Paul Bernardo - Police interrogation of notorious serial killer
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- Here is the jailhouse interview of Paul Bernardo, perpetrator of what his victims' lawyer called "the most sensational crime in Canadian history," here to be being studied educationally for its insight into the psychology of such a man.
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Paul Bernardo and his wife, Karla Homolka, became notorious for the abductions and murders of two Ontario school girls, 14-year-old Leslie Mahaffy and 15-year-old Kristen French. Bernardo also sexually attacked 20 other women. It was huge news and the events still remain of great news value and public interest because of the controversial court proceedings.
Extracts from the interview were filed in court in connection with an application by a London, Ont., man who was convicted of an attack on a 15-year-old girl in 1989 to which Bernardo has now confessed to committing. The wrongful conviction was a story I broke in the National Post on April 24, 2008, an investigation I am proud of; revealing injustice is one of a journalist's highest callings.
After his convictions, Toronto Police interviewed Bernardo at Kingston penitentiary in 2007 as part of their investigations into other crimes that occurred at the time Bernardo was raping and killing. The government fought to suppress the video but Ontario Superior Court Justice David McCombs ruled the full 31-minute interview was of value to the public. "The Internet is now an established extension of responsible media outlets' reporting," the judge ruled.
It is the first time most people have a chance to see and hear from the notorious man directly. Although his trial was dominated by horrific videos he and Homolka made of their victims, the audio and video of those videos were never made public.
During the interview Bernardo says he has overcome his sexual insecurity that was his trigger and he would be a good candidate for parole in a few years. Fat chance.
"My thing was not to hurt these girls at all, I just wanted the sex. You know when you're a sex predator ... that's what you do, right, 'cause that's your life. I mean it's your vice and me I had a performance anxiety.... You know you have power, control, over younger victims ... Are you a psychopath your entire life," he asked, "or are you a psychopath at that moment and time when you're egocentric about your sex?"
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Plus the video was copied from another channel.
Jordan Peterson sent me here
Arshbir Singh samep
Jordan Peterson is not a psychopath, sheesh....
Jennifer, give an example... you're just rambling nonsense right now like the narcissist in the video.
It's more likely that you're projecting your dishonesty and grandiosity.
He's not a psychopath because he has negative emotions, you can observe this for yourself... crying can be faked but you can actually see him anxious at times.
Me too
#MeToo
Is it trade mark sociopathic to be able to talk for hours and hours and say literally nothing at all? Politicians do this.
Siobhan Henry if that's the case I must be a sociopath 😂
Donald trump
In the beginning of the video. The very beginning. Bernardo Looks like he’s smelling the woman cops pussy like Hannibal Lecter in silence of the lambs lol Mmmm you wear Evian skin cream lol
every 4th politician is a path supposedly
A Raad Hilary Clinton
He’s more concerned about people thinking he’s a liar rather then a murderer or rapist. Interesting.
Simple to him he is not a murderer. the rapes had happened in his mind long enough ago that it’s excusable...so the only offense in his mind that can be given to him is a liar those other two things hold no weight in his conscience. Call him a murderer and a rapist then it gives him leverage on you for lying that’s where the trap is set up.
Well, as much as a murder or rape is about power, what do you think this interview was, to him? If he admits he's a liar, he has no power, no control, and in his mind he would be completely taken advantage of. It would be like allowing everyone in that room to have power over him. It also destroys his image and exposes his true nature, which is essential to a narcissist. Look up narcissistic injury.
I think this is because his identity revolves around being able to lie well. When someone calls him out, and suggests he's not good at what he perceives he's very good at he gets really offended lol
Probably the root of his trauma why he acted out his heinous crimes in the first place
All that matters is how he can manipulate the situation.
How dare they put his reputation in jeopardy by calling him a liar.
He's a good boy. Never hurt anybody. He volunteers at the homeless shelter and he's studying to be a therapist so he can help people.
@@fluffylittlebear what a good person
Lol! Sounds familiar!
So nuts
Now is not a time for your sarcasm
“Enough manipulation” -Paul Bernardo
LOL
Well I mean a career manipulator will know manipulation best...
"Either I'm a liar or I'm not." Yeah, I'm pretty sure he is!!! His attorney, silent.
@JR 1986 He is a bamboozler.
You do almost have to laugh right? Otherwise you'd cry. RIP Kristen, Leslie and Tammy
💀💀
I love it when heinous criminals complain about being treated unfairly.
He’s an antisocial sociopath. You shouldn’t love it or hate it. You should observe it, and try to not act like it.
Lord Tachanka clearly sarcasm
Gabriel Melnik I didn’t even imply that he loves psychopathy. His complaining about it comes from psychopathic narcissism, where he thinks he’s better than anyone else no matter what he’s done. It’s a good example of how not to act in analogous circumstances. Honestly, I expect better reading comprehension from the person who uploaded this video.
He’s not actually complaining, it’s a manipulation tactic
But but hEs A hUmAn BeIiIiIAinG
His arrogance is shocking, all things considered. And Karla Holmokla should have NEVER EVER been released from prison
Going by the same standards of justice and karmas case Bernardo has served too much time and should get paroled in the next few weeks
All
Gail Canadian justices
He probably would have walked without her testimony though and they put the wrong guy in jail first too that should be criminal imo.
Yeah I agree. She was the mastermind behind this. Kinda like Adam and Eve uh?
Agree 1000%
@@oldironsides4107 He'll never serve enough time.
Incredible how being called a liar is the most important thing to him. Narcissist whole life is based on getting away with lies......they'll NEVER admit to a lie even when caught
This is a good distinction, they will lie even after being caught.
Ich glaube da handelt es sich um einen Psychopathen.
itsmore they have to be right
Been dealing with the worst narcissist I have ever crossed paths with in my life for the last 4 years and I am done. They NEVER admit it when they are in the wrong - EVER..they literally would rather die…they are incredibly dangerous…
@@JeffStewart-p8n people with bpd are typically the ones who would wanna be right more than anything else in emotional moments
“I’m not a liar!” Sir, that’s the least of your problems.
