I’m not mad at Ross or Shapiro for missing out on free agents because of the recruiting process or the pursuits, I’m mad because it’s pretty negligent to expect to recruit players when your franchise player is unsigned. No free agent sees what they’ve done the last couple seasons and sees any direction.
I would waaaaayyyy rather have Santander than Alex Bregman. I realize that Bregman has a higher projected WAR but we need a legit cleanup hitter. Totally agree.
Being a Canadian sports fan is tough right now. For the most part, every teams management is a trainwreck, we aren’t producing home grown talent that’s elite, and to top it off tax is making many players not want to come here. Canada is truly becoming one of the most depressing companies to be a fan of competitive sporting events.
@@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigiI fully support the jays management being let go. They have proven long enough they are over their heads. They should be fired all of them. Now as for Raptors, Masai is great and has done a lot with what he has had. He has drafted well and they are on the bubble of being a great team. He has proven he can make the right moves when needed. I believe in Masai and he needs a few more trades/picks before I am willing to even consider thinking about questioning him. He is a World Champion. As for the Leafs not a fan but I have always been disappointed in the leafs. Since Potvin, Gilmour and Clark the leafs have been mediocre they are way too top heavy but maybe if the cap keeps going up they stand a chance. Patience may pay off in the end if the cap rises those contracts won’t look so bad. Fire Jays Managment/ Patience and trust in Masai/ Leafs hope and pray things can fall just right. NHL is also most competitive league top to bottom.
@@Firul4is Teo and Lourdes were traded for a reason. Lack of consistent hustle and the whole lack of maturity laughing group which some of older players became pissed with.
The tax issue is a convenient excuse. California has the highest income tax rate in the U.S. The Blue Jays were used as leverage against the Giants. When the Giants didn't bite, Burnes took the convenient way out by signing with the Diamondbacks. The real issue is the Blue Jays are going no where fast. Everyone knew Toronto would not be a desirable location if Vlad Jr wasn't extended. The first course of action after the World Series should have been extending Vlad Jr but instead Blue Jays management waited until after Juan Soto was signed. I don't blame any free agent for NOT signing with Toronto. The only reason any free agent signs with Toronto now is they offered the most money. They don't care about winning.
Burnes is from California, and wanted to play for a team that's somewhat close to home. This was the first time in his career where he could choose where he wanted to play.
This team has so many holes from the farm system up to the big leagues, but their biggest hole is probably at GM... This team is in a dire situation with their 2 best young players becoming free agents likely to walk... Atkins and Shapiro have no one to blame but themselves for how terrible things have gotten, but Rogers is a close 2nd for continuing to place their trust in them.
Since April 7, 1977 here. Aka day 1 and I was at that game. So I experienced all the growing pains of expansion. So mediocrity was more or less expected for the first 5 years, but at least by the early 80’s there was light at the end of that short tunnel with Tony Fernandez and the beginning of the pipeline of players they would get/scout from San Pedro de Macoris in in the DR. There currently appears to be no hope or direction. So we are in agreement.
@midnightrambler7716 I'm a day one fan as well. I was going to the first game with my dad, but didn't because I was sick, 9 years old. My first game was June that year. Anyway, even in the first few years the Jays weren't this bad.
That Canada Tax thing is just an excuse.. US MLB players can apply for Treaty Relief. US has a tax treaty with Canada. Players can apply as non-residency and under that Tax treaty can avoid paying Canadian tax for on their income… so Canada tax is just an excuse.. the truth is players won’t sign with the Jays because of the Front Office and the fact there’s no direction for their future
Blow it up and be sin eaters for 2024. Trade for players like Chris Taylor, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger, Steve Matz, Jordan Montgomery, Christian Vazquez, Starling Marte, Robbie Ray, Miles Mikolas and Ryan Pressly at reduced contracts and prospects. Gobble up 1 year bad contracts. Add 5 to 10 prospects to the top 10 to 15. Flip whichever of those guys you can at the deadline and officially start the rebuild.
Taxes have nothing to do with it. There are all kinds of ways to get around them. We are no different than California and New York. I think the no opt out was a real deal breaker. Don’t forget he lives in Arizona as well.
