First Round of PLASMA 6 Features & Changes!
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IMO the thing that would improve plasma looks and the feeling of "beegin polished" the most is a new design for all of the icons. A design which would use consistent width of lines. Current design is all over the place, some icons are very thin and some feel much heavier if that makes any sense. I know this is a lot of work, but this is THE thing that make plasma look unpolished imo.
@@BobDevV this
@@BobDevV another thing is that there are just soooo many icons, redesigning them all would take forever, and I sincerely doubt anyone wants to work on a single icon set for 2 decades
I also think KDE needs to make greater use of colorless symbolic icons. Compare the icons used by Gnome in settings and the icons used by KDE in settings. Gnome icons are much simpler, colorless. Whereas KDE tries to fit a lot of detail into them (but the icons are too small to appreciate the detail) and look rather dated too.
@@lootria there's alot of icon themes that do that
@@AndRei-yc3ti yes but none of them ship by default
2:26 I think the reason is that a lot of us users are used to using double-click for either launching something/viewing an image/listening to audio, or going inside a folder and single-click is just for selecting stuff.
I use a click to select and then Enter to open. Click to select is the ideal, as you can rename by clicking and pressing F2, click and delete, click and press enter to enter. Click to open is problematic, and the argument of "double the clicks to navigate" doesn't apply, I personally never click twice to open, it's click + enter for me.
@@softwarelivre2389 To each their own, I guess. For me, I find 2 clicks faster than shifting my other hand to the enter key whenever I want to do something other than selecting, because the default position of my other hand is near the WASD keys and I don't need to take off my hand on the mouse to press enter on the numpad.
Single clicks are better when using a laptop tho, I think.
@@softwarelivre2389 I've done this, I mapped one of my mouse keys to enter and use that after clicking to select. especially if i click on the wrong thing, i don't have to hit back, scroll, then click the correct thing. It's just ready to re-select.
thanks to the plasma community for providing one the best desktop environment using it for like 3 years now
not 3 years but forever. even kde 4 was better then gnomes and other nonsense
I click on scrollbars all the time, especially when they highlight matches e.g. when finding text. Happy to see this change coming!
KDE 6 is fantastic! Alt+tab is a revelation! Thanks and Congratulations to Nicco and the entire Plasma team!
Double click is better, fight me.
I will not - my workflow is often to select multiple files in a folder, click to select is the only configuration where that workflow is usable.
@@guss77 how does it differ between single click and double click? Selecting multiple files should be exactly the same in both, the only difference being selecting only one file
@@nikkehtine I don't use rubber banding - I select files one by one. Rubber banding only makes sense when selecting groups of files that are near each other and even then only in icon view, not "list" or "details"
I'll fight you; double-click is for grandmas just learning how to use a computer. Single-click is the default on Android and iOS, which is what younger folks are used to. Single-click is way faster, also.
@@guss77 That's not the norm though, that's a very specific use case, also, you can just hold ctrl and do it.
something that kde could improve on is the use of whitespaces. right now everything either has too much whitespace or too little (sometimes none)
you can clearly see this in things like the settings app, the app has sections where most of the space is unused and has tiny stuff on the center of the screen or the screen is completely filled
this is an issue with almost the entire desktop and I hope you would fix it in this release or slowly tweak it and improve it in the upcoming ones
also softer borders everywhere should probably be considered (midly rounding them would greatly reduce how aggressive everything looks)
yeah, I still feel text lines are cramped and that text alignment/positioning is a bit all over the place.
Why the fixation with rounded corners?
@@bionic-beaver they just look better than straght angles. they're easier on the eyes and less agressive. also I'm not talking about big rounded borders, I'm just talking about rounded borders, whether they opt for smaller or bigger rounded border is a stylistic choice (and big rounded borders are just a trend now but idrc for that)
@Flan Poirot They don't though. Besides, Plasma is customizable. If you want rounded corners, just change the settings for yourself (or move to GNOME or macOS or Windows 11)?