It's a question of integrity. It is the most important thing to him.
Right??
Amazing performance by Christian Bale.
Ahahaha 😆
haha asshole
"oh good for youuuuu"
tamaleboy amazing I was just thinking the exact same thing
Oh I see it now 😬
"I made mistakes 17 years ago." Not paying bills on time is a mistake, speeding ticket is a mistake.
Yeah, he did pretty much the worst thing you could ever to do someone. Kidnap, torture, film it, rape a minor, brutalitize, drug, sodomize, murder, dismember and dump a cut up body in a lake. And that was ONE of his victims....
To be fair, the authorities made mistakes too.
He's still breathing.
Scott Hillary agree well said
@@texasray5237 WELL said!!
Not that I didn’t want the death penalty, but his jail cell is quite small. It’s set up for one to literally rot in jail. Good alternative for sure. However, I wish that man or women would put him down right (on this video camera).’
He’s placed at the head of the table,has dominion over the only exit out of the room, given a swinging chair, has a view out of a window, gets to interview the interviewers…and so on. Excellent teaching material. Having worked in the prison service for several years, I’d change those things pretty fast just to make my life easier!
All good points!!
@Ramesses II Setepenre It would certainly play to his ‘strengths’ and allow us to see him in true form. 👍🏻
Meant to feed his ego
@@annabelsmart5305 in his natural habitat per se
It is done on purpose.
"when you watch this interview without the sound its like the CEO of the company is scolding two of his employees for not being upto scratch"
True
That’s hilarious! It really does 🤣
I'm watching on my phone he looks like Tom Cruise telling off 2 Scientologists that haven't hit the months target
It totally does 😂😂😂😂
Travis ... it is :-)
Should not have seated Paul at the HEAD of the table.
Why not? Let him feel like he’s in control so he divulges more information. He doesn’t have cuffs on either. 🤷🏽♂️
Could seem counterintuitive, but yes it could have been set up that way on purpose to help him tap into his pure evil narcissism.
King Ugly If he's in control he will not divulge more information. It's basic logic. The feeling of control will give him more confidence to manipulate the interview. But taking into consideration that he definitely has antisocial personality disorder, therefore a great manipulator, the interview will be the same no matter in what part of the table he was placed.
@@dianamihaela8025 Well said.
@@dianamihaela8025 you really know nothing about psychology.
"Did you kill Elizabeth Bane?" "Well, that's a loaded question." Lol. Wow, this guy is something else.
Greg Durand that’s the bit that always got me haha a loaded question like wtf lol he is clever mofo I have to give him that
jase n jo jase n jo no, he’s not. That’s clearly a very suspicious answer if you didn’t do it.
well when you find out he worked withing a group of people that response makes alot more sense
jase n jo jase n jo he’s an arrogant idiot
Was this victim shot?
How she got married to her lawyer's brother and had 3 kids is sick.That man should be checked out.
10,000&.. Karla or whatever name she goes by now should’ve been locked up as long as he is. She’s is just as a disgusting human being and the fact that she’s a mother is sickening. He was trying repeatedly to tell them to polygraph her & they never did & took her word, which is deplorable…OPP failed in getting justice for the families by allowing Her to be released & have a life.
Someone should check on those children. Imagine a complete psychopath as your mother.
@@thepolitewierdowhat she did to her own sister she'll do to her own kids!...she should have never been allowed to have children!...
Bernardo is saying 'I'm in control here' and 'justify yourself to me'.
It really is that kind of vibe, isn’t it.
True but the detectives are trained to deal with deceptive people like this and just letting him ramble on
@@qwertyJ94 nah he had them agreeing with him and defending themselves. He was in control
He's batting for small victories . Because he's a psychopath he needs to feel like he has the upper hand over others at all times. Obviously he can't have the upper hand in this situation because he's been found guilty of heinous crimes - so he's weaponising petty things to keep his ego in tact.
@@tcvttcvt4305 couldn’t have been said any better!
"I made mistakes....." wee bit of an understatement.
Just a tad.
Fuck off!
😂😂 im laughing so hard
😂😂 im looking at yall as the bad guys😂 im dying laughing
As Eminem said on a track "a couple rape charges people think you're a monster". I think the inspiration for those lyrics must've came from listening to this guy.
I love how the female officer mouths to the lawyer “he’s going in circles” lool
Good catch
Time
Benjamin Elswick 11:00 I think
Benjamin Elswick wait no it’s at 17:00
Guy has a small head. He is like the runt of the litter and had to kill to feel big again. What a poor kitteh
He is commanding the room with body language by being pre occupied with outdoors. He is mocking him!
No eye contact as if he’s checked out and above this investigator
i find it extremely insane how karla got 12 years when she did the same things as him.
Hailey Roussel the judicial system is a joke when it comes to differences between make and female sentencing for the same crime.
I thought Paul also raped women before hand
She did worse than him ,she raped & killed her own full blood sister ,all his victim were strangers
He was a rapist before he met her but the deaths didn’t start till he met her. They’re both equally responsible for those unspeakable crimes. I do believe that Karla did either take the girls lives or had an equal part in them. If justice was served she’d be spending her life in prison, rather than raising CHILDREN?! Wtf?? What man would dare touch that psychopathic slag?
Her testimony really helped put Paul away. The prosecution needed that testimony. It's a horrible deal but it was almost worth it just to get him off the street. He's easily one of the most evil serial predators of our time.
He should have cleaned his room.
LOL
Hahahaha
And returned those videotapes
Uhh..it was a little more serious than cleaning his room XD
XD
Stop calling him a liar!! You’re going to ruin his reputation.
Funny how the "good guys" never say sorry for lying about him.
Lol
😅😅
Literally laughed out loud 🤣
Hahahha
Does anybody else notice at 17:24 when Paul lurches forward to place his hands on the table, the female detective jerks, recoils her hands, she doesn't want any part of her body near him.
Oh definitely!
Fear!
Oh yeah and the way he makes eye contact and nods at her like an accomplice just before he's used to women just agreeing with him obviously. He's terrifying.
