How to make a Birthday Magic Square

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  • A birthday magic square is a special type of magic square that uses someone's birth date in the top row. Then every row, column, and main diagonal add up to the special birthday number - and a whole lot of other magic properties as well!
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    Notes:
    Some people have realised it isn't always possible to make a birthday magic square that avoid negative values or repeats.
    In fact, if your total is less than 34, then you will either have repeats or negative values.
    Since a total less than 34 is unavoidable for some birth dates, I advise you don't worry about it.
    But if you embrace negative values, I think you can always avoid (additional) repeats.

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  • @esotericVideos
    @esotericVideos ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Tip for watchers: If you follow James's instructions but then mess up in the middle, you can create a custom Birthday Parker Square!

    • @namewarvergeben
      @namewarvergeben ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Now I want to know what Matt Parker's Magic Birthday Parker Square looks like

    • @Bibibosh
      @Bibibosh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      James is always right!

    • @billmaloney8595
      @billmaloney8595 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol!

    • @earningabella1540
      @earningabella1540 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@namewarvergeben😊

    • @mayanlogos92
      @mayanlogos92 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      & how does that work everytime? 😂

  • @Bronzescorpion
    @Bronzescorpion ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I don't know whether to bless you or curse you. I am a math teacher (six to nine graders) and after I had watched your video one of my pupils had her birthday, so I drew her square for her. Cue today, where another one has a birthday and immediately ask for her square. It seems that I am doomed to draw a square for each of my pupils in the class from now on, but at least they are excited about something relating to math.

  • @pegy6384
    @pegy6384 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Oh, this is so cool! Thank you for sharing the secret. This gives me about a month to practice before my sister's birthday, then I can firmly cement my standing as the nerd of the family.

  • @joeytje50
    @joeytje50 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    This might be challenging for people who were born on 01-01-2001. I would have loved to hear how you'd make your Euler square in those cases, because in that situation you'd basically have to go negative in some of the squares

    • @joeytje50
      @joeytje50 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Unless you can also use A-1, B-2, C-3, and D-4 as the top row, instead of needing positive constants added up? In the video you only mention adding a positive constant, but adding a negative constant might work I guess? Regardless, that would have been nice to include in the video

    • @Shadow81989
      @Shadow81989 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ​@@joeytje50 As long as you change the +1, +2, ... by the same offset, then every sum will simply be larger by 4x the offset (smaller for negative offsets), that's all.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@joeytje50
      As long as you use each offset number exactly once per row it doesn’t matter what the numbers are. The top row can be A-7, B+93, C-13 and D-41 if you wish, although I suspect you might want to choose easier numbers.

    • @frechjo
      @frechjo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@joeytje50 Yeah, with so many 1s I think you can't avoid going negative. All letters combine with all numbers.
      Let's say A = B = C. And let's say you use natural numbers x, y and z respectively in the first row.
      You will have all combinations {A-x, A-y, A-z, B-x, B-y, B-z, C-x, C-y, C-z}
      It's not important which one is bigger, so lets assume x > y > z.
      For any L in {A,B,C}, if L-x = 1, then L-z < L-y < L-x = 1
      Even if L-y=0, L-z < 0

    • @MrCheeze
      @MrCheeze ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@ragnkja Wait, so that means the offsets aren't actually necessary at all - they can just be (0, 0, 0, 0) if you want.

  • @jivingwatermelon4884
    @jivingwatermelon4884 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a treat for a Sunday afternoon - I can see my other tasks are going to remain undone as I play around with magic squares!

    • @mikelevels1
      @mikelevels1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol! I frequently do the same! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ShadowKestrel
    @ShadowKestrel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    even looking at this from the viewpoint of degrees of freedom... this is so neat, I love this !

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks for this. And especially for highlighting the various other magic sets of 4 cells. (So often, people show magic squares without going that extra distance to work in extra magic.)
    That trick you showed at the end for avoiding duplicates is useful, too.

  • @faokie
    @faokie ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First square with repeats: What is this a Matt Parker video?
    From 6:10 on: Oh, there we go

  • @xxMrPHDxx
    @xxMrPHDxx ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favorite Mathematician 😍

  • @xyz.ijk.
    @xyz.ijk. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So happy to see something on your channel!

