I remember watching this as a child. When the Dalek’s came out of the Sphere I absolutely screamed the room down in surprise- much to the annoyance of my parents, who were in the other room at the time and thought an actual emergency had happened. This was the second time this had happened during this series of Doctor Who. By the time the next series rolled around they had learned to ignore screaming from me when the show was in progress.
@@jonathan.palfrey Works for me. My first Doctor was Tom Baker. I guess, the first time I saw Hartnell was when they did the "Five faces of Dr Who" thing to remind people when Peter Davison was coming in that he hadn't *always* been Tom Baker.
@jonathan.palfrey Heh! You've certainly got me beat, as my earliest Who memories date back "only" to 1981. Crazy that RTD's dream has also now gone on long enough for children to have grown up and to be able to show new episodes to *their* children as well!
2 of the doctors most iconic and deadliest enemies in the same finale was, for a lot of fans, a dream come true when this and the next episode first aired. Fans had been waiting for decades for something like this to happen which is why this 2 part finale is certainly one of the best and one of most memorable of the entire history of the show.
I second that. I only watched Torchwood way later. Sure, in retrospective it would have been nice to watch it in "order", but it's absolutely no deal breaker if you don't. You can very well enjoy and follow along Doctor Who without it.
The character of Mickey makes such a nice point over the course of the series: the difference in demeanor between him early in the series and here is so stark. From unsure of himself, just tagging along and waiting for his girl to having purpose, making decisions and taking charge. It perfectly shows in his facial expressions. And I'd say it makes him so much more attractive.
There's such overload in this episode, I love it. Looking forward to your reaction to the next one, Jules. Definitely Whoo Hoo! :) And don't worry, I don't think you have to watch Torchwood to enjoy Dr Who so I'm very happy you've decided not to take a break from the TARDIS right now.
One of the most anticipated episodes, especially for the season finale. Right from the beginning when Rose is narrating this is how she died, you can't help wondering what is going to happen in the end. It is also an episode that needs to be seen before getting into "Torchwood" which there should not be any hurry to see yet.
This episode has one of the greatest surprise endings in Doctor Who history, first Mickey, than an army of Cybermen, and just when you think it can't get any crazier, here come the Daleks! A brilliant episode, thanks for your reaction.
I still remember seeing this live, we all felt the shock you did, it's SUCH a good set up and an amazing finale. Torchwood (and the Sarah Jane Adventures) are both fantastic shows, but both very much designed to be 'extra' and optional to the main show. Torchwood is NOT for kids, and SJA very much was, and Doctor Who is pretty much in the middle in terms of tone, so they made sure it's fine to just watch DW, but you should definitely check out the spin offs at some point! As for 'watch X Torchwood before Y Doctor Who' it's not that big of a deal, when you see that bit of Torchwood you'll go 'oh this leads into that bit of Who, ok' and that's about it.
You don't have to watch Torchwood to keep following what's happening in DW. Torchwood was the 'adult' arm of the NuWho universe so my kids didn't watch it as they were too young when it came out. You don't miss anything in the DW story. Torchwood is fantastic in my opinion - it's great, well acted and interesting stories. I loved it from the first episode.
This episode is amazing. Murray Gold is playing a bonfire of burning pianos with the music for this episode. Two of the most powerful classic enemies in an epic battle across the planet. Yet another glimpse at what the Time War could have looked like. It all has a wonderful buildup through the season and brings together various elements. The storytelling is fantastic. It's an ominous atmosphere around some very chipper characters. I'm really looking forward to the finale, the special, and the start of another amazing season. A top favorite season of mine, a large part due to the companion, despite some of the problems and my frustrations with the season.
Torchwood Institute was established to deal with alien threats by Queen Victoria, after she encountered the werewolf and the Doctor. Aliens and alien stuff has been showing up on Earth for a long time, as shown in the previous episode "Dalek", where the guy had built an underground museum of alien artifacts. Presumably Torchwood had also been collecting such artifacts and studying them. They had long been aware of the Doctor and his blue box since he has been appearing throughout Earth's history.
Been looking forward to this episode because of your appreciation for Mickey's journey. Such a fantastic reveal. I adore your response to his just being there. LOL, once again Jules guesses the ghost association within seconds. Don't stress over Torchwood, you will pick up the needed clues from Doctor Who as the show progresses. And the few crossover events have lines of exposition that will clear up any brain busters. You'll be fine.
One of the greatest cliffhangers in sixty years of Doctor Who! Us older fans had never seen the Cybermen and Daleks confront each other in twenty-six seasons of the classic show, so that by itself created anticipation for the next episode. 😀
This is a great two parter season finale. Just FYI some actors that show up in a small role on an episode come back later playing a complexly different character that is part of the Doctor Who story line. The actress playing Adeola, the woman who first found the cyberman in the renovation area will be back fairly soon. So if you're ever wondering why does she look familiar this is where. Something to keep an eye out going forward with the series. 😉
I'm just re-watching your reaction to this. I don't know if i said last year, but the irony. When it showed ghosts in tv shows, i don't think you included this clip, one was one from a soap called Eastenders. The ghost character in it, Den Watts was murdered in the show by a character played by the actress in charge of Torchwood here.
When I first saw this episode, at the end when the sphere opened I said out loud without meaning to, "It's the daleks! Fuck!" And I guess I said it pretty loud because I then heard my older brother through my wall in his own room laughing and go "met the daleks didja?"😂
I think you’re right to give Doctor Who priority over Torchwood, if you don’t have time for both. The two shows occasionally intersect a bit, but they are separate shows, made for somewhat different though overlapping audiences, and you don’t need to watch both. It’s quite feasible to catch up with Torchwood later, if you want to. You’re aware that Torchwood exists, and that the man calling himself Jack Harkness is involved with it; you probably don’t need to know any more about it when watching Doctor Who. There were only four seasons of Torchwood: it had a very much shorter life than Doctor Who.
3:07 Yeah, that's the worst thing about Doctor Who. Especially when you're not watching it live and you don't have a year to mourn a character you only just *completely* fell in love with the week/month before.
One thing I always thought when I watch this episode: Some outliers aside, the parallel universe is pretty similar to the normal one; E.g. Jackie being in both, and how the Jackie/Cyberman remembered her memories after conversion. I always imagine that the "Ghosts" appearing in certain areas was akin to them remembering their loved ones and actually visiting them; Jackie's dead father being upgraded in the Parallel universe, so the cyberman-Father visits her. Or say how the one ghost appears in the Queen Vic; deceased actor maybe? Recall that the Cybus Cybermen legitimately think they're being kind in removing their emotions, so the motive is there.
@@BlackMatt2k She was. As I mentioned, she was upgraded and yet still recognised Pete. Hence my idea that the cybermen could be able to recognise others like that. It's like the scene with Mickey in the parallel universe visiting his nan; it isn't *his* nan, but it didn't matter to him.
Funny thing about the ghost of "Dirty" Den Watts turning up in the Queen Vic is that Tracey Ann Oberman, who plays Hartmann, also played the character in Eastenders who killed him. Or, as I recall, put a hit out on him only for the character to apparently come back from the dead in the soap.
It's fair to say, nobody's can ever be quite ready for Doctor Who and no matter how many times I rewatch the series, it gets substantially better every time. I love this show completely.
Does this mean we get the second part early?! Can't wait to see what you thought of the series 2 finale overall. This was the first time that Daleks and Cybermen shared an episode, and some of the moments that come out of their interactions are absolutely fantastic! I'm glad you're sticking to Doctor Who; Torchwood's ok but nothing compared to the main series.
Thank you, Annie 🥰 I appreciate your enthusiasm! I'm just sticking to weekly episodes for Who for now as I don't really have time for more. This was a brilliant series finale, wasn't it! I love it so much 💜
@@julesreacts I'm so glad you're enjoying it! It gets better and better. Isn't it funny that you thought Mickey wouldn't last beyond episode 1 on first watch?! 😁✨
Alot of NuWho fans who never watched the classic series always forget this but this was the first time in the history of the show that the Daleks and the Cybermen meet onscreen.
great video as always. don't worry about watching torchwood or the sarah jane adventures, we will still be here when you decide to watch them! also, fingers crossed so you get an editor in the future to help you with it
Awww thank you 💜 I tried an editor once for the X Files, but I had to re-do it again myself 🤣 I think it's hard to let go of the control and also, they ain't cheap!