@@alanmucha8318 Disgust, not fear.
@@AnnaLVajda I got the chills when he did that.
He isn't concerned about being called a liar, he is interested in deflecting the issue. Just like he did with the timeline and cell phone. Deflection is a classic manipulation to avoid answering questions directly.
yep, projection. Blame shifting and playing the victim.
Deflection is a specific strategy displayed here at length.
He’s a torturer, murderer, & rapist. But gosh darn it, he is no liar! How insulting!
Fucking crazy he got 25 years WITH CHANCE OF PAROLE!?!?!!!???!!???!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK
Does any providence in Canada have the death penalty?
@@gradetrend8138 no.
@@mikedesverknopf4681 White privilige.
@@mikedesverknopf4681it is crazy. But he will never be given parole
I’m so glad there was a vacuum cleaner running completely throughout the interview.
I almost heard the conversation
Lol! I thought it was a lawnmower outside the window. 😂
😂😂
@@shantreise9788 it's both. I can hear the lawnmower too.
Freakin Joe Dirt needs to beat it
Yeah I’m gonna have to peace out. I can’t hear what he’s saying over the rumble 🤨☹️
Gerry Spence aka Cowboy Lawyer once said : "A psychopath can sit on the witness stand and lie and appear normal. A honest person on the witness stand may get nervous and come across as a liar."
Bc they lie so frequently. Prob 15 times a day. I dated a true narracist. I was with him 2 years, realized he was bad person. I never really knew him. It was like a switch & he suddenly hated me. Dangerous man.
Who else is here from Jordan Peterson's video? :P
I am, and damn is he right about this snake in the grass
Cymric I am.
Guilty as charged :)
I love that this comment was up voted so many times ;)
What?
I love the subtlety with which the interviewers conceal their irritation.
bluelichen lol how she turns her head like she’s just looking over..
King Ugly yes he did. The sexual assault crimes he was convicted because of at the start of the video are about the rape crimes..
😏
At the end Paul Bernardo points everyone to Jordan Petterson’s video for further insight on his thinking process.
😂😂😂
😂
lol
😂 😂 yeah without Jordan we would be falling into his trap
Lmfao fucking love it!!
I was married to a sociopath for 21 years. They are manipulative, a genius at lying, conniving, controlling, threatening, he was a sex addict and a cheater big time. It's actually hard to put into words. He would do anything to stop me from leaving the marriage. When I finally did, I was fearful for my life, he would show up outside my building and pop out of the bushes or bang on my door demanding I let him in or phone and leave 14 voice messages, each one angrier and more threatening than the one before. When I spoke to police asking for a restraining order, all they asked is if he hit me and since that hadn't happened (yet) there was nothing they could do. They just said to divorce him. He tried desperately to turn my parents against me and I have no idea what he did or said to all my friends at that time but NEVER would anyone ever communicate with me again. It was a horrific time in my life. Eventually he remarried the next door neighbour who I believe he was having an affair with while we were still together. A few years after that he was arrested for molesting our daughter for approx. 8 years straight. Two years of trials he ended up walking. Eventually his marriage ended and he strayed back to his real self - a life of sex this time prostitutes, drugs and alcohol. He eventually lost everything, including contact with all of his family, lost his home, his vehicles, eventually evicted from his apartment. No one knows or even cares where he may be, or if he's even alive.
KARMA is a bitch, that's for sure.
What a sad story, DD. I’m sorry you had to live through that.
@@TheMobReporter Thanks, yes it was tough and after 27 years it still bothers me. I'm sure many have had it much worse, so I do count my blessings. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger is my motto.
Cheers.
Paul actually did the same. He would go down to Dorothy Homolka's workplace demanding for Karla''s whereabouts after she finally left him after he beat the crap out of her with a flashlight
@@AP-eh6gr Those memories will haunt me forever. Even thou I've moved far away and hopefully under the radar, I'm always worried about his "revenge". Me leaving him apparently ruined his life. I say I ruined his "gig" of sexual molestation (among other things) and easy living. He actually retired at 45 while I worked to pay the bills. He was and no doubt still is playing the victim, but only to dupe his prey and victimize others. So glad my family finally understands what I had to endure - believe me, they fell under his spell of lies and deception for quite some time. Psychopaths are amazingly good at putting on a façade and fooling just about everyone around them. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't beaten however I once was hogtied and had a rifle in my mouth being accused of having an affair. Seriously? These sort of people accuse others of the very things they are guilty of. Sorry to rant.... just all this brings back so many memories. One last word, is he ruined my / our daughters life. She will never be whole again and has many health issues mentally and physically. I can only hope there is that really hot seat in hell waiting for him.
I still think that Karla freak should be in jail too.
I dont think theres a Canadian who was around during that time who thinks differently
Definitely
Yes. She's fucking demented as fuck. She and him, both laughed in the audio while the victim begs for their life and mock them and shit.
Aundrea yup she’s just as guilty
She changed her name to Leanne Teale. I don't understand he said his name was Teale.
It's like he's playing a character in a movie. He doesn't break
He's way too comfortable.
He should be scared sh-tless of the consequences of not coming clean.
@@texasray5237 he's a sociopath that's why he acts like this
Well, yes and no. Pavlov's dog are dogs and that fact determines their basic instinctive behavior. But put those dogs in Skinner's escape box and give them a few electric shocks and they'll quickly learn to suppress their instincts and behave differently. Paul Bernardo needs a good shock every time he gets cocky. It wouldn't take him long at all to lose the attitude. It wouldn't have to be physical. Just take away one of the little pleasures he may have and don't restore it until he learns to behave.
@@texasray5237 Have you ever seen or read Clockwork Orange? Your ideas are reminiscent of its synopsis.
He plays that character 24/7
He completely hijacks the conversation within the first 3 minutes
Crazy social manipulator
The_djs ,,, yep, he's in charge, smug piece of shit
Got the interrogator being defensive in minutes. It's supposed to be the other way around.
