I think it's statistically probable that they do somewhere -- the universe is a really, really big place. What I'm unsure of is whether said aliens would be in a form that we can possibly interact with. After all, these would be creatures descending from an entirely different evolutionary tree than ours. That means no common evolutionary ancestor that we inherit eyes, mouths, arms, etc from. There is no guarantee they'd resemble anything, even in the slightest way, to any form of life we know of on Earth. That being said, nothing is impossible with God, and this separate evolutionary tree could produce a rational species, given an immortal soul by God, that we could communicate with intelligently. The probability of that is so low, in my opinion, that I would call it an absolute miracle.
There was a French scholar or psychologist that made a great observation on Aliens and poltergeist from people who supposedly experience these phenomenons there pretty much the same just one see the alien and the other doesn't. I personally do not believe aliens exist in the way Hollywood portrays but if the do exist and people are experiencing these terrors my conclusion is that their demons. I'm not sure if the movie the four kind is based on true stories or events but I seen the movie when I was not a believer but I remember thinking these aliens where a bit cynical and demonic.
This is fascinating. As a catholic I always struggled with this topic and reconciling it with my belief knowing the available evidence. Thank you. This helped my faith and put to rest many of my anxieties and questions about it.
@@PadraigTomas a political commentator from the Daily Wire. He's also a disciple of Christ and discusses theology a decent bit. He's been on Pints before.
@@PadraigTomas The author of the excellent book "Church of Cowards", children's author of "Johnny the Walrus," and behind the powerful documentary/movie "What is a Woman?" If you are someone who would rather not watch news everyday, I totally get it. But he's worth checking out. At least read Church of Cowards.
Catholic Catechism 356: “Of all visible creatures only man is "able to know and love his creator".He is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake",and he alone is called to share, by knowledge and love, in God's own life. It was for this end that he was created, and this is the fundamental reason for his dignity.”
Point being that the Magisterium teaches the truths found, explicitly or implicitly, in the Deposit of Faith (Tradition and Scripture). Nothing outside of the Deposit of Faith can be taught by the Magisterium, even under the non-infallible Ordinary Magisterium. St Paul warns : “For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears” 2 Timothy 4.
My grandpa was in Tianjin, China working on an airbase as a Marine at the end of WWII. He was a staunch Catholic, but what happened there made him sure there were things in the air. Pilots would go up and fly and come back spooked and report other craft much faster than them that had lights and could move in ways planes at the time could not. Higher ups came in and threatened everyone to stop talking about it and had to shut them up. He had a friend that was a priest that stayed behind after the communists came through and they had to leave. He said his friend was probably martyred.
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@@massudddecat7449Sure.... If they were the fallen ones!! 💯%!! If you think the "aliens" were "Roman Catholic",then you are claiming something really,really awful for anyone Roman Catholic. Hitler only believed in GOD as Satan does. He wanted to kick GOD out of control,and he was ambitious as Satan!! ( And a total TOOL of Lucifer/ now Satan)🤨......
Thigpen says that Humani Generis holds that it's possible for a rational creature to not be immortal. See c. 15:10 (mm:ss) of this video. Thigpen should reread the document Humani Generis. Pius XII does not say what Thigpen claims in this matter. Rather, Pius XII disparaged the idea that God would have to grant the Beatific Vision to a rational creature out of some natural necessity in paragraph 26 of Humani Generis. In paragraph 36, Pius XII asserts that souls are the immediate creation of God. According to scholastic philosophy which Pius XII extols throughout the whole document, souls are spiritual substances, not having material parts, and thus not being able to be destroyed, i.e., immortal. According to scholastic philosophy, the soul is the form of the human substance. What makes a creature rational, is the fact that it possesses a soul. This is according to the same philosophy (scholasticism) that Pius XII extols in Humani Generis. Thigpen is pretty off on this matter, to paint the situation euphemistically.
Thanks for bringing this topic up Matt. I think normal people naturally avoid weird topics like this, but with it being on the news more, it is important to address. People need to see faithful Catholics dealing with even weird topics like this because it can shake the faith of some
I enjoyed the subject matter and relaxed conversation. I don't believe in aliens at this time, but I do believe God is great and all powerful and He can do anything. All will be revealed in heaven ✨ Thank you for the entertaining conversation.
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Science fiction writer Ray Bradbury wrote a short story called "The Fire Balloons" about a sentient alien race that never fell from grace because they are incorporeal beings...in other words, they are unable to sin. When they came into contact with humans, their sinfulness and suffering traumatizes them. The story is found in the anthology, "The Illustrated Man". There is another story in the same anthology called, "The Man", in which we learn that Jesus is visiting other planets with His message of hope and peace.
I don't believe Christ would become incarnate in another species. This seems like it is offensive to pious ears to me. I'm with Matt that Mary has a particular dominion over the universe and that it is taught by the church that she is the highest of all creation. Our faith doesn't teach us to leave room for multiple mothers of Christ who sit at the right hand of God. What does that mean for her title as spouse of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit has other spouses too? Again, this is offensive to pious ears.
I second this! It's all a huge lie the elites are preparing us for. They are in league with demons. It's hard not to get frustrated when Paul and Matt are genuinely curious, but the worst people imaginable are responsible for the "UFO" phenomenon. Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, etc. All satanists involved in the space program.
Please have Daniel O’Connor on. He debunks many reckless untruths of Thigpen, Akin, Pasulka and other “Catholic experts”in his book “Only Man Bears His Image.”
I agree! Just got his book for Christmas and it refutes all of this. I’m a Protestant and love seeing that some of my Catholic brothers and sisters are seeing through this nonsense!
Very interesting, so we say obviously that Christ is the King of the Angels which is a singular role and we say that Mary is Queen of the Angels... Should that be a singular role or could that be shared with others? What is the significance of being Queen of the Angels, what responsibilities and honors come with that and can those be shared with multiple beings unlike being King of the Angels is reserved for God alone.