@@DanCojocaru2000 the video is talking about possible changes to the defaults, that's why I'm making the suggestion. if they disagree they don't have to do it and if you're so opposed to it u can deactivate it too, we're talking about improving defaults that satisfies the most amount of people and possibly attracts new users, whether I or you like it is another story
Double clicking by default - I think most people prefer it because it allows you to select a single item easily. It might also prevent occasional mis-clicks.
Clicking on the scroll bar - I do prefer to use the mouse wheel in most cases, but I also encounter really, really long documents or lists sometimes and the standard method of scrolling can take a long time to get to where you want. Clicking to go instantly to a spot in a long document actually makes a lot of sense. Occasionally you also get a poorly designed application that has a terrible time detecting scroll wheel events properly, ignores them in certain contexts, or scrolls too fast or too slow.
Scrollwheel is a double ended sword because shockingly a lot of mice degrade in the wheel over time and the inputs get fucked. It's not a driver issue, it's a hardware issue.
Maybe that's just me though.
A tante cose ci eravamo abituati ormai, mi fa piacere che gli sviluppatori si siano resi conto di tutto quello che non andava. La nuova versione promette molto molto bene. Unica cosa che mi piacerebbe vedere di nuovo in plasma 6 è una modifica a breeze per la quale si possa scegliere la trasparenza con blur non solo sui menu ma sull'intero sfondo delle applicazioni qt. Un selettore di trasparenza per i menu (già esistente) , ma anche un selettore di trasparenza per le finestre tipo dolphin. Sarebbe fantastico.
I miss one little thing to make Plasma great. In the taskbar, the icon option "Never combine taskbar buttons" just like in Windows 10 or Mint Cinnamon.
Wow ++ on the production quality! Nice going Nicco!
Niccolo. I'd just like to say thanks to you and the whole kde community. Keep up the good work and thank you very much :)
Nicco, one of the things that I would like to see implemented on KDE 6 and are a must now is making global shortcuts work on Wayland. That would improve functionality for people who have OBS hotkeys to change scenes, for example. Another nice thing would be making the Plasma lock screen default to the picture being used by SDDM unless the user goes and change the lock screen image themselves.
Hopefully you see these suggestions and pass on to other developers if you find something interesting, cheers!
EDIT: fixed some mistakes
yeah thats a big gripe with wayland for me too. it seems to also run a bit slower for me.
I was Windows user for a long time so I was used to double click everything to open, but then I tried single click on Plasma and discovered that it's so much better and faster
Single click is the best. Except on gnome, where you don't have any buttons to just select a file or folder
I really like your suggestion about picking the main colors of the wallpaper as an option to set the windows theme.
It's an option I discovered very recently when switching to GrapheneOS on my phone and it's been surprisingly effective to have a coherent environment.
Hopefully you can manage to push for this option with more time :)
The option already exists and I use it from time to time. It was just discussed to make it the default option.
love your videos keep up the good work!
great release, thank you.
Thanks for all your work on floating panels 😊
Seems like a better default to me. I would also add a scrollbar overlay, rounded windows at bottom. And the main features that would make all the difference in Plasma: LIM and HUD.
Just a big Thank You! Have been a KDE End User since 3.0
explaining this is really really helpful .. thank you. it gives views into the thought that is going into the design. thank you very much it helps me be patient 🤩
If you often mark more than one folder, for copiing or deleting it, than singleclick is a core to work with.
But I really want to thank you for sharing KDE/Plasma developement insides, which is absolutly fascinating. ;)
clicking on scrollbars is really imp when u are reading large pdfs and wanna jump around, I use it a lot
Gratz!! I came from DioLinux from Brazil!!
The GNOME style overview effect makes me really excited! That'a basically the only thing from GNOME that I've been missing from Plasma. Great job! :D
Well not bad, excellent work!
I hope that Plasma 6 will come with new, fresh standard look. I don't like Plasma 5 outdated look and honestly I always start with customization. But newcomers or ppl interested in switching from WIndows or other DE see only default setting. And that needs to be more appealing.