Can’t knock him for that tho, could’ve helped out a lot in business but he went a different route...
@@fredpierce9610 Lol!
Word salad
I live in St.Catharines. I went to the same high school as Kristen French years after she was murdered. Her mom would give a seminar every year. Him and Karla were sick people, and the fact she's free is a disgrace.
So you have some personal intimate knowledge of this
I understand the parents of Kristen were family friends of the family of the Legendary drummer for Rushs Neil Peart. It is rumored that the murdered girl he wrote about in the song Nobody’s Hero in the second verse was her. I’m am a big fan of the band and the song hits hard and is very touching to me when I listen to it.
My wife and I followed this story and its documentary. It’s just so horrible what this animal did. There is a hot place for those like him in the afterlife. They both will get eternal punishment for their crimes.
I like how everyone’s an expert AFTER the story and various detailed evaluations have been revealed
Right they’d be lost and believe his every word had they watched this brand new by themselves.
What? He's talking in circles about fuck and all.
Kert Cardenas....and who are you ? Columbo ?
@@weemaggiejiggs8832 if you paid attention in grade school, you could read…..
@@TH-camkert If you had paid attention in Grade school, you would know the word is "paid" and not "payed".
Here from Bailey’s video.
Same XD
Me too!
Me too!
Same
Same
"Did you kill Elizabeth Bane on June 19th 1990?"
"Well, it's a loaded question...."
Slippery as a greased up snake.
Lots of people are like that, not only him and not only men, women too, non psychopaths are like that too, so ya.
ExMachina70 ,,, he's trying to control the room, every question. He's a smug piece of shit.
Imagine how he was during the trial
Narcissists always have a moral compass for others, while they themselves do anything they want.
I hate that Karla isn't rotting in prison, but the silver lining is that it obviously eats him up that she got away with it when he didn't.
It's like having a conversation with my business partner...deflection after deflection, blame game, the conversation goes nowhere but circles.
Well what happened
d.j Harden lmao
Live Stocker You need to get out x
Business partner=narcissistic psychopath+machiavellian
"deflection after deflection, blame game, the conversation goes nowhere but circles"...is your business partner of a certain political persuasion?
Typical narcissist, trying to deflect the entire interview with the nonsense about someone calling him a liar, continuously trying to keep that the topic of the discussion no matter how many times the constables say that they can't speak to that. That is CLASSIC narcissist behavior.
Melissa Garrett Yes, classic distraction tactics.
@@SteffiNovaASMR_Replays The point is that it's not a distraction tactic, it's what he's genuinely thinking.
@@QuasiELVIS its totally a tactic, he's aware its recorded, he;s not allowing them to take momentum of the conversation
@@burgurs I guarantee he talks like that all the time, camera or no camera. It's not a tactic, he's just an annoying douchebag.
@@QuasiELVIS you can't guarantee anything. You're wrong now admit it.
NEVER LET THIS GOOF OUT....
He is so creepy. Even his eyes from a distance are so unsettling. And even his anger in his gestures and tone. What an unstable and horrible person.
Ok Pennywise. Ok.
Dude, you prey, scare and kill kids dressing like a clown, eat them and keep them forever in the dead lights. You even take long naps (27 years, nice) when you’re full. Bernardo’s an injured puppy compared to that. Good movie, though 👍
he’s an artist. master of manipulation
He is not unstable
@@Mark_Tschetterall narcissists are unstable. It’s an emotional disorder.
What sticks out to me the most is he has no problem with them calling him a sexually predatory and cold blooded murderer but don't you dare call him a liar. Wow!
ya but he wasn't he was a murderer credits do where credit is do
“I sexually assaulted people...YES...but I´ll be DAMNED if you´re gonna paint me as a liar. That´s really immoral of you guys!”
I’m a HUMAN BEING!!! 🙄
He's the victim in his mind that's why. He needed sex no big deal he's thinking probably.
@Makise Kurisu Well, I would suggest stop lying and be honest, or you'll learn to become a liar without realizing it.
To anybody who has no idea what's happening nor any idea what a psychopath is, he might've just sounded like a normal and relaxed person. It's insane how he makes the investigator take the blame for being 'irresponsible' and how he sounds so 'normal'.
Relaxed? Hes everything but relaxed.
Yes, insane is the word.
I like how control freaks can never seem to understand the speaker, even though they're speaking clearly.
Putting everyone on the defensive to be in complete control of the conversation. Not a liar? He is nothing but.
He is very narcissistic and he wasted the police officers time. You can tell he is not remorseful and very uncooperative. I believe he only agree to the interview to kill his boredom.
of course he's not remorseful, he's a psychopath. i admire the self control and restraint the officers showed though, i couldn't have lasted 2 minutes without mocking and insulting that piece of shit.
"wasted the police officers time"
They invited him there, they specifically say he's there voluntarily, you're an idiot if you expect him to throw his neck under the axe. Let me know if you "waste poice officers time" if you're ever questioned by police. Thats what police do, waste time! OTHER PEOPLES TIME ! AND MONEY!
"Sometimes" they protect people, half of that ime its by being malicously narcissistic twords a legalized target.
iseeicyicetea, he would likely enjoy that.
What he wouldn't enjoy would be to be seen as irrelevant and ridiculous, that would probably make him very angry.
Alekk Wolf, what do you mean?
Yes, often times leaving a conversation we think "oh I should have said this or that"... If you stay rational and keep the emotions under control you will likely have better responses.
But do you mean that when someone is making you angry that you should read his sentence in your head before we respond/react?
Clarence Muise Well he knows he isn’t ever getting out, he’s stuck in prison until the day he dies so he knows trying to show/act remorseful now isn’t gonna get him anywhere he obviously isn’t sorry so he isn’t gonna pretend that he is to help him get out of there bc that isn’t ever gonna happen
"Did you kill this woman?" "That's a loaded question." LOL
lol
that's what I thought
😂😂😂
Which is basically him saying "Yes. Yes i did, but i had my reasons."
