Idaho Murders: Deep dive into evidence, Bryan Kohberger arrest affidavit |
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- WFLA Now's JB Biunno, WFLA's Josh Benson, NewsNation's Robert Sherman, and Peter Tragos, the Lawyer You Know do a breakdown of the probable cause affidavit used to arrest Idaho student murder suspect Bryan Kohberger.
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I am so glad that law enforcement carefully managed this case with discipline, expertise and professionalism. At every level they have done a superior job.
Totally agree they aren’t going to let this monster get away praying 🙏🏻 for all of the families of these beautiful young souls I can’t imagine there pain but genuinely getting the monster who did it is the most important thing in some way to know justice will be served.
Truckee should take notes.
Yes! All the folks saying they were local and therefore incompetent need to apologize!
@@rachaelkopp3792 yesss!
Here I thought the case was going cold ...Great job to.all agencies...we found out that one of the surviving roommates saw the killer but I know 100 percent I had heard that somewhere before today and it's really bothering because I don't know if I dreamt it( that would freak me out) or if I heard it somewhere...did anyone else hear that she had seen him?? Let me know if you did please...
Also wouldn't the roommate would have heard all the screams?? So lost about that...
Why didn't she call.911 until noon next day? Did she see her friends dead after he left?
This case just infuriates me on so many levels. The two girls had a male with them at the food truck who was watching them to make sure they were ok. They Ubered home instead of driving drunk. The couple had the locks changed on her bedroom door. They were all four (six including the other two) doing what college kids do on a regular basis. They went out, and they made it home. The fact that he was waiting there to do what he did is so deeply distressing. They all had such bright futures and were so loved by family, friends, community. It is just so senseless!! It just drives home that you can live your life and do so many things right and still be prey to some sick individual!! As a parent, you can't fathom that you send your child to college and they might not come home!! So very sad!!
It really is tragic no matter what you can do someone can always get to you.
AND he obviously knew exactly which rooms to go in. Somebody must have told him that info. I believe he had an accomplice.
and these are supposed to be the carefree days of your child's life, with the promise that if they work hard they can achieve anything. That is until you meet the Nicholas Cruzes and Kohberger of this world that not only kills these kids but also traumatize a whole generation out of envy because they have some sort of evil within them.
Dudes with few friends, no girl friends, hang out at bar and cannot connect with women. Angry incels.
Unfortunately we can't send our children to bed and guarantee thier safe anymore. Not safe at home, at school, concerts, even playing in your front yard! Disgusting world are children live in now!
In 1983. I had a stalker who terrified me at his leisure. He was outside my living room window with an ice pick the first time I saw him. Another time I was in the shower when I could hear walking around in my apartment, this was the first and only time I experienced being paralyzed with fear! This is real it can really happen to you! I couldn't move , I could barely breathe! When I could finally move , and I got out of the shower, all of the pictures and crosses in my apartment were upside down! You can't imagine such fear unless you experience it, which I pray to God none of you ever do. My heart and prayers go out to the families and the victims, and I just want you to know first hand being paralyzed with fear is a genuine and real thing! It's terrifying, I pray you never experience it.
Yep, been there. And it stops you for a minute...you are unable to move..unable to think about moving. Until you do. Once you move you can also think though you are still plenty scared. She SHUT AND LOCKED HER DOOR. That is extensive movement. If she is able to make the decision to shut and lock her door, she had enough decision making skills available to also decide to check up on her roomates while locked in the safety of her room.
That’s so terrible. I’m glad you are safe now and I’m so sorry something like that happened to you.
I am so so so sorry you went through this. How did this resolve? Did you get counseling? Did this guy go to jail?
@@WindsofChange exactly
@@WindsofChange I understand what you are saying. Why not text her room mates or call them to see if everything is okay? While still behind her locked bedroom door, she could have at least sent a text message to each of them.
There were two surviving roommates . Why is nobody talking about the other one?
Because the other one didn't see the guy
I think people should ease up on DM here. I was assaulted in 2007 and even I didn't call the cops during or after it happened. It took until the next day to report it. You don't know what shock and fear do to a person in the moment. Please give her some grace here. It is NOT her fault that this happened and she herself is a victim. DM- I know you'll get through this with time and therapy. My prayers are with you.
People cannot possibly think this woman would knowingly shut her door and ignore an event if she thought something horrible had happened!
Not to mention, this is the one and only WITNESS! If not for her, no one would be any the wiser there was someone she didn't know in the home and was able to give a description that it was a man and what he looked like.
Why don't any of these people in the media come to her defense & talk about the invaluable information she was able to provide as opposed to wasting their time speculating away about her It's irresponsible and is what is contributing to those who want to find fault w/her.
I agree. I remember sing 20 years old.She was terrified, afraid to come out of her room to see what had happened, but didn't know for sure if something had happened. She wasn't thinking about the police. She was just scared and confused.
I would still be in the hospital, drugged up if that happened to me.
I really like your comment about this poor girl. I am sure she was shocked and afraid. IT IS NOT her fault at all.
@isabel lind you know when evil is around and you phone the cops when evil departs not your friends. DM saw evil leave for crying out aloud. I can understand you wait for 1 or 2 hours to see whether he returns and because you are shocked but 7 to 8 hours and then you phone your friends. Please give me a break. I've been in similar situation(s) it does not wash with me. Something is terribly off.
As a Trauma RN x 15 years…I believe she saw a heck of a lot more than even she may know. I think her brain seized up and she became “catatonic”, and it was a time unknown before she fully comprehended what happened. I have seen victims of severe fright and trauma behave in so many different ways that you can’t use predictive values. Seriously can’t comprehend how you think in such actions.
Naw. I disagree. How did he get in the house. Seems like roommate set them up for some unknown reason. People use knifes for vendetta like oj Simpson. Some type of dispute.
From my personal experience, extreme fear /shock can make a person ‘like catatonic’, immobilized, brain-confounded or even shut down. People on talk radio and social media, even opinion reporters on tv questioned as to why she didn’t call police immediately- which infuriated me as people just don’t understand ,as they fortunately have not been through domestic violence, stranger violence/stalking/kidnapping...every person might respond differently- go into denial and solitude,get major panic attack and be in bathroom or cover up in bed , hide in closet, seek safety in bed and brain puts you to sleep to calm the trauma. This case will always be in my mind from my past situation-it was a trigger for my brain of things I felt I had worked through- so much prayers for the survivor who saw the man, for all the parents,family and friends ; more prayers to ask for strength, discernment, awareness, composure, calm.
I agree totally.... from the minute the affidavit was released..... I think she heard them being killed and was terrified. She may have been cowering in her closet terrified.
@@Coco-de2ei I'm inclined to agree. Sadly, I can't help but to wonder if the witness isn't an accomplice. The delay in calling police especially, as if waiting to make sure the others were dead... It just sounds suspicious.
@@Coco-de2ei that's just cruel....
As a recent graduate, who spent 1.5 years in an off campus house, of five girls, the actions of the surviving roommate is not suspicious. My house wasn’t even a “party house” at all. But with 5 university women in one house, you can expect at least one of us has at least one guest over at a time. I remember one day in particular, I heard the door slam, thing falling over and other weird noises from upstairs. I was genuinely scared. But I called my bf, who told me that calling the police was a bit of a jump considering how many people I lived with and the fact that it was a weekend night. I later found out that he was right and it was a roommate who had a bad night and was upset. This is only ONE instance,of me being nervous about what was going on outside my bedroom, out of many. I’ve heard roommates sobbing, yelling, cheering, jumping more often than I appreciated. And keep in mind, I also contributed to the chaos of a house of young women. I know I sobbed, yelled and jumped as well! It comes with the territory of living with socially active, young, vibrant college women. I understand questioning the actions of the roommate. But it is not crazy to think that she was scared but didn’t think her entire house was being ravaged by a psychotic stranger. Nor is it insane to imagine her ordering food and being up past 4 am and not leaving her bedroom until close to noon. My heart goes out to her and all of the people affected by this. They do not deserve to be blamed, shamed or bullied for something that destroyed their own lives.
Bullshit!
Yes.. well said. People are forgetting this was a college house! Not a family home. I never had roommates but had friends who did and this is how it was.
But it said she heard screaming, crying, Kaylee saying “ someone’s in the house “ knowing Kaylee had a stalker, & saw a random man in all black and a face mask in the house. I wouldn’t say she was in on it but she definitely was aware something criminal just happened, rather it be sexual assault or murder or burglary. At least that’s my assumption based on the information said in this video
Yes people don’t understand how there’s always weird noises in a house filled with whores and serial killers ☠️🔪🍆💦
I’m so glad you said all this. I didn’t live in a situation like this but I could imagine it and could totally see how she would have maybe been nervous and shocked to see someone but then explained it away as probably nothing in her head. No one wants the cops showing up for what could be nothing. I do think I would have at least yelled out “hey is everything ok?” once the guy left but who knows what any of us would do in that situation. I don’t fault her at all and get how it could all play out the way it did. Thanks again for sharing your experience as it confirmed what I assumed happened. ❤
Waiting 8 hrs to call 911 doesn't add up.
They are kids. Probably their first experience of this type. You don't know how you would react until you're in that situation
Hubby and I had to share a house with co-workers for a 3 month period for a contract that we had to oversee in a town with limited housing. They were lovely people and our friends. Fridays they used to go to the bar and bring people they met back to the house and barbecue 11pm at night and visit. They would not be loud but there's nothing like opening the door to go to the kitchen and come face to face with a complete stranger in the passage. That made me go back in our room and lock the door. I would never have imagined that my friends would be murdered because normal people don't think something like that could ever happen because the average person is not evil and don't go to those thoughts immediately. You get a fright and think tommorow I will ask that they don't bring strangers home and then you go to sleep behind a locked door.