8:04 "C'mon then ya BEAUTYYYEEEAAAAH!!!" Moments like these are exactly why people love David Tennants 10th doctor. One of the reasosn he became an actor was because he was a fan of Doctor Who ever since being a child, now he has achived that dream, and he ABSOLUTELY lets his excitement to play him show on every episode. And it works absolutely in his favor and fantasticly on a scenes like this one (yet alone all the million other scenes where he is basically just a meme lol) where Doctor is facing something he for once doesn't (yet) understand, putting him in extasy. Because he can just go into that inner child having a blast all so easily. He is just a fan, living the dream of some fans, providing more content for his fellow fans. For that alone he earns his place as one of the best Doctors for sure. About the need to watch Torchwood: Personally I never did watch Torchwood before the episode it was needed for, nor I still have. But honestly I don't think I really lost all THAT much as in my opinion once we get there the Who does explain all the things you NEED to know pretty well. All I was really left out of was that I didn't know who the certain characters were, thus they didn't leave much impact to me when the show asked for me to care about them, but FOR ME PERSONALLY I don't feel I missed out that much honestly. As in, I'm not sure would it have been worth the effort to pause the main show in order to watch a spin-off I might or might not like about just to learn what character X likes to eat on their breakfest or such and then resume. Point being; not saying gren or red light to that one lol. Proceed with your own judgement. Also sidenote just thinking out loud watching this... Shout out to our boy Mickey having actual character growth in the show! From an arguably "sort of ass at times" and being so afraid of the Doctor and everything that he literally held on to Rose at S1E01 in absolute terror to now this one, the "Mickey Smith, defending the earth!" -badass. Another sidenote: I never noticed it on my first watching of the show (or at least it didn't register) but seeing Freema Agyeman (the female who went to get "coffee") on this episode (she'll have another role later on thats a bit more rememberable) is kinda funny, since it ain't her time yet. Then again, it's not like these things don't happen later on either, like with "KG" and "PC" (just for two easy ones) having a "demo reel" before their more memorable moments in the show either lol. Another-another sidenote, about people not spoiling stuff for you: This is exactly my biggest gripe with most fandoms. The people who indirectly spoil big stuff for you because it's the "so gooood!!" -stuff for them, and then in the process ruining it for us... But Doctor Who fandom is one of the few I've come across that KNOWS the value of keeping the good stuff close to their chests so it'll have the exact same impact on you as it did for them. And thus they don't mention those things much IF AT ALL (or at the very least they get REALLY sneaky and creative about it) despite DESPERATELY wanting to tell you inside. And personally I can't thank these people enough. There are just SOOOOoooooo MANY stuff I WANT to talk about with these episodes, but I'd rather want to see your honest blind reaction to 'em more. Heck, personally out of the all seasons there was just ONE THING (although a VERY BIG one at that...) which I did get spoiled about EXTREMELY early on and that severly affected my enjoyment of a certain episode. And it's also the reason why a certain build up left me with not as big impact since I already knew the answer... For that reason I'm obviously NOT gonna tell you exactly what, but I think people know EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I just say the episode title. ...A Good Man Goes to War. Yes... I was spoiled of that... And to person who did it (not that I remember who it was) I wish you get a nice but BORING pair of socks and underwear from Santa this year!!
I got chills watching you watch this! It's so fun to know what's coming and see the reactions on someone's face who has no idea what's going to happen. Thanks so much for sharing!
FUN FACT that I don't know if you knew already but i'll say it anyway just in case you don't: Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who and they used it to label tapes of the first season of revived series to try and prevent leaks Here's all mentions of torchwood up to this point if you're interested! The Parting of the Ways; The Anne Droid says ‘What ancient building was the cobalt pyramid built on’ the correct answer is Torchwood The Christmas Invasion; Torchwood destroys the Sycorax ship Tooth and Claw; Queen Victoria starts the Torchwood Institute School Reunion; Some websites that Mickey is looking at are blocked by Torchwood Rise of the Cyberman; Mentioned on the news when Rose’s phone is updated Rise of the Cyberman; Pete asks Stevie how things are going with Torchwood at Jackie’s party The Idiot’s Lantern; Bishop mentions not wanting Torchwood at their backs after faceless Rose has been brought into the warehouse The Satan Pit; The human team were representing the Torchwood archive Love & Monsters; Victor utilizes Torchwood files on the Doctor Fear Her; Man on the news mentions “Since the battle of Torchwood” after Chloe/the Isolus has drawn the whole stadium
I've never seen Torchwood so I dunno how important it is that you watch any of it before a certain point in Who. But imagine having a Tardis and using it to run a youtube channel more efficiently 😂
I would be the Queen of TH-cam if I had a Tardis 🤣🤣 Glad to know that Torchwood doesn't seem to be absolutely necessary. I definitely feel like going through with Who and then circling back when I have some free time!
I remember watching this when it first aired and it was the most awesome thing teenage me had ever seen. I miss those days, it's such a shame what happened to the show.
Here we go! This is definitely one of the best season finales in modern Who, and this two-parter still ranks highly for many fans, especially for... well, for reasons we'll get into next week. We finally get to see Torchwood after over a season of build-up, and for the first time ever, we get the Daleks and Cybermen in the same story! That surprise reveal at the end is amazing, as is Mickey's surprise appearance. See, one of the advantages of fans running the show is that they start to throw in some things that fans had always wanted to see. E.g. the Daleks meeting the Cybermen. Even the Cybermen reveal itself is pretty good - the whole 'ghost' angle means that you don't see them coming. Oh and classic Who catch: the Doctor mentions the Eternals, who were a race of cosmic beings that liked to have sailboat races in space to stave off the boredom of their unending existence (I swear I'm not making this up). As for your decision to hold off on watching Torchwood for now, I think that's perfectly understandable. Back when you started both Buffy and Doctor Who, I tried to visualise how you'd handle Angel, Torchwood, and God-forbid, The Sarah Jane Adventures on top of everything else. Torchwood is an incredible show, especially in its third and fourth seasons, but it's not essential to watch it concurrently with Doctor Who. It does tie in with Doctor Who's season three and four finales, but you can get by without watching Torchwood first. I didn't watch Torchwood properly until years after it aired, and I was fine (my Mum didn't let me watch it because it was too rude 😂). I will say though, the Torchwood show is very different to how you see Torchwood presented here, because it's a different team and a different base, led by a familiar face. So if what you see of Torchwood here doesn't interest you, don't worry because that's not what the show is about. Here's to next week Jules, and I'm sorry to say, I'm looking forward to it with a bit of sadistic glee. 😅
That's something I thought of, but that does mean finding an extra hour per week and I'm working 12 hour days most days so I think it would send me mad 🤣 I need a clone!
Regarding watching Torchwood, it’s not necessary info for the most part, just side stories (You might find references to characters later on in Dr Who that won’t mean much to you if you haven’t seen Torchwood but it doesn’t really impact your understanding of the larger story - it’ll just seem like somebody shows up that you’ve never seen but is already known to the Doctor). The main reason people would be asking you to insert them before continuing on with Dr Who is that there are crossover bits, so if you save it for later you’d effectively be giving yourself spoilers for certain parts of the Torchwood series.
Julli. this episode was grand. I cannot wait for the next one! You said you'll be watching it tomorrow (and time has passed since you filmed this two weekish ago), does that mean you will upload it tomorrow? Ahh either way cannot wait to see your reaction!
I’m very happy to see you continue through Doctor Who! I feel like it flows very well on its own and I’d hate to have your new reactions to it spread further apart!
Yeah…Torchwood should’ve perhaps had a bigger impact on the Doctor Who Universe, but it remains an entertaining but not necessary spinoff. I mean, you’d like it but it isnt a necessity
I have seen this so many times, because my son was of the age where when he liked something he wanted to see it over and over! It's a tribute to this two-parter that it didn't drive me crazy (there are certain other episodes I can't say the same about). There is one thing that bugs me, but it's small and I'll save it for next time...
This was the very first episode of Dr. Who I ever saw (technically came in part-way through). Suffice to say, this and the episode after very much shaped my experience going back to watch the first two seasons....
Me as a kid watching this episode I went nuts after seeing that and then being left with that cliff hanger XD Ahhh it was soo good I was unable to concentrate all week at school cos all i could think of was what was gonna happen! Seeing Mickey back aswell!! Also Torchwood was founded back in the episode with the Werewolf by Queen Victoria so the funding for Torchwood comes from her as well as the technology the scavenge and likely sell similar to Henry Van Stat
They had planned to do a Daleks vs Cybermen story back in 1968. But Terry Nation, creator of the Daleks, who had first say on any Dalek script, rejected the idea.