I think he’s just playing games. He knows that if he’s locked up forever so its his way of holding some make believe power over detectives because it’s all he has left lol
“I’m a human being “ so were those girls Paul.
He's an inhumane sub human
He said he made mistakes a lot of years ago... MISTAKES? Being late to work is a mistake, Abducting beating and killing three young girls is not a mistake... And he also probably killed Elizabeth Bain.
Bernardo is a loathsome monster and should be left to rot in prison, but on one point I sympathize with him : his resentment of the fact that that sadistic gorgon of a wife, Karla Homolka, was let off the hook, still reeking with the blood of three women, including her own sister, to marry, have children and live something like a normal life, while he was buried alive in prison (as he deserved). That was a miscarriage of justice so bad as to drive somebody even as contemptible, stone-hearted and repulsive as Paul Bernardo to absolute distraction.
+William S. I agree. Justice was not served pertaining to her. I don't feel that they needed to make any kind of deal with her to prosecute Paul as they already had the DNA evidence which placed him at the crime scene. What the hell were they thinking? It's called the "vagina defense". She was just as guilty and now she is protected under the law with a different name, married with children and living as if nothing happened. That is NOT justice.
+William S. I agree. She should have scored equal jail time. I cannot abide women who collude with such repulsive expressions of rank misogyny; who betray other women so cruelly. I don't view them as victims. I think the prosecutors needed her testimony, which is why she walked. This is the problem I have with deals / immunity. Prosecutors would probably argue that they sometimes have to do deals with the devil. She's as evil as he is. I saw a clip of her smiling in a clip showing their torture of a woman. She will one day have to explain her crimes and her complicity to her daughters. She'll need a shit load of luck for that one. I can only hope she gets hers in the next life.
+Wayne Johnson Don't agree with the "vagina defense". I've seen many instances in which men either aided in the covering up of extremely serious crimes; or who were actively complicit in its execution, either walk or get off with probation because the police needed their testimony against the instigator of the crime. I just watched an episode of 'Homicide Hunter' in which a man killed a young woman in what was clearly a sexually motiavated attack and was sentenced to six years. He was out in three.
There was classic victim blaming going on throughout his defence, because the victim was and I quote, "annoying". There are instances involving less serious offences: debt, robberies, some degrees of assault, where women avoid jail. Typically this is because they tend to be the main carers of their children and the courts don't want to punish the kids as well as the mothers. Whether in some instances the kids would in fact be better off without their mothers is debatable - but the word "care" relating to such facilities is often an oxymoron in my experience.
In this case they needed Homolka's testimony. That she walked is a moral outrage and she should never experience a moment's peace in her lifetime. She will have done because clearly she's a perverted, psychopathic, inherently selfish bastard herself who is incapable of feeling guilt. But the deal apparently had to be done in this instance to get Bernardo whom it can't be denied was probably the greater danger to society as the _instigator_ of the crimes. One can only hope that there will be some sort of divine retribution for Homolka in the next life. If there's any such thing...
aerialkate While I agree somewhat with what you wrote, I still feel they had enough DNA evidence for a conviction against him. Since she was the one who brought the case against him in the first place, why wouldn't she have provided them with what they needed anyway? I don't understand that.
+Wayne Johnson Sweetheart deal. Well that's what I call it. She is a manipulating cow, and she wears the pants in her new marriage. She got the deal on the basis, she didn't lie. She lied, but they said they needed her to put him behind bar's. Eh? U found the tapes! I detest these 2 fuckers!!
the detective was superb,very calm and to the point,and how he didnt reach over and choke this jerk out is beyond me.
With self control like that, chances are you'll end up opposite to him. *Objectivity* is key in life.
He looks at the woman like he's trying to win her over but she doesn't buy into it
Jason Paul Jones yeah it seems like he’s used to being able to appeal to women by using false bravado and smiling, but clearly she deals with men like this and sees through his manipulative tactics.
@@seanbullock5760 I wouldn't say so. She almost started apology at the begining. Not interested in him, but still I wouldn't say she see through him.
Gorszkof Gorszkof she grabs her paper at one point and gestures to her colleague that he’s talking in circles and is often hiding laughter from his ridiculousness
He probably is used to manipulating woman more often than men. Mainly as in the girlfriends he had throughout his life. He also probably feels she isn’t as intelligent as the male detective because he’s a sociopath and believes he’s way smarter than he is. If this was before the times of DNA, cameras, technology and all the other advancements in law enforcements abilities he might’ve walked free or never been caught.
@@yearight7956 This is true bc he was interrogated 2 yrs before the streets and he sweet talked them.
It’s so bizarre that he seems upset that they don’t believe him about being guilty of doing past crimes. Part of it might be not liking being called a liar but I think a big part of it is he wants to claim those crimes because he’s proud of them. He’s a very sick person and so is Karla. she should never have been let out.
"Made mistakes" 17 years ago? He is completely revolting.
Honestly! As if it was nothing
"I'm a child rapist and murderer, but DON'T CALL ME A LIAR!!!!"
"Enough manipulation" guys a legend at this.
This is a study in Narcissistic Posturing. Inside, there must be a very broken, terrified little boy!
I agree.
He carries himself like he's their boss lol
@JokerCirca66 What made you think they're his lawyers? The guy on the right is a detective and they're questioning him.
@JokerCirca66 the guy questioning him is a detective. The girl announced who she was with but I couldn't hear it. Probably works for the state.
@@carllazarraga2858 she said shes a constable
Thank u mister Peterson
That's the media coverage and his stupid ass "fans" gassing him up. Egotistical.
This rings so true. He is more concerned about being perceived as 'crazy' and a 'liar' than for the heinous acts he committed. I was in a very brief relationship with a covert narcissist - bordering on sociopath - and he would lie so often it became his truth and he would go into huge fits of rage when anyone called him out on it.
I remember this all to well. Every time I called him a liar he went into fuss of rage very scary but I’m so glad I escaped the situation. It’s quite sad they have no remorse and continually deflect
That's what they do!!! Red flag, run!
Karla should be in jail
now she's married and has 3 childrens.. the justice is not with the victims.