@ECBH understandably so but covid masks has made that an everyday occurrence to see people in masks and if I read it correctly it states that the mask covered his mouthand nose, so I'm waiting to hear if it was a balaclava type mask or covid type mask. We only came off mandated mask wearing in September 2022 in Botswana, and still some people feel comfortable to still wear masks.
Normal people do not go to bars in a new place they just moved to and invite strangers to their house to BBQ in the middle of the night... unless they are horny guys bringing women over and having orgies...so..did they have orgies?
@ECBH awwe you are such a kind person. No thats why we have discussions and think what might have happened, we speculate and cocus and we get perspective from other people which is so good and thought provoking. Because we each bring our life experiences and how we view situations but then you hear other human beings experiences and it make us think.
@Barry Suss No its just a very small farming community that still greets and meets everybody like they are friends. In south africa it is how it used to be and no it was husband and wife that went out. I know I'm a city girl and inherently more aware of the stranger danger, but country folks (which they were) see everyone as a new friend and believe in old fashioned hospitality. But I digress, all I want to say is that people are different and they react and act different and we should keep that in mind when hearing the prob cause affidavit which only contains the bare necessary points, and all the witness testimonies and explanations will still come out in the trial. we can at best speculate and draw from our own experiences to try and understand but we still have not walked a mile in anyone shoes so it is at best speculation.
Exactly 💯
As someone who has been in a situation where I had to hide and stay quiet when someone was coming after me….seeing the way this girl has been torn apart brings me to tears. Unless you’ve been in a situation like that, you cannot judge. You also don’t know how you will respond until you are faced with a situation like that. You may think you’d do x,y,z, but you find yourself paralyzed with fear. You literally go into a survival mode. Stay as quiet as possible. Don’t unlock the door. Minutes feel like hours. You’re scared to look. What if they’re waiting for you? You’re scared to move an inch in case the bed moves or floor creaks…calling the cops is out of the question…they’re going to hear you on the phone & then you’re found out…. Dylan is a very brave young woman & no doubt absolutely traumatized, riddled with survivor’s guilt. The reality is…if she had made a sudden movement, or screamed, or gotten on the phone…if she hadn’t closed & locked that door, stayed still, stayed quiet….she might not be here today. That people are going around shaming her or theorizing she was somehow involved is quite frankly disgusting.
@@jaredphelps4226You don't know how you'd react. You're not a college girl facing someone clearly bigger and stronger than you. Everyone thinks they'd be a hero, but few are faced with those circumstances.
@@jaredphelps4226- Why? She would be dead otherwise.
I agree. There is so much we don't know. People are so quick to condemn those whose story and life experience they know nothing about. My default is compassion for her.
Like do these people not understand that freezing could have saved her life? Like that kid would have been so so so afraid of the killer coming back for her. These people are so non empathetic.
He pulls the sleeve down and hides his right arm between legs, gets licence back with left hand
When I was 18 yrs old someone broke into my home wearing a ski mask. I absolutely froze. Thankfully, he wasn’t expecting to see me either and ran out of the house. Who did I call first? My MOM and then she called the police. No one can predict their reaction to any situation.
It's strange how ppl feel like do I call the police? I've done it too I almost feel like I'll be in trouble if I do it's a very odd feeling...
@@xXxMerandahxXx In this case, I can't see how that would even be a question, unless there are other details here.
@@xXxMerandahxXx She didn't even suggest that.. Reach
No one calls the police in this situation simply because in this case, the police work for the bad guys…
I just don’t understand. It was a gruesome crime scene with a lot of blood who cleaned that up . Why was police called hours later and I can’t believe that it was only one person who could overpower four people without the other ones hearing the screaming and yelling and you know there was. I believe the other people that were in there, know more than what they’re saying and why are they free police can’t be that stupid something is wrong with this picture
I think it is very unfair and inaccurate to say that DM “made eye contact” that’s not what it says. It says she saw someone walking towards her and froze. Doesn’t say if she shut the door before he got closer. Doesn’t say he saw her. Doesn’t say how wide open her door was. Doesn’t say if she was inside her room just putting her head out. So everyone asking why he didn’t hurt her.. it’s very possible he didn’t see her. Also, seeing a man in my house is going to scare me. But then I’m going to talk myself down. He’s wearing all black, cool lots of people do. He’s got a mask covering the lower half of his face. Okay? That’s fairly common since the last few years cause he basically has a c-vid mask on. He left out of a door. He didn’t come back for her. From this document it doesn’t say what else she heard or saw. It’s very possible she talked herself out of being terrified and went back to sleep. Perfectly rational thing so people claiming anything about this poor traumatized girl need to leave it til more information is released.
100% and sad anyone needs to be told this.
Agreed. They make too many assumptions in this.
If you need to talk yourself down from being In that much fear, wouldn’t you go see if your roommates saw him, or at least text them, or aak why someone was crying and who needed help? I’m really looking forward to hearing more info because that response doesn’t make sense with what we currently know.
@@rationalskeptic1 for me personally? No. Have you never been terrified of something before? Or had severe anxiety over something? In this case, IF any of this were even true about her thought process at the time. This is just my personal theory and nothing I know for fact. But part of my personal logic would be not only explaining away his appearance but also justify who and why he was there. I’d tell myself he was with one of my roommates, maybe I didn’t hear what I thought I heard. Or maybe this guy was with one of your roommates and they got in a fight causing the girl to cry. (remember DM was asleep and I don’t think she knew who came back when or with who. Totally normal for a college house like this. Also, there were parties at this house with none of the people who lived there even being present) I didn’t always know who my roommates had in their personal room with them. And if I looked out in the hall in the middle of the night, in the dark, and saw a figure I would have frozen also which is my personal stress response. But once the person left and the adrenaline left I’d explain to myself that he was coming out of my roommates bedroom and walking, not running, to an exterior door. Is that really that odd of an occurrence when you think about the few facts we do know at this time? Again, it’s all just my personal theory and something I think could explain the time difference.
@@rationalskeptic1 sorry for all my rambling. But also to point out, we all know what this guy did. And yah if you look at the situation with what we know he did, it’s explained as a violent murderer walking toward you. That’s terrifying and logically brings up the question of why wouldn’t you call 911. We critique her actions with knowledge that she did not have at the time this happened. She didn’t know it was a killer coming at her. It was just a college aged guy in her house. So, I think the initial shock is going to cause a second of panic and initiate your fight flight or freeze response. Which that shock explains her initial fear that explains her locking herself in her room. But panic does not stay with us. Fight flight or freeze is a short instinctual response and can not be sustained by the human body or mind. This was a small college town. They hadn’t had a murder in this county in multiple years. They probably didn’t even have much crime. So I just don’t think that’s where your mind initially goes if you have no real reason to believe that it’s a murderer in your house. You believe you are safe because the town is safe, you live with a bunch of people, there is a dog in the house. It would not have stopped barking if there was an intruder, at least that’s kind of a logical thought even if it isn’t true. Also, when you are young and in college you think you are invisible. Personal safety or the safety of other people is not always at the forefront of your mind. I put myself in multiple scenarios that could have turned out horrifically for me when I was in college. And had something happen it would have been very easy for people to think “why did she decide to do that? That’s obviously not a smart idea. I would have never put myself in a position like that.” Cause it is easy to look at a situation in hindsight and point out what people should have or shouldn’t have done.
Years ago I had a stalker, I told a friend that I was going to Hawaii for 6 weeks. When I got home there was a note saying, "see you in Hawaii". Never saw him in Hawaii, but he did put fear in me. I decided to move to Hawaii, so no more stalking happened. Guess he couldn't afford to come to Hawaii, or found someone else.
Hope you reported it. Pathological behaviors are not likely to change
Hope you didn’t reveal your Hawaii move
The stalker I had was 30 years ago. I didn't report him because the word stalker really wasn't used at that time. We would refer to them as weirdos or A$$ holes. I probably would have reported him to the officials but, I never felt threatened by him. I think I would have if I felt threatened. It was a different time, I don't think they would have done anything because he didn't hurt me,. If I did feel fear, I would have called my Cousin who was a green Beret at the time. He once told me if I needed him, he would bring his team and they would take care of it. When I was pregnant with my first child, I needed my husband to give the doctor a blood sample . We were going through crazy stuff and he was pissed. He got arrested for a DUi, so he was vacationing at the local jailhouse. Unknown to me my Mother called my cousin, so he got into the jail somehow. He told my husband, you can go to the Infirmary to give the blood, or I can toss you down the stairs and we'll collect it the bottom. I never knew about this until years later I was planning a birthday party for my Aunt. My husband say don't invite that crazy a$$ cousin of yours. Then story came out. He's been retired for years now, but if I ever need help, I'll just call my Special forces Grandson. Military service is part of our family heritage from; my brother's, my Grandsons and my cousins. They have had action in the Cuban crisis, Vietnam and Afghanistan. They have served mainly in the Army and the Navy. I'm very proud of each and every one of them.
Oh wow, U must be so rich to live in Hawaii or u just realllllllllllllly like meth
He was all talk and no stalk
When I was 5 months pregnant, 2 men broke in and held me at gun point at 9- 9:40 am. I was so terrified once they left I sat in a corner until my husband came home at 4 pm. He found me with tears still falling fown my face and called the police.