  • @harmidis
    @harmidis ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The real magic is just You!

  • @iowyyn
    @iowyyn ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got a family member who's going to find this beyond exciting.
    I'd forgotten about this so it is a great reminder to get one created now.

  • @mbcommandnerd
    @mbcommandnerd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To help people who are stuck: before you do any adding, you need to subtract the numbers in the top row by the numbers shown in the formula square for each box in that row.
    So for the example provided in this video, that would go like this:
    15 - 1 = 14
    4 - 2 = 2
    17 - 3 = 14
    7 - 4 = 3
    Now that you’ve done that, the next step is to go ahead and follow the remainder of the formula, inserting the results from the subtraction instead of the actual numbers in the top row. And that should do it!

    • @rendarcrow
      @rendarcrow ปีที่แล้ว

      Ty so much mine didn't work at all until this

  • @11Natrium
    @11Natrium ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well well well, my birthday is tomorrow... What nice timing!

  • @WAMTAT
    @WAMTAT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching this on my Birthday.

  • @JohnLeePettimoreIII
    @JohnLeePettimoreIII ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the singing banana has returned! let the rejoicing begin!

  • @vasudevjs2468
    @vasudevjs2468 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are many ways it results into 43... love that!!

  • @EZKATKA527
    @EZKATKA527 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey good to see you back!

  • @rajatgupta4494
    @rajatgupta4494 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see your video after such long time.

  • @SuperYoonHo
    @SuperYoonHo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Woooh!!! Thanks Doctor Grimes!!!

  • @abraham4124
    @abraham4124 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video!

  • @kens9979
    @kens9979 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    enjoy all your videos. More please

  • @mrwhite8420
    @mrwhite8420 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool trick, thank you so much)

  • @olivarra1
    @olivarra1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    today it's my birthday :D thank you for your present!

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 ปีที่แล้ว

    I knew there had to be a way to do that. Thank you.

  • @g7sky
    @g7sky ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @5:29. for the top row before you plug in and start adding
    A + 1 = 15. Solve for A and. A = 14
    B + 2 = 04. Solve for B and. B = 02
    C + 3 = 17. Solve for C and. C = 14
    D + 4 = 07. Solve for D and. D = 03
    Now you can start plug in ABCD and adding N. in the bottom rows

    • @forisrex
      @forisrex ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thank you

    • @JenniferIngrey
      @JenniferIngrey ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! I was a bit lost

    • @g7sky
      @g7sky ปีที่แล้ว

      @@forisrex np. I was lost my self

    • @mbcommandnerd
      @mbcommandnerd ปีที่แล้ว

      So you’re subtracting instead of adding? Cause that B line looks suspiciously like 4 - 2; NOT 4 + 2.

  • @matthewellisor5835
    @matthewellisor5835 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great one. My thoughts first go to how this could be worked into a Brushwood style performance.
    Thanks!

  • @TheAstronomyDude
    @TheAstronomyDude ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super cool! I'm gonna make a magic calender which generates a new square every day.

  • @alwysrite
    @alwysrite ปีที่แล้ว

    what a great video - this is what would make math interesting in classrooms !

  • @stevefrandsen7897
    @stevefrandsen7897 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work James

  • @TommentSection
    @TommentSection ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice! Fun twist on a this idea

  • @WerIstWieJesus
    @WerIstWieJesus ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent explication

  • @davidlam26
    @davidlam26 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW! After leaning from Ramanujan's magic square, this Euler's method is very logical and easy to understand! Thanks!👍

    • @singingbanana
      @singingbanana  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh great! I did a follow-up video where I mention the Ramanujan square.

  • @dancingfeet9572
    @dancingfeet9572 ปีที่แล้ว

    AMAZING !!...

  • @Rincenso
    @Rincenso ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well, Eulers Square seems to work better than that Parker Square one. :P

  • @superrabbit224
    @superrabbit224 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I played around a bit and I found a funny one for me :)
    1, 9, 19, 99
    9, 109, 29, -19
    129, 11, -21, 9
    -11, -1, 101, 39

  • @Maninawig
    @Maninawig ปีที่แล้ว

    A good gift to give on their magic birthday

  • @abdulrhmanaun
    @abdulrhmanaun 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's awesome

  • @deliciousrose
    @deliciousrose ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You're back! Been wondering if there would be new video with all maths events happening these few months.
    Would love to try it, looks a bit tricky for people with special date. Maybe substitute the additional numbers with primes would help it.
    P.S. : my sister's birthday is coming up soon, this might be a good idea for personalized, nerdy birthday card!