Because making everything illegal and putting a lot of people in prison (unless you're wealthy) has made the US crime free. It's also a good idea to maliciously ruin anybody's life who commits a crime no matter how petty (unless you're rich or some other member of the oligarchy).
Anna Kcmb yep and instead she is allowed to have a family its disgusting
Forget jail. She belongs on death row.
idiotic, must be the canadian "education". Prison is about restitution/punishment/protection it has nothing to do with origin/prevention of crime. You want to stop crime from happening you must figure out the source. Prison is to make sure these sick fucks never see the light of day so that your child doesnt get raped+murdered because lord knows they would do it again given a second chance. Nothing to do with rich/poor or even oligarchy but hey when someone rapes and murders your kid dont worry you can let them stay at your house instead of going to prison so they learn their lesson
"Made some mistakes, 17 yrs ago..."
Mistakes that are regarded as some of the most heinous crimes, in Canadian history.
Lady's and gentlemen, this is absolutely the perfect example of a sociopath. Anybody who is studying psychology or criminology should watch this video
I would argue that he's a Psychopath not a Sociopath.
Ok, let's hear it@@natedawg3855
@@natedawg3855
Same difference so quit nitpicking
“Did you kill (so and so)?”
“That’s a loaded question.”
Not really, no 😂
It is, because they're expecting him to prove a negative, which is impossible. THEY have to bring the proof of the affirmative position.
Jordan petererson brought me here.
Congratulations. You must be very proud.
So? Would you like a biscuit?
If I were the cop, I'd have shown him how unimportant he was by sending him back to his cell after 60 seconds.
The tactics employed by the police are very subtle, they are constantly allowing him to reveal his psychopathic nature. He thinks he’s getting away with it but any decent psychologist or psychiatrist will see straight through those games being played.
It is astonishing how the little scrote deflects, avoids, changes the focus to anything to do with what the detectives want to talk about - and Very impressive how the detective lets him have his say, tire himself out and then come back to the point needing to be addressed....... First class police work, and Very Impressive.
I’ve found that when dealing with narcissists they need to be given hours of your time just to state all of their case, from every angle, dominating the conversation totally and butting in at every opportunity, thus saying what they’ve got to say is important and your words are worthless.
Does it really take a genius to know that he's bullshitting? C'mon now.
I agree.
In fact he exposes himself as the narcissistic psychopath he is.
He thinks he's putting them in their place.
But he's just burying himself in more and more of his own poop and destroying any trace of credibility he might still have.
Texas Ray They all think they’re always the smartest person in the room but it doesn’t take a genius to see right through them.
"He thinks he’s getting away with it but any decent psychologist or psychiatrist will see straight through those games being played. "
That's pretty irrelevant from a legal point of view. If there's no evidence and you don't admit to something it doesn't matter what they think.
What did I miss? What did the police achieve here during this episode of "First Class Police Work"? With regard to the questions he appeared (and the sound wasn't great so maybe I missed something?) absolutely nothing of significance. It was just an arena for him to gripe about getting called a liar and Karla.
I'm watching this like I'm some specialist in body language and expert in psychopaths after watching Jordan Peterson for half an hour.
You're just viewing life from a different perspective
I thnk 1 million views are from people who came from JPeterson's video lol. Let's study this guy together mate 😂😂
Which Jordan Peterson video was it?
@@mag6521 psychopathic males
Pedro Hauari thank you!
Guys, I love free speech and I understand this video creates strong emotions, but please try to keep your heads screwed on right and not be abusive.
Valya Vosovic Hah, no, I meant to each other!
Ryan Reed because of the tapes they found .
MC Grammar She was involved in the abductions and certainly after the first one, she knew what was going to happen to the second girl. Read lethal marriage if you want to know what those two were like. But, I feel she would not have been violent and I don't really think she was violent, but morally bankrupt she was. He doesn't even care. He is a very violent psychopath.
MC Grammar cause the autorathis when see tapes reconise that as bad deal, for them as obvius that she have same participation in the crimes and as not the victem as they soposed too
***** I can't even believe you're an adult; because you are one dumb fuck.
Karla should never got out of jail at all
He doesn't mind being called a rapist or a murderer but don't call him a liar, no, don't do that. His focus is so far off. It shows just how nuts he is.
M DP credibility is a huge thing in Canada. Its focused on heavily in all their interrogations.
I enjoyed the mowing in the background.
Me toob
👁👁 🤣😂😅 🇬🇧
Mowing with a touch of edge strimming if I’m not mistaken. Nice!
@@leejackson9941 haha! It's like a similar interiew (most recent ) with Chris Watts, and it's like they put the mic inside a wood chipper
First impression: extremely wired and distracted. He reminds me of Ted Bundy and the way he spoke. Extremely manipulative and arrogant, seems to think he can out-talk or out-smart whoever he's dealing with. On the contrary-this isn't boring. It's really interesting to get a glimpse of this person's psyche.
+melanie brandt VERY much like Bundy. WOW.
+melanie brandt YES. I don't get how anybody finds this boring.
+melanie brandt Exactly. He seems to think he's the smartest person in the room, and he's going to prove it by his brilliant rhetoric and volume of words.
He does think there all stupid. He has newspaper cutouts, taking the piss out of the Green Ribbon Task Force in his cell.
It's boring if you've been around enough sociopaths to immediately recognize their immature, manipulative behavior.
The dynamic is so strange in this interview.
Why?
The interviewers thought „you are laughing now and we will laugh afterwards when we enjoy the bright daylight laughing at Paul Bernardo who secured life without parole with his narcisstic and remorseless behaviour in the interview.“
I agree.
17:00, lady on the left amused that he continues to speak in circles
Hahaha thanks, was reading the comments and totally missed that. Even funnier that it was his lawyer she was saying that to 😂
It’s pretty amazing how Psychopaths never break character despite hours and hours of attrition put forth by the detectives.
Wrong: A psychopath can be broken. It has everything to do with the approach one takes.
@@segagenesis1989 lol ok TH-cam sega genesis kid
@@chrishandsome4267 I think you're diapers need changing.
