thank you ❤
Thanks mate, appreciate your feedback! :)
Thanks for the overview Andrew. I've settled into and enjoy my D800. Plus focused on investing in better lenses (and a MAC!) before considering an upgrade to an 850 rather than an 810 down the line. Glad you're enjoying it!
Fair enough Miguel, I certainly don't recommend upgrading to every new camera when they come out...let's face it, we'd have no money left. Hope you're enjoying the new Mac.
Andrew it’s been a while that you haven’t posted a video yet. I’m looking forward to great content of yours. Can’t wait to watch it. Happy New Year. Hopefully you enjoyed the Aussie test series:)
Thanks Andrew great review of the Nikon 850. I just got mine couple of days ago. Glad I came upon your video mate ! I'll be watching for more of your videos.
Thanks Charles, congratulations on the purchase of the D850. Welcome to the channel, I appreciate your support, I hope you enjoy the other videos.
@@Andrew_marr Thanks Andrew. This camera as we say is mind-boggling. Amazing what it can do once you get to really know it. Your video should help that. Thank you again.
Great review, thanks Andrew. After having my old D610 bouncing on the sidewalk with a 80-200mm lens attached and breaking the entire bayonet assembly of the camera, I bought the 850 today. Honestly, the Z series cameras with similar specs are crazy stupid expensive at the moment with not much to show for compared to the 850. It's an amazing piece of equipment right out the box, and I'm pretty happy for owning one in 2021.
great vid buddy . wicked locations again
Thanks Ton, so glad you enjoyed this one mate!👍
I’m about to buy the D850 for landscape , this video totally made up my mind. In the uk that weather sealing is a total advantage.😂 I have been shooting some medium for mat film too. That touch screen focus also sealed the deal. Thanks for a great review your videos are fantastic.
Andrew you do wonderful work! Keep sending your work it is so good! Your good friend Patrick.
Hey Patrick, glad you enjoyed the review mate, it was fun to put this one together.
Absolutely fantastic and I have subscribed too mate🤙🏻
Thanks Jackson, welcome to the channel mate and thanks for subscribing! 👍
beautiful photos and video thanks.
Hi Andrew. There's been lots of interesting launches in the camera world recently but I believe you made the best choice (although the Sony Alpha models look good too). Regular viewers of your channel will know that you can always be taken at your word and always give a balanced, honest and thorough appraisal as is the case here. The D850 is very much at the top of my wish list and reviews like yours help me to make an informed decision before making such an expensive purchase. Thanks for taking the time to do a real world review after giving the D850 a prolonged try-out. Really enjoyed the review Andrew. Many thanks for sharing.
Thanks very much Tim for you comments, it really means a lot. It was fun putting this review together, I know there are plenty of review out there but I thought I'd try and put something together that I might watch. Like me, I know there are lots of people contemplating the purchase of the D850 and your right, it isn't cheap so the more opinions you get the more informed you are when you make a decision. Best of luck with your choice, let me know what you finally do! :)
Excellent and informative vlog. Compliments. That's the way vlogs should be.
Thanks for that Eef, glad you enjoyed this video 😀
I have the 850 as well and it is a brilliant piece of equipment. I’m glad you have noticed the banding you get with a cpl in difficult lighting conditions, I thought it was just my user error.
I agree with you with all your thoughts with the non articulating screen the biggest bug bear for me especially after moving from a canon with that feature. It certainly makes Astro a lot harder without being able to easily see the screen.
To me it’s low light performance is astounding and it helps when you have missed exposure somewhat. Certainly means you can get away with less bracketing and worry mostly about only exposing for the highlights.
Great review. Keep up the great work.
Great review Andrew, your style is informative and relaxing. I do wonder thought if this is the beginning of the end for SLR cameras.
Interesting comment. The same thing was said about SLR cameras with the advent of decent cameras on cell phones but the market is still strong. Mirrorless cameras have been around several years and continue to improve yet SLR camera sales are still going strong. IMHO pros will probably have mirrorless cameras as a back up or 2nd camera.
Great work with the 6 month review. As a D850 owner myself I'd say that was a fair review. While generally I agree with you that SnapBridge is pants, the one thing I do use it for is to allow the camera to add GPS data to the EXIF information. :-)
Smashing review Andrew! I think the D850 will be the ultimate for landscapes and probably pretty close to Medium format Fuji although I have heard the MF fuji files are special! If I had been your age the D850 would have been my choice but for me it had to be the X-T2 fuji due to weight. I have heard Nikon are working on a pro grade mirrorless body so interesting times!
the video is excellent and your photos are so beautiful, i have decided to buy a d850 already i had used a d800e and d3s cameras and recently sold them i love the images on the d850
A great honest video, I am lucky enough to own a D850 and love it!