One never knows how someone will react in this stressful situation. I couldn't imagine how I would've been with 4 friends killed in my home.
So glad you survived and hopefully you have gotten therapy.
Thank you for sharing that.
god bless you always...you poor thing..glad your alive
I had a gang of 5 men push their way into my house. They wanted to take others with them (while the other hid under my platform bed). I talked to them, I smoozed them and I LIED like a dang hotel of beds to them till they believed me and left. If someone wanted to take your baby, would you still curl up in a corner and whimper or would you get up and get your brain in gear and do what you gotta do to save the baby? I got my brain in gear and I pulled the rabbit out of the hat. But then again I care very much about others and not just myself and I'm not some helpless hanna.
@@maureens100 thank you
Sending thoughts of healing, love, comfort, compassion, and peace to the families of those young souls whose lives are lost because of this horrific act of violence.
It’s tragic to think that you send your beloved children to school, going after their dreams, then, out of nowhere there’s someone who is plotting against your very existence.
May they rest in peace and may their families and friends heal from this heartbreaking experience.
Take care and be safe always. 🙏🏼😢
If I could, I would have attended the 1 year
Let's remember Ted Bundy walked passed a girl walking into the sorority house after he beat 4 woman 3 died one survived, Bundy described it as being spent and feeling exhausted after he would kill, he literally brushed up against the girl walking up the steps in the sorority house. So this guy could have been mentally and physically spent especially if had killed the intended target. This may explain why he let other two girls live?
He did circle back around the house after it was over. He may have been intending to go back for the sheath but changed his mind. It's in the affidavit, he circled back!
I also wonder if he was chemically altered
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@@deliajones9541 WHATTTTTTTT???????
He killed 2 that night
Detectives were ten steps ahead of everyone and what they let on. I bet they had this guy in their scopes within the first week or two. Much respects to them.
Yeah, they did not let it out that they had their guy early on. They just left out that they were looking for that white car like they had no idea if it was him.
Finally they learned from pasts mistakes.
he was a suspect via the car in a few days
Apparently they had him in their sights from week two. They have to be commended.
The detectives had nothing to do with it the FBI solved the case by violating the civil rights of uninvolved people. Lol.
May their souls rest in peace. My deepest sympathy to the families 🙏
They’re in heaven. My sorrow right now is for the roommates and all the families. The poor victims family and friends as well as the roommates family and friends. Those poor roommates will NEVER be the same.
I pray for HIS family as well. I can’t imagine how they possibly could wrap their minds around this. Such a tragedy.
It's not fair to the survivor DM to Monday-morning-quarterback her actions. We all have the benefit of hindsight. Unless a person is in or has been that exact situation, God forbid, NOBODY knows how they would react. I'm sure she feels not only survivor's guilt, but all kinds of additional guilt and has been constantly questioning herself "what if." She doesn't need to be piled on. I went through a situation when my Dad died at my house. It's been almost 4 years and I'm still asking myself "What if...?" and "Why didn't I...?" Leave DM alone.
Nah she had something to do with it why else wouldn’t you call police or testify all your points are bs
@@Analuaj Anal, get your head out of the toilet.
A long time ago, someone was breaking into our house, I was by myself and locked in the bathroom. I heard the person but could not move for hours after the person left. I remember being in a state of immobilization. Fight, flight, freeze
that is so horrible, I'm grateful you and your loved ones weren't hurt.
I feel like that whenever I go camping!
My mom was home alone sick and someone broke in to steal. She ran to her room, grabbed her rifle, and fired a warning shot as he was breaking the window. She told him to leave or she would kill him. He left.
@@TheParentTeacherBridge looks like she chose to fight. Or, had the ability. Unfortunately, everyone has a different reaction and many will freeze in a situation like this. Thank goodness for your mother having a good fight instinct. I truly believe becoming a mother really enhances that instinct with most women.
Yes. That happened to me. I was under my bed for 4 hours not being able to move. I was so frightened.
This is a very SAD story,I have never been so captivated by something this horrific,my prayers go out to the families of the victims. Folks we need to care more about one another .
Its too sad.
There are just too many people out there who are fascinated with the killing of others and death. I believe more don't act on it like this guy did in fear of getting caught. But the overwhelming desire to actually carry this out is still mind-boggling because it just doesn't end there. They have to carry on a normal lifestyle and try to blend in.
Why this particular case? There are people who are murdered all the time.
@@queline213 Probably they were attracted to the murdered in bed initially. Now they freeze. Women learn from this be proactive you may save a life. Good thing he didn’t kick the door down. Call the police if you see a strange man roaming in your house. Check that your housemates are ok if they don’t answer you they could be in trouble. Learn self defense. Perpetrators want people that don’t do anything.
I used to be on nightly medication for seizures and once I took it I knew I had about 4 minutes before I would be completely knocked out for 8 hours. There was no waking me up.
One night I took my medicine and as I was going out, I could hear something downstairs. I fell asleep. It was an intruder and I was attacked.
Whatever the reason the roommate didn't call ... I think in time we will not only KNOW why, but we will UNDERSTAND.
This roommate is going through hell. No one needs to add to her horror. Prayers for all involved.
Well said, so sorry about the intruder and that you were hurt!
There also a freeze respons that is quite common in shock.
The surviving roommates are also victims! We must never forget that!
Hmmm…what medication is that?? I’m not letting this girl off that easy. Had she called 911 some of the victims may have survived.
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj Thank you for your kind thoughts.
@@bigsnacks6485 It was medication for seizures.
I was giving a scenario of what happened to me. I'm not in any way stating this is what happened to her. Just saying this could be one of MANY possibilities.
Even though I could hear something downstairs, even if I could have gotten up and checked to see what was going on, I'm not so sure I would have. When you're young and you've never had someone break in, it's hard to imagine that's even a possibility.
There's no way that she could have thought that what had transpired had actually happened. Who can imagine that?
Don't be so quick to judge.
dang what's the name of this medication and where can I get it
These poor kids, my word, I can’t imagine the terror they felt & the two that survived, may god wrap you both in his arms & comfort you both until you feel safe again…
Fight, flight, freeze or fawn. She froze. I had something tragic happen and I covered my head and went to sleep. I completely understand what she did. Your mind can't handle what happened. Don't judge her. She will have to live with this the rest of her life.
Yes ,so your friend said there is someone here??? You continue to sleep, or whatever, you see a strange person in the house,hear strange things,you wait and then call your friends first before 911,yeah shocked yes but something is not right
Good because this was the most selfish act anybody could have possibly committed. She went back to sleep I'm not judging her God the father Jesus Christ the King is going to judge her so I pray for her may God have mercy on her soul! Yeah sorry I'm also a victim of a kidnapping and murder and one of his friends was in on it too so I'm not writing this kid off just yet?? That's a terrible thing she did one of those parents are going to sue her for wrongful death because I know I'd be doing it if it was my kid or one of my family members. Yeah don't say a damn word until your family is the victim okay Janet
@@caroline905 I say something's not right either? My cousin was kidnapped and murdered and one of his friends was involved in it too? Okay I agree with you.
@@maryhartman9253 the fact that they couldn’t smell blood, fact that they were on tiktok but didn’t have a phone to ask for help, went to check on them but didn’t notice they were dead??? How ?? The guy was on the floor in a pool of blood??You call friends?? Went to sleep??
There’s been many people convicted of murder on the logic of “anyone who saw it would have reported it unless they did it”…. I’ve pointed out that that’s flawed logic but almost everyone is too dumb to consider that
Let this be a reminder to us all that the only thing we know about other folks, is a side to themselves they want you to see. Prayers to all families involved in this horrific senseless loss of lives.
Terrifying. Praying for these families.
Yep'
I really just don’t understanding the roommate who seen the killer like WTF! really! I’m so lost
@@arness2426 Right, things are not as they would seem.
@@arness2426 I believe the killer, had a vendetta against the 4 victims.
He may have been rejected by the females, one rejection too many, they may have laughed at him, his psychology couldn't handle that, being, in his own mind Super intelligent, how dare people laugh at me, they dont know my capabilities, it has been written that he was at a party at that home, he took particular notice of Maddie! he said to a guy talking to him at this party that he was bored & was going for a walk around the house, INSIDE, so he knew the layout, WHY, unless you had something going in your head, planning!
What a thoroughly gruesome b stard!
(Kaylee was only going to be there that night before going to Texas to start a job.)
My heart is breaking for the victims and their families. I know HIS family was saying they think he's innocent...this was before hearing the charges and what's in the affidavit. I can't imagine how this information must have hit them. Seeing and hearing these facts presented against him must be brutal.
They will need alot of help. Its all so sad.
his family is only now just realizing that they are blood related to a serial killer/sociopath....SMH
I agree
Specially if any of them remember seeing that army sheath.
Why? Motivation
I feel like it’s more likely that Ethan was the voice that told Xana “it’s ok, I’m gonna help you”, rather than the killer saying it.. Makes more sense that Ethan was trying to comfort his girlfriend while dying himself.. Anyone else?
The most awful thing of this whole ordeal is that the families must endure thinking about how brutal the death of their child was. R.I.P. Students. May your families find peace, too.
It is truly tragic for all of the families,even the Kohbergers,who apparently raised two ok daughters and were unfortunately saddled with an emotionally disturbed son. The parents seem like decent people. So tragic for all of the victims families . So unnecessary.