  • @ProbusMihraban
    @ProbusMihraban ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice

  • @25NN25
    @25NN25 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    just in time for me to create a birthday magic square today, on my birthday. very cool

    • @WAMTAT
      @WAMTAT ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Happy Birthday, hope you have a great day

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว

      Happy birthday! May you live as long as you want to, and want to as long as you live.

    • @angelinaa_xoxo
      @angelinaa_xoxo ปีที่แล้ว

      happy birthday!!🎉

  • @reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
    @reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's magic!

  • @OneTrueBadShoe
    @OneTrueBadShoe ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I constructed one for another of my favorite TH-camr's birthday. I might send it to him on his birthday.
    22 12 19 80
    28 71 07 27
    57 20 35 21
    26 30 72 05
    My numbers have a greater range (2, -13, 1, 10) just to make patterns harder to see.
    Great video, as always.

  • @aleksitjvladica.
    @aleksitjvladica. ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!

  • @driptcg
    @driptcg ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video

  • @GenericAnimeBoy
    @GenericAnimeBoy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The version with the repeated entries is a bit of a Parker square, innit?

  • @matttondr9282
    @matttondr9282 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool!! Now I want to make a birthday magic square generator in python haha.

  • @TheZotmeister
    @TheZotmeister ปีที่แล้ว

    If I recall correctly, someone actually did this on _Penn & Teller: Fool Us_ as part of a trick. (They didn't fool them.)

  • @turun_ambartanen
    @turun_ambartanen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about the 01.01.2000? Do you just fill in negative numbers?
    Edit: Should have finished the video first, lol
    You can just replace the D+4 (meaning D would be -4) with D-4, meaning D is 4 and all other numbers you fill in will be positive

  • @danruiz3468
    @danruiz3468 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. Are there magic squares of any size? 3 X 3 or 5 X 5?

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This method doesn’t work for 2x2 or 6x6, but any other size should work.

  • @rickseiden1
    @rickseiden1 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wait, a magic square? You should show this to Matt Parker! #ParkerSquare

    • @vincentpelletier57
      @vincentpelletier57 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Somehow I have a feeling that if Matt tries it, it will be impossible for some reason.

    • @paulsidhuUK
      @paulsidhuUK ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Matt Parker's date of birth is the only combination that doesn't work 🤪

  • @hintswen3632
    @hintswen3632 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat

  • @escapedpenguin
    @escapedpenguin ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely thank you. I'm stuck in bed today, and needed a project!

  • @Hyperbola-xn7ms
    @Hyperbola-xn7ms 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey prof , appearently i have a solution to zeno's last step paradox , how can i send it to you?

  • @brandontaylor8762
    @brandontaylor8762 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something about the way you presented this made me think of Stan from the Secret of Monkey Island

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi ปีที่แล้ว

    I had to do quite a bit of trial and error fixing trying to follow your method in the beginning. The choice of 15 and 17, and 04 and 07 made it particularly difficult to get it right. Having been born in the later part of 20th century, I was occasionally perhaps 60 short. Once I was 70 too much, sometimes just 5. I gave up trying to figure out which ones were in relation to which when everything else was fine but the diagonals, corners, center and split diagonals were all 5 short.
    The one problem with this I see is keeping tabs in your head about letters and numbers unless you learn the algorithm by heart. Like if you're trying to first figure out where A's are and then where the numbers are, you'll have forgotten it before you get to writing the actual numbers. And if you solve the letter+number combinations, the one who you're trying to surprise sees your method and it won't be as exciting.

  • @MK00040
    @MK00040 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    interesting how a lot of people start drawing an "8" at the top. I always begin in the center of the 8 and start drawing to the bottom left

    • @GirishManjunathMusic
      @GirishManjunathMusic ปีที่แล้ว

      I both start and end top-middle, but start lifting my pen half-way between midde and top-right.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว

      I was originally taught to draw it starting at the top, but switched to starting in the middle and going to the top left first as an adult (after seeing it recommended somewhere and trying it, whereupon I found I preferred doing that).