Thanks for that feedback Darren, appreciate you leaving a comment! :)
Great review Andrew. It's got to be one of the finest landscape cameras out there at the moment. Looking forward to hearing what you have to say about the Z7. That focus stacking feature looks brilliant too. Beautiful images captured in a real world setting too. Excellent stuff.
Great review Andrew, it looks like a great camera for landscapes, but I stood at the fork in the road between Nikon & Canon 10 years ago and went Canon(5DM2 & 5DSR). It' s not what you use it is how. Glad you like your recent upgrade. Also love your images and style. Cheers.
As a long time user of a 5DmkIII for weddings and portraits who dabbles in landscapes in astro when Im free, this sounds like a DREAM of a dedicated landscape camera. some of those features like an automated focus stack sound amazing.
I’m currently saving fir this camera ...thanks for the video, I shoot a lot of long exposure. I live in Albany wa and we have an amazing coast here. I’m currently using a Nikon d7500 and have really enjoyed it. I’ll keep it for general use. Should have my Nikon d850 soon.
Thanks for the thorough review also
I can’t wait to get mine ...hey if I have to survive on lettuce leaves for 6 weeks I’m cool with that 🤣
Great review, Andrew. I myself converted to the Nikon D850 from years of loyalty to Canon. One thing that convinced me was the low light capabilities. I sold all my canon equipment which included several L lenses and the Canon 5Dsr body. D850 is stellar with many capabilities. Perfect transition and not an inch of regret over Canon.
Wow, thanks for sharing your story. Transitioning across camera systems is no small task. I'm glad it all went smoothly. The D850, certainly is an amazing bit of kit. Thanks again for leaving a comment! :)
I just my whole kit after my backpack got hit by a car. Been thinking about buying from the insurance money a D850. I´m used to my old canon 5d mark ii. Should I jump for it?
Thanks for the review, I just upgrade from D610 to D850
Thanks for your comment, you will have noticed a jump up to the D850!
How are you finding the upgrade. I'm going to be upgrading to this from the d610 too.
Very enjoyable keep it up.....😊👍🏻
I think this video shows how tall you really are... that D850 looked tiny in your hand at the beginning! "shot in a variety of conditions in tasmania"... rain! That waterproofing was definitely tested and impressive too.
Man reliving some of those tasmania scenes was awesome. That was such a great trip. Anyone that reads this comment... make sure you check out Andrew's Tassie series!
I love the touch screen for focusing... something my old camera doesn't have thats for sure. I had a fulling articulated screen on the Canon 60D and I dont know why they dont implement in their FF ranges!
Anyway, great insights into whats important to Landscape Photographers in a camera and what is important to you.
Haha, big, fat hands! If there was one thing I tested in Tassie it was the weather sealing. It works a treat as you saw. Yeah Tassie was a great trip, second part of the series should be coming out over the next few months, cheers mate!
P.S. your comments are nearly as long as some of your recent videos! 😂
@@Andrew_marr hahaha p#$s off, its not that long! Im just trying to steal the Andrew Marr limelight! Looking forward to your stuff from the south west national park!
I just ordered mine, should be coming in the next week or two. I'm excited to upgrade from the Canon 60D that I've been using for 7 years.
Very exciting, can't think of a better way to start off the year. Best of luck getting to know your new toy, enjoy the journey! :)
Excellent camera
Some grate shots there friend! Iv'e had my D850 for about 6 months as well and I also like it a lot. It's the best camera I have ever owned by far and I would say it's probably one of the best all around cameras you can get. It works great for sports & nature, macro, landscape, portraits, architecture, you name it. It's a very robust camera and it's served me very well. However, if I am being honest, I am on the fence about selling it to move to mirrorless. In fact, I am still pretty sure I will do it but I think I am going to wait for 2020, by then Nikon should have worked out the kinks with the Z series and I can still hopefully get half my money back on my gear.
