the ''review" videos are definitely MY therapy! God, it SUCKS! it just keeps getting worse! 0.5/5 (the .5 is for the troll, he seemed interesting right before he died in that 5 second battle)
Let's just skip the finale and hang out instead and talk about real LOTR stuff. I recently rewatched the original series, extended version, and immediately felt SO much better :) They're just screwing up the series on purpose to annoy the fans, for ROP. We should deny them our eye balls in the name of rightful pay back >:)
They didn't get the rights to the books. They bought the rights to the hobbit and lord of the rings books, and the appendix of the 1st and 2nd age. They cannot use alot, and I mean alot of the silmirilion. Basically they bought the rights to the wrong stuff.. then tried to make it work anyway. Edit: that's not me defending them in any way. This show breaks my heart. Waited my whole life to see the first or second age on film and the butchered it beyond recognition. I hope the writers and showrunners never get another media job after this for the rest of thier lives. These 2 morons should be allowed to run a car wash let alone a billion dollar show.
My understanding is that they only got the rights for the Appendices, when what were needed were the rights to the Silmarillion😢 Not that that would in any way have improved the writing of this failed rendering of Tolkien's legendarium.
Guys don't ever give into anyone that has a problem with how you talk about this. You are right and it's not subjective. You either know this is terrible or you cannot tell the difference between good things and bad things.
@@Jamienc I don't mind people liking the show as a fantasy show. If you want some easy to watch fantasy show I think this one is okay. It depends on what you are looking for
Kinda weird to say that they should do something else, when the commenter said that they should do more lore vids. I wonder why are they watching it if they don't want to hear any critique about the show. Player character mentality, imo.
Thankfully they made the show for the middle 80% of the societal bell curve, NOT for u and ur fellow nerd-raging Lore police, Gatekeepers of Tolkien, and fragile little magats. “Not subjective,” lmao…”opinions are like a$sholes; everybody’s got one.” - TLC
“It’s not subjective” is simply a twat comment. Of course it’s subjective. Some people like Justin Bieber. Doesn’t mean you’re better than anyone else.
@ilari90 Because when normal adults dislike a show, they reach for a box called a “remote” and change the channel. The weirdest few percentile of ppl, however, seem addicted to pissing & moaning. As the showrunners said, trolls are just something ur gonna encounter while in ME lmao
That is a flipping ironic comment, are you for real? F***ING hell. "Pretending", pretend is to play to the narrative, to play to the traffic. This is what this channel and some of these heavy traffic critic channels are doing now. They hate watching to get the clicks.
Now to hate it is to be fake. It is now contrived when originally these channels were good against the onslaught of the purple heads but now they are pretty much "bullocks". They all copy each other. It is cool to hate RoP haven't you seen? You are part of this now "cool" club like this channel here, well done. It all theatre and drama with their exaggerated criticism over pathetic things whilst they watch all manners of sh*T. Like HotD. They all of sudden apply real life physics and rational. Today's episode was pretty decent. Enjoyed the heavy metal encore. One of the better episodes.
Guys remember when ppl used to change the channel lmfao. Now these PMS channels and sorry excuses for content pop up all over from ppl trying to cash in on a show they “hate” (but watch still THREE YRS IN?!). No way these are ppl w/ careers, families, lives, responsibilities, homes, hobbies…just no way. They sound like a bunch of nerd-rage infested teens lmao
About not attacking the actors: No, you shouldn't do that. But.. actors also should not attack fans for disliking a product. Everyone with any criticism has been called a troll, a racist etc. And I think a lot of the actors have lost any credits from the fans because they started attacking us first. I know that they are media trained, and I know that there are things they have to say. But my god. Please be a bit more like Henry Cavill who actually defends fandoms and fans and are giving them a right to speak their mind.
@@C_Shanty1993 maybe it bothers you to be called a racist and a troll because, deep down, u know damn well they’re right. Like. Look at this comment lmao: “demilitarizedzone96 •2yr ago• Why are you trying to gaslight people here? Tolkien was extremely careful in constructing his world, and all what you said here is patently untrue. *Tolkien states clearly that Numenorian people were tall, fair of face, and royal house never grew beard.* He stated Galadriel never took a boat or traveled to Numenor because close proximity to sea made her yearning to return to Valinor too painful to bear. She even warns Legolas of the sea's effects. *Tolkien stated that Miriel's skin was fairer than silver, pearls or ivory.* Amazon chose to disregard all of that and more, which is a valid criticism to have.” A LOT of u have pissed & moaned about the strong female lead, the races of the cast… and um, *wigs* LMAO 🤨🤔🧐. There’s entire blogs about the race crap, dude. This stupid channel won’t even let me link them tho. Gotta maintain that echo chamber lmao. As a woman in breast cancer treatment, I’m seriously wondering how a bunch of males who have never had cancer know SO much about wigs. Shoot, I can’t even tell they’re wearing them. Lmao. Imagine like, watching a show & just staring and staring and staring at the actor’s hair. Good grief 🤣
Whilst I agree no one should resort to ad-hominem attacks on "Jobbing Actors, " I feel actors should practice some critical thinking regarding the characters they are playing & the lines they are saying. After all, their reputations & success in future auditions may depend on it.
@@jordanmince7613 The “they’re just racist” trope is lazy and nonsensical. The bottom line is that this show is absolute shit. I tried watching both seasons. I was done by E3 in the first season, and then I checked out on the first episode in season 2. It’s just horrible. You and I are on the same page so I know you know that I don’t need to write out an entire essay of our reasons why lol.
If this channel didn’t censor links lmfao I could show u entire pages of comments debating races in ME, diversity, and pissing & moaning about the skin colors of the cast. And it’s been going in since BEFORE THE SHOW BEGAN! Stumbled on a Reddit convo the other day where ppl are saying crap like “Mariel was said to be fair as a pearl” and other BS and other arguments involved ppl being like dude why don’t you wait to watch it before hating it? Theres just so many examples. The colored actors ought to knock them into next week. Ppl grow balls of steel when they’re behind a screen. In person, tho, they’d want NONE of it.
Durin was known to randomly axe his own people. That’s why he was known as one of the original, wonderful fathers of dwarves, reincarnated seven times, but all knew of his violent rage blackouts…😂
i actually like the show. You probably would to if you'd go into it without the constant worry of whether it keeps true to the books and just think of it as a retelling of a story.
Gil-Galad is not believable as a fighter or an elf. Not only does he look like his glory days are behind him; it’s as if he never had any glory days at all. Has someone gone off to find the breastplate stretcher? Perhaps it will help him look the part.
"I was at the Bartle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand."
I have to say, I didn’t fully comprehend the hate. Until I listened to your breakdowns of where the actual characters were at this time, then I fully understood. They have such great characters and stories to work with. It would have been great for them to just make the stories come to life.
Maybe we are all worng, nobody is that stupid to make so many stupid decisions like this. They made us root for bad guys, that we love Orcs, Adar and Annatar, and litteraly we are pissed off when we see Elrond, Galadriel etc, etc...I agree when you said about middle finger to the fans, maybe that was all on purpose For real, friend of mine who doesent know the books watched LOTR movies after first season of RoP and said to me "So Galadriel is guilty for everything", idk but maybe their intend to butcher Tolkien was succsesfull
This show hurts my soul. I have to watch like when you drive by a car accident. Each episode gets worse and worse. Few authors have given more source material to go on and they've just ignored every word of it. It's an abomination.
@borkthebasher WTF; is this a bot? Cuz how could an actual human being type this about a TV show they’ve been w/ for 3 YEARS!!!!!! Who raised these emotionally disturbed & super fragile ppl?! Or let them spend 90% of their childhood & adolescence behind screens?! They’re completely unequipped to take on the real world, have a career, and raise a family. This read like someone is describing a traumatic experience … but is applied to a TV show?? As for looking back at a car accident … that’s u having it made. I was a level 1 trauma patient after my near-fatal car accident. Left side shattered, all limbs broken, some JOINTS shattered, insides carved up by sharp edges of broken ribs, scalped. Looking at a car accident lololol… try 8 days in trauma ICU on a ventilator & in medically induced coma, 1.5 months on trauma floor w/ weekly reconstructive surgeries, 1.5 months in a freaking nursing home for “after care”, then going home w/ a PICC line & Visiting Nurse Services. Was a 3rd yr medical student before…left, got >$350,000 in student loans forgiven… Yeah, looking at a car accident is nothing dude. When one dislikes a show, it should just be turned off and their experience seeing it should just roll right off their shoulder & be forgotten. It’s pixels on a flat screen for crying out loud.