True. Plasma 5 doesn't look bad, but needs a refresh
This is why these two changes proposed by Niccolo and reject by the developers (tint the window and use the accent color based on wallpaper by default) would be great.
Each distro would start with a nice visual difference, even using the default Plasma's configuration. Users would feel like they wallpaper was not only a image that stays hidden behind their windows, but would feel like it's now a important part for their system's appearance too.
Anyway, I can't say that I am not happy with the most of the changes, I think that they are doing a lot of good choices, but at the same time I feel like they are not taking some good steps forward related to the appearance due their "pragmatism" .
I think new set of icons would make it look much more appealing.
The features are amazing
The hover over title bar coloring looked good. Hope your idea comes back.
The exact location of the scroll bar on click, HUGE WIN!!!
Massively improved video quality! 💯
Can't wait to try it, i feel like i might actually stick with it this time ^^
Good to see kde getting caught up to more modern-looking DE like pantheon
Plasma 6 needs a major visual overhaul. It hasn't really changed at all since 2014 when Plasma 5 came out, and I think to make it more appealing, a new one is needed. Especially a new main font and a new standard iconset. Gnome 4x looks way better in this field.
This is why i chose Plasma ! 🎉🎉
Thx 👍
There are so many reasons why you'd want to click a file without executing it. The most simple and obvious is avoiding annoyances from misclicking. Double click exists for very good reasons.
I really love what was done to accent colors, it is exalty what was needed to spice KDE desktop.
I hope it'll break the old, bad impressions from years ago for some people!
I'm glad about a lot of these fixes! I hope that these changes in KDEP6 will let me use the floating panel and Wayland (and others, but mostly those) without unacceptable problems!
I absolutely hate single click. I thought it was just me.
Super excited about the new overview. Can’t wait to have that and still also be able to drag a window to a new desktop. It’s also awesome that you can add more desktops by just clicking the plus icon. These two major features are some of the few things I actually really liked about Windows 10.
good job
Oh, you were in germany. Nice. I could have come there ;-;
Your insistance was successful - i just switched to single click to give it another try ;)
Last time i tried using it was several years ago, so let's see if it (or my mind) has changed enough to convince me ^^
I stuck with click to open because it was the default on Plasma and will probably continue with it in Plasma 6. I've found it easier then trying to rapidly click twice over and over when I want to drill down a folder structure for example.
It's great to see the grid task selection becoming the default. I like it better than the other task selectors because it shows more information.
Been using KDE since version 2.0, tried out Gnome & Xfce but always cme back to KDE Plasma, it's the best. Looking forward to version 6 for sure! Thanks Nico and all others!
Love it
I love floating panel!!!
I will probably installed plasma when this comes out
Lots of improvements
The best thing I ever heard xD We don't do stuff randomly. I wish all other DE do the same.
Finally a thinner defloated panel.
I think the main reason double-click prevails is because it offers a less effortful way to begin selecting multiple items. I don't have to fish for a checkbox or drag to select which can be sloppy. In addition a lot of people like to "stage" what they are about to do without doing it immediately. I might select a file without opening it in order to show someone something ("take a look at this file" or "you want me to open this file?"). It's useful for demonstration. In other words, double-click gives the user more options, makes them feel safer by not being able to accidentally open something, and decreases the overall resistance of multi-select. Whereas double-clicking itself might be seen as a resistance to opening a file, it is not seen that way as everyone is used to it and they can all do it rapidly. In addition, managing files is MORE COMMON THAN OPENING THEM!
I like the new task switcher
"who even clicks on scrollbars anymore", probably a lot more people than you think. Related note, I really like the preview scrollbar in Kate (not to suggest it as a standard KDE scrollbar), and I often have multiple projects open in Kate, so switching windows with thumbnails is absolutely better in that case then just icons.
I love the KDE community, have been using Plasma for a few years now, and it is hands-down the best desktop environment I have ever used!