Those kids went through hell
@@mariedewitt5033 How do you (we) know anything about the (relative) decency of his parents or siblings? I'm not being snarky. Seriously, what did you learn & where did you acquire this information?
Pp
And victims of nothing more than a freak that wanted to experience cold blooded murder. That I believe is the most devastating and disgusting part of this.
The police and FBI and any other law enforcement agencies did such an excellent job on this case. They kept everything close to the vest and refused to share information and/or evidence with the public and with the families which is exactly why they were able to make this arrest. We should all be incredibly grateful for their professionalism.
Amen! If they were to release info to ANYONE just for the sake of not upsetting people is what SAVED THIS CASE!! BECAUSE if they released any evidence just to fill the public in they'd also be telling the suspect the info they had in order for him to think he needed to hide better or get away... they did everything right in my opinion. They led him to believe he was getting away with it. Smart.
Betty Boo
How was Bryan able to kill 2 people sleeping next to each other? ESPECIALLY athletic people like xana and Ethan? You're telling me there was no fight or altercation that occurred between Ethan and Bryan? And roommate D didn't hear any of this commotion? I just have sooooooo many questions. Like how did he not leave a blood trail behind? After brutally murdering FOUR people with ONE KNIFE, how was he not absolutely COVERED in blood? How did his skinny body have the stamina and strength to viciously murder 4 people with that 1 knife? It's been said by people very knowledgeable about knives that once a knife is bluntly forced into skin, blood, bone, cartilage etc, it gets blunt at the tip. So meaning each murder had to be done harder than the one before it because of how much "work" the knife had to do on each person. How was he so confident that the back sliding door would be unlocked? What were his plans had that door been locked? These were all young, beautiful, and active young adults in their prime. Morals aside, I just can't wrap my head around how he was able to do this?
@@mamacraycrayI am
Innocent till proven guilty
The cops did a great job of keeping their evidence quiet. I thought this case might end up a cold case. Who knew this criminal studies major was so bad at crime. He would have learned a lot more watching a few seasons of Forensic Files.
Maybe he did everything with purpose?
@@shelly6290 Well, then he won that trip to prison to complete his practicum in criminal studies.
@@shelly6290 I’ve been thinking the same thing! He wants notoriety (as crazy as that sounds) and it’s probably the ONLY way he could get the female attention he craves because some women are attracted to these twisted individuals. This situation is so sad all around…
Nah, no disrespect my friend, but someone doesn’t get such a high level of education in psychology and criminology ONLY to get caught. He was flagged at a popular bar in the area as a person who gets mouthy with women after a few drinks. He got rejected by one or both of these women at some point in time and has been obsessed with being a part of the criminal justice system for half his life.
This POS is a brilliant minded creature and has done everything with purpose. He didn’t have friends and needed the world to know how smart he thinks he is. THINKS he is…..
Gotta say, one of the most informative and well thought out discussions I’ve seen in a long time. Thanks to all of you for such a brilliant discussion!
I think it's possible that DM heard commotion and when she saw a man in the house thought maybe one of the girls brought a guy home from the bar. The commotion was a fight or argument between them. While she was scared when she saw him, she figured he was leaving and all was OK. Locked her door just in case and went back to sleep. Poor kid, she's gonna need a lot of support.
Mostly like agree with you
Then why did she open her door 3 times and freeze in fear? He had to been covered in blood too.
@@Anonymous-bq6liI'm thinking if it's dark, he's in all black, you are not gonna see blood.
@@Among_Us_71 it must not of been too dark because she said he bushy eyebrows. I think I would notice blood before eyebrows.
BS...girl crying man in mask leaving and you don't go check. Stupidity!
I hope that our children,teenagers,and young adults will understand the importance of keeping windows and doors locked! Be aware of your surroundings. Carry an individual alarm. Take a self defense class. Always look in your backseat, before you get in your car or that of a friend.
And be aware for your friends. If you hear something weird or feel something weird in your gut, go check on them. It might be awkward to knock on their bedroom door and be like “hey are you okay?” But it’s better to know than to not know.
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@@jerricagoodwin6034Not in this case ! She would have been dead .
And don't forget to call 911 if you see a person walking around your house wearing a black mask and clothing
dawfawf123
The dept fooled even the media. Way to pull that off Idaho. Now hopefully they have brief, and swift Justice.
This is why I don't trust white people 😒 and the main stream media 😒
Especially weirdos with no social skills who have master's degrees
They may be intelligent but lack a soul
we can't assume anything. he is still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law!
@@remblepee931 No need to assume, the arrest dec is available for anyone who wants to read it, for free, online.
"Presumed innocent" does not mean "assumed innocent" or actually innocent.
@@remblepee931 I love how the court of public opinion has realized they were screaming "GUILTY!" way too much at whomever was arrested for whatever just for simply being charged and detained... NOW for THIS suspect, THIS horrendous crime, you all want to pull back and use the "innocent until proven guilty" part of the U.S. justice system. 🤯
I would like to know what compelled her father to change the locks... also, I would like to know why her father was there at that house.. Was he there on a prescheduled visit, or did he make the trip all the way out there to check on his daughter out of an abundance of caution and care.. I know if my daughter had some type of issue concerning her safety, I would have my boots on the ground faster than you could say “Dad” .... I would absolutely be there on the spot assessing the entire situation and evaluating all safety concerns, and asking questions as well as unapologetically poking around giving everything the sniff test to see if I smell any bullshit that might be going on.. If she just wanted her locks changed for some other reason, her father has more than enough money to have a locksmith out there to go and change her locks.. Nobody gets their locks changed without having a good reason...
DM may have assumed that the individual was wearing a Mask that the fraternity members wore in photos, and could have been a person that someone in the home knew. She locked her door to keep a stranger out of her room. I don't think DM had any idea of exactly what had just taken place, she was shocked or startled that someone she didn't know was in the home. She is a young college student and never expected this in her home and in her small college community. I don't think he actually saw DM in his frenzy to leave.....
Id be more likely to agree with you about thinking it was a frat boy who someone knew, if she hadnt stated she heard crying, the line about helping someone, and the thumping.
We also know she looked out the door three times, and said she "froze" as this person walked by her, before she retreated to her room and locked the door. To me, thats not in anyway a normal interaction with someone a person thinks is a casual friend or frat boy lol.
People react to horrifying situations differently. While I find it very odd that she waited 8 hours to call police, it doesnt mean she thought the situation wasnt a serious one. I honestly feel awful for her, because she has to live with her decision for the rest of her life, not knowing if one or more of the victims may have been saved. I hate saying that, but id always think about that if it were me.
This case is so awful. Its as tragic as any other murder, but what a waste of life, and if this Kohberger did it, as it looks like hes a very good suspect, he not only took the lives of four innocent people, he threw his own life away for NOTHING. Psychosis or not.
@@chocolatetownforever7537 the cops said they were fucked up with big big holes. i can understand if she stayed silent in her room through fear. they need 'text 911' then these gen y folks would be all over it. no noise - text them.
@@moaningpheromones Well I agree with you. I think she was afraid that night. As I said, I dont buy the theory that she thought it was a frat boy, nor do I believe the ridiculous theory that she thought it was a Doordash person. Ive never had an Uber Eats OR Doordash driver come into my house to deliver. Its always at the door or on the street, and Id bet that these companies do not want their drivers going into homes, because of possible liability from being robbed or injured by some whackjob, or the driver being accused of wrongdoings themselves.
I believe HE was in an euphoric state of calm and tunnel vision and never saw DM. He has crazed eyes and I can just imagine a blank stare as he went through the moves of exiting. My heart is shattered for her as she will forever live in this horrific fear. Prayer for all the victims and families, including the precious survivors❤️❤️🙏🥲
I imagine, if true, the person (if the killer) had placed a certain amount of acceptable time to be in the home.
She didn't call 911 for hours after the fact. Now they are saying her boyfriend (she's transgender?) called the police in the morning, hours upon hours after she witnessed a crime...
She said he saw her, he was likely caught off guard and also exhausted after committing the murders.
He never saw her. He would have killed her.
This is very sad. I feel terrible for all the victims, their families and community. I also thought in the dark the perpetrator never saw her. Imagine the PTSD after witnessing that!! I still worry about the circunstantial nature of the evidence and how she saw the thick eyebrows in the dark, what is the motive, knife with DNA could have been stolen excuse, his mental health, etc? I wonder if he's done this before. He made a lot of mistakes too for his educational training. Great detective work in short time, very professional. I am not surprised of how little it was divulged bc I know that is how it's done.
It’s an injustice to the true victims that the so called roommates couldn’t call 911. Do you see how the prosecution case is sketchy?
No
@@thomasscott116 you haven’t been following this case from the start then
I think it's possible that DM heard the commotion and when she saw a man in the house thought maybe one of the girls brought a guy home from the bar. The commotion was a fight or argument between them. While she was scared when she saw him, she figured he was leaving and all was OK. Locked her door just in case and went back to sleep.
Totally possible.
Not with a robber ski mask on
That’s an intruder robber rapist killer type mask
So their face can’t be seen
Or she became completely paralyzed with fear, locked herself in her room, and didn’t come out until she heard a familiar voice. So tragic..
And if all drunk, bedroom doors closed, assume sleeping it off. But denial of horror, patterns of couple behavior, individual behavior when drunk. Past involvement shutdowns, irritation at being woke the millionth time. Subtle sounds more scary possibly, lots of of things can add up, even self hatred that didn't react more empathetically. Trial info will clarfy.
Why would she be panic stricken?