@@Dulcimerist now come the Montgomery to Toronto rumours. I wouldn't put it past Atkins to look at Lourdes as well. Jays can't ask for much, but adding Lourdes to a deal may be enough to entice the Jays to take all the money on Monty. Lourdes would appease some fans and has an opt out after 2025 and team option for 2026, so he's manageable. It's not the ideal move IMO and I wouldn't be eager to pull the trigger, but maybe it's something I can see the FO doing that fills two holes if the market keeps rejecting them. If FAs won't take the money, maybe Arizona will take the relief.
He has a home in Arizona already. It’s not like the Blue Jays could just match that offer and get him. They probably would’ve had to outbid it by 50 million. Spring training is in Arizona too so he gets to stay in his own home now year around
Honestly, the press conference where Atkins tries to explain how this team can be expected to compete with zero major additions would probably be infinitely more entertaining than actually succeeding in landing a significant free agent.
Ernie Clement could be a 3WAR player at 3B next year. So why would we pay Bregman 30M per year to be a 4WAR player at 3B next year and then start a decline 2 years from now. Makes no sense
One reason is Rogers cheque book which would take a huge hit if they started a rebuild right now with neither Vladdy or Bo signed long term. Plus the half a billion dollar renovations Rogers just sunk into the Rogers Centre. The last thing ownership wants to do right now is start a rebuild. Even if it is the smartest thing to do right now
To rebuild you need a good management team that can draft well, develop players well and do good trades. The current management is incapable of all of those things.
U can blame the front office for not doing a vlad extension 2 years ago. Which would help attract FA. U can blame them for getting rid of teo and all our catcher prospects and depleting our farm system doesn't help with trades or attracting anyone. U can blame them for going from scoring runs to run prevention and we can't score runs. U can blame them for now bringing in a big bat the last off season and signing aging declining vets like kk or Turner or terrible springer contract. What else I'm sure there is more fact is this front of is not capable of getting anything done.
At this point, they could offer Vlad a contract starting with a 6 and he would most likely reject it. There's no possible way of keeping him when FA is within his grasp.
Remember back when the Jay were runners up for the top 3rd baseman on the free agent market? Pablo Sandoval signed with the red sox.. AA went and made a trade for Donaldson we need to look to the trade market..
I agree but the problem is, the Jays would have to be gutted. No minor leaguers of interest, and aside from Vlad and Bo, the Jays are basically an AAAA team
Whether if the team is close to rebuild or not, the fact that the money is not talking for free agents is scary. What GM can overcome that? How does a team function when the development is slow and players won't sign.
Also agents no longer look at contracts the way we do. They look at contracts based on what the player will get after taxes. And Toronto has a much higher tax rate than Arizona
Yes, and it's not just income taxes. It's provincial sales taxes, federal goods and services services taxes, and way more socialist type regulations in Canada which infringe on personal freedoms compared to the United States as a whole. Baseball players and their agents must consider these factors. I mean, they're not two dimensional thinkers, as if salary is the only thing that matters.
@@johndurrer7869 That is a lame excuse. The US Taxes as just as bad. California and New York are two of the worst. He actually lives in Arizona so I’m sure that came into play. Your comments are more political than sports related.
@@johndurrer7869 No offense taken. Your comment is spot on. Some people don't realize, but professional sports are political unfortunately. And elite athletes are essentially pawns in the bigger game. They get abused at a totally different level than most of us can imagine.
Don’t feel like the team got worse this offseason, but it didn’t improve at all either. Now with Burnes off the board I don’t think any addition would drastically improve the team. Just need to hope at this point that everyone is a year older, has another year of experience, and maybe just maybe a player or two can have an unexpected breakout year. Extremely frustrating that we’ve missed out on so many FAs at this point over the last few seasons
Jays will probably sign a couple of older players who had a decent season in '24 to short contracts. A total rebuild is what comes next. Unfortunately last year should have been the year to start a rebuild.
I hate to say this but Vladdy has done as much to hurt this team as anyone. He refuses the largest contract for a first basemen. I will say that Vladdy is good but not that good. He has become greedy. Why would a top free agent want to come here when they can't sign Vladdy. Maybe we should trade him and start over. At the same time get rid of the General Manager and the President. Are we becoming the Maple Leafs of MLB. It is really sad to see all this crap and drama going on. I have been a die hard Blue Jays fan since they started here and now I am so disappointed with all of this. Shame on You Blue Jays Management !!!!!