My biggest issues with the D850
- No EVF (though I LOVE the OVF and actually prefer an OVF I can't ignore the benefits of an EVF. Though with that said, if you shoot with a flash an EVF is useless and if you shoot in AP the benefit of using an EVF is greatly reduced)
- No IBIS (though depending on what your shooting IBIS might not matter too much, but it's nice to have it when you need it. FYI there is electronic VR in video mode though is slightly crops the image to achieve the affect. It would be nice if you could use EVR while shooting photos in liveview but you can't for some reason)
- Unusable Auto focus for video, which is unfortunate because the quality of the video is actually very nice. As purely a video camera the D850 would be garbage, but considering it as a way to capture some random broll it's not too bad. If your content with manual focus then it's not too bad.
- Large and heavy. This doesn't bother me too much, however walking around with this camera and a large lens like am 85/1.4 or a 70-200/2.8 will wear you out a bit. I'm in decent shape and even still I can feel tired after holding it up for a while.
- Okay now I am just getting a bit picky, but the menu interface can be a nightmare. Now, compared to some other cameras Nikon is much better, but even still their interface seems antiquated and confusing. Also, the settings are described very vaguely and not all of them have additional information. Even worse is that in order to activate some settings they may require other settings be on/off first, however it doesn't tell you which settings that is. So if you go to enable something like Focus Stacking you first have to figure out the 5 additional settings that must be configured to use it. There are a lot of features that fall into this trap and it is very annoying.
Anyways, I love this camera so don't get me wrong. I could write pages and pages of reasons why it is also great.
It’s quite the camera. No doubt about it. It’s definitely an interesting time for photography and cameras. I currently have a 5D Mark IV and am holding out just a little longer to see what Canon will do in 2019/2020.
Fair call Diego, Canon is bound to release a camera that matches the capabilities of the D850 soon.
First, let me say of all the UK/Aussie Vblogs on YT yours stands out as one of the best. Secondly, I own both the D850 and Z7. Since I shoot mostly with Zeiss Milvus primes for landscape the Z7 hands down is the way to go just for the EVF alone. Programming 100% magnification and focus peaking for manual focusing and the histogram overlay within the EVF is a huge benefit for me. The IBIS for hand holding the camera using non-VR lens is fantastic. I have shot hand holding the Z7 with a Zeiss 85mm/1.4 as low as 1/10s without camera shake. Though I would not generally practice that habit often it does allow me to keep my ISO lower in dark situations. I still however, love the D850. I feel the image resolution is equal to the Z7 and I still use the D850 when I am using AF-S lens. The D850 is the best DSLR Nikon has made IMHO. The features you describe is why it will remain in my bag also. If I did not have so much invested in my manual focusing Zeiss lens I would remain with just the D850. Love your channel.
Cheers from the land-locked mid-west US.
You have a unique perspective being a user of both the D850 and Z7, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with both cameras. I think IBIS would be really handy for occasions when I don't mount the camera on the tripod. Thanks also for your positive feedback about the channel, I'm glad you enjoy the videos I create. I should point out I'm Australian but I really appreciate the sentiment! :)
@@Andrew_marr Oops. Sorry mate! :) Still a big fan....
@@Andrew_marr I shoot 90% on my tripod and even got a Kirk Enterprise L bracket for the Z7, but the real magic happens in those times when it is required to get the composition in an awkward angle where only hand held will do. With electronic shutter curtain as one of the menu items you can program and the IBIS you will find great satisfaction using the Z7. Both cameras have their +/-s. However, until Nikon takes mirrorless to the next level I will keep my D850.
Thanks and I love my d850
Just upgraded to the D810 with the Tamron 17-35 f2.8-4 and also really enjoying it. Must be one of the very few switching from years of using Sony mirrorless to a DSLR. This new setup is still expensive but offers so much bang for your buck in the used market.
Cheers Ray, the D810 is a great camera and I'm glad to hear you're enjoying shooting with it. The D810 will no doubt give you many year of fantastic service.
Have an a7riii for about 7 months now and most likely going back to nikon and the D850.
@@marcdaniele5305 can you give reasons why? Im planning to switch before christmas, but im still torned which one, sony or nikon. I'll use it for weddings. Thanks!
@@dropyvisuals4355 It's a really tough choice, and coming from Nikon, I actually had the D850 on back-order once it came out. But I got impatient and saw the a7riii was available and very comparable to the D850. With all the TH-cam hype and the fact I was thinking of also doing video, I felt it was a good choice. The sony's smaller size is awesome at events and weddings, but in low light, focusing is a pain unless you turn off the live view feature. The biggest thing for me is really the price of lenses, and I also like wildlife photography as a hobby and the Sony's just are not as capable and the lenses for that are even more $$. I'm still on the fence because I already have the Sony now and sold all my nikon glass and bodies, but I wish I stuck with Nikon and might be going back. There are so many more little reasons that just keep adding up to make me lean towards Nikon DSLR once more.