Something I would like to see improved is the high-dpi and on-screen keyboard support.
I recently got a high-dpi touchscreen computer and even the latest KDE Neon was riddled with scaling inconsistency (even after adjusting the global window scale), and Maliit-keyboard (the only DE-integrated board I could find) didn't properly open up at the right times, would leave context menus up from closed or minimized windows, etc. I didn't want to do it, but I now use GNOME on that device and everything worked/scaled perfectly out of the box with it. I just hope to be able to see that level of support for edge cases like this from KDE as well soon.
Super excited for KDE 6! ❤️
Good stuff! Have you ever thought about implementing hiding the panel when windows are touching it; a.k.a. intellihide?
Since KDE 5.27 im using KDE again. Thanks for making KDE so great. Before KDE 5.27 came out I used trinity which is basically KDE 3.5 which I loved so much. I'm curious about Plasma 6 but I think I will customize it to what I am using right now
Counterpoint: floating panel vertically left-aligned. The home button is where it has been forever, at the bottom left corner, and the clock is at a very visible corner in the top-left.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a button on the panel that activates the overview, like the button to show the desktop. It would be nice to discover the functionality without having to learn the hotkeys or if you don't have a trackpad.
The way the overview works is totally annoying and very disruptive. I almost never want it, and it is just a continual aggravation. It's something that happens to me, not something I want or that I can actually control.
Man, this bright accent color looks amazing 🤩
So sad they changed for more muted colors 😢
I wish we can choose between them.
Floating Panel:
I kinda like it, but I don't think there are more people who wants to go back to the old fixed panels. Since distros cater mainly for users incoming from Windows, I doubt that they'll keep it and not override the defaults.
Double Click by Default:
This is the first thing I do on a desktop whenever I reinstall my OS and it goes to single click by default. However, there is reason for this. It has to do with how users use their system. Are they going to use a mouse/trackpad? Are they using a touchscreen?
For mouse or trackpad, single click to select and double click to open makes sense. An extreme lot of users are used to this behaviour and again, thanks to Windows and macOS. Changing this will come as a shock to all the muscle memory that people have developed over all these years. I'm using a computer since 2001 and I'm deeply used to this behaviour too.
For touchscreens, thanks to smartphones, we are used to open with a single tap and select with a press and hold gesture. So again, this is the muscle memory for a lot of users with touch screen, so challenging muscle memory will cause users to try to look for an option to change it or look for a different DE or an OS altogether.
Wayland by Default:
I appreciate this change. Personal anecdote here, I've been using Wayland on KDE since last Jan with an NVIDIA card. I've got two displays, one 1080p and one 4K and both are working great for me. There were issues but pretty minor ones that I learned to ignore. Compared to X11, I get different refresh rates support in Wayland and better colour profiles, which I appreciate.
Accent-Coloured titlebar by Default:
While I liked the idea, I'm a little bit skeptical about this. For example, as an Android Developer I use Android Studio quite a lot. If I have a dark mode but a wallpaper that has green as primary colour, it might look a little odd on this. By the way, what will happen if people doesn't use Breeze but go with a different theme or window decorations?
New Default Task Switcher:
I appreciate this one. Although now-a-days I'm relying on thumbnails from taskbar instead of Alt-Tabbing if there are multiple windows. Would be a great time save as at times I'll be having three different Firefox instances.
Scrolling on Desktop to switch them, off by default:
I totally appreciate it. I don't know who got this idea in the first place, but I spent almost a week trying to find this setting and disable it. Can you also disable scrolling on the taskbar to switch desktops by default?
Clicking on the Scrollbar:
I don't care much about this either. It's been a pretty long while since I interacted with scrollbars anyways.
New Overview:
Honestly when you first made the video about new overview, I'm like whyy?? But at the end, I liked it. Btw, can you give it the ability to reorder desktops by dragging the desktops? That'd make it much much easier.