Taxes are not coming down that drastically regardless of who wins (it won't be JT). But the reality is that there is no hope for anyone significant without signing Vladdy. We can look at one year contracts, mostly fliers.
Honestly this organization is pure trash now. They did nothing last offseason (made the team worse the previous season) and won't do anything this one either. Nobody wants to play for the Jays and especially Atkins and no wonder why. Words getting around how they treat their players and then lowball their stars. And now the big move made is extending Vladdy which I'm sure they will mess that up to, so the best thing they got going they are likely going to lose this season or after. Its excruciating being a fan of this club.
I will say we didn’t need Burns. Don’t get me wrong getting him would be good, but we need hitters. I’m not worried about how few runs they will let up. I am worried about losing too many one run games. Alonso, bregman, and Santander are still out there. But I’m concerned Ross won’t budge on his defence only mindset. I’m fair to him, yes in 2023 we made the playoffs with it, but this year should of been proof didn’t work.
Why bother getting stuck in a long term contract with Bregman if you can’t sign Vladdy long term, really makes no sense to get caught up in anything long term at this point. Might as well blow this up but not with Atkins making the decisions.
Blue Jays brass got that bad “stink” on them. And I bet players inside are talking to others. This team is no where close to contending or being competitive. Watch as January and February bring trades as free agency yet again was a failure. This team for years have failed to draft right and are paying for it. Rogers is at fault more so than Shapiro and Atkins as all of them have really embarrassed this once fantastic franchise.
It’s all by design. The owners benefit from the leagues collective profitability not by the success of their own team. Revenue is mostly generated by TV contracts so the large market teams dictate what player plays for who.
Should I even bother? OK, here goes: 1) Fight like hell to get at least one of these three; Santander, Bregman, Profar. 2) Go out and get a starter and reliever from the following: Tanner Scott, Kyle Finnegan, Jack Flaherty.
If the J's want to encourage Vladdy and Bo to even consider extending, the front office has to pull out all the stops. Sign Bregman, Jeff Hoffman and Jurickson Profar. Take a serious shot at 2025. Or else, Bo, Vladdy, Ross and Mark are gone.
All those assumptions were made about every player that has signed ..in reality the jays have not been in on any of these guys..they don't want to play in Canada or under Atkins!! I will not watch if I see Ernie and Davis in the starting lineup...they were a AAA team last yr.. and traded literally there 2nd best hitter for a glove
No One wants to come and play here ! End of story As long as this team had its front office / no farm system / and no core or being capable of winning No free agent will be here Bregman to Detroit Santander to Boston Alonso back to NY
If i were Burnes, or any other player for that matter, i wouldn't want to play in Toronto either. Lousy management and high taxes is enough to sour any player, not to mention this team isn't anywhere close to being a contender. They'll assemble some scrap parts like last season, we'll complain about it, and watch the Jays finish last yet again.
Trade Vlad Jr because it’s extremely unlikely that he will sign an extension. Get the max return for him then go sign Alonso and Bregman. Strengthen the BP and add pitching depth.
At this point the players are making it very clear nobody is willing to play for this management team. Why sign in Toronto when they don't hand a single star signed long term right now? Nobody would do that. Not a good look spitting in Vladdy's face while trying to attract talent. Go Yankees Go!
Any person who thinks logically knows the smartest thing to do is rebuild. They need 3 more power hitters, a starter and bullpen/pitching depth. And all that's not happening. Trade Vlad, Bo, Springer, Kirk, Starting pitchers and any older bullpen guys. Build the rookies up and be contenders in 2 years. Then they can spend like drunken sailors to fill the holes.
Time to find a new team to cheer for. Why be loyal to a team just because it's the only option in my country? They don't care about the players or about actually winning. That, or they are completely, utterly incompetent. And either way, it's not fun being a Jays fan anymore.
ever since trading for Mitch White, this team has headed in one direction and that's last place in the ALE. Stop voting for high taxes and fire this FO asap.