@@marcdaniele5305 thanks for sharing, i'll consider your opinion. I think i'll focus on lens line-up now on which is more favorable on what my budget permits. Cheers!
Thanks to your videos I will be picking up a D850 in 2019 as my permanent haha have had sony prior to this and have been looking for a real landscape machine and I believe this is it.
Great review Andrew! One question, what´s the nd filter combo that you use for your landscape work? Regards from Mexico!
I was thinking to trade in my D800 and upgrading to the D850.....This video helped me make my decision. Thank you.
Early days with my D850. Nice upgrade from my D750. Other than the obvious jump in resolution, its all those little improvements in usability and features that add up.
A balanced appraisal for sure. Almost have me switching, but I’ll wait for your z7 review or canon eosr 75mp
i got a pair , i love the fact i no longer need to edit my photos , the colours contrast overall image quality shooting wildlife , great cameras , even cropping is crazy
My next camera. Can’t wait to get it.
Thanks for the comment John. When are you planning on getting the D850?
@@Andrew_marr it may be a few month before I can get the money saved up. I wish the price would come down.
Andrew, I think you would really like the focus peaking feature in the d850. In order to use this feature the camera needs to be in live view mode in MANUAL focus and have focus peaking turned on. The display will then show faint red lines on what is in focus.
Thanks Andrew, informative and directed. Beautiful images too. I'm currently looking to upgrade to a full frame camera from my existing D7000 which has been wonderful as a first camera to get back into photography (not in any way professionally) but I think I've learnt enough now to realise its limitations. I expect I'll always do landscape photography but I also have a keen interest in portraits and street photography and, despite the rave reviews about the D850, I'm thinking maybe this is an ideal time to switch to the Sony A7R111. I was thinking it has essentially all the key features of the D850 but the SONY is more portable and I particularly like the eye autofocus capability. My stock of lenses (very few) would be of no use but not a consideration from a financial point of view. Any thoughts?
Thanks for the video. I shoot landscapes with a D750 but taking my time for an upgrade. Not convinced by all the mirrorless hype and do like the look of the D850.
Thanks Terry, yeah, I'm taking the same approach. Waiting for the mirrorless system to mature and iron out all the wrinkles. There will be plenty of time to jump. In the meantime, I'm quite happy shooting with what I have!
I really enjoyed this video, thanks.
Ive recently bought a D850....my last camera being a Zenit EM (I kid you not) back in 1980.
So, I'm now in posession of 'the camera I always wanted' and I'm starting out pretty much as a beginner again! :-) I have a lot to learn, I know this journey is going to be fun, and I was in an unusua and once onlyl position of being able to cut out all the in between cameras and go straight to this.
I have a plan and, as the saying goes, "You're a long time dead." So here we go!
Hey Alun, what a great story thanks for sharing. Check out some of my other videos, you may find them helpful. Best of luck with your journey and if you have any questions about the D850 or photography in general, let me know, and I'll help if I can! :)
I'm doing the same haha so, how you doing with the d850?
Hi Andrew. I found your review very informative. I do agree with all of your comments, having had my D850 for just over a year now. The only issues I find with the camera, are not being able to tilt the back screen when in portrait position. This is really frustrating as I love tilting in landscape position. The only other issue is the sensor is hyper sensitive to any motion. I find I have to double the reciprocal rule on all my lenses to have any chance of eliminating blur. Windy days are a real challenge. Having said that, I love the camera. Kindest regards. Robert.
Cheers Robert, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I must admit I can't workout why they designed a new 'moving' screen and didn't consider the fact that the camera would be positioned in portrait mode. It's a good point you make about needing to be careful with your technique to ensure there is no motion, the sensor will pick up any movement. Thanks again! :)
Agree, just purchased and all of the reviews reflect just how amazing this little camera is. There is nothing not to like! Still use a couple of D800's that are workhorses, digital V system blads and Sinar P2. The square format option being of interest amongst many of its additional features.
2 years late but i just brought a second hand d850 a couple of days ago, incredible camera. Nice set of images BTW.