So there are people who are watching you react to a show they know you don’t like and then commenting that you’re ’hate watching’? Isn’t that textbook hate watching?
I actually saw all of those, i know they are cool and all but the grandiour is not there, its poorly done. I am not hating the series, i didn't even read the books, but i see the obvious failures and reasons why ppl are calling it BS.
I have watched each episode of The Rings of Power, and I have sighed and shaken my head in sadness many times, but this was the first episode that I openly laughed at this show in mockery. It was just. So. BAD.
There is a special circle in hell reserved for this show. It is unfathomably disrespectful and i dont know how you can call yourself a fan of tolkiens ACTUAL works and support this show/say it is good in any way. Its needs these scathing take-downs guys, keep it up
Its almost like people enjoy different stuff. Also, the biggest problem with the show is bad writing. In terms of Tolkien lore this takes the piss no more than the Hobbit films do.
@luke-kh1rj lol, and exactly what will be accomplished? The majority like the show. Those of u in society’s fringes might not, but who told u it was made for you? Nobody is gonna dump $ on a project that caters to the teeenyy tinyyy sliver of society who want Tolkein’s hot mess of a massive collection of writings [hardly any abt 2nd age] distilled exactly how they like and presented to them for their pleasure. You’re free to turn the show off, to forget about it, and to read the books, which haven’t gone anywhere. But, like, u guys are not even remotely close to having the numbers to influence something like this. The showrunners came out and said basically that trolls are just something you can expect to encounter while in M.E. They’re not gonna come over to u, drop to their knees & open their mouths. U can’t influence the show, stop it, poach its fans, etc. All u can do is (1) waste another however many years watching it & writing/watching things about it, and (2) piss & moan online, which is basically like screaming into a void. Go find something you enjoy watching like ppl used to up until recently
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i the good stuff here is way better than the Hobbit. The Tauriel romance, the barrel chase, Goblin Town, most of the legolas scenes. I enjoyed some of it because, like a lot of stuff, some is good some is bad. For me as I said the Annatar stuff has been fantastic. I'm kinda hoping the stranger storyline just ends this season.
The elves in the show lack wisdom, perception, intelligence, and foresight. It seems the show is more concerned with making sure they have a diverse cast rather than having a good story. I don’t completely hate the show, but it falls well short of Peter Jackson’s interpretation. I don’t think it’s due to the acting. The show is poorly written. It seems to be more of a problem with the director’s vision and love of the original material. I love that the cast is diverse and many different people are getting a chance on screen. I don’t care who the actors are as long as the characters are interesting, believable, and the story is well written. But the story is not, the characters are not.
@rossholst5315 To an extent, yes, but you wouldn't make a movie based on Mein Kampf and have the Hitler character played by a man from Pakistan... It's not like there aren't any other roles for people. It doesn't have to be a ridiculous diversity mash.
@@Yugemos I would not expect that. However, it is possible that such an actor would be fine. It depends on how much artistic license you wanted to give the story. But I agree this feels more like diversity salad vs a cohesive story plan. I am just saying I am willing to allow for some artistic license and creativity. I care more about pulling off the vision than the demographics of an individual actor playing a part. It just feels more like a deliberate attempt to put an emphasis on diversity rather than something that developed naturally with the story.
You can tell the writers have never been outside. an ORC manned trebuchet accurately hitting a human sized rock from a mile away up a mountain? A trebuchet hit causing a mountain to collapse? The wave is only 2ft tall and the splash speed was 3x too fast? Next thing I know sauron will learn to use the force...
I just discovered your channel. I have no problem with your honesty. This is a terrible show and deserves to be criticized. Like you, I would have LOVED a faithful show about the second age. Instead, we got this.
Thank you for continuing to put these discussions out. Just as you mention, it saves me from giving views to Amazon. It would be amazing if they could turn things around and make this a show I thought I could watch... but its not looking good. Thanks boys❤
TOLKIEN: Galadriel marries Celeborn. Elrond will marry Celebrian and have Arwen. AMAZON: Elrond and Galadriel should kiss! ME: Wtf :( (I know it was to give her the brooch but romantic music + focus on kiss? Sad)
Your guys’ approach to Star Wars is exactly my approach to RoP. I’m a lifelong Tolkien nerd and refuse to give Amazon my money or views for this joke. So I appreciate you guys trudging through the mud for us who refuse to watch it but still are curious as to how they’re “improving” Tolkien. Bless you boys
I was first introduced to Tolkien and his world by my dad when i was 12 and loved it. Now i'm 52 and i still love it. Now this show.. Watching this show every week makes me angrier and angrier and more upset too. I was upset by the first season but i f*cking hate were they went with season two. I cant even stand people who say they like or love it. Sounds pathetic?? I dont really care.
not at all. lots of people really love the series. And this adaptation is just sad and horrible. I'm just not gonna watch the finale again until like...next year. LOOL! It's what I did for season 1. I kinda watched the episodes off and on but was so disgusted by the content that I refused to watch the last episode. lol.
I don’t get how time passes in this series. Everybody just seems to fast travel from one place to another with no great length of time passing. When Celebrimbor looked at the vice I was like yeah clamp the chain in there but nope. Even if it didn’t work but he didn’t even attempt it. For better or worse the Orcs were probably the best part to the point where at parts, especially with the music, it was like watching the Orcs from the Peter Jackson movies
I said the same thing about the chain, but then my partner said he wanted to mutilate himself to stop making rings, but the rings were done. Made no sense. It’s a metal working lab. Also, I couldn’t figure out if sauron had paused time for only celebrimbor, or was replaying the same daytime loop, but yet he was physically degrading with time. I might just be dumb but I was confused
When Galadriel and Elrond kissed I actually had to pause for a long while. First I screamed because I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Then I spent the next while, face in my hands, just screaming into them. I never would’ve believed they could surprise this much. They actually had to physically try to do a bad job.
That kiss was the worst thing ever. Even if you scrub your mind of Tolkien and take the show as an independent story, it still would make absolutely no sense. I liked the orc music at the end though.
I think I’ve actually watched more of this channel because of the reviews of the Rings of Power. Mostly because I don’t have a great knowledge of lore. I have seen other channels which critique RoP on non-lore reasons, and they say it’s bad too.
Why didn’t celembrimbor just use the thumb cutter to cut the chains?! He was surrounded by tools, and he’s the most accomplished smith since Feanor….he can’t disassemble some handcuffs?! Also….maybe the reason why the troll laughs is because they killed him 5 seconds before the sun came up….which would’ve turned him to stone instantly anyway.
The siege was the most stupid thing I have ever watched in a fantasy show, no joke. To be fair, Celebrimbor had some really amazing scenes and the actors did a great job, but you can tell none of the showrunners were ever near a real battle, or a real siege engine, or near a real wall, or near a real river... Once again, no hate against the actor, with a better script this could be amazing. And always remember, Elrond marries Galadriels daughter in the book.
@@andystevens2772writers have to do their research to make things feel realistic. Go to Wales and look at castles and learn about seigd tactics. Feels like they're knowledge base is coming from video games and guesses.
@@andystevens2772it's not often talked about, but Tolkien (being a veteran himself) depicts battles and strategy quite realistically. Unlike a lot of other fantasy and sci-fi commanders in the legendarium use real world military logic and make for the large part sensible decisions (for example Sauron attacking all the free peoples at once makes to keep them from uniting their forces is what most actual generals would do in his position). Also there's no defense for making Galadriel and Elrond kiss in any context but Archive Of Our Own.
@@GRB-tj6uj Even if you make the argument it was to slip her the pin, he could have done a more platonic gesture. Kiss on the cheek or forehead. And again, neverminding the source material, this romantic interest was not developed in the *slightest* before this.
Amazon has reached very, very far up their..... to produce stuff like this and think people will just ditch logic & common sense. But by several reactions, it seems people are actually made to like this show. It's absolutely atrocious what they did in this episode. Felt like a bad carbon copy of Helm's Deep/ROTK Battle without the awesome CGI and the justified epic feel. You guys are spot on! Please save me a seat for next week. :)
I forgive the show a lot of things because it looks great and the Orcs and the Dwarves are awesome. But the Elves!!! Oh dear ... You are right, they are more like Gondor soldiers and not true Elves.
Also as far as the cutting off his thumb, he is a metal crafter with many tools for working on small things, you know like rings, and doesn't know how to pick a lock, one he likely crafted to begin with.
James exactly nailed it when he said about watching TH-cam channels in the hope the shows improve. I gave up on ROP after episode 4 of this season - which was probably longer than I should have given it. Now I watch you guys (and NOTR) as an overview and maybe catch a clip or two online.