Always lock your bedroom doors at night and if possible put jingles or bells on your doorknobs, even if you have dogs. I live in a house where if someone came in through the pool door, I would not hear it in my bedroom. We have an alarm system and bars on our windows and cameras! I had a stalker for 2 years, so yeah I am paranoid.
Me too...3 yrs.
I'm paranoid ...if a car is following me too long I pull off.
@@7ann7seven13 can definitely relate to that! I take alternative streets if I feel a car is following me. He once followed me on the road and that stuck in my brain.
Good idea about the bells as an extra precaution. Security system could be cut or battery dead.
Sounds like a living heII.
@@marygh4834 just keep a pistoI on your nightstand.
Justice 4 Maddie 💔 Kaylee 💔 Ethan 💔 Xana 💔 Rip sweet angels 😇🙏🥰🤗
I really would like to know why the surviving roommate didn't call 911 when she knew someone was in the house??? That totally baffles me
Someone was always in that house all the time and at all hours. When you have multiple roommates that all always have people over, you don’t know every single person your roommates know. She probably has seen many people in that house she didn’t recognize many times. She had no reason to believe any of her roommates were dead or harmed in any way at that point or that the person she saw wasn’t a guest of a roommate that was just leaving.
@@Holly12245 you have no idea that any of what you’re saying is truth. You have never been to that house or met anyone that lived there. You don’t know any more than the person you’re attempting to correct. Touch grass etc peace be with you
She looked out the door 3 times, that's a lot of times to peep out.
She heard the dog bark, and heard crying all before seeing the guy. She peaking out either because she knows what's going on because she let him in herself or because she suspects something is wrong. If it was the latter she should have called the cops, if she was truly in fear for her life she would have called somebody.
@@brandichristopher8521 Y E S
This is such a tragedy. These beautiful, young, full of life kids didn’t have to die. This is so sad.
I am glad that this hasn't become another cold case that is only solved after 30+ years. All the heartbreak that is already there and then knowing such a vicious killer is still at large is almost unbearable for the families.
Cold cases are being solved after 50 years now, due to DNA technology. All new crimes will be easier to solve. There will be much fewer cold cases. DNA technology advancements are a game changer. Murderers will get caught much more frequently and much more easily from now on. The days of getting away with murder are just about gone.
It isn't over
@@DR.DisInfect so far lots of circumstantial. And the lawyer will try to get the case moved to Boise to get a non biased jury. Sometime next year he will plead guilty and be sentenced to death that will take another 5-10 years of appeals.
He ain't pleading guilty or getting a partial jury , he get lwop IMHO.
Yeah, it's really crazy that this was almost a cold case all because of implicit bias and passive white behavior from the police in Idaho. How many times the dumb white cops had that white trash* dead to rights, and let him leave all because he is white*
it's just crazy! If the dumb white cops did 40% of their job they would have notice how crazy and guilty that lunatic looks!
I’m so happy that the F B I is doing work other than influencing elections.
I have followed this from the very beginning and watched / listened to days worth of different reporting. It's honestly like a movie
I think there is going to be more to the story as the days go on. Bryan is way to calm & collected. It's almost like this is a game to him that's not over yet.
Same here. For a thoroughly educated guy in criminology, things seem sloppy. Carrying his cell phone on him. Leaving evidence at the scene with his DNA on it. I was thinking of the movie The Life of David Gale, which has an interesting twist on it if you haven't seen it(dealing with the death penalty and the morality of it used in the justice system ect.) More likely than not, this case with Kohberger is probably pretty straightforward, though. I can see the darkness spewing out that dude. He more likely than not needed to fulfill whatever weird bloodlust he has, and I can imagine the person acting out their fixation of such brutal chaos isn't all there mentally, so doing things to get them caught aren't unlikely.
It's not over. It's a long way from over.
@@DJ42487 he studied decades old serial killers, time when no smart phones, genealogy tech, cameras, networking software, and A.I.
@@scifi_shop yes, so much has changed. Literally ring cameras can be found EVERYWHERE in a bunch of houses and buildings no matter the location.
Wouldn't it be bizarre if he represented himself at trial?
The roommate could have had a drink or was high as some students tend to be; that’s why she fell asleep and didn’t wake until the afternoon? Simply being incredibly fatigued can also make someone confused or unaware of what’s going on around them. It was 4am after all. Poor woman. She had a lucky escape. Maybe he did not see her? I find it hard to believe he’d spare her as he’d just killed four people. She was startled but wasn’t fully aware of the gravity of the situation. It was a busy house after all. Her shocked and frozen reaction saved her life. This woman needs to be protected from vile judgement. She’s got a lot of healing to do.
I'm sure she would not have guessed that murders had just taken place! By shock, she may have meant startled and scared but I just doubt she saw what happened or it would have said that.
I think she may have fainted thus the unconscious person 911 call at noon..
trying to think about her state of mind - it was that kind of a student house people come and go but still - he wasn't in a Hawaiian shirt and cargo pants. even in their house he was very out of place and at that time of day. what was she thinking i wonder? need an interview. there's got to be a bit more detail to come out.
I think I read that he did see her and he even said something to her so that she’d hear. I’m thinking sparing her was his own twisted way of getting her to like him. Or he had only planned to do 4 murders. I hear his sister starred in a horror movie that was about 4 roomates being killed and that’s where he got the idea.
She was curious enough to open the door 3 times. Something doesn’t sound right.
Right now, I feel as bad for Dylan as I do for the deceased victims and their families and friends. The public is tearing her apart, she likely has survivor’s guilt, and she has a long road ahead of her; I’m sure she’ll be a witness for the State, and the defense is going to try to tear her apart as well.
It would be interesting to see what Dylan has to say.
Well said. Poor girl is probably traumatized for life.
Same. Her experience sounds beyond terrifying. I hope she’s in counseling.
She didn't commit the crime. She is a victim of the crime.
Ugh I feel the same. How can people say those things about her? I cannot imagine being in her shoes. Wish I could just give her a big hug :(((
I enjoy you, JB, so very much! Your program,
I’m not sure if this is a podcast or not, is so informative, interesting, and entertaining . It’s so nice to have a professional streaming rather than so many “wanna be’s”. THANK YOU!!
I had a 4 roommates in college. We had a million parties and I can’t tell you how many times I heard girls crying, people screaming and dudes that weirded me out and I ALWAYS locked my door when I went to bed. I didn’t want people using my bathroom and waking me up all night haha I mean this poor girl. I could have been her.
Plus, do we know if HE saw HER? Or did she just see him and he’s exhausted, her room is dark and she’s still so he just walks past her ?
I wonder if he saw her,too,and maybe went back for the sheath and her. He also previously was a heroin user but claimed to a friend to be clean. I think he had a lot of social issues,esp. with girls,both in school and after graduation, heroin didn't help,and the criminal justice with his dark side all impacted negatively
Western women are just damaged goods.
Another good question would be if the girl saw the perp with a weapon.
She clearly saw him and failed to act that's all that she has to say. She failed to act and she's got her roommates blood on her hands. I hope she lives with that guilt the rest of her life. She could have done something about this and chose to do nothing. She's a total scumbag for that.
Completely agree with all of this. And on this topic of them being COLLEGE students, I have not heard one person speculate, that she could’ve very well just woken up for the day. I know when I was in college, if I wasn’t in class, or out drinking somewhere, then I was sleeping. When I was able to sleep in, I did. I want to piggyback on exactly what you are saying, and then add that she called when she did because that was the beginning of her day. She literally woke up at 11:00 or in that time frame. How is that so hard for people to believe?
I cannot imagine what these parents may be experiencing. Dear Lord, please keep these families close to Your Heart
Amen 🙏🙏🙏
I missed how he was traced. Was his dna on file somewhere and if so why? Or did one of the videos show his tag ? I heard about the case but haven't been following it. Sorry if this is stuff I should know
Do you think that Bryan got such a rush or was in kind of shock from what he did, that he couldn’t even focus or was exhausted?? I can definitely see why they kept this evidence quiet cause the surviving roommates were in danger once he thought about what he did and that he left a surviving witness, if he even saw her
Yeah I think he was probably exhausted and was worried about the noise that had been made and obviously once seeing her probably thought she had already called 911. So awful. So, so awful.
On another site, the person investigated how many searches on line had be done for each girl and DM had none. Other of the women had as many as 70. This needs to be verified. Speaks to stalking.
Also I have read of other situations of dangers where the villain does not see the person. Perhaps, the Lord blinded the perpetrator. You may ask why he found the other 4; I cannot explain. I hope DM is thanking God.
First they said survivors were on first floor but affidasaid DMm was on second floor ? What is it
There was first a dog killed, then a single woman killed by knife on the 13 th then a couple also on the 13 nth wow all in tote northwest
I think she saw him but he didn’t see her, she froze, not knowing who he was (guest or intruder?), then saw him leave and locked her door as precaution. She had no idea a crime had been committed or anyone had been hurt, let alone killed. That was likely the furthest thing from her mind. Everyone slept in and didn’t discover the bodies on the main floor until just before noon when 911 was called. Sounds like the killer made sure each victim was dead before he left - nothing could have saved them, not even a 911 call right after he left.
I totally agree . nowhere does it say she said it sound like 4 people were getting killed, I saw someone walking out with a blood dripping knife and then closes her door and goes to sleep to deal with in the a.m. but that is how everyone is acting.
Well now your theory changes because Dylan heard crying & I'm sorry, but she hears screaming too because Xana FOUGHT LIKE HELL!