Welcome to the D850, it's a great a camera that will no doubt provide you with years incredible photos, enjoy. Glad you liked the photos, thanks!
helpful video.
with Heaton indicating he was going to talk about 850 this week, it will be a busy week for Nikon.
Wow, is he really! That'll be interesting. Thanks for comment, glad to hear the video was helpful. :)
Dis is the camera I want I bough the D750 after huge effort though I'm hobbyist only.. those 45MG pixels must be amazing, I'm happy with my D750...
Great video
I upgraded from the D90 to the D850 and what an upgrade, found my images were not as good as the D90 in most cases, not all, until I started looking at TH-cam Videos on the D850 and learning how it is best used in situations for my photography, which is mainly landscapes and bird photography. Thanks for pointing out a few things on landscapes it was good to listen to.
Thanks Stuart, it's interesting to hear your upgrade story and the experience you've had with the D850, it is a fantastic camera. I upgrade from the D70 to the D800 (which was a big jump) before moving on to the D850. You're right getting to know your camera and what's best for different situations is key to capturing the best shots, cheers! :)
I ordered a D850 this week and supposed to get it tomorrow. I am also upgrading a D800
How exciting Dennis, it's always a special time when you get a new camera to play with, have fun getting to know it! 😀
as usual , you are so amazing and i love watching your video and enjoy it , for photo in 3:22 , what is shutter speed for this one? and also need to upload video how to processing such images.. thank you
Thanks Maen, I'm so happy to hear you enjoy the content on the channel. The image you refer to was a merge of a few different shutter speeds, from 1/3 to 4 seconds. I'm still planning on sharing videos of my editing process! :)
D810 user here, I've had a couple of hands on plays with the 850 and I'm definitely going to upgrade to it. I think Nikon's dynamic range capabilities are pretty hard to beat. :)
Wow, how did you resist keeping it after your hands on, haha. You're right, it's an amazing camera.
Sony A7R3/4 has better DR :)
THANK S FOR THE VIDEO.... AND BY THE WAY THE BACK GROUND… I LOVE AUSTRALIA .
I just upgraded to the D800, and was glad to hear that you didn't think the D810 was a necessary upgraded. I really like the D850, but it's well out of my budget.
Thanks for sharing your comment David, no doubt you know you have an incredible camera in the D800, cheers mate! 👍
Great video Andrew thanks for sharing. I upgraded to the D850 about the same time you did and I fully agree with all the points you make, the improvements you'd like to see and replies to the questions at the end.
Can I ask if you have any PP videos at all? I had a quick look but couldn't see any. If you were to consider making one, the images at 3:19 and 3:36 in this video would make a great subject. Nice work.
Excellent vid, superlative photos, and perfectly timed for me. Shoot with a D800E, and looking to upgrade to the D850. But as exciting as these times are they also bring a bit of trepidation. Stay with a DSLR or go mirrorless? Having a large investment in fast Nikon glass the jump to a Z6 or Z7 brings adaptors to the party with all their issues; that the 2 “Z” camera’s are not Pro intended (yet) further complicates things. Personally I believe Nikon should have developed and offered for sale an F mount version of both Z’s along side the new Z mount, I believe this would have swung some Nikon owners over to mirrorless, i.e. dipping a toe into the mirrorless waters without a huge investment. New Nikon buyers would tend to the new mount and lens which would make perfect sense, I and others (probably) have little inclination to replace existing expensive glass. Had they done so I’d be messing around with a Z6 as this is written to determine if I stay DSLR or change over to the inevitable. Thus I remain with finger hovering over the D850 buy button but hesitant to press it, frustrated in both my indecision and Nikons current mirrorless marketing strategy. That said absolutely loved your vid and slammed that subscribe button very quickly after watching it. Looking forward to more of your work. Cheers.
Hi Steve, I appreciate you sharing your views, and I think it's a struggle that many long-time Nikon powers like yourself are working through. I've also had similar thoughts, and you can see which direction I eventually took. I'm very happy with the investment I've made in the line up on lenses I have. As you point out as good as the 'Z' series is, I don't think they are quite there yet. I was more than happy to purchase the D850 a year it came out. Even though it was rumoured that the mirrorless cameras were coming out soon. I knew they weren't going to provide a mature system (cameras and lenses). This won't happen for a few years, in the meantime, I'm going to enjoy shooting with the D850 and will join the Nikon mirrorless party when what Nikon offers meets my needs. Good luck with your decision! :)
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Hi, nice video, just what I was looking for as I'm considering the D850, specifically for astro work, could I ask your recommendation for the best lens to pair with the D850 for astro, cheers
I would love it if someone independently checked this, but the quite lovely scene at 3:05 was taken at f/11. I believe that this introduces so much diffraction blur that the effective resolution of the image itself is somewhere below 20 megapixels, probably much below. I believe you when you say that printed images from the D850 are noticeably better than from a D800. I suspect that this is due to the D850 sensor’s excellent dynamic range as well as low noise rather than its pixel count.