@@segagenesis1989 I don't think you addressed the main claim
@@boiboi7717 What claim is that? The fact that Paul Bernardo does not "break character" during questioning? Look, the original poster is wrong in that assessment. From Bernardo's point of view, he has nothing to gain by answering the investigator's questions. He's sitting in prison with a life sentence while his co-conspirator basically got a lenient sentence and was released from prison. Bernardo eludes to the fact the fact that the investigators are not offering him anything so he has no reason to cooperate. He clearly states this in the interview.
27.55 he laughs briefly, incongruent to the situation, then the laugh disappears. Contempt.
He's obsessed with being called a liar. This blame shifting is a common trait of psychopathy.
It's like he got goosebumps listening to the recorded voice. Then he laughed to try and play it off like it was something funny, but when he saw no one was looking at him, he stopped pretending.
I saw it too
The head toss up
The scoff
The memory came up immediately but he threw it away
He feels uncomfortable and not in control
Well maybe he thinked about something funny but it was strange with his head
@@M109_KAWEST Uncomfortable? They're incapable of that.
Terrifying to think as a teenage girl I met Paul Bernardo. He was at a pub in Waterloo Ontario with a friend and I was underage at the bar. What a creep.
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Why were you at the bar underage?
@@pandaketamine Its what girls do. Was a university city. Drinking age is 19 but we were going before that.
@@fauna3989 guys like this walk around us everyday
How u know it was him?
Listening to him is suffocating
Joe Hollow there’s so many points where you want to interject, but he just keeps going in circles
Not really. I view it objectively.
Atleast he speaks loud and clear, unlike Pan
He talks a lot and says nothing..
From a psychological perspective I'm fascinated by people like Paul Bernardo. No conscience. No empathy. No remorse. Are we evan still human if we are absent of these emotions?
Is a sleeping human, or a human in a coma, still a human?
@@jacobshirley3457 i like this response. However, I too am fascinated with narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths. Their thought process when doing what they do
Most definitely still human, an outlier for sure but really not all that extreme. There are far more individuals with different physical deformities/psychological impairments out there and even then I’d say the general consensus is to view them as humans too.
Yes, he’s still human.. he just made evil choices so many times that he no longer has remorse or a guilty conscious.
@@daniellemichayla He seems like the type of person who wouldn't have felt remorse/guilt after the first time.
This reminds me of my ex narcissist husband. His favorite statement was, "if I've lied to you about this then I've lied about everything ". You can't reason with this kind.
A raping murdering maniac reminds you of your ex husband ?
Not only is he a rapist and a murderer, he's fucking annoying.... I wonder is he like this with the other inmates. He probably no better.
@@gregorycampbell7921The narcissist's narrative always the same, be they a criminal or not.
@@gregorycampbell7921every heard of making a mistake? Oh wait I forgot you’re completely perfect aren’t you
UPDATE: July 3, 2015, Paul Bernardo has applied for day parole. News of his application to the Parole Board of Canada in Toronto has shaken the families of his victims, even though they knew that one day they would face the prospect. Lawyer for the family assures them that Bernardo will never walk free. Story: natpo.st/1LI2gV0
Thanks for keeping us updated
You're welcome.
***** Hope they NEVER release him.
+The Mob Reporter Thanks for posting this and the info re his name change. I'm certain he'll never walk free.
If they let him out believe me....he'll be killed by someone....the whole country hates this bag of human waste.
He should have been a salesman or a politician.
you ill be surprised how many politicians are pyschopaths
vendetacos *sociopaths
0 haha ye sociopaths, but why not psychopaths? They are so wealthy, they could kill or do horrible acts with a few of their connections and some $$. For example Einstein’s sex circle thing... power gives them choices
@@alexiscancun1619 exactly
I wonder what his job was. Psychos are often CEOS lawyers etc. I don't think he was that prestigious though. Not all psychos are violent either.
8:49 “I’m not telling the truth and you’re calling me a liar” LMAO
"Sure, I made mistakes. I raped... murdered... Hell, I even smuggled cigarettes. But damned if anyone calls me a liar."
When he says he is a human being.... the lie detector test determined that was a lie
No. He is a human being. I know it's more comfortable to distance yourself from the psychology of a person such as Bernado by denying you share the same species, but he's as human as you or I. And there'll be people in your life - perhaps people you love - whose mentality is built with the same firmware.
Lie detectors dont detect lies. They detect high emotion, which could mean any number of things.
@@Eat-MyGoal issa joke
Kristy Bryant psychopaths and sociopaths are actually immune to lie detectors because they never feel nervous.
@@Eat-MyGoal r/wooosh
Whoever thought to sit him at the end of the table like the head of a family is a clever guy,it's not an accident and it's to do with how he likes to be in control and feel powerful ,at least he admitted to the crime that an innocent guy was convicted of to get him freed,think how many guys are in jail who have been wrongly convicted but the real convict just thinks who cares!
Tom Watson probably very planned that this was done in a room with a window. You can see him glancing over. The illusion that helping might assist release.
What?
A lot of times those people that were falsely convicted were not very good people to begin with. They were still criminals and still put themselves in positions where law enforcement would be suspicious of them. They just didn't commit murder. They are villains, not monsters, but being a villain is putting yourself out there where you can be falsely accused.
A lot of know it all armchair quarterbacks here. If the majority didn't know his background most would have fallen victim to his manipulation.
riff raff definitely a lot of us girls (I’m on my mans profile) if we met him in a pub would have thought him intelligent charming etc it’s all very well to say this and that after the fact!
Honestly? Pretty boys were never my type so I can honestly say I wouldn't had been interested
@@ohwell94 He's more like a pretty girl😂😂😂 he doesn't even look as a grown man.
Exactly! I also can’t stand ppl who think they are experts on body language it’s like stfu
I want to smack him.
I couldn’t help but get distracted for the whole interview by how much that table looks like a surfboard - That’s just me, I guess.
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A real life, Canadian Patrick Bateman
Although Patrick has a slightly better haircut.