Now we look into the next potential draft picks. Toronto Blue Jays should get probably top 5 pick. We must accept that this team is a forever mediocre team with the current management team. Exciting time for Blue Jays fans will be draft day!!!
Atkins should of been fired for trading Moreno case closed...and tossing in JR for free...and Theo was never resigning with the guy who traded him for a mid reliever
Grew up a Jays fan watching them win back 2 back. This year I officially started letting myself cheer for the Yankees since I love the way that club is run. After a decade of this I'm no longer a Jays fan and that really sucks.
I'm embarrassed n ashamed to call myself a fan of this team.....we're done n there's goin to be alot of empty seats in that ball park this year...have fun tryin to pay that off
Atkins isn't getting fired, the fans need to put on THEIR BIG BOY PANTS SUCK IT UP AND BOYCOTT FOR GOD SAKE. CLOWNSHOW. And we NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE FREAKING GUYS. They will finish last AGAIN even with TWO of those guys. We aren't sure n the mix for anyone. Tired of hearing that they are on everything it's all bullshit no one is coming here
Actually, I'm flabbergasted that anyone (ANYONE) is surprised that Atkins did absolutely nothing (again) this offseason. That is totally beyond me.
Guess we can’t even expect him to do the bare minimum, with all the money Rogers has. It’s a disgrace to baseball itself.
Atkins will sign Rowdy Tellez and call that the lefty power bat. lol
Jays had a real president and gm recently. Their names were beeston and anthopolous. Been downhill since they left.
No it's the fking crime in Toronto you could have Jesus as GM nobody will go there .
1000% I remember waaay back when a few folks were trying to say AA was a bad GM. lmfao look at us now.
Atkins blew the team up last year, now nobody wants to play on the Jays, including the players on the team.
We won't sign any major FA after the way Vladdy and Bo were treated. Period.
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Please fire atkins, Shapiro and Schneider now before more damage is done
I’m not mad at Ross or Shapiro for missing out on free agents because of the recruiting process or the pursuits, I’m mad because it’s pretty negligent to expect to recruit players when your franchise player is unsigned. No free agent sees what they’ve done the last couple seasons and sees any direction.
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I would waaaaayyyy rather have Santander than Alex Bregman. I realize that Bregman has a higher projected WAR but we need a legit cleanup hitter. Totally agree.
Facts
Being a fan of this team is tough right now
Being a Canadian sports fan is tough right now. For the most part, every teams management is a trainwreck, we aren’t producing home grown talent that’s elite, and to top it off tax is making many players not want to come here.
Canada is truly becoming one of the most depressing companies to be a fan of competitive sporting events.
Well this is a stupid comment
Take off your rogers dunce hat@JadeaRS4
@@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigiI fully support the jays management being let go. They have proven long enough they are over their heads. They should be fired all of them. Now as for Raptors, Masai is great and has done a lot with what he has had. He has drafted well and they are on the bubble of being a great team. He has proven he can make the right moves when needed. I believe in Masai and he needs a few more trades/picks before I am willing to even consider thinking about questioning him. He is a World Champion. As for the Leafs not a fan but I have always been disappointed in the leafs. Since Potvin, Gilmour and Clark the leafs have been mediocre they are way too top heavy but maybe if the cap keeps going up they stand a chance. Patience may pay off in the end if the cap rises those contracts won’t look so bad. Fire Jays Managment/ Patience and trust in Masai/ Leafs hope and pray things can fall just right. NHL is also most competitive league top to bottom.
Thank you captain obvious
Players love using the Jays to drive up their bidding. They have no intentions of coming here.
I wouldn't wanna play here either teams a joke and front office is extremely untrustworthy
Expecting a high end free agent to sign with a last place team is unrealistic.
Teo, Gurriel, Moreno, now Vlady and Bo, all gone thanks to management. Catastrophic
Vlad & Bo will be gone next year , 2 bad
@@Firul4is Teo and Lourdes were traded for a reason. Lack of consistent hustle and the whole lack of maturity laughing group which some of older players became pissed with.
Now what? Finish 5th in the AL East. So, last year.