If masked strangers, incessantly barking dogs, roommates crying in the early morning hours and bushy eyed men walking through your house at 4am is normal and you wouldn't call 911... This house/ group of roommates had an odd daily lifestyle.
Much respect to the detectives involved in solving this case. 🥰
They had him the whole time. Methodically building their pieces. Good job LE!
His poor family. They must have had one hell of a shock reading that affidavit today.
Well, they raised him....
His dad seems very off and goofy in my opinion. His parents gave birth to him and raised a monster. They aren't the victims, we know who the true victims are and their son is absolutely a monster.
More shock is forthcoming when in trial a medical examiner testifies
@@ashleyvestal9030 and that makes them monsters too? Leave his parents alone. They need prayer 🙏 as well. Their son is sick.
@@ashleyvestal9030 It is the old ‘hindsight is 20:20’. Looking back now, everyone is talking about how strange he acted at times, but clearly nobody ever thought he was capable of such a horrific act. And, do not forget that he studied under experts in criminology, psychotherapy, profiling serial killers etc… and clearly none of them picked up on it either. So, can you really expect his family who are likely looking through rose colored glasses at him to predict and stop what took place. I guarantee you their brains will really struggle to reconcile the person they know with the one sitting in jail.
I just want to hear what excuse the surviving housemate has not to hear any noise at all!!!!
Is she one of those selfish teenagers who couldn’t care less about anyone? Was she one of those scared of teenagers who didn’t wanna get in?
Could she have been more worried about her reputation and the sorority?
There are so many possibilities, but one thing is for sure she didn’t hear it!!! there’s no way in hell she didn’t !!!
Not possible to not hear 4 people being unsliced with a knife on the SAME FLOOR AS YOU. She’s a suspect ALL DAY
Unalived*
Many folks have asked,"Well do you believe this guy would have killed again??(presuming he is the guilty party)
I think YES,he is guilty of this crime,and yes,he'd definitely have killed again..🤨
Howev,the question that's floating around my mind.."Is this the first time he's committed murder" 😳 I truly believe he may already be a serial killer!!
It seems like this was his 1st go at it hence all the steps taken
@@Mr30bopper "all the steps taken"?? You mean the stalking,and stuff?
@@Mr30bopper I watched a video(and damn,if I cannot remember the channel)🙄 but they hour long presentation was about stabbings,relatively in that area,that have connections to Vegan restaurants..😲 it was the couple that was attacked during the night(the wife survived)then there was an older lady attacked as well.
Man,I wish I could remember that channel 😬 I think you'd really be interested in it..and surprised at the many similarities!
That’s a distinct possibility.
Yea this dude just needs to be put down. The world is a safer place without him in it. He can never be trusted to be released from prison. I hope Idaho does the right thing here.
Devastating for the loved ones and us to find out the kids were awake! Dear God this guy is a monster!
Especially you kids living in college apartments arm yourselves and train and please lock doors and windows at night.
A monster if guilty. I'm thinking he slit their throat to keep them from screaming then he stabbed them in the heart.
@Amanda exactly!!
Many young ladies are lately becoming a Predator's worst nightmare as they are armed n trained and ready, many of my lady friends this would have ended quite differently
@@warrenjoseph2605 or your lady friends would have been sleeping and not had time......
I recall the father of one of the girls mentioning that his daughter had told a friend that she had a stalker. Based on the phone records it sound like he was stalking one or all of them. He may have been studying criminology etc. (although it mentioned he was actually more interested in IT forensics based on his application to work for the local police in that capacity), but he most likely had never committed a crime before and this was his first attempt. It seems that he made a lot of mistakes that would be due to his "inexperience". Studying crime and killers, isn't the same as actually being one.... he was arrogantly over-confident thankfully. For the families involved, I hope they have their ducks in a row and prove their case.
He was probably studying the intended targets and house....preparing.
Exactly what I think. Intellectual knowledge does not equate to experience in any discipline.
The police have phone data of his showing he was in the same location as the 4 students, shadowing their movements, watching them, hate in his black heart, I believe it boils down to being ridiculed by the girls because he may have asked one out, & he was rejected one too many times, damn psycho!
@@theresanault5219 Yes. The proverbial 'book smart vs. street smart' at work.
@@marshadavies8440 I believe that might have happened? I think he was after Maddie not Kaylee? She worked at the restaurant in town that serves vegan. He said he like to shop in Idaho. Kaylee had defensive wounds because she fought back. I dont think she was targeted? This guy is crazy!
It’s sick to think they called the police so late they could’ve possibly saved them.
If it were two males who witnessed and survived this, waited over 8 hours to call police only to report an unconscious person when they were obvious dead bodies laying in the floor and the smell of blood in the air, would police have been so quick to dismiss them as suspected?
@@phillipstroll7385 Exactly. "Don't ask me, I'm just a girl" is going a long way in this one.
Don’t be talking about something you know nothing about
Shock is a real thing. I witnessed a homicide/ suicide (my parents). I remember snippets of things but not the whole thing. I had no idea what to do after so I sat on our front porch & waited for my grandparents to come. Granted, there was no 911 in those days but I never thought about calling LE.
This is super informative, thank you! Also as a retired college professor, these are super thoughtful questions being asked, loving this channel.
I personally always thought he had to have been watching them for a while... this wasn't just a casual drive by at 2pm...he's been in 'the hunt' for a while
Isn’t it more than bizarre that his lawyer has blonde hair and from the back looks like one of those girls that he murdered so brutely.?
@@scorpio85oh man I was in traffic and me and my wife got chipotle and I guess the stuff was bad and we got food poisoning and my wife had diarrhoea splatter and come flying out between her legs and she was wearing and skirt then I started ripping some myself in my tight skinny jeans the car seats started to get soaking wet in it and we where stuck on traffic for hours breathing our own shit In man it was god awful I started to puke so bad me and my wife where puking for hours then we got so sick from breathing it all in we got ecoli all I could do was just sit on the toilet I was going non stop all day we lost 40 pounds each my wife was to lazy to go to the washroom and use a toilet so she just used the bathtub and shit in it when she was having her bath
@@This-account-is-hacked Are you kidding me?? You have no respect for anyone. Do you really think this is a joke?? Just SICK !!!!!
Super informative super thoughtful... class for super 12 year olds....
DON'T BLAME THE PERSON WHO WITNESS THESE MURDERS. THAT POOR GIRL WAS SCARED FOR HER LIFE. I'm happy she wasn't killed. My prayers for her to be able handle this.
This reporting was fantastic. Please do more. WFLA was the most thorough I’ve seen on this case.
Maybe he was there with the roommate...that's why she waited that long to call the police!! It's just hard to believe she didn't call the police ASAP!! I don't care how scared you are!! You think being that scared...you would call the police faster, not wait more then a couple hours!! Something is fishy about her story!!
Agree
I just read the affidavit and I think the reason Kohberger came back to the scene after the murders, is that he realized he left his knife sheath there, and wanted to see if he had a way to retrieve it.
He came back ??? Oh that’s terrifying!!!
That's exactly what I think! I think he was contemplating what to do.
Where did you read it?
@Glory Days Another channel disputed this-they said the cell phone pinged on a nearby tower but police don't think he/his phone was actually present
@Glory Days that is very scary
If my roommate's dog was barking excessively...as it was, there's no way I'd ignore it for 8-9 hours. So I agree, it's very difficult to try to understand how 911 wasn't called sooner...BY ANYONE!! Not just the survivors...but even the neighbours.
The pictures of these beautiful, vibrant young students simply breaks my heart. I have shed many tears thinking of how defenseless they were, attacked by their cowardly and cold blooded assassin. Their family's lives will never be the same nor that of the other students. And, I'm saddened by that sweet dog who witnessed the slaying of his owner.
It was said the dog was locked in a different room
I know! I can’t even look at their pictures, knowing they are dead.
@@mtio2807 has it came out at all how the dog has been dealt with? Like has he/she been taken to the family members families or??
@@nadjahaywood8883
Kaylee Goncalves adorable dog, Murphy, now appears to be in the custody of her on/off-boyfriend Jack DuCoeur.
omg, dont wet your pants, those people weren't even your family
But calling for help may have saved a victim. It's all hard to understand but so very SAD😢
From the sounds of their wounds I’m not sure anything would have saved any of the victims. But you do have a valid point, we will never know at this point! But I would never SHAME THEM!
Everyone judging D for not calling the police, you cannot judge what someone would do in a situation like this!
This was not a logical situation where this younger woman should be expected to react logically..I truly hope she is OK and not blaming herself too harshly💜
@Glory Days how is that the same thing. A person who does a hit and run actively committed a crime. If you leave the scene of the crime you have committed a crime yourself. The roommate has not committed a crime and is not the reason the students have died, no matter how you think she should've reacted a delayed 911 call does not put her at fault, HE is because he committed the crime and killed them. what you are doing is victim blaming and like you said yourself you judge the person who committed the crime which was him alone.
@Glory Days - A couple words for you - Don’t pull a Smollette.
@@khnauticashakir9163 calling the police couldve saved some of their lives instead of doing nothing. Then calling your friends over before the cops in the morning?? Very sketch and it contaminated the crime scene
@Glory Days 😬😬they are such different circumstances..its actually really concerning that u would consider those even remotely similar..killing/injuring someone compared to being so scared put of ur mind that u were confronted with an intruder in ur own home, au yeah totally the same reactions????
@Glory Days - : )
No idea how I wound up on a Tampa channel for coverage, but I found your commentary excellent. Both JB and Robert, thank you.