Don’t we also - of necessity - force reported experiences into categories that fit our beliefs (as do the angels-are-aliens crowd)? I’m thinking particularly about people who report reincarnation / memories of past lives. We must dismiss them as either lies, delusions, or diabolic deception to avoid heresy. My point is that we are talking about things that can’t be subjected to any sort of test that can offer 100% certainty to someone who believes a paradigm that excludes the hypothesis in question. Aliens on the whitehouse lawn in nuts-and-bolts spacecraft holding x-rays of their anatomy won’t persuade Prof. Daniel O’Connor that they are not demons or perhaps some construct made by demons in collaboration with evil human conspirators. If angels descended from heaven amid clouds of glory the devout athiests would insist that those aliens have technologybso advanced that it looks like magic. That’s where for us and for them, faith has to bridge a gap. You have to decide who you ultimately trust, even more than your own lying eyes if necessary.
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@@SuperMakoto13 both of those accusations are false. He speaks openly, why lie about him? He doesn't "disrespect" the pope he is very charitable when he points out his errors. How did Christ speak of the religious leaders of his time? 🤔 a lot more harshly that's for sure.
When dr. Thigpen refers to a Brazilian event, he's most definitely talking about the "incident" at Varginha (Minas Gerais), which happened almost 30 years ago, in 1996. Today, as we have got a bit of a distance from the case, several documents and elements from the investigation are coming to the surface, and the events are becoming more and more difficult to be refuted.
I think I heard an understandable mistake: equating St. Apollinaris with Apollinarius, who was the one behind the heresy of Apollinarianism that he mentioned. They aren’t the same person.
Have you ever heard of the story of St Anthony meeting a satyr while traveling in the desert, these stories have now become UFOS because that’s what we want, go figure.
Lets face the fact that there is a lot more to all this than what we know and keeping an open, enquiring mind is not herisy producing but merely an intelligent seeking of 'new' yet paradoxically 'ancient' infornation which involves God, includes Him as we all journey together incorporating new God given constructs as He reveals them to us and is revealing them to us. We can preserve and honour Him and still grow.
Another thought. The SETI search at OSU only found one signal by Jerry Ehman all those years on August 15, 1977 (Feast of the Assumption). Jerry was for real, he was my E-mag Theory prof at OSU. And The Radio Telescope antenna was developed and built by my second E-mag Theory J. D. Kraus. So, they were not sliuches in this area of study. I personally asked Kraus about "life out there" and his answer was that he had no evidence but said the universe was "really big." Fir me, i find no compelling reason to believe in ET. God is all i need. He far exceeds anything the Aliens can offer me. Anything not supported by God is simply a distraction to my faith and Satan would love to use this distraction to to steal my soul away from God's heaven.
This is a profound sentiment my friend. My search for ET led me back to Christ, funny enough, and today I would tend to agree with you that “ET” talk is in fact a distraction from God. Corrado Balducci (Pope John Paul II’s main spokesman) proclaimed from the Vatican that ET can and may exist, but all the same falls underneath God and the Divine and would not negate our faith. Bless you ❤🙏
With all do respect he seems to be the wrong person to write about this topic. He doesn't have philosophical precision when he speaks. Fr. Ripperger has spoken on this topic in other interviews. He thinks that they do not. He has seen possessed people shape shift, levitate. Angels have the capacity to materialize. Demons are fallen angels, they can materialize to deceive humans.
As a Catholic who had an "ET" encounter face to face, in my Atheist past. Mr. Thigpen's argument against angels in Ezekiel not possibly being "aliens" is very weak. The angels working in Scripture and the unexplainable movements of ET's do mesh together far better than he admits in this interview. ET simply means extra terrestrial, which angels and demons certainly fit.
Many angels or demons in scripture could probably be described as extraterrestrials. I would quibble strongly, though, with attempts to reduce the throne of God to a flying saucer, in spite of a superficial resemblance in Ezekiel 1.
@@shepherdessinthefray sure, I had just turned 20 years old a little over a week before. Alcohol was the only "drug" I had ever had up to that point. I was awoken by Blackhawks flying over my house, it was 7:20ish in the morning, light coming through my windows as it was June 12th. I lay in bed annoyed at the helicopters, I sleep on my stomach, I totally outside of my normal behavior spun around into my back very quickly and sat up. I never do this but for some reason I did it this morning. At the foot of my bed just off to the side a Humanoid Figure totally black and featureless, except for the very detailed Robe. It was also black, but had White writing on it and a tassel of some kind from the collar connecting to it's belt. The light was reflecting of the Robe, like it was made of plastic instead of cloth. I tried to speak and noticed I could not, not could I move, my ears felt like they were filling with liquid and began to Ring very loud. Then a Bass began to pulse through my body, and I fell over like a block of wood(from my seated position). The figure when I first saw it had it's hands outstretched towards me. But when I spun around it slowly lowered it arms, when I was fully paralyzed it walked out of my field of vision. I was very shaken by the experience, I'm 34 now and can clearly remember everything about those few seconds.
@@WilliamMoses355 Ezekiel 1:15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. I've never seen a saucer, or a Tiktak craft but it's not totally unreasonable to think that Ezekiel my describe a saucer as a wheel.
Sorry my friend but this video especially the early section full of discussion on a multiple incarnation is it seems to me directly against church councils especially the condemnations against Origen
He only mentions them briefly, but Neanderthals are an interesting subject. They were a different species, but they were basically like us. Neanderthals arose in the Middle East and Europe and were there long before homo sapiens ventured out of Africa. They were genetically close enough to interbreed with the homo sapiens coming out of Africa and acted pretty similar. They were good at making tools, they took care of the infirm, they buried their dead, and they're now thought to have been perfectly capable of speech. In fact, the more archeologists find out about Neanderthals, the more they have to tweak and adjust the "Out of Africa" theory to make it work. Bones have been found in Israel and Greece that are much older than when anatomically modern humans were thought to have migrated out of Africa, so scientists have had to say there were multiple waves of migration. There's also the Denisovans, which are even older than the Neanderthals. They lived around Russia and China and migrated down to southeast Asia. It's pretty funny to watch scientists bend over backwards to try to make their theory hold up. From a purely evolutionary stance, it seems much more likely that multiple human species developed independently from one another.