Unfortunately
Ross is running this team directly into the ground
The tax issue is a convenient excuse. California has the highest income tax rate in the U.S. The Blue Jays were used as leverage against the Giants. When the Giants didn't bite, Burnes took the convenient way out by signing with the Diamondbacks. The real issue is the Blue Jays are going no where fast. Everyone knew Toronto would not be a desirable location if Vlad Jr wasn't extended. The first course of action after the World Series should have been extending Vlad Jr but instead Blue Jays management waited until after Juan Soto was signed. I don't blame any free agent for NOT signing with Toronto. The only reason any free agent signs with Toronto now is they offered the most money. They don't care about winning.
Burnes is from California, and wanted to play for a team that's somewhat close to home. This was the first time in his career where he could choose where he wanted to play.
@@Dulcimerist He is from California but lives in Arizona.
@@ohnojoe1076 Even better for him. Seems like Arizona is exactly where he wanted to play.
This team has so many holes from the farm system up to the big leagues, but their biggest hole is probably at GM... This team is in a dire situation with their 2 best young players becoming free agents likely to walk... Atkins and Shapiro have no one to blame but themselves for how terrible things have gotten, but Rogers is a close 2nd for continuing to place their trust in them.
I've been a fan since 1984 and this is the worst I have felt about this team ever.
Yah things arent looking good :/
Since April 7, 1977 here. Aka day 1 and I was at that game. So I experienced all the growing pains of expansion. So mediocrity was more or less expected for the first 5 years, but at least by the early 80’s there was light at the end of that short tunnel with Tony Fernandez and the beginning of the pipeline of players they would get/scout from San Pedro de Macoris in in the DR. There currently appears to be no hope or direction. So we are in agreement.
@midnightrambler7716 I'm a day one fan as well. I was going to the first game with my dad, but didn't because I was sick, 9 years old. My first game was June that year. Anyway, even in the first few years the Jays weren't this bad.
A huge free agent market and Jays got no one.
Nobody in here or anywhere should be surprised. No player will sign when are best two players aren’t signed long term. It’s pretty simple really.
Surprised ? Not at all. Whoever was is just delusional lol
...some fans? SOME fans? 90% of them want SHATKINS FIRED!
That Canada Tax thing is just an excuse.. US MLB players can apply for Treaty Relief. US has a tax treaty with Canada. Players can apply as non-residency and under that Tax treaty can avoid paying Canadian tax for on their income… so Canada tax is just an excuse.. the truth is players won’t sign with the Jays because of the Front Office and the fact there’s no direction for their future
The 1992 and 1993 championship team had no trouble recruiting the games best. Fortunate to enjoy those years given current state of this organization.
Atkins and Shapiro need to go. Get someone in to sign vladdy and get this ship righted
it could be worst, we could be Maple Leaf fans....
Blow it up and be sin eaters for 2024. Trade for players like Chris Taylor, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger, Steve Matz, Jordan Montgomery, Christian Vazquez, Starling Marte, Robbie Ray, Miles Mikolas and Ryan Pressly at reduced contracts and prospects. Gobble up 1 year bad contracts. Add 5 to 10 prospects to the top 10 to 15. Flip whichever of those guys you can at the deadline and officially start the rebuild.
the Front office belongs on an unemployable list. I wouldn't wish them on anyone other than the Yankees. and even then I'd feel bad.
Taxes have nothing to do with it. There are all kinds of ways to get around them. We are no different than California and New York. I think the no opt out was a real deal breaker. Don’t forget he lives in Arizona as well.
And just had twins
Burnes wanted to play close to home. Toronto is on the opposite side of the continent.
@@Dulcimerist now come the Montgomery to Toronto rumours.
I wouldn't put it past Atkins to look at Lourdes as well. Jays can't ask for much, but adding Lourdes to a deal may be enough to entice the Jays to take all the money on Monty.
Lourdes would appease some fans and has an opt out after 2025 and team option for 2026, so he's manageable.
It's not the ideal move IMO and I wouldn't be eager to pull the trigger, but maybe it's something I can see the FO doing that fills two holes if the market keeps rejecting them.
If FAs won't take the money, maybe Arizona will take the relief.
“Now what?” We suffer for the next 4 years at minimum
😊satander does not move the needle
Shapiro and Atkins should go on a one way trip to Neptune.