Yeah, J.B. is pretty likeable as well as super professional.
Because airlines were shut down in the area to fly him out ... Airlines lied about reason so they don't have to refund tickets
This is why I don't trust white people 😒 and the main stream media 😒
Especially weirdos with no social skills who have master's degrees
They may be intelligent but lack a soul
They are absolutely fantastic! Their commentary and presentation are top-notch
Me too I think it's Miami.
Love your fair, unbiased reporting JB. I’m in WA state, from Alaska. Never imagined I’d be following an anchor in Florida! Thank you for presenting such quality commentary.
First, my condolences to all the family members of Ethan Chapin, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21.
Absolutely no way ONE person did this to FOUR young adults. Ridiculous, and sloppy evidence handling. The Goncalves family should continue to do their own investigating. Question everything and EVERYONE. To answer the question about Brian Kohberger’s bushy eyebrows yes he does, but that alone doesn’t make him the murderer. A lot of questions about where were they before? Why did the surviving roommates wait so long to contact the police? Frozen, shock? No. For sure covering up something. Alcohol, drugs or SOMETHING ELSE
Why didn’t you just bring up drugs to begin with ? & save space and words for everybody? Unbelievable.!
It’s just not the bushy eyebrows. It’s everything in total & you obviously have not been reading anything. How about the way he stopped in the middle of a big field. On his way back home to Washington State University? Yeah I bet you missed that because you’ve not been reading anything except what your mouth is spewing.
Read it all …. I have one thought for you ! guilty 100%.
One more thing, huge Kudos for WFLA News and NewsNation working together in this. 🙌. As well as for the pleas to the viewers to be thoughtful and for giving that law enforcement team their due “well done”. Great job!
F** “NewsNation”. Every single day they loved to push a police hating narrative; the case was cold, L.E had no leads, didn’t do their job, etc .
The lovely Newsnation also cut guest mid sentence when a world-renowned detective wouldn’t help push their bullshit narrative . They’re a joke.
*NN rant over*
When I was a teenager around 13 or 14 years old I was running home at night because I was late I tripped over a woman's body laying on the sidewalk next to hedges. I jumped up and ran about 100 ft and ran into a man getting out of his car , I tried telling the man about the woman's body laying over by the hedges , but I couldn't speak because it scared me so bad . We walked back towards the woman and a guy was there trying to get the woman up on her feet. Come to find out she was drunk and passed out , but lol she was alive . So I can understand how the roommate felt . I've never been that scared in my life especially at 13 or 14 years old .
I had a similar frightening experience..mine was a neighbor's Rottweiler/Doberman mix dog that was normally chained up was off his chain and as I was walking down the street to go to the store he came out of nowhere and bit me on the calf. I screamed and he retreated but I was so shaken that I didn't know what to do. I had a baby at home and my Dad was watching him while I went to get diapers or something for the baby. I continued on to the store. While I was in the store I encountered the dog's owner. HE ASKED ME IF I WAS OK! I still was speechless and nodded yes. Later on I was able to go over and show him the bite mark on my leg and tell him what happened. Fear does crazy things to us!
but to not call the cops? to just go to sleep like no big deal and then call the next afternoon? doesnt make sense. u just stated u immediately got help. THATS normal.
This is what I don't understand. If I saw an intruder in my house, and other people lived with me, as soon as I saw that intruder leave, I would start running to my people in the house and alarm them there's someone that broke in. I could not close my door and go back to sleep. I would even call the police and let them know, because he may try it again with someone else.
She didn’t know it was an intruder. This is not a regular home. People come and go at all hours of the day or night. That’s the difference.
plus, the way the floor plan is confifgured, she had no idea if he wasn't lying in wait for her, given she could not see whether killer actually left or not.,
Facts
We should all remember just because the 2 other roommates survived does not mean they are not victims also. Love and prays to all the victims, their families and friends.
Oh without a doubt. Not just the trauma of it all, survivor's guilt but also that they didn't call 911. Of course she could have been waiting for it to be clear and fell asleep...I'm not blaming her at all... fear does a lot to a person, also denial in a traumatic situation "that can't be what's happening". So you're right there are six direct victims and many more including the families and friends
And them not calling anyone till later, is just that. You have kids, living their lives. They don’t look at things thru experienced eyes, because they are just starting their life of experience. Especially being mindful of school, deadlines, boyfriends. The public should not have a problem with them not calling right away. I’m sure they will next time.
What’s the story with the other roommate ?
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@@pamelamancini3041 i honestly believe at 1st reports were there were 6 roommates.
I'm pretty certain there were only 5 people home that night.
2 were visiting.
1 had just moved out and was visiting.
I'm thinking there was only 3 actual roommates.
I could be wrong. But besides the victims. There is only 1 other person who survived and has been reported.
Bryon saw Dylon, but assumed she had already called 911 due to the noise going on upstairs. He did not want to meet up with police if they were on their way to the house, he just wanted to get the hell out of there or he would meet up with police.
Dylan was likely the unconscious person that was mentioned. She saw him. Locked herself in her room. Walked out after he left. Headed toward the downstairs to wake the other roommate. Caught a glimpse of the crime..passed out on her way to the bottom floor. The roommate didn't wake up until late in the morning/early afternoon..happened to see Dylan..couldn't wake her. Panicked and called 911. If we are still speculating and judging after knowing just how wrong we were about everything else..we are horrible people and haven't learned a darn thing. Stop judging this girl. She is likely damaged beyond words and will never ever be able to unsee whatever it was she saw.
Lots of speculation here.
You’re not unconscious that long after fainting. She fainted allegedly around 4am. No way she was unconscious from that for hours. When you faint you come to very soon after. Within a minute. I’ve fainted before.
Very possible scenario
It makes sense that, as a very young adult living in a well-trafficked house, she might not have called the police right away because she couldn’t be sure that a crime had occurred. College life is chaotic when you live in a party house- she was scared obviously, but she could have been in denial about the possibility that something very wrong was happening
@@YoungerDreyfuss The media is contributing by victimizing DM to suggest she did anything wrong based on the information they have, not to mention instead of using her as a scapegoat, they should be defending her as the only witness who was able to provide authorities the information there was an unknown person to her in the home as well as providing the only description of the alleged killer. Shame on anyone who finds any fault in this poor woman.
If that was the case, then why she stood frozen, shocked? Obviously she did see something that made her react that way. I'm sure the suspect was holding the weapon as he walked by, there is no way she didn't see that or any blood stain. I think she knows more than what she's saying.
@@jorgegarcia3635 me too. Makes no sense
EXACTLY
That makes perfect sense. Once she knew the end result she realized the significance of everything, but it makes perfect sense that in the moment her brain dismissed most of the sounds as relatively normal for the craziness that regularly went on in that house. Plus, if she was also drunk, which considering it was the weekend and the people in the house clearly regularly included a certain amount of drinking as part of their normal weekend routine, it's also possible there's a part of her that wondered if she was hallucinating, heard something later that made her think she could explain everything that calmed her down again, or even that she fell asleep immediately and even completely forgot what had happened the night before until she found out what had happened and the memory suddenly came back to her. As others have mentioned, on top of being potentially drunk or high and living in a party house that regularly had strangers coming in and out, it's also possible she was experiencing a certain level of trauma, and the brain can do some incredibly strange things in trauma that it would never do logically. I strongly suspect part of the reason a single killer was able to overpower a total of 4 people was because they were all drunk and mostly asleep at the beginning of the attack as well. That may have been part of his planning. Perhaps something they posted online combined with his previous surveillance told him they were drunk and asleep and were thus vulnerable even though from a pure numbers analysis he was certainly outnumbered.
Whatever happened, I'm sure the explanation is legit. There's no way the two roommates who lived were in on this. I can't imagine the horror of waking up to find 4 of your 5 roommates have been murdered in the night. On one hand, you have to mourn the loss of your roommates. On the other hand, I bet you would also be constantly replaying the scene over and over in your head and would find it difficult to sleep for a very long time wondering why you survived and if the killer plans to come back and finish what he started. Then on top of that you have everyone online questioning your actions even though they are only getting part of it because the police are keeping your whole story quiet to make sure they don't compromise the investigation or trial, and some of those people are willing to dox you and even stalk you and your families. Just because a written explanation of an event seems confusing, it doesn't automatically follow that the explanation isn't completely true. Blood often isn't as obvious as people expect it to be. The sound of someone screaming or crying in a party house isn't that suspicious. In hindsight, it sounds incredibly suspicious, but these people weren't experiencing the live events with the benefit of hindsight. And a combination of trauma and potential drinking can explain all of the unusual questions that everyone seems to have in this case.
So sad 😭 that our society is swimming with predators who are sick souls. I trust very few people, very few.
Those 2 room mates need to be charged with failure to render aid. Maybe this students could have been saved if they had gotten help in time. How can you sleep after this.
I know that a lot of people may criticize this but in college, I feel like it’s kind of normal to see random people walk around your house/apartment when you have several roommates. My first thought was she didn’t initially see him as a threat since he wasn’t necessarily charging toward her he was walking around like he was supposed to be there essentially. That would explain why she didn’t call until she actually found her roommates. no matter what happened, this is all so heartbreaking.
He would’ve been covered in blood
She heard someone (a housemate) crying and heard a dog barking and went back to sleep?
Good point, people likely would come and go all the time. This was a party house so seeing someone you don’t recognize was probably common in that setting. It wouldn’t be like seeing a stranger in your parents house obviously.