Wow. I have been thinking this exact same thing recently. Research Aleister Crowly and his sex magick working. He supposedly summoned a being and drew a picture of it. It looks just like a big headed alien.
Also 2 of Crowly’s disciples were Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard. Parsons founded Jet Propulsion Lab and started modern rocketry. Hubbard founded Scientology. Parsons also supposedly opened a portal to summon a being(Babylon I believe). After that ufo sightings and contact exploded in US
Jaques Vallee, John Keel and other absolute leaders in this subject have come to the conclusion that UFOs are spiritual and not physical. Even the crash material, implants and other physical objects are not really what we think. They also believe these entities are EVIL and creating a massive deception of some kind. And these are agnostics. Why are Catholics the only Christians buying into this fraud? Just about every non-Catholic preacher is warning about it loud and clear. There is no room or time for theological discussion on this. Warn your loved ones!
I think this area of discussion does nothing to shore up one's faith or would even guide one toward the faith. Thought experiments are useless if they don't guide us to Christ and salvation. We have the saints to help us and provide examples of how to live holy lives. (had to stop the video at 24 minutes; I couldn't justify spending 3 hours on this topic). @MJK2600, great comment!
There could be some who are interested in this type stuff. We all have different interests! I’ve always leaned toward there are ‘aliens’ that could be fallen ‘angels’ to lead us away from God.
I actually just finished tye audiobook of Project Hail Mary the night before watching this interview. Absolutely recommend this book, very interesting and well written science fiction
The nature of the issue seems to create the kind of fear and confusion consistent with demons spiritual attacks. Enough weirdness to cause fear but still entice human curiosity and distract. Demonic manifestation to non believers seems the most rational explanation to me.
I know what you are saying…I often get those uneasy feelings around certain topics. Your statement reminded me what our lady of Medjugoree said early on when asked about life on other planets…she said that’s not for you to know right now….maybe now is the time since that has been almost 40 years ago…either way…guess she probably doesn’t want us worried about them. St Padre Pio allegedly said, of course there is. I believe there is I guess do to St Padre Pios remarks…it’s just likely that a God who is infinite in all directions and who loves variety would probably most likely have other creations. May God bless you
I am an atheist and I consider it difficult that with the hypothetical discovery of other intelligent species, free and capable of ethical decisions, the Christian faith can sustain the story of "a creation of the universe that culminates in the human species", that "the incarnation of God has occurred in the human species to give us the fullness of its revelation", that "the original sin of the human being has brought chaos to all creation", including the civilizations of other species, that "the final judgment in which God separates good humans from bad, includes the destruction of the rest of the universe", etc. However, I admire Catholicism's openness towards this "aliens" thing and I just look forward to seeing how they explain that, once again, the holy spirit corrects the interpretation that the infallible church in matters of faith had held for two millennia.
But Christianity already posits the existence of other created beings like angels and demons who are capable of ethical decisions. The existence of other intelligent creatures don't have to change the primacy of humans that is meant by "a creation of the universe that culminates in the human species". In Catholic teaching Mary has the rank even higher than angels which serves as a perfect example how a woman from Nazareth transcends much earlier and highly more capable creatures. "The fullness of Revelation" is about God's nature in sacrifical love and the special relationship the humans have with God in Christ, revealed in human history through human race, for human race. So, even if aliens were more advanced than humans in many ways, they might not be morally as advanced as humans which is in the core of likeness with God. And even if they were, God has always had His Chosen people, in Old Testament it was the nation of Israel from all other kingdoms and after Christ it was the Catholic Church from other religions. In similar way, the human race can be seen the chosen people, the priestly species, from other intelligent species in the universe. This is why I think it's reasonable to say that no Christian teaching is really contradicted even though our personal understanding of the limits of the God's creation expands if we happen to find extraterrastial life.
I would absolutely LOVE to hear a follow up episode with someone like Jeremy Corbell with whom to discuss this from a secular perspective together with a faith based perspective ❤
Wow...I tried to read Paul's book on Spiritual Warfare and couldn't figure out why it did not resonate with me. After viewing this video, it all makes sense. The perspective he outlines here is totally unconvincing and terribly wanting. He accepts as fact issues that are hardly proven and are taken more on faith than actual faith. He concedes way too much to the materialist accepting their assumptions and claims and working to contort Faith to fit within these secular priors.
Agree, I can't wait until we exceed 19th century materialist thinking @Matt Fradd please have Dr Robert Sungenis on to discuss his geocentric theory it's not bunkers!
Absolutely. Paul is shoehorning the materialistic ideology of space men into the Faith, all while being totally unconvincing to anybody who has researched this stuff more than on wikipedia. The history of NASA, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, etc. is wholly mixed up with the demon worshipping Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons and even L. Ron Hubbard. It's like Paul stepped out of the 90's without reading up on how deep and sophisticated the "alien" rabbit hole goes.
Sorry at 15:24 there is a serious error. Humani Generis is referring to bodily immortality that was gratuitous to man not the immortal soul. So then what Fradd says is important to understand about Aquinas and his distinction about rational souls. Adam lost bodily immortality but not the immortality of the soul.
The passage I refer to is Humani Generis 26. It rejects the claim of those who "“destroy the gratuity of the supernatural order, since God, they say, cannot create intellectual beings without ordering and calling them to the beatific vision.” No reference here to the immortality of the body; it's talking about the Beatific Vision. I could be wroing, but that seems rather clear to me.