It's totally fine to skip Torchwood for now. It's not required watching and is for the most part separate from Doctor Who. Any relevant details get explained in Doctor Who when they show up.
I was a kid when Torchwood was on and it’s definitely not a kids show, so it’s completely fine to wait. This is one of my favourite season finales though!
Ive said this before i think but i really like how you notice details in the episode and put things together its quite sweet and cool. Its probably why i like watching your reactions to other peoples since you dont shout and scream you get invested and its so cool. Thank you for doing these. Something apparently in the last episode i didnt notice till recently was they very vaguely mention certain events that happen in this episode and the next one. Just names really but a cool detail. Cybermen and Daleks in the same episode was really crazy as a concept but we shall see how the second part does with this concept. It was also nice to see Mickey again. Also when the Doctor goes the wrong way out of the room apparently that was a genuine mistake and a ad-lib by Tracy Ann Oberman (Yvonne Hartman). Also Also the cybermen in the plastic sheets is a theme in past cybermen stories in old who
You can watch Torchwood in unison, watch 1 ep of s3 of doctor who, 1 ep of torchwood, itll make your experience of the show even better. Buts its entirly up to you
Thanks Jules. You've reached one of the most exciting cliffhangers for a finale of Doctor Who. Love the twist that we are all expecting the Voidship to have something connected with the Cybermen in it, but it turns out to contain Daleks. Jackie being involved is great. Mickey turning up out of nowhere is a brilliant moment. Lots of great performances - Tracy Ann Oberman is excellent as the Torchwood leader - love that scene where the Doctor persuades her to stop the next experiment. I'm also very fond of the scientist guy who is stuck in the room with the voidship. Re: Torchwood the series - I'm fond of the series, but if it comes to a choice between watching you react to that or watching you react to Series 3 of Doctor Who, I think I'd prefer Doctor Who - and I think you'd get bigger audience for that compared to Torchwood too - so I think you made the right choice if editing Torchwood reactions would be too much work for you. Allons-y to the final episode of S2!
Torchwood was formed to investigate the supernatural [as Queen Victoria defined it - which would include aliens] and to find ways to protect the British Empire from them. They work independent of other top secret agencies in the world such as UNIT which works hand in hand with the Doctor [UNIT was big in the classic Dr Who, not so involved at this point in the series - likely because they wanted to lay the foundation for the spin off series of Torchwood]
Hey Jules! I have been watching and really enjoying your reviews of Series Two, but not commented for a while, so I thought I'd better catch up! After two lacklustre episodes, this is a brilliant epic finale - from Rose's chilling pre-credits monologue onwards. I think Russell T Davies remembered what it was like to be a child watching the show and wondering what would happen if the Cybermen ever came up against the Daleks, and thought well, why don't we just include that in the show! What a moment when the Daleks came out of the Sphere. The mission statement of Torchwood, as it's seen in this two-parter, was set out by Queen Victoria at the end of 'Tooth and Claw' - when to honour Sir Robert's sacrifice and his father's ingenuity, she ordered the creation of the Institute to help defend Britain from further alien attacks, declaring that “if the Doctor should return, then he should beware, because Torchwood will be waiting.” That’s very different to UNIT (United Nations Intelligence Taskforce) who worked proactively with the Doctor to foil alien invasions in the sixties, seventies and eighties - and briefly in Christopher Ecclestone’s season. As well as the Torchwood series starting after this series of Doctor Who, the pilot for the Sarah Jane Adventures aired then too! You can skip both series and still follow Doctor Who without a problem, even though there is a bit of crossover at times. I expect it’s already on your list, but the next episode of Doctor Who after this two-parter was The Runaway Bride, the 2006 Christmas special, before Series 3 started in spring 2007. Definitely don’t miss that one! It's a classic. By the way, you may have seen that there is currently a run of brand-new hour-long episodes of Doctor Who to mark the show’s 60th anniversary, airing on the BBC in the UK and on Disney+ everywhere else in the world - with a cash injection from Disney into special effects, etc. Make sure you avoid spoilers at all costs! But plenty to look forward to!
Hey Jeremy! Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words 💜 I am looking forward to the new episodes, but I'm a fair way off that right now! I will definitely try and avoid and not watch until we get through the next 10 or so series 😸
Fun fact - revival of Doctor Who was connected to Buffy and its spin off show Ripper that never happened. If there were no buffy there would not be who revival.
Hello Jules.💜 A frighteningly tense time with the Doctor? 🧐 Good choice for Torchwood, Jules.👍 I tried to watch it after seeing the Doctor Who seasons (sorry... Series) and could only last bit into season 2 or 3 - it was simply sort of boringly repetitious. I know some love it, but that's how it is with fanaticism. And, too, it, as a series, is pretty much different than what you see of them in Doctor Who. If you watched it off channel I don't believe too many would fault you for it. There is no real, as others have stated in the comments, continuity issues, as they are really 2 different shows, each having its own stories. Torchwood this and the Doctor that is about it. Mere name dropping. What a beginning for an episode, eh? You, at 3:02, is everyone's unspoiled reaction to this scene, and this is exactly the way a first time viewing should be. 🥲🥲 And then the surprises just keep on. In typical Doctor Who fashion, the scene with the Doctor, and Rose (Jackie), when he pulls her out of the Tardis,😅🤣😂 and we can forget the opening for a bit, as things just build - Mickey, and other things as well. It's almost like a Doctor All-Stars event and you've already seen how it goes - good on you for taking a shorter route, giving a Sensible Nod,😉 to some few other's baser instincts. Well Done.😝 Nothing much more to say here. A top notch season (series, sorry) ender, as Doctor Who does so well. See you next week, for the finale.😍 Great opening and closing remarks. Very reasonable on both counts. Have a good day, Jules. 🤗💜A peaceful evening and lovely tomorrow. I await the next Doctor Who, and your reaction to the tale. Be well.🥰
Listening to you talk about how you love Doctor Who and want to keep watching it and not wanting to take a break, knowing that intro was coming... this isn't going to end well lol.
With Torchwood, you do not have to watch until after the end of series 3, it really doesn't make much difference if you see the way it ties into Doctor Who way after the fact HOWEVER I would definitely watch the first two series of Torchwood before you get to the end of series 4, there will be spoilers
If there's ONE series I wish I could forget and rewatch for the first time, it would be Doctor Who, specifically for these double episodes. Honestly, I absolutely love them!
yeah as others have said, torchwood isn't essential to understanding any plot in doctor who - and vice versa, actually. ive heard from a few people who watched imports of torchwood having no idea it was a spinoff of another show! so you'll definitely be ok, lol. should watch it at some point though, reaction or not, cause it's a great show in it's own right imo and i feel it's right up your alley. as a side note, this episode was directed by graeme harper, who's notable as being the only director of classic dr who to follow on to the new series. TV at the BBC was generally directed very differently back then, compared to even 2006 when this came out, and harper was known for his pretty radical (for the time) methods. he was really great at his job though, both stories he did in the 80s are classics. just a massive talent imo.
@@julesreacts they mostly do, but like every long running show there are ups and downs... not to mention that people are not always on the same boat when it comes to what is considered good or not... so just keep watching and form your own opinion
It was truly a treat to see you work out what was going on in this episode XD can't wait for you to experience the interactions between the villains of the next episode As for spin off series, it certainly helps flesh out the world and characters but it is in no way essential. For example, next season, there's a pretty big plot device that was introduced in the first season of Torchwood but since I was like 7 when that season came out and Torchwood is very much an adult show, I didn't catch up on that until over a decade later and my viewing experience and genuine passion for dr who was not affected at all. So spin-offs, nice but by no means mandatory viewing.