I would also suggest that if you ever feel you really need to do exposure bracketing then do it by opening the aperture or increasing the shutter time rather than changing the ISO. In the camera, changing the ISO is just the equivalent of turning a volume control, or pushing the exposure slider in post processing.
All that said, thank you for the spectacular images!
Clearly I'm not independent, but at f11 you're not going to get much diffraction, this is only an issue when you get above f16.
Yes, large print looks amazing due to a lot of things like resolution, dynamic range plus the fact there is no AA filter (the D800 did have an AA filter the D800e did not).
I also think you misunderstood me when I exposure bracket I do use the shutter speed to vary the exposure. My point about changing the ISO was so I could keep the shutter speed below 3 secs while keeping the aperture the same.
Thanks for your comment!
@@Andrew_marr Thank you Andrew for replying to my comment. I really like your work and I am only trying to help you. I agree with everything you say except for the statement "at f11 you're not going to get much diffraction, this is only an issue when you get above f16". Simply stating something as a fact doesn't indeed make it a fact. I'm a bit long in the tooth, and spent decades shooting film. Back then, this was a good guideline. Your D850 is a technological wonder, as are many of the latest generations of digital cameras. All I am saying is that to use the power of these new cameras to the fullest, we might have to revisit some of the old assumptions that served us so well back in the old days.
By "independent" I meant that I hoped that someone with proper training in optics and digital camera design could shed some light on this issue. My background is mathematical physics, not camera sensor engineering. Like you, I care about resolution and that almost magical "pop" that Zeiss engineers call micro-contrast. I'm just afraid that to get this resolution we might have to use much lower f/numbers, which is going to make our depth of field problems even worse. Coping with limited depth of field is one of the things you have to deal with as a landscape photographer. Neither you nor me ought to have to worry too much about optics calculations.
In the hopes that someone qualified to make statements about optics and digital sensors reads this, here is an outline of my concerns: First, a sensor has a square grid of image "pixels". Each pixel is as wide as it is high and each contains at least 4 separate light buckets: one red, one blue, and two green. In the latest sensors there can be extra buckets for focusing. I am assuming that the details of each square pixel on the sensor are not relevant to this particular calculation. Given these assumptions, it is fairly easy to calculate the size of these grid rectangles given the size of the sensor and the number of megapixels. For instance, the D850 has a sensor size of approximately 24x36 mm and is covered with about 46 million pixels. The linear size of a D850 pixel is then about 4.3 micrometers. To a physicist this is a red (sic) flag, since this is only about 6 times the wavelength of red light. I believe that the film emulsion grains of the past were much larger.
Even the math-averse might want to look up "Airy disk" in Wikipedia, to see how diffraction blurs every point of light in an image. The center part of the pattern is a disk, which for red light is about 1.73 x f micrometers. So, most of the blur at f/11 is spread over a disk of about 20 micrometers, or over about 30 pixels on the sensor grid. Another rough guide is that the sensor is being operated at an effective resolution of about 3 megapixels, not 46. On a D850, to get the diffraction blur down to roughly the same as the pixel grid spacing you would have to keep the f/number below f/2.5. Ouch!
Anyway, these are at best rough guidelines and I am confident that good landscape photographers will find the new "sweet spot" for the latest lenses on the latest camera bodies. Myself, I'm trying to use lower f/numbers than I used to. I'm also less bothered by the idea of using a 24 megapixel full-frame sensor in situations where I need some depth of field.
Andrew, on the subject of exposure bracketing you are doing the right thing. I'm mostly cautioning that "changing the ISO" on a digital sensor does nothing for the signal-to-noise ratio. Many modern cameras have auto-bracketing which simply changes the ISO.
Hi this is a wonderful video! I am currently upgrading to this camera for the use of shooting yoga portrait and landscape photography! What lenses would you suggest for this kind of shooting? I do a lot of video shooting as well in which I am recording flow yoga so I need a lens that can capture as much detail in the landscape as well as the subject! Thank you for your help!