  • @skyscraperfan
    @skyscraperfan ปีที่แล้ว

    Are negative numbers allowed in magic squares? If somebody was born in 2000, D+4 has to be zero. So D+1, D+2 and D+3 would all be negative. Is there a way to avoid negative numbers?

    • @singingbanana
      @singingbanana  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you change the order of 1, 2, 3, 4 then the year 2000 can be C+4 and D+1. Then the 00 will increase and the 20 will decrease. You are going to get stuck in some extreme cases, such as 01-01-2000. In that case, you'll just have to use negative numbers, that's fine.

  • @StoccoPschiozzoLego
    @StoccoPschiozzoLego ปีที่แล้ว

    If your day of month is the same number as the month you are basically screwed. Yes, you can build the "sudoku" but it's not magic as there are same numbers :/ But fortunately those people save a lot of time filling US/EU forms as you basically never know the order they want the date (mm/dd/yyyy, dd.mm.yyyy, yyyy-mm-dd).

  • @mathematicsolympiadchannel5345
    @mathematicsolympiadchannel5345 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir I made formula for 6×6 magic square. Pls tell how can I send you.

  • @benjaminbaron3209
    @benjaminbaron3209 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd say it's much easier with 0, -1, -2 and -3.

    • @remischmitt9308
      @remischmitt9308 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      unless you are born on 31-12-1999 then the original is better.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว

      Use whatever numbers you like.

  • @U014B
    @U014B ปีที่แล้ว

    I call shenanigans. If this is true, then according to the Pythagorean Theorem, 15 plus 4 would equal 17.

  • @garaksboyfriend8177
    @garaksboyfriend8177 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know Matt Parker's birthdate?

  • @thinboxdictator6720
    @thinboxdictator6720 ปีที่แล้ว

    up next:
    how to make magic square from CSC number :)

  • @marvinabarquez8915
    @marvinabarquez8915 ปีที่แล้ว

    People born on 01/01/1000: *cries*

  • @chih_le
    @chih_le ปีที่แล้ว +1

    minimised the standard deviation of the numbers on top of making them all different :)
    15 03 19 96
    28 87 06 12
    69 10 30 24
    21 33 78 01

  • @catman64k
    @catman64k ปีที่แล้ว +2

    just bad if your birthday already have repeated numbers xd

    • @singingbanana
      @singingbanana  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup. Sometimes repeats really are unavoidable!

  • @krwada
    @krwada ปีที่แล้ว

    Mathematics and mathematicians are way cool. Only mathematicians can have fun with numbers such as this ... and sometimes get paid for doing such things!

  • @noblesleem1077
    @noblesleem1077 ปีที่แล้ว

    15-04-17(07)

  • @jhonnyrodrigues
    @jhonnyrodrigues ปีที่แล้ว

    Just one day before my birthday o/

  • @nelmezzodelcammin
    @nelmezzodelcammin ปีที่แล้ว

    I dind't get it. If c =17 how can c+4 = 18?

    • @NotKyleChicago
      @NotKyleChicago ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Are you sure it wasn't c+3=17 ?

  • @Petch85
    @Petch85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My birthday number is 133 :-)

  • @trexpaddock
    @trexpaddock ปีที่แล้ว

    But, my birthday has repeating numbers in it. ;(

  • @SpitefulAZ
    @SpitefulAZ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is today your birthday by chance? Today is my birthday.....

  • @ozargaman6148
    @ozargaman6148 ปีที่แล้ว

    Euler probably prefered burger king over mcdonalds

  • @baasmommel
    @baasmommel ปีที่แล้ว

    :)

  • @colejw2007
    @colejw2007 ปีที่แล้ว

    mine looks like: (with repeats)
    16 03 20 07
    21 06 17 02
    05 18 05 18
    04 19 04 19
    magic constant = 46
    (without repeats)
    16 03 20 07
    21 06 15 04
    08 23 02 13
    01 14 09 22
    magic constant = 46

  • @firstnamelastname307
    @firstnamelastname307 ปีที่แล้ว

    But, there is no 18'th month ...