Hello Juliette it's Doctor Who day today again with the Army of Ghosts and can't wait to watch it have a great beautiful day and Thank You my Friend Juliette.🎄🇦🇺🇦🇺🎀🇦🇺🇦🇺🎄
With the skipping Torchwood, like the spinoff was aimed at older, adult, fans. Whereas Doctor Who is for family/all ages. So like when you say about being recommended to watch up to X Torchwood episode before Y Doctor Who episode: the children wouldn't have watched Torchwood (i mean i did as a kid but i shouldn't have/parents would cover my eyes or distract me or something as the really adult/graphic parts happened). and managed to understand the Y Doctor Who episode well enough, so should be fine going into revival Doctor Who S3 & doing Torchwood later. Daleks vs Cybermen vs Doctor was something many fans wanted to see on screen. a lot of the Crew of Revival Who (especially the showrunners in charge) were massive super fans of classic who (like technically Revival Who is not too different to fan fiction), especially Russell T. Davies, so Daleks vs Cybermen vs Doctor was huge back in 2006 and was/still is a rare novelty.
You absolutely do not need to watch Torchwood to carry on with Doctor Who. There are a couple of future DW episodes where characters appear and it might feel a bit out of nowhere, but it's very much geared for a DW-only audience so you don't need to watch Torchwood to follow anything.
... that said, Torchwood is worth a watch, either on your own or on the channel when you've got the time. The first two seasons are quite hit and miss, very much DW-lite, but the third season (which is 5 episodes of a single story) is one of the best things the DW-verse ever did (and pretty much fully disconnected from DW at this point). Series four is... back to just fine.
So here's the funny thing. The Next Time previews for the episodes were typically run over the closing credits theme. Fear Her, for the first time, used a completely different score for the preview, referenced the Beast's prophecy from the Satan Pit, and generally went out of its way to give a very climactic feel to the whole thing, which at the time felt like an incredibly ominous note to end last episode on and build suspense. However.. in the process they used Rose's opening narration, fired off all her death flags, revealed Torchwood, revealed the Cybermen, and even (accidentally) revealed the Daleks. I definitely feel like you got the better deal going into this completely blind. As for Torchwood, pretty much everything you need to know from the spinoff series will come up in Doctor Who before it's important, so you're not missing anything crucial . And I actually think some reveals are going to be more effective this way as well. Annoyingly the only thing I think would be worth knowing in advance is something I can't even hint at without spoiling something you definitely don't want to know in advance, so we'll just have to wait and see how that pans out.
Its fine to come back and watch torchwood later it does tie in but its not like if you miss torchwood you wont understand things down the line. I watched Torchwood way later and it was actually cool to see from an after perspective cos you notice more things with the forsight from doctor who. I shall not say more so as not to spoil things but yeah i think watching it later on is a good decision. Those telling you you should watch this and that episode of Torchwood before this and that episode of doctor who are just trying to be helpful if your wanting to see it in chronological order but they forget its a show about time travel so we can watch it in any order and it is still good :D So what ever works for you will work!
After Queen Victoria had knighted and "Damed" the Doctor and Rose she banished them because she was so freaked out by the idea of aliens from other planets threatening our Earth. So she founded Torchwood to keep an eye on any sign of alien activity and monitor or maybe even fight it. So far so spoiler free. Where they are at now and whether their remit is basically the same you will have judged for yourself.
Another great Doctor Who therapy session for us, thank you! I hope you had tissues handy for the next episode. The only thing missing was your cat. It gets better as well.
Regarding _Torchwood:_ Here's an idea. Watch one episode of _Torchwood,_ then put it aside until you've finished the Tenth Doctor. Then, if and when you do go back to watch _Torchwood_ (and maybe also the Sarah Jane Adventures), you can do a re-watch of the relevant episodes of _Doctor Who._ I've not seen this recommended elsewhere, but if any of your trusted advisors is okay with it, it might be worth a shot.
I agree with you, do what you have the time for and feel is best. Torchwood will still be there later on. ^^ Also, I already need the next episode hahah ahhh it's so good
I was 9 when this episode aired, and that cliffhanger ending made me lose my mind! Torchwood finally being revealed only to find Cybermen invading from the other universe - And Mickey returning to fight them! And then we add the Daleks in the mix too!? Crazy stuff! I think it's valid to keep watching Doctor Who rather than going back to watch Torchwood now. Without any real spoilers, Torchwood's first two series fit in between here and the end of Doctor Who Series 3, and the Sarah Jane Adventures starts around this point in the timeline too. I personally didn't see Torchwood until a bit later either (mostly because I was 9, that would not have been an appropriate show for me lol). As much as I'd love to see you react to the spinoffs now (especially the Sarah Jane Adventures, that show plus this one WERE my childhood), scheduling difficulties is a perfectly sensible reason not to, and it'll be nice to go back later and fit the puzzle pieces together. Hopefully that can happen sooner or later, I look forward to it!
i’ve only today stumbled across your channel but i’m instantly hooked! as a huge doctor who fan since childhood it’s really cool to semi-rewatch alongside you! it’s like having a friend here reacting with me haha basically, thank you for this series and i really like & appreciate your videos!! wish u the best :) p.s. there really is no need to watch torchwood or classic who before any of the new-who episodes - it only gives you a little context/insight to whatever it’s linked to (i hope that made sense lol)
Hello and welcome aboard! I don't have a tardis, or a sonic screwdriver, but hopefully you will enjoy the ride 💜 thank you so much for your kind words!!
"we've got Daleks, we've got Cyberman and we've got Mickey Smith"
Ahh yes, the big 3.
BAHAH! Mickey IS one of the big 3 🤣
Mickey Smith is like the Neville Longbottom of the Whoniverse. An ordinary kid who became a Hero.
Russell T. Davies based Yyvone Hartman on a female acquaintance who boasted about her interpersonal skills in spite of her complete lack of empathy.
I know a few managers like that 🤣
@@julesreacts I think most of us have experienced managers like that
I remember watching this as a child. When the Dalek’s came out of the Sphere I absolutely screamed the room down in surprise- much to the annoyance of my parents, who were in the other room at the time and thought an actual emergency had happened. This was the second time this had happened during this series of Doctor Who. By the time the next series rolled around they had learned to ignore screaming from me when the show was in progress.
I'm so surprised to see the Dalek's again! I love that they are such a recurring force! I hope we see them again and again haha!
"I remember watching this as a child" - now I feel *really* old! 🤣
@@andrewgwilliam4831 Ha ha. I remember watching William Hartnell as the Doctor when I was a child; does that make you feel better?
@@jonathan.palfrey Works for me. My first Doctor was Tom Baker. I guess, the first time I saw Hartnell was when they did the "Five faces of Dr Who" thing to remind people when Peter Davison was coming in that he hadn't *always* been Tom Baker.
@jonathan.palfrey Heh! You've certainly got me beat, as my earliest Who memories date back "only" to 1981. Crazy that RTD's dream has also now gone on long enough for children to have grown up and to be able to show new episodes to *their* children as well!
The slow swelling of the dalek theme when the sphere opens still brings tears to my eyes, such an amazing moment
2 of the doctors most iconic and deadliest enemies in the same finale was, for a lot of fans, a dream come true when this and the next episode first aired. Fans had been waiting for decades for something like this to happen which is why this 2 part finale is certainly one of the best and one of most memorable of the entire history of the show.
Personally, I feel watching Doctor Who and going back to see how Torchwood fits in is a perfectly fine way to watch - that’s how I did it!
AMAZING to know! Thank you 💜
I second that. I only watched Torchwood way later. Sure, in retrospective it would have been nice to watch it in "order", but it's absolutely no deal breaker if you don't. You can very well enjoy and follow along Doctor Who without it.
That’s how I watched them too. I didn’t know torchwood existed until after.
You're the boss, I'm sure we're all more than happy to wait for Torchwood.
Thank you, Stuart! I appreciate your kindness 💜
The character of Mickey makes such a nice point over the course of the series: the difference in demeanor between him early in the series and here is so stark. From unsure of himself, just tagging along and waiting for his girl to having purpose, making decisions and taking charge. It perfectly shows in his facial expressions.
And I'd say it makes him so much more attractive.
13:25 Torchwood was founded by queen Victoria remember. It's said that Torchwood is funded privately by the crown.
yes, I do remember!
There's such overload in this episode, I love it. Looking forward to your reaction to the next one, Jules. Definitely Whoo Hoo! :) And don't worry, I don't think you have to watch Torchwood to enjoy Dr Who so I'm very happy you've decided not to take a break from the TARDIS right now.
Jackie: "Don't you think it's beautiful?"
The Doctor: "I think it's horrific!"
Jakie: *:O*
One of the most anticipated episodes, especially for the season finale. Right from the beginning when Rose is narrating this is how she died, you can't help wondering what is going to happen in the end. It is also an episode that needs to be seen before getting into "Torchwood" which there should not be any hurry to see yet.