I saw one TH-cam review that said the D850 focused better with the grip that you can buy for $1000. I noticed you don't have the grip option on your D850. Do you use the grip for the D850? Thank you, great review and beautiful photos.
I would love to upgrade but the zeros on the price tag are just too much for me to justify. Have you tried doing side by side exposures with the older model and/or the X-T3? It would be interesting to see the files close up for comparison - there have been a couple of vlogs this week about not needing top ranking megapixels but none have shown the actual difference. I have a micro four thirds camera, a crop sensor DSLR and a full frame DSLR. I keep meaning to do some side by side comparisons. Maybe you could do some and share. Keep up the good work Andrew.
Cheers Steve, yeah the price is high. particularly here in Australia. I've been meaning to do a side by side comparison of say the X-T3 and D850 to test the difference between crop and full frame. I imagine there's a difference but it'll depend on how hard you look. Thanks for your support Steve! :)
The Nikon D810 was the beginning of the landscape beasts and the D850 is the monster..I ended up getting the Pentax K1Mk2,because the D850 was outside of my pockets at the time.I would skip right past mirrorless and easily get the Nikon D850,then maybe deal with the Z6.This camera is probably last or close to the last great,full frame DSLRs.I have seen it in action,with one lens,flash,and trigger,from a professional shooter who came to do a shoot for the company I work with.I met a young guy when I went to New Orleans,and a client gave him a D850,and the images out of camera were breathtaking..If I had the money,i would get three of them,to make sure i have at least one in 5-10 years...
Thanks Michael for sharing your thoughts. Nikon has certainly done well with the D850. It'll be hard to top. All manufacturers of full-frames offer amazing cameras; it's a great time to be a photographer, spoilt for choice. The K1Mii is a very nice camera, producing beautiful results, a friend of mine has this camera. Thanks again for your comment! :)
Tnx for this review! I use the D850 for about 1,5 year and have more or less the same experience you have. Right now I'm thinking about buying a Fiji XT-3 as a lighter camera besides the D850. How do you think about the comparison of those two camera's? I had a D7200 as second camera but didn't use it much because the quality was much less then the D810 I had at that time as well... Thanks on beforehand for your response!!
Thanks for the amazing video. I am planning on upgrading form D7000 to D850. I have my favourite 18-300 DX lens with me. How much of an impact would I have with this lens on the D850?
I'm thinking about upgrading to the Nikon Z7 as I travel a fair bit and am concerned about carry-on weight allowances. I'm heading to Australia for the month of Feb 2020. Qantas only allows 7kg carry-on so I want to keep the weight down as much as possible. My 70-200mm f2.8 is pretty heavy so I was considering leaving this lens at home. The 24-70mm f4 Kit lens has some good review and in nice and light. What lens would you use Andrew to photograph Uluru? Looking forward to your review of the Z7.
Have you shot any action with the D850? I´m currently on Fuji X-H1 but i don´t like how the noise looks at higher iso. The D850 seems too have much better detail at higer isos. Thanks for a great video.
Nice job Andrew!! Hey , have you used any manual focus lenses on the D850 ?? I’m a long time film photographer with a lot of very nice manual focus lenses. What do you think of manual focus lenses on the D850 thank you Andrew ...Shawn Carroll
Thanks much for the review. I agree with most everything you said. I have been using the D850 for several months and have been duly impressed. One question I have for you--do you still use the 17-35 with the 850? I have owned a 17-35 in the past and loved the images from it. Have read several comments that the 17-35 is too old of a lens to use on the 850. In other words, the 850 exposes flaws in the 17-35 design that hurt the images made with it. Do you agree with that or are you still happy using the 17-35 on the 850? Thank you.
From my use, I still like the results I get from the 17-35 on the D850. You are always going to have a weak link somewhere along the line. Before the D850 came along the weak link was the sensor of the D800/D810, the lens could have created a 'better' image but the limitation was of the cameras 36Mp. Now the sensor has been upgraded, the lens is the weakest link. Looking at it another way, if you were happy with the results of the 17-35mm on the D800/D810, You 'll be happy with the results with the lens on the D850.
I fixing to jump from a D7100 to the D850 so my changes should be somewhat dramatic. I can't see any sense in getting anything less for right now by purchasing a jump camera then end up going to the 850 simply to save a few bucks I figure it will cost me more in the long run so might as well get the best! Thank you for your video it helped me make my decision!