@@paulthigpen2342 but this passage does not treat the immortality of the human soul, but rather it’s ordering to the beatific vision. It’s conceivable that a creature could be created which has an immaterial soul that survives death and yet is not ordered to the beatific vision (for example, they could be in a limbo-like state post-mortem)
I was a child of the early space age. When in fourth grade, Father dropped into our classroom to say hi and answer questions. I raised my hand to ask if, when Jesus died on the cross, did he also save people on other planets. He bolted! Since then, CS Lewis dealt with the idea in his "Out of the Silent Planet" series and Michael D. O'Brien also gave me something to think about in "Voyage to Alpha Centauri". Who knew Thomas Aquinas had addressed it? This conversation is fascinating.
Padre Pio is my absolute FAVORITE saint, but he was wrong about garabandal. He told a blind man who asked if it was really the Blessed Mother and not a demon and he told him that it was she. Wrong. None of the “miracles” and promises that were supposed to happen there never came true. It was totally not the Blessed Mother, but padre pio thought it was.
it is church doctrine that Christ didn't have a physical nature before His incarnation through Mary and that He didn't suffer again after He got His resurrection body. A second incarnation elsewhere where He suffered and died would seem to contradict that.
The human mind is microscopic in comparison to the mind of God. Of course you don't understand how that would work with Jesus in other places in the galaxy, it is because you think in human terms. People put God in their little box. God does not think like a man. Man is still very primitive even tho he thinks he isn't.
I suggest everyone watch the documentary of devout Catholic Charles Hall and his encounters on a desert airforce base in USA when he was in the Air Force and tasked with checking weather stations on the base. Charles is now a physicist. The documentary is called Walking with the Tall Whites, He also kept a diary and drew pictures immediately after his encounters
I do... The mere fact of how and why it happened and that there would be another species on another planet created by God that also was in need of a savior to take on the form of the species in order to save them does not even seem rationale. And I am sorry, but Our Blessed Mother has NEVER spoken of any of this as she has been appearing on Earth, under many Motherly titles since her Assumption!! she has revealed many secrets that are vital to our salvation. If this were of any importance, she would have made sure that we were certain of it. Also, she is the Queen of Heaven. There is ONLY ONE HEAVEN. So if she is the Queen of Heaven, than she is the Queen and Mother of all races/species. Wouldn't she discuss this with us as she has many other things concerning salvation. I believe this is all rhetoric to cause many errors in the church, questions of faith and distraction from the real work of saving spuls that God has called us all to do as one united species... Anything that speaks to other species needing an "incarnation" also would reduce the role of our Blessed Mother. These are just open doors and invitations for herecy, doubting in faith and Satan's plan to again downplay the sacredness of humanity and especially the role of our Blessed Mother. There is ONLY ONE MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!
@@braydendantin1545 To incarnate more than once is to reincarnate. Only one Jesus Christ and savior. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ... An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.” - Max Planck, Nobel Prize Laureate, Scientific autobiography, 1950, p. 33, 97
My husband was an AirForce and then comercial pilot for almost 35 years and he’s seen many things that have been described by other pilots that have come out. Not just him but the others in the crew. Back then he’d been called crazy and then fired 🤷🏻♀️
Are we all crazy? This sounds just like an Art Bell interview. I find it incredible that Mr. Pints with Aquinas 55:34 follow along with this concept. All these aliens must be incredibly stupid if they can fly around and still have us believe in them and yet we strive to believe they could remain undetected.
Love the conversation, haven't finished it yet. One issue I have is with that Matt already expressed, how is the government so skilled at covering the tracks? There was the mentioned case in Brasil, but that was also apparently handled by the US government? Ok, I can imagine that the US government is fiercly protective of it's airspace and is able to keep a watchful eye on various incidents. But that's the US. I'm from Europe. Is my country's goverment so skilled as well? Governments in Asia and Africa also? Sounds unbelievable. And I say this while being open to the possibility of alien life.
and as we have all seen, the government isn't exactly competent (for any extended period of time at best) at even basic governance, so how exactly do you expect me to believe that they have kept a lid on UFOs for the past 70 years? I was listening to this one guy during the period a couple of years ago when they were releasing all of these UFO documents and he seemed to think that the government's are likely going to stage a false alien invasion in order to achieve a global government.
The US has every third world country under "control" (influence and/or direct political dependence). There's a giant web of US based think tanks with overseas seats to form and direct politicians and lawmakers in all those countries. So authorities on those countries turn the blind eye on this matters. The pentagon works alongside big bankers and the Federal Reserve to appoint resources for this. This practice is called "neocolonialism". The UK and France have similar practices in place.
I got no stake in this, aliens are just a whimsical cool thing for me to think about when I’m bored but I remember hearing that it could be that many countries have already their own info but there’s some agreement on how this info should break out and who should go first because a lot of places don’t know what to do with the info ir have the infrastructure to deal with the consequences
I'm surprised that the simple problem of distance was never addressed. Unless Einstein was wrong and it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light, it seems that the possibility of there being a habitable planet close enough to make the trip is pretty slim. And even if it were possible to travel within, say, 1 mph of the speed of light, there's still the problem of time slowing down. I ain't no astrophysicist, but as I recall, if a craft travelled from only 100 light years away at just short of the speed of light, only a few moments would pass for those on board the craft, but when they got back to their home planet, 200 years would have passed. Can any astrophysicists help me out here?
There are any number of ways to lean on the numbers. Maybe they cryogenically freeze themselves for long trips, or they just live as long as tortoises. Maybe Einstein was just wrong somehow (probably the least likely option in this list). A lot of sci-fi have speculated on a ludicrously big-picture level about ways to create shortcuts through space, in order to make the trip instantly (Stargate, Thor, Eclipse Phase) or shorter (Babylon 5, Star Wars). Maybe it wasn't all that far for them, if they normally live in the ocean (The Abyss, another improbable possibility) or some other dimension (Indiana Jones IV, definitely the worst movie on this list). I'm not arguing they're definitely here, just saying that "They're not here because we haven't figured out how they did it," is just a less racist version of "Ancient people couldn't have built these sites, because we can't figure out how they did it."