Jules, your Doctor Who reactions have become one of the highlights of my week, so I hope you keep doing them as long as you can.
Thank you so much 🥰🥰
Martha Jones was behind in Doctor Who series 2 and before she was in Doctor Who series 3
This episode has one of the greatest surprise endings in Doctor Who history, first Mickey, than an army of Cybermen, and just when you think it can't get any crazier, here come the Daleks! A brilliant episode, thanks for your reaction.
I still remember seeing this live, we all felt the shock you did, it's SUCH a good set up and an amazing finale.
Torchwood (and the Sarah Jane Adventures) are both fantastic shows, but both very much designed to be 'extra' and optional to the main show. Torchwood is NOT for kids, and SJA very much was, and Doctor Who is pretty much in the middle in terms of tone, so they made sure it's fine to just watch DW, but you should definitely check out the spin offs at some point! As for 'watch X Torchwood before Y Doctor Who' it's not that big of a deal, when you see that bit of Torchwood you'll go 'oh this leads into that bit of Who, ok' and that's about it.
You don't have to watch Torchwood to keep following what's happening in DW. Torchwood was the 'adult' arm of the NuWho universe so my kids didn't watch it as they were too young when it came out. You don't miss anything in the DW story. Torchwood is fantastic in my opinion - it's great, well acted and interesting stories. I loved it from the first episode.
It does explain Jack's later appearance, though.
Its really not that elaborate and they explain it within the DW episode. @@StarkRG
Torchwood is great but optional. I didn't watch it till much later myself and honestly it was fine. You do you.
Thank you, I appreciate that 💜
This episode is amazing. Murray Gold is playing a bonfire of burning pianos with the music for this episode. Two of the most powerful classic enemies in an epic battle across the planet. Yet another glimpse at what the Time War could have looked like. It all has a wonderful buildup through the season and brings together various elements.
The storytelling is fantastic. It's an ominous atmosphere around some very chipper characters.
I'm really looking forward to the finale, the special, and the start of another amazing season. A top favorite season of mine, a large part due to the companion, despite some of the problems and my frustrations with the season.
Torchwood Institute was established to deal with alien threats by Queen Victoria, after she encountered the werewolf and the Doctor. Aliens and alien stuff has been showing up on Earth for a long time, as shown in the previous episode "Dalek", where the guy had built an underground museum of alien artifacts. Presumably Torchwood had also been collecting such artifacts and studying them. They had long been aware of the Doctor and his blue box since he has been appearing throughout Earth's history.
In the last episode when Mickey left I was shouting at you saying… ‘ don’t be upset, Mickey comes back’ 😂😂🇬🇧
Aww 💜 yes, I didn't know at the time! It's always good to see Mickey boy!
@@julesreacts also.. I shout at you quite often 🤣🤣🤣
Been looking forward to this episode because of your appreciation for Mickey's journey. Such a fantastic reveal. I adore your response to his just being there.
LOL, once again Jules guesses the ghost association within seconds.
Don't stress over Torchwood, you will pick up the needed clues from Doctor Who as the show progresses. And the few crossover events have lines of exposition that will clear up any brain busters. You'll be fine.
Ahhh thank you!! So glad to hear that reassurance. I just don't have time to react to anything else right now without losing my sanity 🤣
One of the greatest cliffhangers in sixty years of Doctor Who! Us older fans had never seen the Cybermen and Daleks confront each other in twenty-six seasons of the classic show, so that by itself created anticipation for the next episode. 😀
Fab, thank you! I *love* Jackie coming along for the ride in this episode, she was so cute perched up on that shelf!
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She was 🥰🥰 Her first TARDIS ride, bless!!
This is a great two parter season finale. Just FYI some actors that show up in a small role on an episode come back later playing a complexly different character that is part of the Doctor Who story line. The actress playing Adeola, the woman who first found the cyberman in the renovation area will be back fairly soon. So if you're ever wondering why does she look familiar this is where. Something to keep an eye out going forward with the series. 😉
I know exactly what you mean 🤣 I even said "That person looks so familiar to me...." and I felt like I was losing the plot!
Phrased vaguely enough, yes! 😅 I'm on board. The spoiler police has no issue 👍
An early Christmas present for you, eh? Daleks, cybermen, and Mickey Smith all in one episode.
What more could a girl want 🤣
I'm just re-watching your reaction to this. I don't know if i said last year, but the irony. When it showed ghosts in tv shows, i don't think you included this clip, one was one from a soap called Eastenders. The ghost character in it, Den Watts was murdered in the show by a character played by the actress in charge of Torchwood here.
This i believe , was the first time both we on the screen at the same time , this episode was one of the best ever
When I first saw this episode, at the end when the sphere opened I said out loud without meaning to, "It's the daleks! Fuck!" And I guess I said it pretty loud because I then heard my older brother through my wall in his own room laughing and go "met the daleks didja?"😂
Sarah Jane series connects to doctor who as well as Torchwood
As I write this I know you've already seen the finale - but I can't wait for next week to see your reaction!
Awww yes 💜 it was amazing!!
I think you’re right to give Doctor Who priority over Torchwood, if you don’t have time for both. The two shows occasionally intersect a bit, but they are separate shows, made for somewhat different though overlapping audiences, and you don’t need to watch both. It’s quite feasible to catch up with Torchwood later, if you want to. You’re aware that Torchwood exists, and that the man calling himself Jack Harkness is involved with it; you probably don’t need to know any more about it when watching Doctor Who. There were only four seasons of Torchwood: it had a very much shorter life than Doctor Who.
3:07 Yeah, that's the worst thing about Doctor Who. Especially when you're not watching it live and you don't have a year to mourn a character you only just *completely* fell in love with the week/month before.
I think Jackie's "shes not even human" comment means how Rose wouod loose her hold on humanity
One thing I always thought when I watch this episode: Some outliers aside, the parallel universe is pretty similar to the normal one; E.g. Jackie being in both, and how the Jackie/Cyberman remembered her memories after conversion. I always imagine that the "Ghosts" appearing in certain areas was akin to them remembering their loved ones and actually visiting them; Jackie's dead father being upgraded in the Parallel universe, so the cyberman-Father visits her. Or say how the one ghost appears in the Queen Vic; deceased actor maybe? Recall that the Cybus Cybermen legitimately think they're being kind in removing their emotions, so the motive is there.
It's a cool idea. Wasn't Jackie herself upgraded in Mickey's universe, though?
@@BlackMatt2k She was. As I mentioned, she was upgraded and yet still recognised Pete. Hence my idea that the cybermen could be able to recognise others like that. It's like the scene with Mickey in the parallel universe visiting his nan; it isn't *his* nan, but it didn't matter to him.
Funny thing about the ghost of "Dirty" Den Watts turning up in the Queen Vic is that Tracey Ann Oberman, who plays Hartmann, also played the character in Eastenders who killed him. Or, as I recall, put a hit out on him only for the character to apparently come back from the dead in the soap.
The beach Rose is standing on at the end of the intro is Dunraven Bay, one of the closest to me. It also appears at least once more in series 7.
It's fair to say, nobody's can ever be quite ready for Doctor Who and no matter how many times I rewatch the series, it gets substantially better every time. I love this show completely.
I still have the hots for the Torchwood lady 😁
Does this mean we get the second part early?! Can't wait to see what you thought of the series 2 finale overall. This was the first time that Daleks and Cybermen shared an episode, and some of the moments that come out of their interactions are absolutely fantastic! I'm glad you're sticking to Doctor Who; Torchwood's ok but nothing compared to the main series.
Thank you, Annie 🥰 I appreciate your enthusiasm! I'm just sticking to weekly episodes for Who for now as I don't really have time for more. This was a brilliant series finale, wasn't it! I love it so much 💜
@@julesreacts I'm so glad you're enjoying it! It gets better and better. Isn't it funny that you thought Mickey wouldn't last beyond episode 1 on first watch?! 😁✨
I really didn't think we'd see Mickey again and look! He's incredible! He's such a highlight for me. I adore him 🥰
Alot of NuWho fans who never watched the classic series always forget this but this was the first time in the history of the show that the Daleks and the Cybermen meet onscreen.
great video as always. don't worry about watching torchwood or the sarah jane adventures, we will still be here when you decide to watch them! also, fingers crossed so you get an editor in the future to help you with it
Awww thank you 💜 I tried an editor once for the X Files, but I had to re-do it again myself 🤣 I think it's hard to let go of the control and also, they ain't cheap!