Less Updates:
You kinda broke my heart as a user here, but I understand as a fellow developer who's actively trying to change our release cycle from once a week to once every two weeks in our company. I hear ya here.
Wallpaper settings page:
I agree with this one as well.
Thanks for making Kool Desktop Environment a Kooler Desktop Environment Niccolo!
Nice Video I'm excited for Plasma 6! One thing I would really love to see is the integration of full dynamic window tiling support. There are the two main user kwin scripts "Kröhnkite" and "Bismuth" but both of them seem to be abandoned. Especially when Plasma 6 will use Wayland as a default. Afaik there is no working extension for KDE Wayland right now. Do you know anything about this?
Yay! Alas click and move to clicked position on a scrollbar is default.
+1 for the double click. -1 for the new scrollbar behavior. As long as the defaults can be changed, all is good. Freedom of choice for all..
Nice!
The colored window idea would be a cool feature, especially if it works with shuffling desktop backgrounds.
I know you like single click. But I will often select things just to highlight them. Its very helpful when you have a lot of files in a folder.
I am sad to know that they didn't accept to tint the window and use accent color based on wallpaper by default. 😮💨
I am 100% sure that most of the users would find this awesome.
I'm sure it works for a lot of people but I don't. But plasma is customizable
I'm sure it works for a lot of people but I don't. But plasma is customizable²
Okay Nicco, I'll switch back to single click. I'll give it a chance.
Thanks Nicco! Looking forward to 6 it is looking more like a cohesive professional polished OS. I for one liked your vision of the accent colors. At least make it an optional selection. It can be a pain adjusting everything individually. I liked the look of the entire window using the colors a bit muted.
It is already an option, has been so for atleast 3 releases now.
@@kavinunethsarakoswattage3516 Good to know, I will look into that.
Yet still no ability to adjust transparency manually and use blur in the app area. Nice changes still, thank you as always for everything you're doing!
Idk why theirs such a big debate on single click or double click, I personally love double click as it gives you a second if you want to run something or not, it also just makes wanting to select a file easier.
Like yeah, for certain workflows single click might be slightly faster, but at the end of the day double click in my opinion is better. As it prevents users from accidentally running programs / opening files when they just wanted to select them, or changed their mind. Which has personally happened to me way to often.
I was personally annoyed and confused why when I first installed KDE on arch it was opening crap by default, I thought I was doing something wrong, but nope. Turns out it was just enabled by default!
Im glad they're making this change, and I know some people will argue "But what about less then 1% of the population which need this". Which in that case, just enable it in the options...
Its just more user friendly to have a universal action being the double click (which is the standard) default.
Double-click by default is a good change if for no other reason than users expect it. I've tried to use it but it just never worked for me in the past. I found it frustrating, and between that and there being something I didn't like about keyboard navigation in Dolphin I ended up doing most of my file management in the terminal because it worked better. That's a sad state to be in.
It's been long enough that I don't even remember what it was that frustrated me so much, but the Dolphin flatpak works great now even with the single click. So I guess whatever problems I had with it have been ironed out.
I like the new default task switcher as well. Definitely an upgrade there.
Same with Wayland by default, as long as all the worst bugs get fixed. Sounds like you guys are on the right path there as well.
Also jump to location on clicking scrollbars is a good change. I don't click scrollbars often, but when I do that is the behavior I expect.
Like many others, I do wish the icons would change. Personally I miss the old 3.5 icons.
The debate about double click vs single click select is very similar to Blender's debate about left click vs right click select.
Maybe a compromise of the number of clicks can be built into KDE (or any OS). Double click to open folder, single click to launch the app.
I am from the Commodore days and first GUI was on the Atari ST. Double click was default to be able to not launch anything by accident.
Sometimes you would click and before the second click realize it was the wrong thing and stop yourself from the 2nd click and so the app (or whatever) would not launch.
If it was single click by extension, that would help too since you want to launch apps, and some extensions, but not launch other things.
Just a thought. Good with either direction it goes. Just a matter of muscle memory. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next release.