He has a home in Arizona already. It’s not like the Blue Jays could just match that offer and get him. They probably would’ve had to outbid it by 50 million. Spring training is in Arizona too so he gets to stay in his own home now year around
If that's the case why the San Francisco Giants were his number one choice
@ According to who?
@johndurrer7869 Definitely not you, because you seems to know what he had for breakfast.
Nobody of any pedigree wants to play for this management plus the taxes. 51st state would help!
Why would any top tiers FAs FA want to come to the Jays…
This offseason has been a nightmare
Honestly, the press conference where Atkins tries to explain how this team can be expected to compete with zero major additions would probably be infinitely more entertaining than actually succeeding in landing a significant free agent.
Ernie Clement could be a 3WAR player at 3B next year. So why would we pay Bregman 30M per year to be a 4WAR player at 3B next year and then start a decline 2 years from now. Makes no sense
You guys literally just repeat what you read online - what credible source has said that he's "under fire"
How can we trust these guys to sign free agents when they can’t even sign their own potential free agents
What’s stoping the Jays from just rebuilding at this point?
One reason is Rogers cheque book which would take a huge hit if they started a rebuild right now with neither Vladdy or Bo signed long term. Plus the half a billion dollar renovations Rogers just sunk into the Rogers Centre. The last thing ownership wants to do right now is start a rebuild. Even if it is the smartest thing to do right now
them not wanting to get fired.
@@munenorikawasaki7796 the sad part is there really shouldnt be a reason to be doing a rebuild had FO not been braindead...
The renovation of the rogers centre
To rebuild you need a good management team that can draft well, develop players well and do good trades. The current management is incapable of all of those things.
All you can do is offer the most money. If the player decides to sign elsewhere, I'm not sure you can blame the front office. What else could they do?
U can blame the front office for not doing a vlad extension 2 years ago. Which would help attract FA. U can blame them for getting rid of teo and all our catcher prospects and depleting our farm system doesn't help with trades or attracting anyone. U can blame them for going from scoring runs to run prevention and we can't score runs. U can blame them for now bringing in a big bat the last off season and signing aging declining vets like kk or Turner or terrible springer contract. What else I'm sure there is more fact is this front of is not capable of getting anything done.
Better trades.
Until it is decided, what they are going to do with Vladimir, the team is not going anywhere, the first thing is Vladimir's contract extension
At this point, they could offer Vlad a contract starting with a 6 and he would most likely reject it. There's no possible way of keeping him when FA is within his grasp.
Remember back when the Jay were runners up for the top 3rd baseman on the free agent market? Pablo Sandoval signed with the red sox.. AA went and made a trade for Donaldson we need to look to the trade market..
I agree but the problem is, the Jays would have to be gutted. No minor leaguers of interest, and aside from Vlad and Bo, the Jays are basically an AAAA team
@tpep55 Ya thats the problem of a decade of not drafting well.
If you hire mediocre Cleveland execs and give them more money to work with, you’ll get a more expensive, but still mediocre Cleveland.
Whether if the team is close to rebuild or not, the fact that the money is not talking for free agents is scary. What GM can overcome that? How does a team function when the development is slow and players won't sign.
Atkins HAS to go ! He is sinking the ship.
Last year was bad. This year will be worse !
He is not the guy for this team.
In Rogers brilliant vision of running the team the last 20 years they will likely extend both Shapiro and Atkins.
You guys really need to sign Atleast one! Get Santander to Atleast be competitive a lil for this upcoming year
I’m beginning to think upper management is purposely sabotaging this team!
Bring back AA, we had it soo good back then.
Also agents no longer look at contracts the way we do. They look at contracts based on what the player will get after taxes. And Toronto has a much higher tax rate than Arizona
Yes, and it's not just income taxes. It's provincial sales taxes, federal goods and services services taxes, and way more socialist type regulations in Canada which infringe on personal freedoms compared to the United States as a whole. Baseball players and their agents must consider these factors. I mean, they're not two dimensional thinkers, as if salary is the only thing that matters.
@@johndurrer7869 That is a lame excuse. The US Taxes as just as bad. California and New York are two of the worst. He actually lives in Arizona so I’m sure that came into play. Your comments are more political than sports related.