Bernardo would love that you compared him to Bateman.
Paul Bernardo is a textbook narcissistic psychopath, the guy has all the sincerity and moral compass of an inanimate object... When you listen to him talk everything is about him, and he loves it, he loves the attention and always trys to portray himself in a positive manner and almost has a competition to be more eloquent and intelligent than his interviewers. Pretty interesting to watch from a psychological point of view...
i did not sense a moment of sincerity at all. This sounds like what describes manchester united fans tbf.
Ayesha 13 get out now
I would really like to see a psychologist analysis of this interview.
Jordan Peterson talks about him some
@Tom Collins the best way to respond to guys like this is to laugh in their face.
Except most psychologists dont specialize in this stuff, and the ones yhat do, mostly still dont know what the hell they are talking about.
Brutally rapes and murders several people and he's worried about looking like a liar? Wow
Hello 240p my old friend
I've come to watch you once again
And the picture is so blurry
Must've been made in a hurry
Matti Kauppinen Love it
And the subject
He is no less than insane
In the brain
@@djgrab1 within the sound, of lying
Yet the image that it painted in my head
Can still be read
Forensic Files on TH-cam
Through sleepless nights I sit alone
though I am weary to the bone
My bed is calling only feet away
I've seen this clip before but still I stay
For my mind is blinded by the crime shows that I've seen
here on my screen
Forensic files on TH-cam
@@texasray5237 😂
This guy is pure evil. He’s so calm and collected and straight to the point that he’s very believable. The most disturbing interview I’ve watched to be sure
He doesn't get to the point at all. He babbles on about shit constantly.
@@QuasiELVIS yea definitely never gets to the point
He’s deflecting…trying to steer the conversation away from the initial intent
@@QuasiELVIS because he manipulated you. 😂
Word salad! True psychopathic narcissist to the T!
Incredible. He is completely incapable of not trying to dominate an interaction. He also utterly lacks a sense of proportion "look, never mind the raping and killing I did in the past (wtf lol); from my position here, you guys are the bad guys for making me look alike a liar on TV".
Also, like most of these inadequate personality, serial killer-types, he is even now trying to insert himself into the investigation. no matter what the inteviewers say, he keeps bringing it back to trying to extract information from them about what Karla might have said - he doesn't believe them when they say they don't know. Why doesn't he believe them? Because, as a psychopathic killer, he knows that he would lie convincingly to the end of days and suspects the same of other people - even if it isn't actually true.
LOL "see what happens when you lock a guy up for 15 years" please do not fool yourself into thinking this monster would EVER be ready for parole. Even now, he is incapable of accepting responsibility for his crimes. He raped and killed multiple women, but refers to them as 'mistakes' and then not-so-subliminally chastises the State for putting him behind bars. And worries about his reputation as a liar. This creature is only human in appearance; he really is just a psychosexual-biological killing machine.
+Tomi Adewole Wow, well stated! And I agree with you 100%!
+Tomi Adewole Canada needs much stricter laws/sentencing prison length penalties. The norm for a murder conviction in Canada is 25 years max, and in many European countries.
In the U.S, people get fucking life in prison for selling drugs, bank robbery and a lot less petty shit than murder. I know a guy who did 16 years for pulling a knife out on someone, he never had a record before this either. He had just turned 18 and by the time he gets out he'll be 34, if he does all 16 years, sometimes you get out a little early. So now there's a kid thrown out of prison at 34 years old, without any knowledge of the world and how to get work, no college degree, no work experience, felony on his record, and is now somehow expected to survive on his own, find work that actually pays decent, and make something of himself. And that is why a LOT of people end up re-offending, violating parole, committing crimes to make money.
Now, there are a VERY SELECT FEW prisons with rehabilitation programs available to prisoners. But you better be lucky to get into one of them because they are few and far between. Most prisons all you can do to spend time is work out, read, learn how to be a better criminal from the more experienced inmates, sleep, waste time by playing games or playing cards (if you ever find yourself in prison BTW, don't ever get into gambling and NEVER accept any favors from ANYONE, because you will have to be a slave to them until THEY feel the debt is paid off). Most prisons just are there to keep you there to rot away, and sadly the majority could care less about rehab or they simply don't have the funds to have such things. Which is bullshit, because if they spent the time to rehab prisoners and taught them skills and trades on the inside, they can use them to get fucking jobs once they get out...THUS, saving tax payers more money in the future if the prisoner re-offends because he has no job experience.
That's the thing with the U.S though, every state is different and has dif. laws. Some states are way too lenient on criminals and give them chance after chance and the sentences are a joke , while others throw the book at you with the maximum sentence even if it's your first time in the system. Meh.
+Georgie2500 In Canada life mean just that. Its only a minimum 25 yrs before becoming eligable to "apply" for consideration for parole. Off the top of my head I cant think of any serial rapist/murderers ever being granted parole in Canada
Well put! You pointed out his ploys to manipulate our perception of him.
Super Sonic
He's actually upset about the 2 people in the room portraying him as, or thinking him, a liar.
This tape was never intended for public consumption, it was simply a taped interview from evidence gathering in the Shaw murder on the 402 in Canada that has yet to be solved that somehow leaked to the media (Reportedly by way of a private investigator hired by someone involved with the Shaw family.).
The only audience this tape was intended for was the detectives working that case, namely the two cops in the room with him, and he's such a narcissist he was worried what they think about him.
What kind of interrogators put the suspect at the head of the table in a conference room like he's the CEO? TBH, almost anyone would have assumed control in his position. They already screwed up as soon as they sat down.
And OMG, why are the detectives defending themselves? They just need to ask the questions and let the suspect talk as much as he likes without prompting obligatory responses. The incompetence here is like nothing I've ever seen before.
Edit: OK, I'm rewatching this, and they did state at the beginning that this was a "potential witness" interview, not a suspect interrogation. Still, this all seems wrong compared to the usual protocol. They made him feel way too comfortable, and not in a tactical way.
No they did that on purpose so he would talk a lot