i graduated with class 71-02 at randolph afb a couple years after max corder, and concur with his observations. i remember two ship sorties as much more intense and exhilarating than this clip reflects. we were in tight and often from day one. i don't remember even talking about a position for 'loose' formations. i flew an ils approach in the clouds on wing, and the time we spent trying to loose each other in simulated 'dogfights' are among my fondest memories. the program has been watered down, and currently being restructured to where many graduates will never even fly max performance machines.
I believe the position is called “loose route”, or maybe “loose enroute”, and was a formation that could be used for cross country flight where pilots could reduce the intensity of concentration required for close formation. There’s also a “combat spread” formation where all eyes can be available for looking for threats. If you’re flying a single seat fighter such as a 105 headed from Korat or Tahkli to N Vietnam, there’s no reason for tight formation except for weather until you get into the target area. Then you tighten it up.
As a USAF pilot who graduated in class 69-05, I find the position reference for formation in these black T-38's confusing. I didn't appear to me that #2 was ever in position and stabilized. But, maybe that wasn't their objective. The white T-38's in UPT had the large emblem with the stripes and star in the center. This emblem was in front of the wing on the side of the fuselage so it made it pretty simple to just superimpose the wing tip in the center of the star and keep it there. That maintains perfect position and gives you instant feedback.
Looking at the flash this is an adversary talon out of langley. Also based on the fact that the IP is in the front seat (if you even wanna call him an IP) I doubt this is a UPT sortie. By the sound of the convo between the pilot and the backseater it sounds like this is an incentive ride or fam flight maybe.
Air Force T-38 adversary air squadrons still use the T-38A (steam gauges) because theres no need for costly upgrades, they only use these for the sole purpose of posing as ad air
Because the real world isn't Hollywood. Trust me - trying to maneuver a T-38 for the first time in fingertip is like trying to balance a squid on top of a jellyfish in a bowl full of snot. It's far from boring.
@@kevinwarren3998 1400 hours in the Talon and counting. I’m just saying I’m sure there were more exciting parts of this sortie than talking about route and fingertip
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That backseat was my office for 3 years, 1993-96.
i graduated with class 71-02 at randolph afb a couple years after max corder, and concur with his observations. i remember two ship sorties as much more intense and exhilarating than this clip reflects. we were in tight and often from day one. i don't remember even talking about a position for 'loose' formations. i flew an ils approach in the clouds on wing, and the time we spent trying to loose each other in simulated 'dogfights' are among my fondest memories. the program has been watered down, and currently being restructured to where many graduates will never even fly max performance machines.
I believe the position is called “loose route”, or maybe “loose enroute”, and was a formation that could be used for cross country flight where pilots could reduce the intensity of concentration required for close formation. There’s also a “combat spread” formation where all eyes can be available for looking for threats. If you’re flying a single seat fighter such as a 105 headed from Korat or Tahkli to N Vietnam, there’s no reason for tight formation except for weather until you get into the target area. Then you tighten it up.
As a USAF pilot who graduated in class 69-05, I find the position reference for formation in these black T-38's confusing. I didn't appear to me that #2 was ever in position and stabilized. But, maybe that wasn't their objective. The white T-38's in UPT had the large emblem with the stripes and star in the center. This emblem was in front of the wing on the side of the fuselage so it made it pretty simple to just superimpose the wing tip in the center of the star and keep it there. That maintains perfect position and gives you instant feedback.
Looking at the flash this is an adversary talon out of langley. Also based on the fact that the IP is in the front seat (if you even wanna call him an IP) I doubt this is a UPT sortie. By the sound of the convo between the pilot and the backseater it sounds like this is an incentive ride or fam flight maybe.
Wingtip in the star . . . brings back memories (class of 72-01)
Awesome stuff👍✈️
Awesome! Makes me wish I was a FAIP/21 y.o. again, lol.
Excellent !
Nice 👍
This is 2016 video. What part of the fleet is still using steam gauges and why?
Air Force T-38 adversary air squadrons still use the T-38A (steam gauges) because theres no need for costly upgrades, they only use these for the sole purpose of posing as ad air
John Stein Thank you!
Noting wrong with “steam gauges”. They sufficed in WWII, Korea & Vietnam, plus training thousand of pilots who had never flown an airplane. Like me.
71st ?
How did you get to do this?? Was this part of OPS AF from AFROTC? I'm also in AFROTC hopefully doing OPS AF this summer
just curious what youre doing now
@@FullFrost16 ha. That was a long time ago. About to start UPT now
@@wandervision69 im about to finish the 38 track at Laughlin. Best of luck it sucks big dick haha
I find this kind of boring. why not film some aerobatics or some formation maneuvering?
Because the real world isn't Hollywood. Trust me - trying to maneuver a T-38 for the first time in fingertip is like trying to balance a squid on top of a jellyfish in a bowl full of snot. It's far from boring.
Try balancing a marble on an upside down bowl while riding a unicycle.
@@kevinwarren3998 1400 hours in the Talon and counting. I’m just saying I’m sure there were more exciting parts of this sortie than talking about route and fingertip