I experimented with Kubuntu last night and I managed to set everything to my liking in about 10 minutes - in contrast to about 1 year ago, which took way longer. I've only used KDE twice, and no longer than 1 week. So props to the team to making everything easier to manage. I might switch from gnome to KDE in the near future, but I worry about how everything will run since I have an Nvidia card, and live mode is not indicative of how it will run when installed. It did run fine in live mode though...Even from a USB.
Edit: switched to KDE. Accent colors? damn, the default theme might actually be usable now.
I’ve tried the single click to open for months now. I just can’t do it. I’m really glad it will still be an option for those who prefer it though. I wouldn’t want to take that away from anyone.
Nicco, will Plasma 6 have rounded corners, blur translucency and floating dialogs and elements by default?
The new start bar scares me. I use wayland and i love the kde dev on it. Fixed alot of bugs. I love kde group though so i hope for more positive things to come!
the new overview looks great. I just upgraded to KDE 6 on Fedora 40. I don't find any description of how to access the overview however. Where is it documented? What trackpad, mouse or keyboard shortcuts does one use? Great work Nicco! AHA! I think I found it (on laptop anyway) - mouse pointer to top left hand corner.
13:05 I see what you did there 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the window tinting features looks lovely! although i would appreciate a slider to choose how much of it i want.
also, how viable would it be to enable full screen zoom shortcuts by default? looks like a nice to have feature that i really use often and i think other people might enjoy it too.
You should take some inspiration from thunar. They have the option that hovering over the file/folder selects it after a certain delay. So double click to open becomes single click, and single click to select becomes zero click.
6:09 i'm pretty sure i have that exact Arcane wallpaper in my collection of wallpapers (currently 906)
I think there should be some options for the floating panel, like defloat when window hovers or accepting click from the border.
Is Plasma able to do glass effect for the taskbar and menu yet? I used to use KDE with Compton as a lightweight compositor. When Compton was running, it turned the taskbar and menu into black glass, and combined with a great wallpaper, it was the single most beautiful desktop I had ever used. I haven't been able to replicate the same look with KDE's current tools and effects (though I haven't used the latest versions), but if we could replicate that look, I think the desktop theme would wow many people and win new fans.
n.e.a.t.
+10 to every single proposed change, I so resonate with them..
..but: where are the floating plasma dialogues by default?!
All of these features are great but I'd just like to be able to easily change the colour of the taskbar. Even windows gets this one right. Hopefully i can look forward to this soon. :)
New task switcher looks sexy af
A big addition will be adding panel's option to be shown only in the new overview .
I have ventured the lands of plasma 6 before anyone knew about it
I like the color tinting idea, but I do agree on not having it as default. As someone who changed Android phones over material you, I don't want my system picking colors for me as they can sometimes pick a pretty ugly color.
I love the desktop environment and it's my daily driver, but can Plasma allow configuring the spacing in some of the applets? Example, the calendar in the time applet is abaolutely huge for my screen, which is 1366x768, or the new kickoff menu is very large as well, with a lot of space not being used.
Thanks a lot for a video. Can I just as about any plans to implement HUD (search in window menu, like it was in Unity)?
Double click to open folders is the way to go! And is "Thumbnail grid" switcher a non-standard switcher I have installed? pretty much looks exactly like big icons but with preview
Single click for decades 😍
For the new overview, is it possible to customize the gesture? I prefer 3 fingers so that would be cool to have. I will switch immediately to KDE, currently on Gnome if that is implemented!
Can the panel autohide be changed to only hide the panel when a window covers the panel, similar to popos or at least have this functionality as an option.
I switched to single-click when mentioned here a few weeks back, but with this "announcement", I've immediately switched back. Just couldn't get on with it in Dolphin.
Aside from the floating panel (just doesn't affect me due to solid black wallpaper and mostly using maximized windows) and title bar tinting (nearly black anyway), all fits for me.
Thanks for the info, Nicco. 😘