Rotring 600 and Rapid Pro VS Redcircle and Kuelox 3308 Mechanical Pencils! Are they good copies?
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- In this video I compare and test my Rotring 600 and Rotring Rapid Pro mechanical pencils against the Redcircle 600 and the Kuelox 3308 Metal Comic Drawing Mechanical Pencil. All of these are 0.7mm mechanical pencils.
Rotring 600 on Amazon:
amzn.to/2LG9i60 (affiliate link)
Rotring Rapid Pro on Amazon:
amzn.to/3bszED8 (affiliate link)
Redcircle 600 on Ali Express:
www.aliexpress.com/item/33002...
Kuelox 3308 on Ali Express:
www.aliexpress.com/item/32805...
The last crappy pencil you tried as a wobble but not so much, let-me explain: it is missing the (retractable)lead sleeve!! I have one in 0.5mm and it has some play but you clearly missing a piece there!
Mine has both wobbles: lead has big gap inside the sleeve, and also the sleeve as a little play into the cone. Normaly to correct the measure inside of the needle of almost all cheap pensils (0.5) i add glue and after dry i drill with a 0.55 drill.
I will probably try the redcircle, but not the kuelox: too much wobble and a higher grip ( i am low gripper).
Thank you for the video!
That would explain a lot! Upon closer inspection it's definitely missing that sleeve. Great information thanks for letting me know!
17:30 That cheapo metal mechanical pencil is actually a pretty popular hack to have a brass body on a Pentel Sharp P200, because the mechanism fits in the metal body, some of them have a good grippy knurling it's usually hit or miss if it'll come with a good knurling
Are you serious? That's great information! Someone else had pointed out that mine was actually broken so I ended up tossing it in the trash. I actually had wondered if I could have saved it somehow and this might have been the answer I needed. I'm tempted to order another just to try this! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Did you know that there is a mechanical pencil from Rotring Company called Rapid Pro 0.5?
It has 2 legendary characteristics, which were
She was ahead of her time. The nib comes out mechanically, or the pen lengthens the nib without pressing the pen from the back - just pressing the pen while writing, the nib comes out automatically. Secondly, the Chubb feature is the nib protection feature that is present in the Zebra pencil called Dell Guard to protect the lead from broken .The strange thing is that no one ever talked about these amazing features. Even the company itself did not disclose the matter.. really strange.
Thanks for this was about to buy a new pencil. And thanks for all your hard work filming over the years. I've had a great time wandering around with you and seeing the sites. In one of the videos, you followed a demo on mask painting where the guy was using an airbrush. I've seen you do face-ups by hand, do you also use an airbrush? I'm asking because I have one, a birthday gift, and wondered if you had any advice? Do the make a lot of mess?
Wow! You've been busy! Well, airbrushing, like any other art medium, takes practice. It can certainly be messy! The paint is really thin so it runs easily and it's easy to slosh out of the cup of the airbrush. If you're careful though you can keep the mess to a minimum. Be careful when spraying indoors of course! I've done airbrushing on some of our creepy dolls. My best advise would be what you probably already expect. Watch lots of TH-cam videos. There's a lifetime of videos on here from people that are AMAZING! And lots from people that will put you to sleep LOL! But search enough and you'll find some that you enjoy. Once you have your brush setup, start practicing. There's no better teacher than experience! If you want to paint on canvas buy some cheap canvases and have fun! If you want to learn to paint on dolls, buy some dolls from thrift stores and play around with painting on them so you can learn what works and what doesn't. You will make mistakes. You will make a mess. Don't let that bother you! You will get better! I did. Heck I'm still learning new things every time I paint!
@@JaggedThings aw man! Thank you for the advice. I shall certainly follow it. Thank you for all the inspiration, too. You guys are so talented - and kind! I think I'll be trying the airbrush in the garden (when spring arrives) until I get a handle on it... We need better news with Covid and then I may get the studio my husband and sons have promised because we need workmen in. Isn't it weird that fresh inspiration will make you push yourself when nothing else has for a while? I may curse you and Belinda to hell and back before I get there, but please know that it's mainly down to you both that I want to risk mobilizing again. (Broke my neck on one of our horses.) So thank you both with all my heart.
The Rapid Pro has that spring to absorb pressure while you are writing cursive r drawing, so sharp changes in movement don't break the lead, it just works like shocks on a car.
Does the 0.5 lead of the redcircle fit precisely in the tip or is it a bit loose? because when the lead is loose it would move when drawing, that does not happen with the graphgear 500 for example
Dang you're right I hesitated and didn't make that very clear did I?! The Redcircle was looser than the Rotring. Would I have noticed or cared if I had never used a Rotring? I don't know that I would. But having used a few Rotrings it was definitely noticeable.
The internals on the Red Circle look almost like the older Koh-I-Noor and Alvin Klic-Matics. Still have two Rapidomatics made in Japan from the mid '80s that I used in college. I would pay more for a German made Rotring. To protect the non retractable tip, I use a product made for wood cased pencils called pencil caps. These are like the clear plastic caps that you see on cosmetic product pencils.