8:04 "C'mon then ya BEAUTYYYEEEAAAAH!!!"
Moments like these are exactly why people love David Tennants 10th doctor.
One of the reasosn he became an actor was because he was a fan of Doctor Who ever since being a child, now he has achived that dream, and he ABSOLUTELY lets his excitement to play him show on every episode.
And it works absolutely in his favor and fantasticly on a scenes like this one (yet alone all the million other scenes where he is basically just a meme lol) where Doctor is facing something he for once doesn't (yet) understand, putting him in extasy. Because he can just go into that inner child having a blast all so easily.
He is just a fan, living the dream of some fans, providing more content for his fellow fans.
For that alone he earns his place as one of the best Doctors for sure.
About the need to watch Torchwood:
Personally I never did watch Torchwood before the episode it was needed for, nor I still have. But honestly I don't think I really lost all THAT much as in my opinion once we get there the Who does explain all the things you NEED to know pretty well.
All I was really left out of was that I didn't know who the certain characters were, thus they didn't leave much impact to me when the show asked for me to care about them, but FOR ME PERSONALLY I don't feel I missed out that much honestly. As in, I'm not sure would it have been worth the effort to pause the main show in order to watch a spin-off I might or might not like about just to learn what character X likes to eat on their breakfest or such and then resume.
Point being; not saying gren or red light to that one lol. Proceed with your own judgement.
Also sidenote just thinking out loud watching this...
Shout out to our boy Mickey having actual character growth in the show!
From an arguably "sort of ass at times" and being so afraid of the Doctor and everything that he literally held on to Rose at S1E01 in absolute terror to now this one, the "Mickey Smith, defending the earth!" -badass.
Another sidenote:
I never noticed it on my first watching of the show (or at least it didn't register) but seeing Freema Agyeman (the female who went to get "coffee") on this episode (she'll have another role later on thats a bit more rememberable) is kinda funny, since it ain't her time yet.
Then again, it's not like these things don't happen later on either, like with "KG" and "PC" (just for two easy ones) having a "demo reel" before their more memorable moments in the show either lol.
Another-another sidenote, about people not spoiling stuff for you:
This is exactly my biggest gripe with most fandoms. The people who indirectly spoil big stuff for you because it's the "so gooood!!" -stuff for them, and then in the process ruining it for us...
But Doctor Who fandom is one of the few I've come across that KNOWS the value of keeping the good stuff close to their chests so it'll have the exact same impact on you as it did for them. And thus they don't mention those things much IF AT ALL (or at the very least they get REALLY sneaky and creative about it) despite DESPERATELY wanting to tell you inside.
And personally I can't thank these people enough. There are just SOOOOoooooo MANY stuff I WANT to talk about with these episodes, but I'd rather want to see your honest blind reaction to 'em more.
Heck, personally out of the all seasons there was just ONE THING (although a VERY BIG one at that...) which I did get spoiled about EXTREMELY early on and that severly affected my enjoyment of a certain episode. And it's also the reason why a certain build up left me with not as big impact since I already knew the answer...
For that reason I'm obviously NOT gonna tell you exactly what, but I think people know EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I just say the episode title. ...A Good Man Goes to War. Yes... I was spoiled of that... And to person who did it (not that I remember who it was) I wish you get a nice but BORING pair of socks and underwear from Santa this year!!
Awesome video as always dude! You can leave Torchwood to later and be good. That's what i did back in the day lol
Awesome to know! Thank you 💜
I got chills watching you watch this! It's so fun to know what's coming and see the reactions on someone's face who has no idea what's going to happen. Thanks so much for sharing!
My pleasure, Peter! Thank you for being here 💜
FUN FACT that I don't know if you knew already but i'll say it anyway just in case you don't: Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who and they used it to label tapes of the first season of revived series to try and prevent leaks
Here's all mentions of torchwood up to this point if you're interested!
The Parting of the Ways; The Anne Droid says ‘What ancient building was the cobalt pyramid built on’ the correct answer is Torchwood
The Christmas Invasion; Torchwood destroys the Sycorax ship
Tooth and Claw; Queen Victoria starts the Torchwood Institute
School Reunion; Some websites that Mickey is looking at are blocked by Torchwood
Rise of the Cyberman; Mentioned on the news when Rose’s phone is updated
Rise of the Cyberman; Pete asks Stevie how things are going with Torchwood at Jackie’s party
The Idiot’s Lantern; Bishop mentions not wanting Torchwood at their backs after faceless Rose has been brought into the warehouse
The Satan Pit; The human team were representing the Torchwood archive
Love & Monsters; Victor utilizes Torchwood files on the Doctor
Fear Her; Man on the news mentions “Since the battle of Torchwood” after Chloe/the Isolus has drawn the whole stadium
I've never seen Torchwood so I dunno how important it is that you watch any of it before a certain point in Who. But imagine having a Tardis and using it to run a youtube channel more efficiently 😂
I would be the Queen of TH-cam if I had a Tardis 🤣🤣 Glad to know that Torchwood doesn't seem to be absolutely necessary. I definitely feel like going through with Who and then circling back when I have some free time!
You absolutely do not have to watch Torchwood. I never did. Roll on the Doctor Who episodes! Love your reactions!
Thank you, Matt! Much appreciated 💜
I remember watching this when it first aired and it was the most awesome thing teenage me had ever seen. I miss those days, it's such a shame what happened to the show.
Here we go! This is definitely one of the best season finales in modern Who, and this two-parter still ranks highly for many fans, especially for... well, for reasons we'll get into next week.
We finally get to see Torchwood after over a season of build-up, and for the first time ever, we get the Daleks and Cybermen in the same story! That surprise reveal at the end is amazing, as is Mickey's surprise appearance. See, one of the advantages of fans running the show is that they start to throw in some things that fans had always wanted to see. E.g. the Daleks meeting the Cybermen.
Even the Cybermen reveal itself is pretty good - the whole 'ghost' angle means that you don't see them coming.
Oh and classic Who catch: the Doctor mentions the Eternals, who were a race of cosmic beings that liked to have sailboat races in space to stave off the boredom of their unending existence (I swear I'm not making this up).
As for your decision to hold off on watching Torchwood for now, I think that's perfectly understandable. Back when you started both Buffy and Doctor Who, I tried to visualise how you'd handle Angel, Torchwood, and God-forbid, The Sarah Jane Adventures on top of everything else.
Torchwood is an incredible show, especially in its third and fourth seasons, but it's not essential to watch it concurrently with Doctor Who. It does tie in with Doctor Who's season three and four finales, but you can get by without watching Torchwood first. I didn't watch Torchwood properly until years after it aired, and I was fine (my Mum didn't let me watch it because it was too rude 😂). I will say though, the Torchwood show is very different to how you see Torchwood presented here, because it's a different team and a different base, led by a familiar face. So if what you see of Torchwood here doesn't interest you, don't worry because that's not what the show is about.
Here's to next week Jules, and I'm sorry to say, I'm looking forward to it with a bit of sadistic glee. 😅
You don't have to watch Torchwood and SJA in sync, but it pays off. Why don't you watch them in order, but edit and upload them later on?
That's something I thought of, but that does mean finding an extra hour per week and I'm working 12 hour days most days so I think it would send me mad 🤣 I need a clone!
@@julesreacts What if you did it in the Doctor Who slot? They basically alternate seasons rather than episodes. Season 1 &2 are 13x45mins
@@10thdoctor15or what if you respected her decision instead of trying to change it?
@@leahdavis9434 Of course I do! These are just suggestions, which she may not have considered
Yeah, but then a 3 month break from Who to watch Torchwood isn't ideal either 😔
This is one of my favourite episodes of all time. Including the second part. Can’t wait to watch this later ! Hope you have a great day
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much!
Oh the second part 😢
Regarding watching Torchwood, it’s not necessary info for the most part, just side stories (You might find references to characters later on in Dr Who that won’t mean much to you if you haven’t seen Torchwood but it doesn’t really impact your understanding of the larger story - it’ll just seem like somebody shows up that you’ve never seen but is already known to the Doctor). The main reason people would be asking you to insert them before continuing on with Dr Who is that there are crossover bits, so if you save it for later you’d effectively be giving yourself spoilers for certain parts of the Torchwood series.