Hi Andrew. Love your channel. What is your preferred settings doing focus stacking on the D850 capturing your style of photography? And what is your preferred software for post processing your focus stacking? Thanks :-)
Thanks Pål, appreciate the kinds words. Depends a little of the scene, but my goto settings are Focus steps width - 4, Exposure smoothing - ON, Silent photography - ON
I use Photoshop to merge the stacked images - I did a quick video on processing a Focus Stack image - th-cam.com/video/wUonmdWvurY/w-d-xo.html
I enjoyed your latest vlog as always. Thank you for sharing. I have a quick technical question to ask you since you shoot Nikon. I have the D750 which I primarily use for landscape photography and the D500 for my wildlife photography. On my D750 I use mainly the Nikorr 14-24mm but as you know you cannot use any filters unless you get a specific adapter kit. Can you please recommend the best filter kit that will accommodate a polarizer and ND filters on the 14-24mm? Which one do you use? Also what will be the best Nikkor lense for landscape not as wide as the 14-24mm? Thank you.
LEE Filters UK make Adaptors for the 14/24 mm lens, expensive but the best.
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Thanks very much Muhammad! :)
Thank you for the review. i have waited to the price drop which has now happen. Question, What lenses would you recommend for landscape photography. Thank you
Thanks Ben, yeah the prices are pretty good at the moment. If you shoot seascapes the 17-35 and 16-35 are both excellent lenses.
You also raved about the X-T3. Which one would you keep if you had to choose just one
so is the video footage of this video Fuji or the D850? I'm guessing Fuji since you are showing the Nikon as you talk about it but can you please confirm? Thank you. Great video!
I am just a hobbiest obsessed with photography and getting the best picture. I also own a D500 that I use for grandkids sporting events. I am looking at the 850 for the additional low light capabilities for MilkyWay shoots etc... My passion is really shooting nature, landscapes and wildlife. I recently retired from my day job and planning to do a lot more traveling. What do yo think? Will I love the upgrade to the 850?
I am seriously thinking of upgrading to the D850, I have 2 D810s and do a lot of aviation photography
Hi Andrew, What brand and model of ball head are you using with the d850 AND ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT?
Great review man. Was that the 17-35mm 2.8 i saw on there?....how have “older” lenses treated you on the ultra-high MP count of the D850? I’ve heard that “older” lenses will cause blurred images b/c they can’t resolve what the new high MP sensors are capable of. What’ve your experiences been with this? Thx!
Thanks Jake, Yes that's the 17-35mm I find that it's great on the D850. It's not so much that it'll be blurred, but that the full resolution of the sensor my not be utilised. As technology improves, this is always going to happen. In every system, either the lens is going to resolve sharper than the sensor or the sensor is going resolve sharper than the lens. In the end it's all sharp! 😊
@@Andrew_marr Cool man...yeah, so much about this on the interwebs...a gets a bit confusing. It seems from some of these posts that like a too-high MP camera is going to give you less-sharp images or something. I'm going back and forth between the D750/780 or the D850....just wanna make sure the high MPs aren't somehow a downgrade with not-so-new lenses. Anyway...thx
I love your video so much and how you think of the camera and the landscape. Do you think it is worthy buying a d850 in 2019? I don't have any nikon products before.
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Hi Zexin, this is a tough question! It will depend a little on how quickly you want to upgrade. Given you don't own Nikon gear, you could argue that entering into the DSLR world with any camera system is starting your journey with a system that has a time limit. Perhaps wait for the mirrorless systems to mature and decide then which camera system best suits your needs. The alternative argument is that the D850 is still the best full frame camera on offer and there is still plenty of years left of the Nikon system.
Not an easy decision but it's an excellent time to into cameras. Think of it this way...I don't you can make the wrong choice, there are plenty of fantastic camera and lenses on offer.
Hope that helps! :)
Cheers, I get the music from Epidemic Sound, I include the details of the music in the last line of the description! :)
Hi Andrew, what tripod do you lug around, any recommend? Great review video,thanks
Thanks for your question, I currently use an Induro Tripod and really enjoy it. I'd recommend Induro they are tough and easy to use.
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Hey Andrew, how you doing? Look, I've been saving some money to buy my D850 but atm all glass I can buy is the 50mm 1.8 FX, do you think I'll be Fine with it until I buy my Sigma 35mm? Thanks!