Pencil caps! Holy cow! Okay, so how the heck have I been overlooking this marvel all of my life? I've spent so much money on art pencils over the years and I've been in countless art supply stores and I've never paid attention to these. Now I'm going to order a bunch for my pencils and my mechanical pencils! Shame on you for feeding my art supply addiction! 🤣
I recently purchased a Tomato X5 mechanical pencil from Woodcraft. It looks exactly like the Kuelox but has zero tip wiggle.
That's interesting! It looks like the only place I can purchase one is though Woodcraft and they're on backorder. Dang. I'll keep an eye out and try to pick one up! Thanks!
has anyone tried putting the red circle innards in the original?
Interesting video. I’d not heard of red circle. IMO Rotring are worth paying the extra over the look alike versions. I agree the plastic on the rapid pro is a little disappointing but they feel great to use.
Thanks! I can't help but be impressed with the two Rotring I have so far. Even if I didn't know the price I'd be able to tell that they are premium pencils!
It's interesting - how the Redcircle is in casual use. It's very heavy - about two Graphgear 500. It can be annoying... I'd like to buy full metal because of curiosity but it's creepy about their balance. Comparing graphgear 500 and graphgear 1000 - it's more pleasant to use 500. Balance of 500 is closer to 1/4, while 1000 is about 1/2. How about metal rotring series in balance?
The Rotring 600 and the Rapid Pro are both about 1/2. I agree about the Graphgear 500. I like how it is heavier towards the tip. I use it often for drawing because it's comfortable and it has a long tip. I also have the Pro-Use Platinum and the Staedtler 925 Silver Series which I think look similar to the Graphgear 500 but their balance is at about 1/2. A favorite of mine for general use is the Uni Shift because of the retractible tip and the balance is at about 1/3. Thanks for watching!
great video i wish i hade scene these some days ago , redcircle is a great pencil , it is built well and also it writes well, some qa issues tho so if you buy one and it come with a problem be surt to as for a refund and they will surely give you one
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your comment!
Does the Rapid pro have more tip wobble than the 600? Which of the 2 is more precise please? Which would you choose for drawing?
They're both very precise. I don't notice any kind of sponginess when drawing or writing with either one, but if I extend the lead out and wiggle them both with the tip of my finger, the Rapid Pro feels like it has a barely detectable wiggle. The 600 is rock solid. This appears to be a result of the retractable sleeve on the Rapid Pro. Honestly though I don't even notice it when drawing. So for me it comes down to whether or not I want/need a retractable sleeve. If you keep your pencils in some sort of a protective case to protect the tips of your pencils, then the Rapid Pro may be un-necessary. The Rapid Pro is just a tad heavier than the 600 and feels a bit.. softer(?) in my grip. And, the Rapid Pro costs just a bit more. In the end, after this overly wordy response.. I usually end up choosing the 600 over the Rapid Pro. You really can't go wrong with either though. Thanks for watching and asking!
@@JaggedThings I never notice the wiggle on retractable tip pencils while using the,hhoweve I notice that they don't draw or write, as good as the solid non retractable pencils! It shows mostly on my handwriting, which always looks better with solid pencils! Thank you very much for the feedback,I really appreciate it!
PSI only have the 2mm Rapid Pro,which came with a lot of wiggle,and the only fix I could think of,was to harvest a lead from a Faber Castell 2000 and use those instead! It now is Rock Solid,zero wiggle!
@@greekveteran2715 Isn't it interesting that the lead can make such a difference? I like the thicker .7mm pencils. I do have some .5 and .3 but for drawing I tend to use .7 but that's just my personal preference. But I don't know how much that might affect the wiggle on the Rapid Pro but I can't help but wonder if lead thickness makes any difference. The Rotring 600 as well as my Staedtler 925 and GraphGear 500 are all excellent solid pencils that I enjoy drawing with. My Pro-Use Platinum is .3 and it's a pleasure to use too! I have a Graph 1000 that's .3 but it's a plastic body and for some reason I just prefer my metal body pencils so it doesn't get much use. The only reason I mention all these is because they're all standard mechanical pencils. No fancy retractable sleeve or anything like that and they're all solid pencils from well known companies with no detectable wiggle.
@@JaggedThings Between Rotr.600,Staedtler 925 and Graphgear 500,which would you keep if you had to choose only one? Thank you !
@@greekveteran2715 Ooooh you're asking the tough question! 🤣 Well just my personal preference, but for me it's between the Rotring and the Graphgear because they both feel higher quality than the Staedtler. The Staedtler has a nice, good quality click when advancing the lead but feels the lightest, has a round plastic shaft and has more plastic than the other two. The Rotring and Graphgear both have a hexagonal pencil like shaft that for some reason I like. The Graphgear has a nice knurled metal grip with a long lead sleeve that really lets me see what I'm drawing. But, it also has a plastic shaft and I don't like the spongy feeling of the lead advancing mechanism. So, the Rotring 600 takes it for me because it's all metal and feels heavier, it has a nice high quality click when you advance the lead, and just feels great to me when writing/sketching. Of course your choice of lead makes a big difference in how a pencil feels on paper and my personal favorite is Pilot Neox Graphite in 2B.
sir can i ask if the redcircle was a fullmetal the redcircle 600??