Julli. this episode was grand. I cannot wait for the next one! You said you'll be watching it tomorrow (and time has passed since you filmed this two weekish ago), does that mean you will upload it tomorrow? Ahh either way cannot wait to see your reaction!
Oh sorry, I just meant I'd be watching the next day! It's still weekly episodes 💜
I’m very happy to see you continue through Doctor Who! I feel like it flows very well on its own and I’d hate to have your new reactions to it spread further apart!
Your playlist has this episode before 2x11
Silly TH-cam! I'll fix that now!
Yeah…Torchwood should’ve perhaps had a bigger impact on the Doctor Who Universe, but it remains an entertaining but not necessary spinoff. I mean, you’d like it but it isnt a necessity
I have seen this so many times, because my son was of the age where when he liked something he wanted to see it over and over! It's a tribute to this two-parter that it didn't drive me crazy (there are certain other episodes I can't say the same about). There is one thing that bugs me, but it's small and I'll save it for next time...
This was the very first episode of Dr. Who I ever saw (technically came in part-way through).
Suffice to say, this and the episode after very much shaped my experience going back to watch the first two seasons....
Easily the best cliffhanger in the whole show
Me as a kid watching this episode I went nuts after seeing that and then being left with that cliff hanger XD Ahhh it was soo good I was unable to concentrate all week at school cos all i could think of was what was gonna happen! Seeing Mickey back aswell!! Also Torchwood was founded back in the episode with the Werewolf by Queen Victoria so the funding for Torchwood comes from her as well as the technology the scavenge and likely sell similar to Henry Van Stat
They had planned to do a Daleks vs Cybermen story back in 1968. But Terry Nation, creator of the Daleks, who had first say on any Dalek script, rejected the idea.
It's totally fine to skip Torchwood for now. It's not required watching and is for the most part separate from Doctor Who. Any relevant details get explained in Doctor Who when they show up.
Thank you, little sister! I appreciate your insight 😸
I watched Torchwood at a later date and it didn't matter. You could see the episode that links up with Doctor Who, but it doesn't impact either show
Cybermen and Daleks! I was doing sumersaults (behind the sofa) when I first watched this!
I was a kid when Torchwood was on and it’s definitely not a kids show, so it’s completely fine to wait. This is one of my favourite season finales though!
Go back to the last couple of scenes of the werewolf episode with Queen Victoria. That'll give you a hint as to what Torchwood is.
Ive said this before i think but i really like how you notice details in the episode and put things together its quite sweet and cool. Its probably why i like watching your reactions to other peoples since you dont shout and scream you get invested and its so cool. Thank you for doing these.
Something apparently in the last episode i didnt notice till recently was they very vaguely mention certain events that happen in this episode and the next one. Just names really but a cool detail. Cybermen and Daleks in the same episode was really crazy as a concept but we shall see how the second part does with this concept. It was also nice to see Mickey again. Also when the Doctor goes the wrong way out of the room apparently that was a genuine mistake and a ad-lib by Tracy Ann Oberman (Yvonne Hartman). Also Also the cybermen in the plastic sheets is a theme in past cybermen stories in old who
Also i got a chill once the daleks came out. Ive seen this episode when it released and it still gives me chills
You can watch Torchwood in unison, watch 1 ep of s3 of doctor who, 1 ep of torchwood, itll make your experience of the show even better. Buts its entirly up to you
She is standing at Badwolf Bay in the beginning when she is doing the voice over.
Yes, she is!
Thanks Jules. You've reached one of the most exciting cliffhangers for a finale of Doctor Who. Love the twist that we are all expecting the Voidship to have something connected with the Cybermen in it, but it turns out to contain Daleks. Jackie being involved is great. Mickey turning up out of nowhere is a brilliant moment. Lots of great performances - Tracy Ann Oberman is excellent as the Torchwood leader - love that scene where the Doctor persuades her to stop the next experiment. I'm also very fond of the scientist guy who is stuck in the room with the voidship.
Re: Torchwood the series - I'm fond of the series, but if it comes to a choice between watching you react to that or watching you react to Series 3 of Doctor Who, I think I'd prefer Doctor Who - and I think you'd get bigger audience for that compared to Torchwood too - so I think you made the right choice if editing Torchwood reactions would be too much work for you.
Allons-y to the final episode of S2!
Torchwood was formed to investigate the supernatural [as Queen Victoria defined it - which would include aliens] and to find ways to protect the British Empire from them. They work independent of other top secret agencies in the world such as UNIT which works hand in hand with the Doctor [UNIT was big in the classic Dr Who, not so involved at this point in the series - likely because they wanted to lay the foundation for the spin off series of Torchwood]
Hey Jules! I have been watching and really enjoying your reviews of Series Two, but not commented for a while, so I thought I'd better catch up! After two lacklustre episodes, this is a brilliant epic finale - from Rose's chilling pre-credits monologue onwards. I think Russell T Davies remembered what it was like to be a child watching the show and wondering what would happen if the Cybermen ever came up against the Daleks, and thought well, why don't we just include that in the show! What a moment when the Daleks came out of the Sphere.
The mission statement of Torchwood, as it's seen in this two-parter, was set out by Queen Victoria at the end of 'Tooth and Claw' - when to honour Sir Robert's sacrifice and his father's ingenuity, she ordered the creation of the Institute to help defend Britain from further alien attacks, declaring that “if the Doctor should return, then he should beware, because Torchwood will be waiting.” That’s very different to UNIT (United Nations Intelligence Taskforce) who worked proactively with the Doctor to foil alien invasions in the sixties, seventies and eighties - and briefly in Christopher Ecclestone’s season.
As well as the Torchwood series starting after this series of Doctor Who, the pilot for the Sarah Jane Adventures aired then too! You can skip both series and still follow Doctor Who without a problem, even though there is a bit of crossover at times.
I expect it’s already on your list, but the next episode of Doctor Who after this two-parter was The Runaway Bride, the 2006 Christmas special, before Series 3 started in spring 2007. Definitely don’t miss that one! It's a classic.
By the way, you may have seen that there is currently a run of brand-new hour-long episodes of Doctor Who to mark the show’s 60th anniversary, airing on the BBC in the UK and on Disney+ everywhere else in the world - with a cash injection from Disney into special effects, etc. Make sure you avoid spoilers at all costs! But plenty to look forward to!
Hey Jeremy! Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words 💜 I am looking forward to the new episodes, but I'm a fair way off that right now! I will definitely try and avoid and not watch until we get through the next 10 or so series 😸
Fun fact - revival of Doctor Who was connected to Buffy and its spin off show Ripper that never happened. If there were no buffy there would not be who revival.
Hello Jules.💜
A frighteningly tense time with the Doctor? 🧐
Good choice for Torchwood, Jules.👍 I tried to watch it after seeing the Doctor Who seasons (sorry... Series) and could only last bit into season 2 or 3 - it was simply sort of boringly repetitious. I know some love it, but that's how it is with fanaticism. And, too, it, as a series, is pretty much different than what you see of them in Doctor Who. If you watched it off channel I don't believe too many would fault you for it. There is no real, as others have stated in the comments, continuity issues, as they are really 2 different shows, each having its own stories. Torchwood this and the Doctor that is about it. Mere name dropping.
What a beginning for an episode, eh? You, at 3:02, is everyone's unspoiled reaction to this scene, and this is exactly the way a first time viewing should be. 🥲🥲
And then the surprises just keep on.
In typical Doctor Who fashion, the scene with the Doctor, and Rose (Jackie), when he pulls her out of the Tardis,😅🤣😂 and we can forget the opening for a bit, as things just build - Mickey, and other things as well.
It's almost like a Doctor All-Stars event and you've already seen how it goes - good on you for taking a shorter route, giving a Sensible Nod,😉 to some few other's baser instincts. Well Done.😝
Nothing much more to say here. A top notch season (series, sorry) ender, as Doctor Who does so well. See you next week, for the finale.😍
Great opening and closing remarks. Very reasonable on both counts.
Have a good day, Jules. 🤗💜A peaceful evening and lovely tomorrow. I await the next Doctor Who, and your reaction to the tale. Be well.🥰
Listening to you talk about how you love Doctor Who and want to keep watching it and not wanting to take a break, knowing that intro was coming... this isn't going to end well lol.