  • @sk8rdman
    @sk8rdman ปีที่แล้ว

    So it looks to me like if you want to do this on the fly in front of people, without any repeated values, then instead of filling in all of the squares by letters, fill them in by number first. This way you can double check as you do it to make sure that you're not repeating any values. As a starting point, make sure that none of the 4 numbers you are adding are the same as the differences between any of the two numbers in the top row. If you like, you can even use negative numbers.
    The only problem with doing birthdays though, is that some people will have repeated numbers in their birthday, like March 03, for example. To avoid this, maybe just ask someone to give you four different numbers.

  • @oldcowbb
    @oldcowbb ปีที่แล้ว +2

    90% of mathematical methods are called euler's method

  • @gamechanger217
    @gamechanger217 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's ramujan formula like similarly 😂😂

  • @rogerkearns8094
    @rogerkearns8094 ปีที่แล้ว

    1st Jan 2000 is a bit awkward.

  • @zunaidparker
    @zunaidparker ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It's a bit of a Parker Square isn't it? 😂 With too many repeated numbers unfortunately.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That’s addressed in the video.

    • @CafePorLaNoche
      @CafePorLaNoche ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Watch until the end of the video 🙌

  • @TheAntibozo
    @TheAntibozo ปีที่แล้ว

    Would have been happier if you'd used ISO date format. It is the only correct way. Enjoyed the video regardless, however, as always.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It should work just as well in that format 🙂

    • @SoleaGalilei
      @SoleaGalilei ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You must be fun at parties.

    • @rosiefay7283
      @rosiefay7283 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not taking any lessons on how to format dates so long as there are people who put the month first and the day next to the year.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rosiefay7283
      While there are contexts when the ISO format is very much preferable (such as when labelling files or folders), I’m happy as long as the month is in the middle.

    • @TheAntibozo
      @TheAntibozo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rosiefay7283 People who order the magnitudes backwards are even worse. But that's what ISO 8601 exists to fix.

  • @haflam.
    @haflam. ปีที่แล้ว

    Rather ugly with repeated numbers. You could also copy row one 3 times, offset by 1 column every time.

    • @isaacjones5937
      @isaacjones5937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He does address the repetition later in the video

    • @custardo
      @custardo ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If only you had watched the video to the end before making this comment

    • @remischmitt9308
      @remischmitt9308 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Then the diagonal doesn't follow the same rule.

  • @fnegnilr
    @fnegnilr ปีที่แล้ว

    #simple notebook
    import numpy as np
    MSqr = np.array(4)
    raw_input=input("PLEASE ENTER YOUR BIRTHDAY INFO ie 15 04 17 07 AS DD MO CENT YR, SEPARATED BY SPACES::")
    # here we use space, but anything can be the separator
    input_list = raw_input.split(" ")
    # dtype is needed here, else you get strings
    arr = np.array(input_list, dtype=int)
    MSqr = ([arr[0] ,arr[1] ,arr[2] , arr[3]],
    [arr[2] + 1 ,arr[3] - 1, arr[0] + 1, arr[1] - 1],
    [arr[3] - 2, arr[2] -2, arr[1] + 2, arr[0] + 2],
    [arr[1] + 1, arr[0] + 3, arr[3] -3, arr[2] - 1])
    #print("

    Square matrix
    ", MSqr)
    print(MSqr[0]) # row 1
    print(MSqr[1]) # row 2
    print(MSqr[2])
    print(MSqr[3])
    print("
    ")
    print("1st cell of matrix",MSqr[0][0]) # 1st cell of matrix
    print("last cell of matrix",MSqr[3][3]) # last cell of matrix
    print(" partial check")
    print("Diagonal = ",MSqr[0][0] + MSqr[1][1] + MSqr[2][2] + MSqr[3][3])
    print("1st column = ", MSqr[0][0] + MSqr[0][1] + MSqr[0][2] + MSqr[0][3])
    print("last column = ", MSqr[3][0] + MSqr[3][1] + MSqr[3][2] + MSqr[3][3])
    print("4 corners")
    MSqr[0][0] + MSqr[0][3] + MSqr[3][0] + MSqr[3][3]
    It seems to work but, somebody please make it pretty..... Thanks