Richard Baris experienced an encounter with a craft, and his account was scrutinized on livestream by two behavioral analysts/interrogators. He reported that just before the craft accelerated, there began visual distortions in front of its "hull". It reminded me of the theoretical Alcubierre drive, in which spacetime is expanded behind and contracted in front, but the craft remains in flat spacetime, thus unaffected by time dilation, G forces, etc. I know that Bob Lazar has speculated that the propulsion systems on the crafts he saw probably manipulated gravity so as to create "troughs" or "wells" in any direction, which the craft "slides" into. Interesting stuff.
(not an astrophysicist, but I have a significant background in physics) While Einstein was correct that nothing can travel through space faster than the speed of light, it turns out that distances can still change faster than the speed of light. This is why there are galaxies that are receding away from us at faster than the speed of light. The galaxies themselves are not moving faster than the speed of light, but the space between us and the galaxies is expanding so fast that light from the Earth would never be able to reach those particular galaxies. There are theoretical proposals to harness this ability of space to expand (and contract) this quickly (see the Alcubierre drive and its derivatives/improvements). The main issue is that such proposals require enormous amounts of energy to work (well beyond our current capabilities) and some proposals even require "negative energy" (which may or may not exist). However, the proposals are being slowly improved, such that we don't actually know what are the practical limits regarding space travel.
How do we get around Denzinger 717c (3): "That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man." Seems like a bit of a problem.
regarding around 23:20 and people who reject faith/religion but keep their desire for the transcendent, etc.... Is anyone else absolutely floored how many dark, really dark movies and series are coming out?? ... Lucifer, Dark Moon...just watching the trailers makes my soul shudder and sense the demonic.
"GLUE" conversations! God, Life, Universe & Everything LOL, I Love It! One argument for why there would be no other inhabited worlds is to say that other human-like beings would also be likely to fall, necessitating another episode of Christ sacrificing his life to save them also. Since this would be a second act of infinite mercy & merit, and a problem for divine foresight, it simply would not be done. Worse, if generations after "Adam" a later person would fall, how would mercy and justice be able to discriminate between the guilty and the innocent? A second created world just ruins the whole scheme of Cosmological history. Thus, either there were aliens before we messed it up (Angels, etc), or there are none. But it appears that the Angels are not "human-like" enough to call them "aliens" in our sense of rational, civilized, mortal (perhaps) beings who live on other planets. So, NO, no other worlds. Unless, of course, Jesus likes to suffer on crosses, which makes no sense at all. Absolutely, He could have. But why do it?
not necessary, Jesus didn't die on the cross to save the angels. If these beings had perfect knowledge and perfect free will then there would be no point of Jesus dying for them. Not to mention we don't know enough to know that they wouldn't need salvation in another form from God.
I don't really have an opinion on whether or not aliens exist, but I do know that when you see something you cannot explain in the sky you get a really weird feeling in the pit of your stomach. I happened to witness a Starlink train soon after launch months ago before I knew how they look. It was like a line of lit-up geese flying silently at night and I nearly freaked out. Of course Google came to the rescue and I calmed down but still felt a little amazed. Just the other day my brother-in-law excitedly shared his crazy ufo experience of seeing what I knew was the same starling launch line and I enjoyed listening to him share the feelings that I had. Then I told him what they were, and he looked up videos on Google.
I had the same experience with the Starlink only a few weeks ago. It was a starry night and I was walking along a gravel path between the woods and a tall cornfield. So yeah, the X-Files vibe was complete, and I had the same weird emotion you described; the scary but awesome sensation of seeing something utterly new.
So "Google came to the rescue". 🤣 I can only presume that you accept what Google AI tells you as facts. That's a decidedly dangerous route to the truth on any important issues of the day given the iron fist they have around strict censorship! Please, Think!
@@StoaoftheSouth waste of time and energy. Life is short. We might die tonight and have to answer to Jesus. Philippians 3:8 I regard everything as loss because of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For His sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and I regard them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
I’m a Catholic with a strong faith in God. According to what I understand, St-Thomas of Aquinas discussed the gap that exists between the lowest order of Angels and the highest intelligent human beings that would be explained by alien civilizations constrained into material really like us but far more advanced in terms of capabilities. Michio Kaku talks about the many levels of civilization 0, 1, 2, and 3. What do you think of that? According to my understanding, there would be several orders of consciousness: - Inert material at the quantum level - Vegetation level - Animal level - Human-level (Level 0 civilization) - Level 1 civilization (capable of dealing with planet mass and energy balance) - Level 2 civilization (capable of dealing with solar system mass and energy balance) - Level 3 civilization (capable of dealing with galaxy mass and energy balance) - Level 4 civilization (capable of dealing with dark matter dark energy balance) - Something in between? - Third Sphere of Angles - Angels - Archangels - Principalities or Rulers - Second Sphere - Powers or Authorities - Virtues or Strongholds - Dominions or Lordships - First Sphere - Thrones - Cherubim - Seraphim - Trinity - Holy Spirit, the Person birthed from The Father and The Son - The Son, The Word of God, Eternally Begotten from The Father - The Eternal Father who Is ever Was and will ever Be
I have been some kind of Christian my whole life, but I was raised in the country, around a lot of military and loved learning about science, space and faith. I have just about always believe in Aliens, especially recently, as the governments and public have become more comfortable with the subject. Not little green men, though. I also think it's safe to say that higher dimensional beings are a given with our understanding of physics and theology seperately.
They are demons ! If we read Blessed Catherene Emmerich she said after Lucifer along with his angels rebelled and lost, they became demons. Seeing this transformation into becoming horrid demons a section of the demons repented and asked for mercy however God said No and they go to hell on the Last day. God did show some mercy on them though as instead of sending them to the pit He flung them over galaxies and they are called fallen angels or aliens. Some were flung in the surface of the earth and called Reptilians who have since made base under Antarctica. These shapeshifters have assimilated themselves amongst us.