The Sauron/Annatar scenes are incredible. I personally love how he is able to manipulate the minds of everyone around him and bend them to his will. That is how I always envisaged him to be
I got really angry when I saw Elrond kiss Galadriel. Even if it was only to pass that sigil-badge to her it was unforgivable. Anyway, I am really happy you guys hate this as much as I do.
you guys missed that Sauron got into Durin Jr's head from a distance to make him think that the king was going crazy and kept him and the army in the mountain. Right after the scene it shows Sauron to imply this. This means Sauron knew what was going on in there moment by moment and intervened.
I just love that moment when Elrond just stands watching how one of his soldiers is getting killed right in front of him by like three orcs for some time and does absolutely nothing to help him... All characters in that show are just a bunch of bloody psychopaths.
Love you guys and respect your honesty. It’s sad to see all these other channels lying to themselves and into their fans about the show. Your spot on with everything you’re saying about it.
Also, did anyone else realise how the sun rises in ~1 min at the end of the final battle? Adar rallies his forces when it’s pretty dark, cut to Elrond’s face and it’s daylight, then the sun comes out
I think what sums up the series for me is the excitement about how the things they did alright and the thinks I despise at the same time was that they namedropped Melian "of the Valar". The name dropping of Melian excited me (background information!) while in the same sentence they could have called her what she is, a Maiar, just like Sauron, and the Istari. It was so wrong. And that is everywhere in the series. Like the smithing of the Elven rings. But they were made after the 7 and the 9, not before.
The battle was so outrageously disappointing. Such little showtime for actual fighting, most of the episode still consisted of scenes of two characters talking to each other and the battle of itself was so small scale and didn’t feel dangerous. The battle of Helms Deep and Minas Tirith both showed huge orc armies marching in formations, building tension showing orcs climbing ladders/siege towers and felt dangerous, this episode had none of this, it just felt like pickpockets of fighting in a field. We go to a battle scene and the orcs are just magically on the walls instead of showing the process and pushing forward ladders
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that Tolkien wrote or said somewhere that the whole point of the elves, and the reason they have some envy of men isn't just that they can die (which is weird on Tolkien's part, but whatever), it's that the story of middle earth fundamentally isn't about them, literally. The world is ultimately built for men, and they are mere facilitators of this. They are near perfect, so having a compelling drama centred on them as THE main characters is doomed for failure, because they don't have the flaws that make compelling protagonists. They have enough for ancillary characters, and in book form they can be compelling in a literary, poetic way, but not in a way that suits television.
No, I don't think you can... Maybe like a few fight scenes? Provided you change the plot and just insert the fight scene clips into that different movie :). You could keep the troll too. No dialogue. And so far he's the most fun (dead) character.
I’ve tried to be open-minded with the show but the plot and writing are world class awful. It’s a shame the small moments of success were drowned out by all the bad. Several scenes were well made but became meaningless in this piss soup of a plot. What I can say that is positive is that the costume designers, set designers, CGI artists, and most actors did a wonderful job. It’s a shame their hard work had to go towards an illogical, poorly written series.
26:44 The kiss was incredibly shocking, but also wow…wtf. My head dropped as I sat up and my wife (knowing how big of a Tolkien nerd I am) started to laugh cause she knew this was the most ridiculous scene and she agreed that the numbers are gonna drop drastically now. That said, the more I think of it maybe the “forgive me” was for the kiss, and in some ways it could’ve been better writing if Adar thought that he and Galadriel were more and said something to hint at that, which is the only reason Elrond would’ve done that…but even then still, grab her hand, do the same pass off of the key, and place foreheads together…I’m angrier writing this haha ughh
On face value this Season has been SOOO much better than Season One was, for a casual viewer I am sure it is very entertaining, but for those of us that have delved into the lore of Tolkiens world, the plot holes are still claringly obvious and unfortunatetly are a massive let down. Sure some things can be put down to it being an adaptation and being limited to the Lord of the Rings books only. However, Galadriel being this lost in love character in Season One with Halbrand and now kissing Elrond is just nuts! The dwarvern rings being known by the dwarves to be corrupted them to greed is odd, as why would they then pass them down for generations until they are lost to the dragons or recovered by Sauron...
@@Moplive95it's a trope though isn't it. A kiss goodbye, easy to hide palming something off. Badly done maybe but the idea is to make you go "huh wtf they're in lo..ahh it was to give her the thing"
You're absolutely allowed to have an opinion. I only watch this show out of some morbid curiosity now. They had so much range to make this an incredibly original thing but they've literally raped the books. If it wasn't so shit it'd be funny 😂
You show your integrity by being honest and calling it out for the abomination it is. There are far too many channels shilling for amazing and compromising themselves, thinking it will benefit them.
“I hope this show gets shut down, makes me angrier and angrier each week” honestly you two are one of the only channels who actually speak the truth. I didn’t spend half a year reading the lore to then see Amazon torch Tolkiens work
Thank you. This is therapy for everyone who watched the episode. This episode was a 6/10, probably the best episode of the season. It could have been much better with minor changes. Why cant Amazon just pay for some extras, not enough elves in Errigion?
I’m worried, the way they are setting Galadriel vs Sauron, she has to be apart of the last alliance right? How can she be so against him then just stay home when all the elves go finish him off. So is she going to be the one to kill him? I can’t see them ending the show without them having a big stand off
Based on the "size" of this siege, I really really want you guys to do a MESBG scenario for it. You probably have enough minis, and could create an Adar "hero". I think that would be awesome.
Thx.. because, this least favorite time of the week with least favorite series, now, with you guys become kind of fun and lesser our pain! As, after watching this “abomination series“, it’s really helpful and kind of healing to have someone like you (and other fans here❤️)to share same love /respect for Tolkien world and talk about it .
And I’ve just remembered about that elf who hesitates and doesn’t know where to shoot. Never have I ever seen an elf act like that. He kind of draws his bow and can’t decided to shoot the orc to the left or to the right. Did anybody else notice that? I get it’s a chaotic battle but we’ve seen bigger battles and elves literally acting cool under fire. I don’t know why it just completely threw me at that moment 😂
I love how you guys think the cast are Nice people because when you met them and where saying nice things about the show... they where friendly to you....
It’s like you make a film about History, but you write a story with Gengis Khan, Columbus and Napoleon living at the same time. Only if one is too ignorant he’ll enjoy it
I’ve not watched any of season 2 but I’ve noticed that IMDB no longer post any comments on the show and says the past 5 episodes haven’t been reviewed… interesting
Ok. Had some time to think...and actually now think it's even worse. lol Biggest issue hands-down from the beginning: The Halbrand mystery storyline. It did NOTHING to elevate Sauron's character or make him appear more vicious or cunning. It made him look weak in fact. They should have simply started out with One Season of incredible character building and setups...forging the rings, deception, intrigue, etc. It's all in the source material already. It would have been perfect that way! They even could have kept the whole Harfoot storyline. Chuck in the Blue Wizard, who helps to fight the evil rising in the East, amends for what the other blue wizard did wrong (being corrupted and all). He ends up helping the Harfoots/Stoors. Somewhere in Season 4 they find the Shire etc. Fine! They had the first episode to really setup the whole history of Valinor (which they tried) and they could have introduced Galadriel and Celeborn and shown this elves to be the incredible characters that they ought to be! Instead it does feel like we're watching a Tolkien soap opera!!! Shoddy character development (mostly) and I am so angry for all those wonderful actors, who could have been given truly memorable roles to play. Instead, they've been reduced to this utterly bamboozling, befuddled mess of a show. You want to know where the money went for this? Not the writing, not the CGI, not the actors, etc. It's gone toward destroying what could have been another powerful legacy of Tolkien's work. Such disrespect for somebody's work should NEVER be rewarded. And sadly, there are far too many people these days who enjoy this mild, mind-numbing, dumbed-down type of entertainment...
OKAY... so I've had a think about how they could save this show. Because, at this point, it is not just "a bad show", it's actively damaging Tolkien's legacy. I have spoken to people who "don't want to read" the stories because they're boring. Now the whole "it was a dream" thing would piss a lot of people off, buuuuuuuut how about they do a sudden 180 and have a young scholar in Minas Tirith writing all this shit down, and an older scholar comes in with some of his pages FURIOUS. "What is this?! This is not how it happened?!" "Well I thought I'd spice it up a bit" "Spice it up?! It's our history you imbecile!!! Get out, you are never to touch a quill again." Then we do a QUICK recap of what has happened, lore accurate, same actors and everything but with the right time line. And rejoin the story with handing out the 9. Moving forward with a lore accurate show.