With Torchwood, you do not have to watch until after the end of series 3, it really doesn't make much difference if you see the way it ties into Doctor Who way after the fact HOWEVER I would definitely watch the first two series of Torchwood before you get to the end of series 4, there will be spoilers
The week between this episode and the next was probably the longest I've ever experienced 😂
I would imagine!!
If there's ONE series I wish I could forget and rewatch for the first time, it would be Doctor Who, specifically for these double episodes. Honestly, I absolutely love them!
Hopefully you can relive some of those feelings with the reactions 💜
I've been waiting for this - Daleks, Cybermen, Torchwood and Mickey Smith defending the world. It only gets better from here.
yeah as others have said, torchwood isn't essential to understanding any plot in doctor who - and vice versa, actually. ive heard from a few people who watched imports of torchwood having no idea it was a spinoff of another show! so you'll definitely be ok, lol. should watch it at some point though, reaction or not, cause it's a great show in it's own right imo and i feel it's right up your alley.
as a side note, this episode was directed by graeme harper, who's notable as being the only director of classic dr who to follow on to the new series. TV at the BBC was generally directed very differently back then, compared to even 2006 when this came out, and harper was known for his pretty radical (for the time) methods. he was really great at his job though, both stories he did in the 80s are classics. just a massive talent imo.
I'd forgotten how well written these first episodes were, so many twists and turns and they never felt forced.
Oh no, don't tell me they don't stay this good 🥹🥹 please, please, please let it always be this good 😭
@@julesreacts They stay good for a very long time, but all good things must come to an end.
@@julesreacts they mostly do, but like every long running show there are ups and downs... not to mention that people are not always on the same boat when it comes to what is considered good or not... so just keep watching and form your own opinion
@@julesreacts They do for the most part, it took a nose dive for Jodie Whittaker's seasons but with RTD back now it should pick up again
Great reaction Jules 🌹
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Thank you so much 😄
You will have no problem watching doctor who first and when you are done watch torchwood. I love your dw reactions and hope you will continue them
Thank you so much! That's what I thought too, I just don't have enough time to watch anything else right now 😭
It was truly a treat to see you work out what was going on in this episode XD can't wait for you to experience the interactions between the villains of the next episode
As for spin off series, it certainly helps flesh out the world and characters but it is in no way essential. For example, next season, there's a pretty big plot device that was introduced in the first season of Torchwood but since I was like 7 when that season came out and Torchwood is very much an adult show, I didn't catch up on that until over a decade later and my viewing experience and genuine passion for dr who was not affected at all. So spin-offs, nice but by no means mandatory viewing.
Hello Juliette it's Doctor Who day today again with the Army of Ghosts
and can't wait to watch it have a great beautiful day and Thank You my Friend Juliette.🎄🇦🇺🇦🇺🎀🇦🇺🇦🇺🎄
With the skipping Torchwood, like the spinoff was aimed at older, adult, fans. Whereas Doctor Who is for family/all ages.
So like when you say about being recommended to watch up to X Torchwood episode before Y Doctor Who episode: the children wouldn't have watched Torchwood (i mean i did as a kid but i shouldn't have/parents would cover my eyes or distract me or something as the really adult/graphic parts happened). and managed to understand the Y Doctor Who episode well enough, so should be fine going into revival Doctor Who S3 & doing Torchwood later.
Daleks vs Cybermen vs Doctor was something many fans wanted to see on screen. a lot of the Crew of Revival Who (especially the showrunners in charge) were massive super fans of classic who (like technically Revival Who is not too different to fan fiction), especially Russell T. Davies, so Daleks vs Cybermen vs Doctor was huge back in 2006 and was/still is a rare novelty.
You absolutely do not need to watch Torchwood to carry on with Doctor Who. There are a couple of future DW episodes where characters appear and it might feel a bit out of nowhere, but it's very much geared for a DW-only audience so you don't need to watch Torchwood to follow anything.
... that said, Torchwood is worth a watch, either on your own or on the channel when you've got the time. The first two seasons are quite hit and miss, very much DW-lite, but the third season (which is 5 episodes of a single story) is one of the best things the DW-verse ever did (and pretty much fully disconnected from DW at this point). Series four is... back to just fine.
So here's the funny thing. The Next Time previews for the episodes were typically run over the closing credits theme. Fear Her, for the first time, used a completely different score for the preview, referenced the Beast's prophecy from the Satan Pit, and generally went out of its way to give a very climactic feel to the whole thing, which at the time felt like an incredibly ominous note to end last episode on and build suspense. However.. in the process they used Rose's opening narration, fired off all her death flags, revealed Torchwood, revealed the Cybermen, and even (accidentally) revealed the Daleks. I definitely feel like you got the better deal going into this completely blind.
As for Torchwood, pretty much everything you need to know from the spinoff series will come up in Doctor Who before it's important, so you're not missing anything crucial . And I actually think some reveals are going to be more effective this way as well. Annoyingly the only thing I think would be worth knowing in advance is something I can't even hint at without spoiling something you definitely don't want to know in advance, so we'll just have to wait and see how that pans out.
This episode and the next one are two of my favourite Doctor Who episodes
Its fine to come back and watch torchwood later it does tie in but its not like if you miss torchwood you wont understand things down the line. I watched Torchwood way later and it was actually cool to see from an after perspective cos you notice more things with the forsight from doctor who. I shall not say more so as not to spoil things but yeah i think watching it later on is a good decision. Those telling you you should watch this and that episode of Torchwood before this and that episode of doctor who are just trying to be helpful if your wanting to see it in chronological order but they forget its a show about time travel so we can watch it in any order and it is still good :D So what ever works for you will work!
After Queen Victoria had knighted and "Damed" the Doctor and Rose she banished them because she was so freaked out by the idea of aliens from other planets threatening our Earth. So she founded Torchwood to keep an eye on any sign of alien activity and monitor or maybe even fight it. So far so spoiler free. Where they are at now and whether their remit is basically the same you will have judged for yourself.
Another great Doctor Who therapy session for us, thank you! I hope you had tissues handy for the next episode. The only thing missing was your cat. It gets better as well.
Awww he's not been bugging me on my desk for a while! It's SO hot here at the moment so he's been staying out of my room 😭
@@julesreacts 😭Poor kitty needs a zip on that fur coat.
Another good spin off is The Sarah Jane Adventures which has some very clever story lines.
Regarding _Torchwood:_ Here's an idea. Watch one episode of _Torchwood,_ then put it aside until you've finished the Tenth Doctor. Then, if and when you do go back to watch _Torchwood_ (and maybe also the Sarah Jane Adventures), you can do a re-watch of the relevant episodes of _Doctor Who._
I've not seen this recommended elsewhere, but if any of your trusted advisors is okay with it, it might be worth a shot.
I agree with you, do what you have the time for and feel is best. Torchwood will still be there later on. ^^ Also, I already need the next episode hahah ahhh it's so good
So Excited!
I was 9 when this episode aired, and that cliffhanger ending made me lose my mind! Torchwood finally being revealed only to find Cybermen invading from the other universe - And Mickey returning to fight them! And then we add the Daleks in the mix too!? Crazy stuff!
I think it's valid to keep watching Doctor Who rather than going back to watch Torchwood now. Without any real spoilers, Torchwood's first two series fit in between here and the end of Doctor Who Series 3, and the Sarah Jane Adventures starts around this point in the timeline too. I personally didn't see Torchwood until a bit later either (mostly because I was 9, that would not have been an appropriate show for me lol). As much as I'd love to see you react to the spinoffs now (especially the Sarah Jane Adventures, that show plus this one WERE my childhood), scheduling difficulties is a perfectly sensible reason not to, and it'll be nice to go back later and fit the puzzle pieces together. Hopefully that can happen sooner or later, I look forward to it!
i’ve only today stumbled across your channel but i’m instantly hooked! as a huge doctor who fan since childhood it’s really cool to semi-rewatch alongside you! it’s like having a friend here reacting with me haha
basically, thank you for this series and i really like & appreciate your videos!! wish u the best :)
p.s. there really is no need to watch torchwood or classic who before any of the new-who episodes - it only gives you a little context/insight to whatever it’s linked to (i hope that made sense lol)
Hello and welcome aboard! I don't have a tardis, or a sonic screwdriver, but hopefully you will enjoy the ride 💜 thank you so much for your kind words!!
This bloody series makes me cry over a bloody WALL. Ugh.
Why does this happen to us 🤣😭😭
Can't wait for the reaction of the next episode and series.