Not true. Please read my detailed response above refuting the notion of intelligent life anywhere in the universe except on Earth based on pure science alone and fortified by Scripture.
So if there are other rational, immortal beings among the stars, with corresponding figures of the Second Person of the Trinity with respective natures (for us, a human nature), would God desire for all of the cosmic religions to be as one, just as He desires His Church to be one coherent whole?
This sounds like complete and total heresy to me. It sounds like it goes against everything that is true about Marian consecration/devotion, truth, beauty, goodness, and our roles/importance in the universe. Of course having several children would not take the love away from one. But that is not the case with their being aliens in the universe. The case with their being aliens in the universe would be like if a father had another family he didn't tell his first family about, and when the first family finds out he says: "Hey! Just because I have another family that I didn't tell you about doesn't mean I don't love you guys! C'mooon, we good??"
I like the episode. I get the skepticism/DA on your part Matt, but the question you asked are very complicated and the answers will span several podcasts. I know this is a theological podcast, but in order to get a real understanding you need to review the history...but it does get quite convoluted quickly.
Doesn't really make sense for there to be aliens because God so l9ved the world he created he gave us his only son. We are also made in h8s image so what prey tell sort of image is an alien bas3d on?
I would love to see if we show with LA Marzulli, Jimmy church and Richard Dolan. And see how they can connect Christianity with the whole concept of space aliens UAP’s‘s UFOs. I just saw a program by One of the makers of countdown of the kingdom I forget to which guy it was. Did a short program saying that all space aliens are probably demonic. I watch this entire program and nothing was brought up on the concept of space aliens being demonic. I wish you guys would do another show and bring it to a deeper level of the possibilities of what is taking place that people are seeing and calling UFOs. I feel like we are seeing things all over the world that are hard to understand and I follow do you have a community pretty closely. Because I’d like to know the truth of what’s going on around me. I believe we have deep dark government programs that are doing experiments making craft the people do not understand what they’re saying. And it’s not even people from space but human beings playing with expensive and experimental spacecraft that is top-secret. I don’t know where I stand on believing in other human like beings in space but I do believe if they’re out there we should be called to baptize them as the Bible says we should baptize all creatures. Anyway this is some of my thoughts. I felt the show didn’t get as deep as I was hoping that you would get into the concept of aliens in Christianity I feel like you just barely skim the surface and at the end of the show you kind of lost talking about the subject and started meandering to other things. But thank you for at least attempting to put a show like this together I think there is a lot of lost Christians believing that space aliens could be new saviors of the world and this needs to come to a close I don’t think extraterrestrials are going to be a better savior to human beings. I believe we are to bring Jesus to the ET community not the other way around.
The video is called "Imminent Alien & UFO Deception -- Exorcist Fr. Dan Reehil & Daniel O'Connor -- Resist The Coming Lie". BTW, they didn't say that an "alien appearance" would "probably" be demonic, they said that it would definitely be demonic, because alien life is IMPOSSIBLE, and even went so far as to say that claiming otherwise would be contrary to the Catholic faith. This disagreement is going to be more than a little interesting. I have the highest possible respect for both Daniel and Matt, but both sides are so dug in that it looks like we're headed for the Gunfight at the OK Corral.
@@Danaluni59 Demons and fallen angels could be two different things. Demons could be the cursed spirits of the nephilim in Noah's time, searching for bodies to take over to partake in their vices. Where as fallen angels are fallen angels.
Regarding whether or not extra-terrrestrials exist, and whether Christ's atonement would be efficacious for other planets and their inhabitants, I believe that my faith answers both of those questions. God is omnipotent, and He does fill creation with His good works. I don't spend any time, therefore, worrying about aliens. 🙂 I invite you to look in Alma 34:10, and D&C 76:24.
I don’t think we can be certain this was a quote from Padre Pio. Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the only incarnate rational creations are humans, and hence they can only know God. (Angels are rational but they are not incarnate - they don’t have a physical body). Search up Daniel O’Conner, he has some TH-cam videos and good blog pages on this topic.
Didn't Jesus Christ die once, and God created the earth the planet's etc. and called it all good. Man created by God was called very good, as we are created in his own image. It seems the universe was created for human's, maybe to ponder and think how great is God.
Gratuity of immortality does not negate that a rational natures implies and is required for immortality. The reason is that a rational nature itself is a gratuity. Immortality and reason are two ways of looking at the same one gratuity, like two sides of a coin or the exterior and interior angles of 180 degrees (the various aspects of one geometric figure).
A lot of people can bend over backwards (depending on age) but holding that position and sticking your tongue out would be hard as when you bend over backwards like that your legs want to automatically follow to put you back up straight again, we used to do that when we were kids and it was called Crabs bend as we used to see who could walk the furthest in that position.
Hey all help me out, @ 15:07 in the discussion Dr. Thigpen claims that Humani Generis argues that immortality is a gratuitous gift and that as such a rational creature might not also have the gift of immortality. What paragraph could he be referencing in Humani Generis??
It becomes obvious that neither of these individuals have heard Richard Doty interview and continue walking back and forth on catholic history and faith. Maybe time to plan your religious exit should it be established that a true almighty does exist and actually lives in the constellation ???
Question for those here. How do we know that all of this _isn't_ synonymous with Angels/Demons. I'm genuinely curious in that regard. It is a matter of semantics, but in the end could "alien"=angel/demon? Why or why not?
I think under one interpretation, sure, we could say that angels fall within the definition of "alien", if by "alien" all we mean is a "creature of God that isn't originating from Earth". But if by "alien" we mean to specify something that shares in the property of having a material body, like cows and humans do, then angels wouldn't fit that criterion, since angels are spirit only. And I think usually when people speculate about 'aliens', what they're trying to speculate about is something that has a physical body in the same way that humans and cows (and ravens and whales) have physical bodies.