Pitch meeting: "So then this giant troll turns up" "Wow! I bet defeating him is going to be really hard." "Actually it'll be super easy. Barely an inconvenience. "
I do here what you said you do with Star Wars. I check here every week to see if continues to be as abysmal as the first session was. I’ve not watched any of season 2. I so so wish that it was good. I really wanted to love it!
Like acolyte, it wasn't made by people who love and were fans of the books, it's made by people trying to remake it in their own belief system to push an agenda.
I mean, i have no idea what elrond and galadriel were like and did back in that time, didn't really read the books, but i can tell they never had love affairs or any shit like that. However Addar had no idea about that either so maybe that's what elrond did in order confuse Addar not to see that he gave her the means of escaping. Maybe? Dunno XD
They could have rather than Sauron using Jedi powers, he could have made the girl with the forgettable name appear to have been an attacking Orc illusion, that he pushes over the edge but it was the girl. That is more effective without introducing telekinesis...
Thx.. because, this least favorite time of the week with least favorite series of the history, (maybe!), now, with you guys become kind of fun and lesser our pain. As, after watching this “abomination series “, it’s really helpful and kind of healing to have someone like you (and other fans here❤️)to share same love /respect for Tolkien world and talk about it.
I've never expected it to follow the books. I just enjoy it for what it is rather than constantly fret over the entire show. I did the same thing for the three LOTR movies. I had read the books once every year or six months for many years so I found the differences jarring. It was actually easier to enjoy them by going back and watch them a second time without those expectations. Frankly all this uproar over something of relatively little importance is just silly.
In regards to Sauron using “the Force” I can’t recall but was Celebrimbor touching the elf whose name no one can remember? If he was, could Sauron have actually used Celebrimbor as a puppet since he’s already inside his mind. The hand gesture being more of a visual cue for the audience. Then we see him do a similar thing with the elven soldiers that try to arrest him: he gets into their minds and forces them to stab one another, he doesn’t actually control them physically. That’s how I chose to interpret those moments anyway
The order to fire first came about with the first guns in medieval times. It referred to lighting the wicks that ignited the powder in the pan. Yhe orders for archers would have been nock & loose.
I watch this because I think u guy where way to generous to the quality of the first season outside of how much it shits over every middle earth because I know u are trying your up most to do a balanced view of the show
Annatar is the only good thing about this show now. Elrond, Galadriel, durin, narvi, Gil galad, all wasted strong characters. How did Galadriel slip out of the orc camp in the worst disguise ever? WTF was that kissing scene, it’s so gross, I get you needed a distraction but 🤮🤢, then theres Rian the Boromir wanna be, the wacky conversation and then where Is Gil galad in all this? I’m so beside myself rn
Look to the north?? What’s this f rate helms deep rip off??? I’ve always been on the positive side with this show, willing to give it an opportunity when it shows promise but this is downright BAD. Terrible even
When Gil galad finally shows up, he’s all cool with his spear but what’s firming ranks with 12 soldiers? Poor Arondir, too cool for his own good too. And Elrond , just WTF? This whole episode is a WTF.
I also think that if you have not read the books nor seen the Peter Jackson adaptations, it might be more enjoyable. For people in that situation do not have any expectations or preexisting knowledge of how it should have been. You can tell from the quality of settings, graphics, and costumes, that the show has a high production value. You can see that the producers have spent lots of money on the project. And there are many cool things about the show like how they depict Númenor and Khazad-dûm. And even the build up to the eruption of Mt. Doom to create Mordor was cool. But the characters have been underwhelming, particularly the elves. Arondir is the only Elf who seems to have qualities one would expect for an elf. The rest of the Elves are similar to men in their flaws, ambitions, foresight, wisdom, and humility. They are shown to be wise in one scene and then are making a critical blunder in the next. Season 1 the Harfoot experience was slow, but at least I could understand this as to establish the reason for Gandalf’s love of the hobbits. I didn’t hate the Dwarves, or the scenes with the Númenoreans, it is really just the huge disappointment with the portrayal of the elves. Gil-galad, Elrond, Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Cirdan are supposed to be near perfect beings for what is good, noble, pure, and beautiful. And they seem to have more qualities of men than they do of elves. It is sad seeing the resources that are going to the show result in a product so dissimilar from the source material. However it must be noted that there was always going to have to be some amount of artistic license. There were too many gaps and holes in the lore to make a cohesive show. However it could have been filled in a way to make it still feel true to the source. It has been filled but doesn’t feel true to the source. It doesn’t feel Tolkien outside of the names of places and characters. So if you don’t know who JRR Tolkien is before watching the show, maybe then it can be a decent compelling show. But it really must be approached as a spin-off or an entire retelling of the story by a new author, unrelated to previous works entirely. It’s sad when you think about the money and resources they had and what could have been…that is what makes me the most sad. What could have been… And again nothing against the actors. I think they are doing a good job. It’s the director and writers that have missed the mark.
I gave up after E3 of this new season. I was willing to see what the show did after the mess of S1 and if they would do better. Nope, they doubled down on just making up theor own crap and I just coild not keep going. I still am watching your recaps though to hear the increasing frustration
It’s almost impressive how they manage to make the show worse with every episode, like someone baking cookies and consistently forgetting the sugar… then doubling down on the vinegar.
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I think the words of Treebeard say it best.
There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery.
@@TheBrokenSword maybe showing scenes from the show would be better.
the ''review" videos are definitely MY therapy! God, it SUCKS! it just keeps getting worse! 0.5/5 (the .5 is for the troll, he seemed interesting right before he died in that 5 second battle)
Let's just skip the finale and hang out instead and talk about real LOTR stuff. I recently rewatched the original series, extended version, and immediately felt SO much better :) They're just screwing up the series on purpose to annoy the fans, for ROP. We should deny them our eye balls in the name of rightful pay back >:)
@@TheBrokenSword You knew this would be the case, you both knew. And yet you persisted with this heresy.
@@TheBrokenSword the orcs were never the manifestation of evil. They represent a crime of creation...
why did they get the rights for the books if they don't use them
Marketing. No one was gonna tune into any of these hack’s original works.
They didn't get the rights to the books. They bought the rights to the hobbit and lord of the rings books, and the appendix of the 1st and 2nd age. They cannot use alot, and I mean alot of the silmirilion. Basically they bought the rights to the wrong stuff.. then tried to make it work anyway.
Edit: that's not me defending them in any way. This show breaks my heart. Waited my whole life to see the first or second age on film and the butchered it beyond recognition. I hope the writers and showrunners never get another media job after this for the rest of thier lives. These 2 morons should be allowed to run a car wash let alone a billion dollar show.
We are all wondering what went on there, spennding 200 millions an not getting ALL of Tolkiens books is just insane
My understanding is that they only got the rights for the Appendices, when what were needed were the rights to the Silmarillion😢
Not that that would in any way have improved the writing of this failed rendering of Tolkien's legendarium.
You missed the part where they take the pages out of the books...and wipe their asses with them.
Guys don't ever give into anyone that has a problem with how you talk about this. You are right and it's not subjective. You either know this is terrible or you cannot tell the difference between good things and bad things.
@@Jamienc I don't mind people liking the show as a fantasy show. If you want some easy to watch fantasy show I think this one is okay. It depends on what you are looking for
Kinda weird to say that they should do something else, when the commenter said that they should do more lore vids. I wonder why are they watching it if they don't want to hear any critique about the show. Player character mentality, imo.
Thankfully they made the show for the middle 80% of the societal bell curve, NOT for u and ur fellow nerd-raging Lore police, Gatekeepers of Tolkien, and fragile little magats.
“Not subjective,” lmao…”opinions are like a$sholes; everybody’s got one.” - TLC
“It’s not subjective” is simply a twat comment. Of course it’s subjective. Some people like Justin Bieber. Doesn’t mean you’re better than anyone else.
@ilari90 Because when normal adults dislike a show, they reach for a box called a “remote” and change the channel. The weirdest few percentile of ppl, however, seem addicted to pissing & moaning. As the showrunners said, trolls are just something ur gonna encounter while in ME lmao
Keep your credibility…I’ve unfollowed so many other channels who are pretending this show is good. It’s a poor show, Tolkien or not.
Me too.But the real Tolkien channels are all totally Shocked - 5/5
Saurons Matrix
@zippo-john, TRUTH!
That is a flipping ironic comment, are you for real? F***ING hell. "Pretending", pretend is to play to the narrative, to play to the traffic. This is what this channel and some of these heavy traffic critic channels are doing now. They hate watching to get the clicks.