@@amyumeh9753 It's also possible she was high on drugs!
Exactly. College party houses are filled with people coming and going and random people you just assume is with someone in the house.
Thanks Robert .....We need to remember that the surviving roommates are victims of this terrible crime . They have what's called survivors guilt .We need to be compassionate towards these kids.....They are still kids .They have not matured alot at this age 18,19,20 is not very mature. LOVE TO THE FAMLIES OF ALL VICTIMS AND THE SURVIVING KIDS ALSO....God bless yall.
the guilt e will be NOT getting help there ASAP to possibly save some lives . A locked door to your bedroom doesn’t make you safe BTW. She didn’t want to call cops if she was drinking or doing drugs
You don’t even know them, stop acting like you care😆.
@@caring-assoul_, You don't need to know ppl personally to have Empathy, and sympathy for these families, not sure who raised you !! Bless your heart!!
@@forpetessake3532 wow. Sounds like you where there. You are seriously unbelievable. Save your judgement and your words. You have absolutely no authority to speak on what happened inside that house and no right to blame the victim.
@@forpetessake3532 this is not call of duty, which by reading your reply is something I'm sure you're familiar with, so sit down and shut up
The Kohbergers were active members at St John’s Lutheran Church in Effort, Pennsylvania where they attended services each week. It was there that Bryan developed strong ties to his religious faith which he maintained even after leaving home for college in Idaho at age 18. So crazy...... Just because you go to church doesn't mean you are a good person. :(
Yikes. Ikr! What part of “thou shalt not kill do they miss in so called churches!”
God did not authorize us to kill at random! “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord!”
Some people have the nerve to do such evil things! THANK GOD FOR FORENSIC TECHNOLOGY!🤘🏼👍🏽🙏🏽🤔😅
Absolutely. Dennis Rader was part of some church if I remember right.
and like the clowns they are they explain that away as oh the devil got him - hahahahaha
Especially when your religion tells you you can do whatever you want, that entrance to heaven is not by deeds done but by belief alone: 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16'
So if this guy is religious he reckons he's got a free pass to his heaven no matter what he does.
Horrendous.
And all they have to do is ask for forgiveness, and all is good.
Thanks to this man nobody leaves their window or doors unlocked anymore
Ease up on the surviving roommate who allegedly waited hours to call 911. Remember, these are good friends and roommates sharing what’s been described as a "party house," but they weren’t a traditional family. Anyone who’s ever shared a house like that where people are coming and going at all hours knows you learn to keep your head down and mind your own business, even if you find a situation to be strange or a little suspect.
Weakest argument that keeps getting used over and over. If it was so normal, why did she say she get frozen in shock? Her instincts were obviously stimulated enough to understand it was a bad situation but her last two braincells must've took a day off.
Her phone was on second level..after she saw him and he left..she went downstairs and locked herself in room on lower level..without her phone
@@windbrook10 really? How odd.
Excuses
@@littlewing5682 he's wrong. She never went to the first floor. She stayed in her room and locked herself in
He needs to plead guilty, so these families don't have to keep living this nightmare.
Never going to happen!
@@leonaleone598
Probably not, but thats my hope for these families.
@Amanda We'll find out how intelligent his lawyer is.
He will probably want to drag it out as long as possible and if convicted will appeal. He is probably a narcissist and thinks he will beat the system.
Well, this is the whole point of a phsycopath......
Sending so much love and prayers to all the families and friends of all these poor innocent victims 🙏 🖤
He is so f’n weird to watch him in custody.his calmness. He wasn’t a shooter, he felt his multiple kills in his hands. The word monster applies 110%
Death Stare
Monster is too tame a name for this PSYCHO!
His body language speaks volumes. He literally has no care in the world about anything or anybody smh
If he smiled, people would call him a sicko. If he cried, people would say “guilty tears”
@@mtio2807 Fair point. There isnt really a right way to act in front of the camera. A face cant articulate innocence in a mugshot, and youre not going to be allowed to stop and do an interview to claim your innocence as youre being lead in handcuffs to a jail cell either.
I would bet a buck, infact, that his own attorneys told him to show no emotion when in front of cameras, primarily because there is no way to look in that situation. As you stated, crying can be seen as guilt for being apprehended, and being angry and yelling at reporters can make you seem like a person who is rageful, and possibly look like someone who can take that rage out on others.
I will also say this to those saying he seemed so cool. In atleast one of the clips I saw of him being lead by police somewhere, I noticed some sweat beads on his forehead, and to me his eyes seemed very wide open like he was scared. He certainly didnt look relaxed to me as he went to jail.
The fact that he walked past one of the girls and didnt kill her, makes me think he killed them for a very specific reason. Maybe I'm wrong and he just was walking past her to be intimidating and live out his slasher dream. But idk... Something about this case is SO FUCKING OFF.... that I just cant seem to think of a reason he would not kill everyone in the house. Why leave witnesses? why walk past one, and why did they not call faster? which i know are questions people asked live, but something is still seriously off about this case. On top of that, the killer seemed to think he would be ok.... Idk... something is not adding up.
The roommate should never ever feel guilty. If it was me, I would’ve lock myself in the room, and I would’ve feared for my life to open that door back up again. I had had a gun how to my head one time and it took me two years to remember it so all these people that are blaming her have no clue…
Right. Exactly.
this is what I was saying. People who have never come close to having their lives threatened to this capacity are pushing a savior complex. If I heard screaming and saw a masked man I'm running out of the house or hiding and not calling the police while he's still there because I would be way too scared to speak. The 911 call was also supposedly made for an unconscious person not the roommates who died so maybe she passed out from being that scared and in shock.
It can go both ways, but people deal with shock/deep fear differently.
If she had training to call 911 she might have operated on auto pilot - but without training - I can imagine she went into shock and couldn’t think or act
@@khnauticashakir9163 exactly! Plus maybe one or more of the four victims only got killed because they went to investigate the noise. We don't know barely any info yet people have made judgments since the murders happened.
Watching this from Australia .... my heart absolutely breaks for all the innocent people and their families/friends. Hope they get the justice for this that they absolutely deserve.
My heart goes out to the family and friends. And hope that justice is served in a timely manner
Thank you..✨🌹✨
Fear paralyzes a person and keeps one from moving into action. Give this person grace.
Not Nancy Grace surely?
I understand some self-preservation, but 6-7 hours? A psychologist wondered if she was afraid to call due to having illegal drugs in the house or in her system. Time will tell with emerging details.
I so agree and we still do not know all the facts. Thank GOD she lived and will be a very important witness. Fear surely paralyzes you.
@@leannemo7382 Omg. No. She’s a 21 year old kid most likely from a very small town and hasn’t been exposed to much yet. The house was known as a party house. People coming and going. Her gut instinct was fear but she would have no idea four people were just murdered. Geez. She’s a victim and a witness. Poor kid is living with trauma and God knows what those two kids saw when they discovered what happened. Pray for them and hope they can recover through therapy.
no
I read from the first written exert that he walked by her visibly shaken. Maybe his emotions had suddenly got to him?
Just wanted to highlight that Xana Kernodle "received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00 am" according to the affidavit, page 3. This is something that is new to me and stood out as it completely changed the initially reported times of victims' death. Let us never forget Ethan, Xana, Maddie, and Kaylee. Praying for the families of everyone affected by this senseless crime and for the victims to get the justice they so truly deserve. 🕊🕊🕊🕊
Gets odder by the moment.
I wonder Who delivered the door dash ? Did they see anything?
Something in my gut is screaming. I can’t figure out why but my gut is never wrong. Something is off about all this. Wouldn’t Xana be eating and Tik toking if the murders happened around 417 which would mean she was awake when attacked ? ? Was the killer the door dash person ? The neighbor reported the front door open but he went out the sliding door. My head is spinning. My heart aches for all 5 families. May they all find comfort somehow.
4 am door dash Brian's car seen at 4:04...4:12 Xana was on tic tok. 4:17 Brian's car was seen leaving...such a short time. Door dash person was interviewed. It happened so fast.
@@stephanielake71 I’m conflicted. How did he overtake and murder 4 people that quickly and clean up. Matter of minutes. By himself. One person couldn’t have. Ethan was stocky it appeared in one of the pics.
In my early 20’s I lived in a home with 5 other young women. One of them would bring random dudes home. It gave me the creeps and I would lock my door. That surviving roommate probably was a little creeped out seeing the shadow of a stranger but didn’t think it was an intruder. Especially if you have had some drinks and you aren’t thinking straight. She probably slept it off and woke up to a horror show. It’s so sad. I suppose we’ll get the story if she takes the witness stand.
What about the noise and the barking
What I think too. The noise is just random things not made sense until after the fact.
I doubt the prosecution will allow her to take the stand.
Agreed
@@Zmdec12Dogs are stupid. They bark at things like air, mosquitos & fettuccine alfredo. Have you ever stayed in a house with a few college party girls? The noise never stops
This guy is a little strange looking but how would you know of the sheer evil madness that lurks within. It’s terrifying to know these people walk among us.
It’s those Big Pharma eyes 👀
Jake Gyllenhall
Some of "those people" have you convinced that you elect them.
You don't. We don't even know if he is guilty. 🤣
He looks evil. His eyes are horrifying. Talk about textbook.
The housemates notified their friends before law enforcement arrived. There were friends looking at the bodies. Kohlberg probably knows this because he returned to the scene, he probably saw friends going in and out. The defence will unearth this and claim the crime scene was tainted. Hence his confidence.