Yes the Redcircle is full metal. Thanks for watching!
All I can say after all that copies is that the Rotring mechanism is one of a kind! The consistency 0.6mm at 10 clicks is legendary and for years of usage I haven’t experienced a lead breakage in my rotring. Sorry to mention but I have a Lamy 2000 mechanical pencil and it breaks a lot of the lead and the 10-clicks is longer than 0.6mm. Therefore I can say we pay Rotring for their worksmanship (mechanism) and the reliability because it’s ROTRING man!
I believe it's hard to deny the quality of Rotring. I have several other brands I like as well but I always enjoy using my Rotrings!
@@JaggedThings true! As for me, #1 ROTRING, #2 PARKER, #3 UNI/PENTEL. Back in college I'm a fan of STAEDTLER but now ROTRING ROCKS! Actually they are equal in many aspects but ROTRING IS INNOVATING.
"LMAOO!!" - when you're German and find out there's a copy of Rotring called Redcircle. That's copying as blatant as things get.
Pretty much. I mean "redcircle"... really? Pretty bold.
It sucks the way companies steal other companies designs. Rotting makes beautiful quality products. Other companies just knock off there designs and sell there products at a lower price. I hate that kind of stuff.
Why should Rotring have the right to rip you off?
You either support the free market or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
@@RijuChatterjee
One thing is "free market" and a complete different thing is "copy market".
I totally favour the free market of course, however I totally go against the "legal" (and even more the illegal) copy market.
@@mauriciolacruz You are not taking it or leaving it. You are fudging.
@@RijuChatterjee
What does "fudging" mean? 🤔
According to your "rewiew," Rotrings are the best quality, but you don't specify why. It MUST be better if it cost $30, right?
However you contradict yourself because when taking apart the Red Circle pencil you seem to be impressed by inside mechanics entirely (almost) made of brass (btw also the sleeve of this pencil is brass, hence the weight), you also like its faster advancement of lead.
Despite all these positive features you say at the end that Rotrings are of better quality. Would you care to explain?
Good question! I personally hate it when there is too much space between the lead and the sleeve causing the lead to wiggle and feel spongy while I'm writing or drawing. The Redcircle had a little wiggle. Not a lot though. I could probably get used to it. In fact if I'd never used a Rotring I might not have known the difference. The mechanism for advancing the lead just "feels" smoother In the Rotring as well. BUT... and this is a huge BUT.. Those are really subjective things aren't they? Is it really worth $30 more? That's different for everyone. Some people will prefer a Yeti cup over all the other cheaper insulated cups out there but not me. I have a cheap cup from Walmart and I'm certainly not embarrassed to use the Redcircle.
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18:07 That's "Defect Product" dude...
I didn't realize that until afterwards when someone else pointed it out. You're absolutely right!
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Kuelox 3308 iş not rotring copy, this pencil copy Scrikss graph x 🇹🇷
Looks like a match to me! Thanks for that info! I may try to pick one of those up
I never understood why Americans have this thing of carrying mechanical pencils in their pockets? Why not carry it in your bag or a pencil case?
The Rotring 600 is an engineering/drafting tool with a 4mm fixed sleeve. It is made with a goal in mind and it is what it is. It's just nonsensical to want to carry something like this in your pocket. And even Rotring themselves came up with the 600 retractable, that later was renamed to the 800
Excellent point! Well I think I'm certainly in the minority when it comes to that. I do have a pencil case (which is full) and a pencil bag (which is also full) The pencils I use for art are in those. It's truly a niche area when it comes to wanting a pencil to carry in your shirt pocket like the old school geek that I am! 🤓🤣 I'm probably one step away from having a pocket protector which is a potentially embarrassing fact. 🥺While at work I like to have a pen and a pencil in my shirt pocket. I'm very picky about my pens and I'm obviously very picky about my pencils too. If I had to pull out a pencil case every time I wanted to access my pencil it would be terribly time consuming and inconvenient. Not to mention the case definitely wouldn't fit in my pocket, so I'd have to carry it around. I could put my mechanical pencil in a cup in front of me on my desk or simply lay it on the desktop like a normal sane person but you see my desk isn't just my own. The desk is "our" desk. Actually there are several desks that we all use and I might be at a different one tomorrow, so unless I want to donate my expensive pencil to someone else, I'm forced to carry it with me and my shirt pocket is the most convenient and practical place to carry it. If you're interested to know, I haven't purchased the Rotring 800 yet, but I've considered it. Currently I'm using a retractable nib pencil manufactured by/for Amazon of all things. Before this pencil I was carrying a Uni Shift which is still a favorite of mine! But those are just for writing. I have many other fixed sleeve pencils I prefer for art. So if you're still with me reading this, I appreciate your comment and I'm glad you watched!
I’m in school and I often end up putting my pens/pencils in my pocket when I’m walking between classes. I like to just put a cheap pen cap on it to protect the tip and my pocket from eachother. I’ve considered getting a 800 but I’m hesitant because of the higher price and potential tip wobble.
@@luna010 ert
The Kuelox is a copy of the Rotring 800