Now to hate it is to be fake. It is now contrived when originally these channels were good against the onslaught of the purple heads but now they are pretty much "bullocks". They all copy each other. It is cool to hate RoP haven't you seen? You are part of this now "cool" club like this channel here, well done. It all theatre and drama with their exaggerated criticism over pathetic things whilst they watch all manners of sh*T. Like HotD. They all of sudden apply real life physics and rational. Today's episode was pretty decent. Enjoyed the heavy metal encore. One of the better episodes.
I am now convinced amazon made the rings of power, just to piss off Lord of Rings fans
It seems a deliberate strategy to deconstruct and demoralize.
@@TrebizondMusic-cm6fp agreed.
For what it's worth guys, I am a fan of the bashing. Tear this s*** show down!
@archibaldfencepost7696 dang man you should find a hobby so you're happy instead of whatever this is.
@hyoogekawc8465 happiness comes in many ways, and this show is funny to make fun of and give criticism 😉
Guys remember when ppl used to change the channel lmfao.
Now these PMS channels and sorry excuses for content pop up all over from ppl trying to cash in on a show they “hate” (but watch still THREE YRS IN?!). No way these are ppl w/ careers, families, lives, responsibilities, homes, hobbies…just no way. They sound like a bunch of nerd-rage infested teens lmao
About not attacking the actors: No, you shouldn't do that.
But.. actors also should not attack fans for disliking a product. Everyone with any criticism has been called a troll, a racist etc. And I think a lot of the actors have lost any credits from the fans because they started attacking us first. I know that they are media trained, and I know that there are things they have to say. But my god. Please be a bit more like Henry Cavill who actually defends fandoms and fans and are giving them a right to speak their mind.
@@C_Shanty1993 maybe it bothers you to be called a racist and a troll because, deep down, u know damn well they’re right.
Like. Look at this comment lmao:
“demilitarizedzone96 •2yr ago•
Why are you trying to gaslight people here?
Tolkien was extremely careful in constructing his world, and all what you said here is patently untrue.
*Tolkien states clearly that Numenorian people were tall, fair of face, and royal house never grew beard.*
He stated Galadriel never took a boat or traveled to Numenor because close proximity to sea made her yearning to return to Valinor too painful to bear. She even warns Legolas of the sea's effects.
*Tolkien stated that Miriel's skin was fairer than silver, pearls or ivory.*
Amazon chose to disregard all of that and more, which is a valid criticism to have.”
A LOT of u have pissed & moaned about the strong female lead, the races of the cast… and um, *wigs* LMAO 🤨🤔🧐. There’s entire blogs about the race crap, dude. This stupid channel won’t even let me link them tho. Gotta maintain that echo chamber lmao.
As a woman in breast cancer treatment, I’m seriously wondering how a bunch of males who have never had cancer know SO much about wigs. Shoot, I can’t even tell they’re wearing them. Lmao. Imagine like, watching a show & just staring and staring and staring at the actor’s hair. Good grief 🤣
seen too many people calling people who have criticised the show racist/misogynist it's tiring it seems aren't aloud to criticize anymore
Whilst I agree no one should resort to ad-hominem attacks on "Jobbing Actors, " I feel actors should practice some critical thinking regarding the characters they are playing & the lines they are saying. After all, their reputations & success in future auditions may depend on it.
@@jordanmince7613 The “they’re just racist” trope is lazy and nonsensical.
The bottom line is that this show is absolute shit. I tried watching both seasons. I was done by E3 in the first season, and then I checked out on the first episode in season 2. It’s just horrible.
You and I are on the same page so I know you know that I don’t need to write out an entire essay of our reasons why lol.
If this channel didn’t censor links lmfao I could show u entire pages of comments debating races in ME, diversity, and pissing & moaning about the skin colors of the cast. And it’s been going in since BEFORE THE SHOW BEGAN! Stumbled on a Reddit convo the other day where ppl are saying crap like “Mariel was said to be fair as a pearl” and other BS and other arguments involved ppl being like dude why don’t you wait to watch it before hating it? Theres just so many examples. The colored actors ought to knock them into next week. Ppl grow balls of steel when they’re behind a screen. In person, tho, they’d want NONE of it.
Durin was known to randomly axe his own people. That’s why he was known as one of the original, wonderful fathers of dwarves, reincarnated seven times, but all knew of his violent rage blackouts…😂
Yeah but this durin has to deal with only half of himself being reincarnated, with the other half going to his son. Must be difficult
@@matthewmonkey9934 that’s quite a good point 🤔
I have chosen to let TH-camrs spoil this show for me for season 2. I haven’t once watch an episode and I am much happier this season!
Me too! The best way to watch this show to be honest
Same. Not a single episode. The heartburn I got from s1 was quite enough.
i actually like the show. You probably would to if you'd go into it without the constant worry of whether it keeps true to the books and just think of it as a retelling of a story.
Maybe if I had a lobotomy!
You're so tragic lol. Make up your mind about things.
Gil-Galad is not believable as a fighter or an elf. Not only does he look like his glory days are behind him; it’s as if he never had any glory days at all. Has someone gone off to find the breastplate stretcher? Perhaps it will help him look the part.
hahaha well put
True no way is that the same Elf that battled Sauron on the slopes of mount doom
@@98Dreadboyright? No chance
The famous beastplate stretcher ! How long before they figure that out ™
"I was at the Bartle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand."
I have to say, I didn’t fully comprehend the hate. Until I listened to your breakdowns of where the actual characters were at this time, then I fully understood. They have such great characters and stories to work with. It would have been great for them to just make the stories come to life.
Maybe we are all worng, nobody is that stupid to make so many stupid decisions like this. They made us root for bad guys, that we love Orcs, Adar and Annatar, and litteraly we are pissed off when we see Elrond, Galadriel etc, etc...I agree when you said about middle finger to the fans, maybe that was all on purpose
For real, friend of mine who doesent know the books watched LOTR movies after first season of RoP and said to me "So Galadriel is guilty for everything", idk but maybe their intend to butcher Tolkien was succsesfull
The only pathos I felt this ep was towards that top orc that has a family
Literally 12 Elves fighting an entire Orc army
This show hurts my soul. I have to watch like when you drive by a car accident. Each episode gets worse and worse. Few authors have given more source material to go on and they've just ignored every word of it. It's an abomination.
Why watch then watch videos about it?
@borkthebasher
WTF; is this a bot? Cuz how could an actual human being type this about a TV show they’ve been w/ for 3 YEARS!!!!!! Who raised these emotionally disturbed & super fragile ppl?! Or let them spend 90% of their childhood & adolescence behind screens?! They’re completely unequipped to take on the real world, have a career, and raise a family. This read like someone is describing a traumatic experience … but is applied to a TV show??
As for looking back at a car accident … that’s u having it made. I was a level 1 trauma patient after my near-fatal car accident. Left side shattered, all limbs broken, some JOINTS shattered, insides carved up by sharp edges of broken ribs, scalped. Looking at a car accident lololol… try 8 days in trauma ICU on a ventilator & in medically induced coma, 1.5 months on trauma floor w/ weekly reconstructive surgeries, 1.5 months in a freaking nursing home for “after care”, then going home w/ a PICC line & Visiting Nurse Services. Was a 3rd yr medical student before…left, got >$350,000 in student loans forgiven…
Yeah, looking at a car accident is nothing dude.
When one dislikes a show, it should just be turned off and their experience seeing it should just roll right off their shoulder & be forgotten. It’s pixels on a flat screen for crying out loud.
So there are people who are watching you react to a show they know you don’t like and then commenting that you’re ’hate watching’? Isn’t that textbook hate watching?
If you’re expecting the people doing that to have the self awareness to realise they’re being utter hypocrites then I think you’ll be disappointed.
The show is just garbage and an insult to tolkien. Someone has to warn us from this shit
well they think this show is great, therefore they can't be too bright.
There was way too many rip off moments from the lotr. Why do creators of this show lack so much imagination?
More then that they lack Heart and Confidence into heir own work too their is no Love poured into his Project its all Interjecting B.S storylines.
Because they get chatgpt to write the script
I actually saw all of those, i know they are cool and all but the grandiour is not there, its poorly done. I am not hating the series, i didn't even read the books, but i see the obvious failures and reasons why ppl are calling it BS.
I have watched each episode of The Rings of Power, and I have sighed and shaken my head in sadness many times, but this was the first episode that I openly laughed at this show in mockery. It was just. So. BAD.