@ Sorry if the truth offends you it wasn’t my intent
@@johndurrer7869 No offense taken. Your comment is spot on. Some people don't realize, but professional sports are political unfortunately. And elite athletes are essentially pawns in the bigger game. They get abused at a totally different level than most of us can imagine.
Get Alonso
Don’t feel like the team got worse this offseason, but it didn’t improve at all either. Now with Burnes off the board I don’t think any addition would drastically improve the team. Just need to hope at this point that everyone is a year older, has another year of experience, and maybe just maybe a player or two can have an unexpected breakout year. Extremely frustrating that we’ve missed out on so many FAs at this point over the last few seasons
Front office is garbage
Bregman with springer again. Makes sense
Management worries more about the field (dome) than the product ON the field.
Jays will probably sign a couple of older players who had a decent season in '24 to short contracts. A total rebuild is what comes next. Unfortunately last year should have been the year to start a rebuild.
I hate to say this but Vladdy has done as much to hurt this team as anyone. He refuses the largest contract for a first basemen. I will say that Vladdy is good but not that good. He has become greedy. Why would a top free agent want to come here when they can't sign Vladdy. Maybe we should trade him and start over. At the same time get rid of the General Manager and the President.
Are we becoming the Maple Leafs of MLB. It is really sad to see all this crap and drama going on. I have been a die hard Blue Jays fan since they started here and now I am so disappointed with
all of this. Shame on You Blue Jays Management !!!!!
Taxes are not coming down that drastically regardless of who wins (it won't be JT). But the reality is that there is no hope for anyone significant without signing Vladdy. We can look at one year contracts, mostly fliers.
blue jays are giving current raptors vibes. only difference is one already signed their franchise player, while other hasn't.
Honestly this organization is pure trash now. They did nothing last offseason (made the team worse the previous season) and won't do anything this one either. Nobody wants to play for the Jays and especially Atkins and no wonder why. Words getting around how they treat their players and then lowball their stars. And now the big move made is extending Vladdy which I'm sure they will mess that up to, so the best thing they got going they are likely going to lose this season or after. Its excruciating being a fan of this club.
I feel like the Blue Jays and Giants are kindred spirits in terms of acquiring free agents.
Never thought about it but now that you mention it, Giants have always built from within well.
I will say we didn’t need Burns. Don’t get me wrong getting him would be good, but we need hitters. I’m not worried about how few runs they will let up. I am worried about losing too many one run games. Alonso, bregman, and Santander are still out there. But I’m concerned Ross won’t budge on his defence only mindset. I’m fair to him, yes in 2023 we made the playoffs with it, but this year should of been proof didn’t work.
Why bother getting stuck in a long term contract with Bregman if you can’t sign Vladdy long term, really makes no sense to get caught up in anything long term at this point. Might as well blow this up but not with Atkins making the decisions.
Time the entire BJ miss management regime resigns!😅😮
The front office has run this team into the ground and no plan beyond 25, why would top stars want to come here?
Jays better do something or that 120 loss season the white Sox had, will be the Jays future
Blue Jays brass got that bad “stink” on them. And I bet players inside are talking to others. This team is no where close to contending or being competitive. Watch as January and February bring trades as free agency yet again was a failure. This team for years have failed to draft right and are paying for it. Rogers is at fault more so than Shapiro and Atkins as all of them have really embarrassed this once fantastic franchise.
Thats why you build within and add some parts. They traded the farm and didnt lock in the gimmies. Guerro 10 years 200 million in last year of minors.
Are we THAT girl?? Always the bridesmaid, never the bride?? Isn't it our turn now?? Let's get in the game...LITERALLY!
Happy Happy boys...nothing but the best for you & yours in 2025! Blessings all around🎁👑🙏
Rather get none than overpay for Bregman. He's doing nothing for the team next year.
So when the team loses 100 games this season will Atkins FINALLY get fired?!
It’s all by design. The owners benefit from the leagues collective profitability not by the success of their own team. Revenue is mostly generated by TV contracts so the large market teams dictate what player plays for who.
Rogers does numbers fudging so they pay less into that revenue sharing. One of the benefits of owning the TV broadcasting rights.