Demons are spiritual beings but can manifest in the physical world and theoretically could take on any form they want. (Jesus permitting) Scripture tells us of angels taking on a physical human form and demons possessing humans. So any alien sighting could possibly be a demon however it seems to be a bit of a stretch to say demons if the alien leaves behind technology or even a dead alien body.
@@johnbeyerym2771 Agreed it's a stretch. I personally like Jimmy Akin's interpretive approach that a phenomenon should always be taken at face value unless we have evidence to the contrary. So, when I pass my neighbour in the hallway, I should assume she's my neighbour, not the CIA in a rubber mask, or an alien using holographic technology, or an angelic being presenting in human form, even though a novelist could make up any of those scenarios. Or if a mysterious phenomenon manifests as a haunting, with rattling chains and the sound of "ooOOoooOOohhhhh..." we should examine the evidence for and against it being a haunting, but not jump to "aliens" as one of the primary theories needing examination, even though a novelist could construct a scenario in which aliens imitated a human haunting to amuse themselves. Or if someone claims they were taken aboard an alien spaceship and probed by aliens, we should examine the evidence for and against aliens, and not jump to "demons" as one of the primary theories, even though a novelist could technically frame demons as having tried to give humans an impression of aliens, etc. Like, many things are _technically_ possible (on at least a theoretical level, even if not everything actually happens). But technical theoretical possibility isn't evidence in favour of a theory more exotic than the actual evidence points us toward, and it's typically best to follow the actual evidence where it points. (I say "typically" only because sometimes the point of a conversation may be "fun", not real truth-seeking, and okay, if buddies are just trying to have a fun "what-if" conversation about aliens masquerading as ghosts or something, I won't be the buzz-kill unless they start to take it seriously.)
@@caterinadc5567 Yes! Jimmy Akin does an excellent job covering this material. Have you seen his episode on Alien Implants #80 ? It is really fascinating.
This is an interesting topic and I make this comment without having watched the entire video. But perhaps the Dr Paul could address what I see as the most fundamental flaw in the concept of rational aliens which is polygenism which goes against the Church teachings. Pope Pius XII in 1950 specifically addressed the problem of polygenism in the Encyclical Humani Generis: [T]he Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter…..When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own (Humani Generis, 36-37). Alien lifeforms would contradict this teaching of the Church as they would not be men or rational creatures that took their natural generation through Adam. Whether these creatures are born here on earth or on another planet is irrelevant to this fundamental teaching.
Didn't they address this, though, in the discussion about rational souls? Pope Pius XII excludes, in this quote, the possibility of the existence of "true men" who didn't take their origin from Adam, but Neanderthals, aliens, and other hominids aren't true men in the sense of Adam. It's the same explanation I've seen regarding the other humans encountered by Cain and the possibility of theistic evolution.
1:23:30: Matt,it’s ok. It’s an exercise in faith that “ Men will always be mad. And the maddest of all are those who would try to cure them”. Voltaire.
👽Do aliens exist?
I think it's statistically probable that they do somewhere -- the universe is a really, really big place. What I'm unsure of is whether said aliens would be in a form that we can possibly interact with. After all, these would be creatures descending from an entirely different evolutionary tree than ours. That means no common evolutionary ancestor that we inherit eyes, mouths, arms, etc from. There is no guarantee they'd resemble anything, even in the slightest way, to any form of life we know of on Earth.
That being said, nothing is impossible with God, and this separate evolutionary tree could produce a rational species, given an immortal soul by God, that we could communicate with intelligently. The probability of that is so low, in my opinion, that I would call it an absolute miracle.
There was a French scholar or psychologist that made a great observation on Aliens and poltergeist from people who supposedly experience these phenomenons there pretty much the same just one see the alien and the other doesn't. I personally do not believe aliens exist in the way Hollywood portrays but if the do exist and people are experiencing these terrors my conclusion is that their demons. I'm not sure if the movie the four kind is based on true stories or events but I seen the movie when I was not a believer but I remember thinking these aliens where a bit cynical and demonic.
If they don't have lightsabers I'll be very disappointed
No
If anything it’s demonic distraction
This is fascinating. As a catholic I always struggled with this topic and reconciling it with my belief knowing the available evidence. Thank you. This helped my faith and put to rest many of my anxieties and questions about it.
You should read Daniel O’Connor’s Only Man Bears His Image.
I know for a fact that Matt Walsh is nerding out over this video right now.
Matt Walsh is the man.
SBG for life
Who is Matt Walsh?
@@PadraigTomas a political commentator from the Daily Wire. He's also a disciple of Christ and discusses theology a decent bit. He's been on Pints before.
@@PadraigTomas The author of the excellent book "Church of Cowards", children's author of "Johnny the Walrus," and behind the powerful documentary/movie "What is a Woman?"
If you are someone who would rather not watch news everyday, I totally get it. But he's worth checking out. At least read Church of Cowards.
All part of A GREAT DECEPTION... To get people to Abandon their true faith in Christ!
Catholic Catechism 356: “Of all visible creatures only man is "able to know and love his creator".He is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake",and he alone is called to share, by knowledge and love, in God's own life. It was for this end that he was created, and this is the fundamental reason for his dignity.”
Ordinary magisterium isn't infallible. That's right as far as we know. There could be other rational creatures created and loved by God.
Point being that the Magisterium teaches the truths found, explicitly or implicitly, in the Deposit of Faith (Tradition and Scripture). Nothing outside of the Deposit of Faith can be taught by the Magisterium, even under the non-infallible Ordinary Magisterium.
St Paul warns : “For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears” 2 Timothy 4.
@@nicolasignacioarancibiagod2865 It's indefectible though
My grandpa was in Tianjin, China working on an airbase as a Marine at the end of WWII. He was a staunch Catholic, but what happened there made him sure there were things in the air. Pilots would go up and fly and come back spooked and report other craft much faster than them that had lights and could move in ways planes at the time could not. Higher ups came in and threatened everyone to stop talking about it and had to shut them up. He had a friend that was a priest that stayed behind after the communists came through and they had to leave. He said his friend was probably martyred.