There is a special circle in hell reserved for this show. It is unfathomably disrespectful and i dont know how you can call yourself a fan of tolkiens ACTUAL works and support this show/say it is good in any way. Its needs these scathing take-downs guys, keep it up
Its almost like people enjoy different stuff.
Also, the biggest problem with the show is bad writing. In terms of Tolkien lore this takes the piss no more than the Hobbit films do.
@@andystevens2772😂hobbit films were bad, but this is on another level.
@luke-kh1rj lol, and exactly what will be accomplished? The majority like the show. Those of u in society’s fringes might not, but who told u it was made for you? Nobody is gonna dump $ on a project that caters to the teeenyy tinyyy sliver of society who want Tolkein’s hot mess of a massive collection of writings [hardly any abt 2nd age] distilled exactly how they like and presented to them for their pleasure. You’re free to turn the show off, to forget about it, and to read the books, which haven’t gone anywhere. But, like, u guys are not even remotely close to having the numbers to influence something like this. The showrunners came out and said basically that trolls are just something you can expect to encounter while in M.E. They’re not gonna come over to u, drop to their knees & open their mouths. U can’t influence the show, stop it, poach its fans, etc. All u can do is (1) waste another however many years watching it & writing/watching things about it, and (2) piss & moan online, which is basically like screaming into a void. Go find something you enjoy watching like ppl used to up until recently
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i the good stuff here is way better than the Hobbit. The Tauriel romance, the barrel chase, Goblin Town, most of the legolas scenes. I enjoyed some of it because, like a lot of stuff, some is good some is bad.
For me as I said the Annatar stuff has been fantastic. I'm kinda hoping the stranger storyline just ends this season.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x why you so angry? I would suggest seeing a therapist if people that hold a different opinion to you, get you so rattled.
The elves in the show lack wisdom, perception, intelligence, and foresight.
It seems the show is more concerned with making sure they have a diverse cast rather than having a good story.
I don’t completely hate the show, but it falls well short of Peter Jackson’s interpretation. I don’t think it’s due to the acting. The show is poorly written. It seems to be more of a problem with the director’s vision and love of the original material.
I love that the cast is diverse and many different people are getting a chance on screen. I don’t care who the actors are as long as the characters are interesting, believable, and the story is well written. But the story is not, the characters are not.
@rossholst5315 To an extent, yes, but you wouldn't make a movie based on Mein Kampf and have the Hitler character played by a man from Pakistan...
It's not like there aren't any other roles for people. It doesn't have to be a ridiculous diversity mash.
@@Yugemos I would not expect that. However, it is possible that such an actor would be fine.
It depends on how much artistic license you wanted to give the story. But I agree this feels more like diversity salad vs a cohesive story plan. I am just saying I am willing to allow for some artistic license and creativity. I care more about pulling off the vision than the demographics of an individual actor playing a part.
It just feels more like a deliberate attempt to put an emphasis on diversity rather than something that developed naturally with the story.
I don't care about the diverse cast, it's the writing that's unforgivable.
You can tell the writers have never been outside. an ORC manned trebuchet accurately hitting a human sized rock from a mile away up a mountain? A trebuchet hit causing a mountain to collapse?
The wave is only 2ft tall and the splash speed was 3x too fast?
Next thing I know sauron will learn to use the force...
that was so bad horse armor from cloth elf armor painted green by 5yo not looking like patina and fck kiss
I just discovered your channel. I have no problem with your honesty. This is a terrible show and deserves to be criticized. Like you, I would have LOVED a faithful show about the second age. Instead, we got this.
Stopping a charge to have a talk? impossible. .... Arondir died, I guess ? ... Elrond and Galadriel kissing made my cry, but not the right way
Thank you for continuing to put these discussions out. Just as you mention, it saves me from giving views to Amazon. It would be amazing if they could turn things around and make this a show I thought I could watch... but its not looking good. Thanks boys❤
TOLKIEN: Galadriel marries Celeborn. Elrond will marry Celebrian and have Arwen.
AMAZON: Elrond and Galadriel should kiss!
ME: Wtf :( (I know it was to give her the brooch but romantic music + focus on kiss? Sad)
Your guys’ approach to Star Wars is exactly my approach to RoP. I’m a lifelong Tolkien nerd and refuse to give Amazon my money or views for this joke.
So I appreciate you guys trudging through the mud for us who refuse to watch it but still are curious as to how they’re “improving” Tolkien.
Bless you boys
I was first introduced to Tolkien and his world by my dad when i was 12 and loved it. Now i'm 52 and i still love it.
Now this show..
Watching this show every week makes me angrier and angrier and more upset too. I was upset by the first season but i f*cking hate were they went with season two.
I cant even stand people who say they like or love it.
Sounds pathetic?? I dont really care.
not at all. lots of people really love the series. And this adaptation is just sad and horrible. I'm just not gonna watch the finale again until like...next year. LOOL! It's what I did for season 1. I kinda watched the episodes off and on but was so disgusted by the content that I refused to watch the last episode. lol.
I don’t get how time passes in this series. Everybody just seems to fast travel from one place to another with no great length of time passing.
When Celebrimbor looked at the vice I was like yeah clamp the chain in there but nope. Even if it didn’t work but he didn’t even attempt it.
For better or worse the Orcs were probably the best part to the point where at parts, especially with the music, it was like watching the Orcs from the Peter Jackson movies
I said the same thing about the chain, but then my partner said he wanted to mutilate himself to stop making rings, but the rings were done. Made no sense. It’s a metal working lab. Also, I couldn’t figure out if sauron had paused time for only celebrimbor, or was replaying the same daytime loop, but yet he was physically degrading with time. I might just be dumb but I was confused
@@alicetoyou448 I’m glad I’m not the only one confused
I thought it was cool when Sauron said "don't try it, Annakin. I have the high ground."
When Galadriel and Elrond kissed I actually had to pause for a long while. First I screamed because I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Then I spent the next while, face in my hands, just screaming into them. I never would’ve believed they could surprise this much. They actually had to physically try to do a bad job.
That kiss was the worst thing ever. Even if you scrub your mind of Tolkien and take the show as an independent story, it still would make absolutely no sense.
I liked the orc music at the end though.
I think I’ve actually watched more of this channel because of the reviews of the Rings of Power. Mostly because I don’t have a great knowledge of lore. I have seen other channels which critique RoP on non-lore reasons, and they say it’s bad too.
Why didn’t celembrimbor just use the thumb cutter to cut the chains?! He was surrounded by tools, and he’s the most accomplished smith since Feanor….he can’t disassemble some handcuffs?! Also….maybe the reason why the troll laughs is because they killed him 5 seconds before the sun came up….which would’ve turned him to stone instantly anyway.
The siege was the most stupid thing I have ever watched in a fantasy show, no joke.
To be fair, Celebrimbor had some really amazing scenes and the actors did a great job, but you can tell none of the showrunners were ever near a real battle, or a real siege engine, or near a real wall, or near a real river...
Once again, no hate against the actor, with a better script this could be amazing.
And always remember, Elrond marries Galadriels daughter in the book.
As opposed to all of the real medieval battles/battles against armies of orcs or elves you've taken part in?
Also remember that Elrond kissed her so he could slip her the brooch. You must have seen that right?
@@andystevens2772writers have to do their research to make things feel realistic. Go to Wales and look at castles and learn about seigd tactics. Feels like they're knowledge base is coming from video games and guesses.
@@andystevens2772it's not often talked about, but Tolkien (being a veteran himself) depicts battles and strategy quite realistically. Unlike a lot of other fantasy and sci-fi commanders in the legendarium use real world military logic and make for the large part sensible decisions (for example Sauron attacking all the free peoples at once makes to keep them from uniting their forces is what most actual generals would do in his position). Also there's no defense for making Galadriel and Elrond kiss in any context but Archive Of Our Own.
@@GRB-tj6uj Even if you make the argument it was to slip her the pin, he could have done a more platonic gesture. Kiss on the cheek or forehead.
And again, neverminding the source material, this romantic interest was not developed in the *slightest* before this.
Keep doing what you’re doing guys, real Tolkien fans know what’s up. God bless & wishing you guys all the success!
Amazon has reached very, very far up their..... to produce stuff like this and think people will just ditch logic & common sense. But by several reactions, it seems people are actually made to like this show. It's absolutely atrocious what they did in this episode. Felt like a bad carbon copy of Helm's Deep/ROTK Battle without the awesome CGI and the justified epic feel. You guys are spot on! Please save me a seat for next week. :)
The giant cavalry charge being able to stop in 10 meters on a dime with no communication in neat little rows was so ridiculous
I forgive the show a lot of things because it looks great and the Orcs and the Dwarves are awesome. But the Elves!!! Oh dear ... You are right, they are more like Gondor soldiers and not true Elves.