Time to start the rebuild including management
Should I even bother? OK, here goes: 1) Fight like hell to get at least one of these three; Santander, Bregman, Profar. 2) Go out and get a starter and reliever from the following: Tanner Scott, Kyle Finnegan, Jack Flaherty.
All that to finish 4th or 5th in the ALEast …
Do not mention $. Roger's is making a fortune off that team
If the J's want to encourage Vladdy and Bo to even consider extending, the front office has to pull out all the stops. Sign Bregman, Jeff Hoffman and Jurickson Profar. Take a serious shot at 2025. Or else, Bo, Vladdy, Ross and Mark are gone.
All those assumptions were made about every player that has signed ..in reality the jays have not been in on any of these guys..they don't want to play in Canada or under Atkins!! I will not watch if I see Ernie and Davis in the starting lineup...they were a AAA team last yr.. and traded literally there 2nd best hitter for a glove
The Jay's couldn't sign a bat boy right now
No One wants to come and play here ! End of story
As long as this team had its front office / no farm system / and no core or being capable of winning
No free agent will be here
Bregman to Detroit
Santander to Boston
Alonso back to NY
Being in Canada is a big issue.
The top FAs have been going to playoff contenders. Jays are not a contender. Jays need to start looking at some middle of the road FAs or trades.
Change teams I guess
If i were Burnes, or any other player for that matter, i wouldn't want to play in Toronto either. Lousy management and high taxes is enough to sour any player, not to mention this team isn't anywhere close to being a contender. They'll assemble some scrap parts like last season, we'll complain about it, and watch the Jays finish last yet again.
We are so f***ed! 😂😂😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Trade Vlad Jr because it’s extremely unlikely that he will sign an extension. Get the max return for him then go sign Alonso and Bregman. Strengthen the BP and add pitching depth.
At this point the players are making it very clear nobody is willing to play for this management team. Why sign in Toronto when they don't hand a single star signed long term right now? Nobody would do that. Not a good look spitting in Vladdy's face while trying to attract talent. Go Yankees Go!
I’m convinced that they are actually the Worst Front Office in professional sports. Raid the Roger’s Centre
Any person who thinks logically knows the smartest thing to do is rebuild. They need 3 more power hitters, a starter and bullpen/pitching depth. And all that's not happening.
Trade Vlad, Bo, Springer, Kirk, Starting pitchers and any older bullpen guys. Build the rookies up and be contenders in 2 years. Then they can spend like drunken sailors to fill the holes.
Anthopolous escaped while he could.
Nick, shave please, the stash looks uneven
Time to find a new team to cheer for. Why be loyal to a team just because it's the only option in my country? They don't care about the players or about actually winning. That, or they are completely, utterly incompetent. And either way, it's not fun being a Jays fan anymore.
Fire ross Atkins
3 chances left to sign a FA bat. Alonso santander bregman
ever since trading for Mitch White, this team has headed in one direction and that's last place in the ALE. Stop voting for high taxes and fire this FO asap.
Now we look into the next potential draft picks. Toronto Blue Jays should get probably top 5 pick. We must accept that this team is a forever mediocre team with the current management team. Exciting time for Blue Jays fans will be draft day!!!
Atkins should of been fired for trading Moreno case closed...and tossing in JR for free...and Theo was never resigning with the guy who traded him for a mid reliever
Grew up a Jays fan watching them win back 2 back. This year I officially started letting myself cheer for the Yankees since I love the way that club is run. After a decade of this I'm no longer a Jays fan and that really sucks.
Atkins and Shapiro should be fired they’re mm both knobs start boycotting when the team starts losing money they may get the picture
I'm embarrassed n ashamed to call myself a fan of this team.....we're done n there's goin to be alot of empty seats in that ball park this year...have fun tryin to pay that off
Atkins isn't getting fired, the fans need to put on THEIR BIG BOY PANTS SUCK IT UP AND BOYCOTT FOR GOD SAKE. CLOWNSHOW. And we NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE FREAKING GUYS. They will finish last AGAIN even with TWO of those guys. We aren't sure n the mix for anyone. Tired of hearing that they are on everything it's all bullshit no one is coming here
The Jays are being used as leverage over and over again. Sad