Also as far as the cutting off his thumb, he is a metal crafter with many tools for working on small things, you know like rings, and doesn't know how to pick a lock, one he likely crafted to begin with.
James exactly nailed it when he said about watching TH-cam channels in the hope the shows improve.
I gave up on ROP after episode 4 of this season - which was probably longer than I should have given it. Now I watch you guys (and NOTR) as an overview and maybe catch a clip or two online.
The Sauron/Annatar scenes are incredible. I personally love how he is able to manipulate the minds of everyone around him and bend them to his will. That is how I always envisaged him to be
I got really angry when I saw Elrond kiss Galadriel. Even if it was only to pass that sigil-badge to her it was unforgivable. Anyway, I am really happy you guys hate this as much as I do.
Those who embrace rings of power are doomed to heresy and ruin.❤😂
you guys missed that Sauron got into Durin Jr's head from a distance to make him think that the king was going crazy and kept him and the army in the mountain. Right after the scene it shows Sauron to imply this. This means Sauron knew what was going on in there moment by moment and intervened.
I just love that moment when Elrond just stands watching how one of his soldiers is getting killed right in front of him by like three orcs for some time and does absolutely nothing to help him... All characters in that show are just a bunch of bloody psychopaths.
Love you guys and respect your honesty. It’s sad to see all these other channels lying to themselves and into their fans about the show. Your spot on with everything you’re saying about it.
Also, did anyone else realise how the sun rises in ~1 min at the end of the final battle? Adar rallies his forces when it’s pretty dark, cut to Elrond’s face and it’s daylight, then the sun comes out
I think what sums up the series for me is the excitement about how the things they did alright and the thinks I despise at the same time was that they namedropped Melian "of the Valar".
The name dropping of Melian excited me (background information!) while in the same sentence they could have called her what she is, a Maiar, just like Sauron, and the Istari. It was so wrong.
And that is everywhere in the series.
Like the smithing of the Elven rings. But they were made after the 7 and the 9, not before.
The battle was so outrageously disappointing. Such little showtime for actual fighting, most of the episode still consisted of scenes of two characters talking to each other and the battle of itself was so small scale and didn’t feel dangerous. The battle of Helms Deep and Minas Tirith both showed huge orc armies marching in formations, building tension showing orcs climbing ladders/siege towers and felt dangerous, this episode had none of this, it just felt like pickpockets of fighting in a field. We go to a battle scene and the orcs are just magically on the walls instead of showing the process and pushing forward ladders
Also how is it that orc catapults could easily bring down a mountain top but can’t penetrate a a stone city wall
“We’re just normal Orcs”
“Whatcha mean we’re just normal Orcs?”
“We’re just innocent Orcs…”
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that Tolkien wrote or said somewhere that the whole point of the elves, and the reason they have some envy of men isn't just that they can die (which is weird on Tolkien's part, but whatever), it's that the story of middle earth fundamentally isn't about them, literally. The world is ultimately built for men, and they are mere facilitators of this. They are near perfect, so having a compelling drama centred on them as THE main characters is doomed for failure, because they don't have the flaws that make compelling protagonists. They have enough for ancillary characters, and in book form they can be compelling in a literary, poetic way, but not in a way that suits television.
I’m still recovering from the shock. I was like whaaaat? What? Elrond and Galadriel kissing ? No way , absolutely no way
Rings of Power makes a good editing assignment for film students. Is it possible to re-edit to a watchable state?
No, I don't think you can... Maybe like a few fight scenes? Provided you change the plot and just insert the fight scene clips into that different movie :). You could keep the troll too. No dialogue. And so far he's the most fun (dead) character.
I think the thrash metal music at the end was a nice touch.
I’ve tried to be open-minded with the show but the plot and writing are world class awful. It’s a shame the small moments of success were drowned out by all the bad. Several scenes were well made but became meaningless in this piss soup of a plot. What I can say that is positive is that the costume designers, set designers, CGI artists, and most actors did a wonderful job. It’s a shame their hard work had to go towards an illogical, poorly written series.
the costumes, sets, and cgi do not look good enough to be a part of a "billion dollar" television program imo.
26:44 The kiss was incredibly shocking, but also wow…wtf. My head dropped as I sat up and my wife (knowing how big of a Tolkien nerd I am) started to laugh cause she knew this was the most ridiculous scene and she agreed that the numbers are gonna drop drastically now. That said, the more I think of it maybe the “forgive me” was for the kiss, and in some ways it could’ve been better writing if Adar thought that he and Galadriel were more and said something to hint at that, which is the only reason Elrond would’ve done that…but even then still, grab her hand, do the same pass off of the key, and place foreheads together…I’m angrier writing this haha ughh
On face value this Season has been SOOO much better than Season One was, for a casual viewer I am sure it is very entertaining, but for those of us that have delved into the lore of Tolkiens world, the plot holes are still claringly obvious and unfortunatetly are a massive let down. Sure some things can be put down to it being an adaptation and being limited to the Lord of the Rings books only. However, Galadriel being this lost in love character in Season One with Halbrand and now kissing Elrond is just nuts! The dwarvern rings being known by the dwarves to be corrupted them to greed is odd, as why would they then pass them down for generations until they are lost to the dragons or recovered by Sauron...
Can't answer the Dwarf question but as for the kiss, it was just a bit so he has a chance to slip her the brooch
@@andystevens2772 But it didn't have to be a kiss is the issue
@@Moplive95it's a trope though isn't it. A kiss goodbye, easy to hide palming something off. Badly done maybe but the idea is to make you go "huh wtf they're in lo..ahh it was to give her the thing"
You're absolutely allowed to have an opinion. I only watch this show out of some morbid curiosity now. They had so much range to make this an incredibly original thing but they've literally raped the books. If it wasn't so shit it'd be funny 😂
Keep up the great work on the honest reviews. Your commentary is awesome and hilarious.
Watching the episode right now. The cringe is hard to bear.
You show your integrity by being honest and calling it out for the abomination it is. There are far too many channels shilling for amazing and compromising themselves, thinking it will benefit them.
“I hope this show gets shut down, makes me angrier and angrier each week” honestly you two are one of the only channels who actually speak the truth. I didn’t spend half a year reading the lore to then see Amazon torch Tolkiens work
Thank you. This is therapy for everyone who watched the episode. This episode was a 6/10, probably the best episode of the season. It could have been much better with minor changes.
Why cant Amazon just pay for some extras, not enough elves in Errigion?
You guys are really tame compared to other channels I've seen on rop, your doing good keep it up =) I like hearing other people's opinions
I’m worried, the way they are setting Galadriel vs Sauron, she has to be apart of the last alliance right? How can she be so against him then just stay home when all the elves go finish him off. So is she going to be the one to kill him? I can’t see them ending the show without them having a big stand off
Sad that when they said the doors are closed, that we never saw the doors of Durin put in place, not ever seen again 😢
Based on the "size" of this siege, I really really want you guys to do a MESBG scenario for it. You probably have enough minis, and could create an Adar "hero". I think that would be awesome.
Thx.. because, this least favorite time of the week with least favorite series, now, with you guys become kind of fun and lesser our pain!
As, after watching this “abomination series“, it’s really helpful and kind of healing to have someone like you (and other fans here❤️)to share same love /respect for Tolkien world and talk about it .
And I’ve just remembered about that elf who hesitates and doesn’t know where to shoot. Never have I ever seen an elf act like that. He kind of draws his bow and can’t decided to shoot the orc to the left or to the right. Did anybody else notice that? I get it’s a chaotic battle but we’ve seen bigger battles and elves literally acting cool under fire. I don’t know why it just completely threw me at that moment 😂
I love how you guys think the cast are Nice people because when you met them and where saying nice things about the show... they where friendly to you....
Not gonna lie, when they said “ and Sauron basically…uses the force…” made me laugh out loud lol
It’s like you make a film about History, but you write a story with Gengis Khan, Columbus and Napoleon living at the same time. Only if one is too ignorant he’ll enjoy it
I’ve not watched any of season 2 but I’ve noticed that IMDB no longer post any comments on the show and says the past 5 episodes haven’t been reviewed… interesting
Ok. Had some time to think...and actually now think it's even worse. lol
Biggest issue hands-down from the beginning: The Halbrand mystery storyline. It did NOTHING to elevate Sauron's character or make him appear more vicious or cunning. It made him look weak in fact. They should have simply started out with One Season of incredible character building and setups...forging the rings, deception, intrigue, etc. It's all in the source material already. It would have been perfect that way!
They even could have kept the whole Harfoot storyline. Chuck in the Blue Wizard, who helps to fight the evil rising in the East, amends for what the other blue wizard did wrong (being corrupted and all). He ends up helping the Harfoots/Stoors. Somewhere in Season 4 they find the Shire etc. Fine!
They had the first episode to really setup the whole history of Valinor (which they tried) and they could have introduced Galadriel and Celeborn and shown this elves to be the incredible characters that they ought to be!
Instead it does feel like we're watching a Tolkien soap opera!!! Shoddy character development (mostly) and I am so angry for all those wonderful actors, who could have been given truly memorable roles to play. Instead, they've been reduced to this utterly bamboozling, befuddled mess of a show.
You want to know where the money went for this? Not the writing, not the CGI, not the actors, etc. It's gone toward destroying what could have been another powerful legacy of Tolkien's work. Such disrespect for somebody's work should NEVER be rewarded. And sadly, there are far too many people these days who enjoy this mild, mind-numbing, dumbed-down type of entertainment...
OKAY... so I've had a think about how they could save this show. Because, at this point, it is not just "a bad show", it's actively damaging Tolkien's legacy. I have spoken to people who "don't want to read" the stories because they're boring. Now the whole "it was a dream" thing would piss a lot of people off, buuuuuuuut how about they do a sudden 180 and have a young scholar in Minas Tirith writing all this shit down, and an older scholar comes in with some of his pages FURIOUS. "What is this?! This is not how it happened?!" "Well I thought I'd spice it up a bit" "Spice it up?! It's our history you imbecile!!! Get out, you are never to touch a quill again." Then we do a QUICK recap of what has happened, lore accurate, same actors and everything but with the right time line. And rejoin the story with handing out the 9. Moving forward with a lore accurate show.
When they said compressed timeline i didnt think time travel lol too funny.
I love that you point out the insults and lore breaks. Im with you both
I watched this episode with my wife when he kissed her I shouted WTF!
She didn't understand.
Face palm... So so so bad!
thatr kiss was the worst reaction kiss in all of cinema. Seriously. No? I can't think of another worst one.... @_@'.....
Good God. Did you see when Elrond kissed Galadriel so he could pass her the pin....THERE'S AN ORC STARING AT THEM AS THEY DO IT! lololol
Love the breakdowns of these episodes - keep it up lads 💪!
Pitch meeting:
"So then this giant troll turns up"
"Wow! I bet defeating him is going to be really hard."
"Actually it'll be super easy. Barely an inconvenience. "
I am so glad I have never read the books. I am really enjoying this show. I get excited for Thursdays to get here. 9/10 for me so far
I do here what you said you do with Star Wars. I check here every week to see if continues to be as abysmal as the first session was. I’ve not watched any of season 2.
I so so wish that it was good. I really wanted to love it!
The battle scenes felt like none of the main characters were on the same continent.
Like acolyte, it wasn't made by people who love and were fans of the books, it's made by people trying to remake it in their own belief system to push an agenda.
I mean, i have no idea what elrond and galadriel were like and did back in that time, didn't really read the books, but i can tell they never had love affairs or any shit like that. However Addar had no idea about that either so maybe that's what elrond did in order confuse Addar not to see that he gave her the means of escaping. Maybe? Dunno XD
They could have rather than Sauron using Jedi powers, he could have made the girl with the forgettable name appear to have been an attacking Orc illusion, that he pushes over the edge but it was the girl. That is more effective without introducing telekinesis...
Doesn't matter. Everything is turned to black... But in terms of telekinesis there is precedent in the Jackson trilogy when Saruman imprisons Gandalf
Thx.. because, this least favorite time of the week with least favorite series of the history, (maybe!), now, with you guys become kind of fun and lesser our pain.
As, after watching this “abomination series “, it’s really helpful and kind of healing to have someone like you (and other fans here❤️)to share same love /respect for Tolkien world and talk about it.
I am still waiting for the "crouching tiger hidden dragon" style fight scene featuring Goldberry.
Would be a step up tbf
I've never expected it to follow the books. I just enjoy it for what it is rather than constantly fret over the entire show. I did the same thing for the three LOTR movies. I had read the books once every year or six months for many years so I found the differences jarring. It was actually easier to enjoy them by going back and watch them a second time without those expectations. Frankly all this uproar over something of relatively little importance is just silly.
Thank you for watching so I don't have to. Please keep giving your honest opinions, we deserve better and complacency won't get us anywhere.
In regards to Sauron using “the Force” I can’t recall but was Celebrimbor touching the elf whose name no one can remember? If he was, could Sauron have actually used Celebrimbor as a puppet since he’s already inside his mind. The hand gesture being more of a visual cue for the audience. Then we see him do a similar thing with the elven soldiers that try to arrest him: he gets into their minds and forces them to stab one another, he doesn’t actually control them physically. That’s how I chose to interpret those moments anyway
Even the battle was lame, make a full charge and stop 1 second before impact
The order to fire first came about with the first guns in medieval times. It referred to lighting the wicks that ignited the powder in the pan. Yhe orders for archers would have been nock & loose.
Great breakdown lads 😂😂 hard to find many positives in this latest episode tbh... Still fun to chat about
I watch this because I think u guy where way to generous to the quality of the first season outside of how much it shits over every middle earth because I know u are trying your up most to do a balanced view of the show
Annatar is the only good thing about this show now. Elrond, Galadriel, durin, narvi, Gil galad, all wasted strong characters. How did Galadriel slip out of the orc camp in the worst disguise ever? WTF was that kissing scene, it’s so gross, I get you needed a distraction but 🤮🤢, then theres Rian the Boromir wanna be, the wacky conversation and then where Is Gil galad in all this? I’m so beside myself rn
But there were big explosions! And people we don't know died! So much to love, right? *sarcasm*
Look to the north?? What’s this f rate helms deep rip off??? I’ve always been on the positive side with this show, willing to give it an opportunity when it shows promise but this is downright BAD. Terrible even
When Gil galad finally shows up, he’s all cool with his spear but what’s firming ranks with 12 soldiers? Poor Arondir, too cool for his own good too. And Elrond , just WTF? This whole episode is a WTF.
The siege of Camp Eregion with their 20 elves
I also think that if you have not read the books nor seen the Peter Jackson adaptations, it might be more enjoyable. For people in that situation do not have any expectations or preexisting knowledge of how it should have been.
You can tell from the quality of settings, graphics, and costumes, that the show has a high production value. You can see that the producers have spent lots of money on the project.
And there are many cool things about the show like how they depict Númenor and
Khazad-dûm. And even the build up to the eruption of Mt. Doom to create Mordor was cool.
But the characters have been underwhelming, particularly the elves. Arondir is the only Elf who seems to have qualities one would expect for an elf. The rest of the Elves are similar to men in their flaws, ambitions, foresight, wisdom, and humility. They are shown to be wise in one scene and then are making a critical blunder in the next.
Season 1 the Harfoot experience was slow, but at least I could understand this as to establish the reason for Gandalf’s love of the hobbits.
I didn’t hate the Dwarves, or the scenes with the Númenoreans, it is really just the huge disappointment with the portrayal of the elves. Gil-galad, Elrond, Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Cirdan are supposed to be near perfect beings for what is good, noble, pure, and beautiful. And they seem to have more qualities of men than they do of elves.
It is sad seeing the resources that are going to the show result in a product so dissimilar from the source material.
However it must be noted that there was always going to have to be some amount of artistic license. There were too many gaps and holes in the lore to make a cohesive show. However it could have been filled in a way to make it still feel true to the source.
It has been filled but doesn’t feel true to the source. It doesn’t feel Tolkien outside of the names of places and characters. So if you don’t know who JRR Tolkien is before watching the show, maybe then it can be a decent compelling show.
But it really must be approached as a spin-off or an entire retelling of the story by a new author, unrelated to previous works entirely.
It’s sad when you think about the money and resources they had and what could have been…that is what makes me the most sad. What could have been…
And again nothing against the actors. I think they are doing a good job. It’s the director and writers that have missed the mark.
I gave up after E3 of this new season. I was willing to see what the show did after the mess of S1 and if they would do better.
Nope, they doubled down on just making up theor own crap and I just coild not keep going.
I still am watching your recaps though to hear the increasing frustration
It’s almost impressive how they manage to make the show worse with every episode, like someone baking cookies and consistently forgetting the sugar… then doubling down on the vinegar.
Chocolate chip cookies but that ain’t chocolate 💩