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The Question Either way is: Are The Aliens Roman Catholic ? Fact , is Claimed they Helped ww2 Germany
Cosmos 3:40 Sagan PBS Series , Music SoundTrack Good
Do we have footage of that ? 1:12:06 ya , ya , ... and ... well not Here ... , it's out there somewhere ... oh ... : ) hehe
@@massudddecat7449Sure.... If they were the fallen ones!! 💯%!! If you think the "aliens" were "Roman Catholic",then you are claiming something really,really awful for anyone Roman Catholic. Hitler only believed in GOD as Satan does. He wanted to kick GOD out of control,and he was ambitious as Satan!! ( And a total TOOL of Lucifer/ now Satan)🤨......
Thigpen says that Humani Generis holds that it's possible for a rational creature to not be immortal. See c. 15:10 (mm:ss) of this video.
Thigpen should reread the document Humani Generis.
Pius XII does not say what Thigpen claims in this matter.
Rather, Pius XII disparaged the idea that God would have to grant the Beatific Vision to a rational creature out of some natural necessity in paragraph 26 of Humani Generis.
In paragraph 36, Pius XII asserts that souls are the immediate creation of God.
According to scholastic philosophy which Pius XII extols throughout the whole document, souls are spiritual substances, not having material parts, and thus not being able to be destroyed, i.e., immortal.
According to scholastic philosophy, the soul is the form of the human substance.
What makes a creature rational, is the fact that it possesses a soul. This is according to the same philosophy (scholasticism) that Pius XII extols in Humani Generis.
Thigpen is pretty off on this matter, to paint the situation euphemistically.
Thanks for bringing this topic up Matt. I think normal people naturally avoid weird topics like this, but with it being on the news more, it is important to address. People need to see faithful Catholics dealing with even weird topics like this because it can shake the faith of some
I enjoyed the subject matter and relaxed conversation. I don't believe in aliens at this time, but I do believe God is great and all powerful and He can do anything. All will be revealed in heaven ✨ Thank you for the entertaining conversation.
Cosmos 3:40 Sagan PBS Series , Music SoundTrack Good
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The Question Either way is: Are The Aliens Roman Catholic ? Fact , is Claimed they Helped ww2 Germany
He is VERY well informed on the UFO topics. Dates, names, he is clearly a serious thinker of note in the field.
You guys need to make a part 2 of this topic with the recent UFO hearing.
its useless, because they are all fake especially the recent ones that are just distractions to the wars going on and political decisions.
Science fiction writer Ray Bradbury wrote a short story called "The Fire Balloons" about a sentient alien race that never fell from grace because they are incorporeal beings...in other words, they are unable to sin. When they came into contact with humans, their sinfulness and suffering traumatizes them. The story is found in the anthology, "The Illustrated Man". There is another story in the same anthology called, "The Man", in which we learn that Jesus is visiting other planets with His message of hope and peace.
I don't believe Christ would become incarnate in another species. This seems like it is offensive to pious ears to me. I'm with Matt that Mary has a particular dominion over the universe and that it is taught by the church that she is the highest of all creation. Our faith doesn't teach us to leave room for multiple mothers of Christ who sit at the right hand of God. What does that mean for her title as spouse of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit has other spouses too? Again, this is offensive to pious ears.
Matt, it would be interesting to interview Dr Daniel O'Connor.
I second this! It's all a huge lie the elites are preparing us for. They are in league with demons. It's hard not to get frustrated when Paul and Matt are genuinely curious, but the worst people imaginable are responsible for the "UFO" phenomenon. Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, etc. All satanists involved in the space program.
YES! Thank you!
Preach! Man, he'd a have a thing or two to say about this conversation 😂😂
Doesn’t his involvement with the Divine Will stuff make you guys a little uneasy? It looks an awful lot like heresy.
Not at all, you may only be familiar with old information. Luisa Piccarreta is fully approved and in fact her spiritual director is a canonized saint.
Please have Daniel O’Connor on. He debunks many reckless untruths of Thigpen, Akin, Pasulka and other “Catholic experts”in his book “Only Man Bears His Image.”
I agree! Just got his book for Christmas and it refutes all of this. I’m a Protestant and love seeing that some of my Catholic brothers and sisters are seeing through this nonsense!
This is absolutely shocking. I can’t believe Matt Frad talking about an alien Virgin Mary. Disgusting
Very interesting, so we say obviously that Christ is the King of the Angels which is a singular role and we say that Mary is Queen of the Angels... Should that be a singular role or could that be shared with others? What is the significance of being Queen of the Angels, what responsibilities and honors come with that and can those be shared with multiple beings unlike being King of the Angels is reserved for God alone.
Don’t we also - of necessity - force reported experiences into categories that fit our beliefs (as do the angels-are-aliens crowd)? I’m thinking particularly about people who report reincarnation / memories of past lives. We must dismiss them as either lies, delusions, or diabolic deception to avoid heresy. My point is that we are talking about things that can’t be subjected to any sort of test that can offer 100% certainty to someone who believes a paradigm that excludes the hypothesis in question. Aliens on the whitehouse lawn in nuts-and-bolts spacecraft holding x-rays of their anatomy won’t persuade Prof. Daniel O’Connor that they are not demons or perhaps some construct made by demons in collaboration with evil human conspirators. If angels descended from heaven amid clouds of glory the devout athiests would insist that those aliens have technologybso advanced that it looks like magic. That’s where for us and for them, faith has to bridge a gap. You have to decide who you ultimately trust, even more than your own lying eyes if necessary.
The Question Either way is: Are The Aliens Roman Catholic ? Fact , is Claimed they Helped ww2 Germany
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Well spoken. Agreed.
No. Please invite Daniel O'Connor on your show Matt. Please!
Yes, invite the guy who is suggesting he knows when the end times are coming and regularly overtly disrespects the pope 🙂
@@SuperMakoto13 both of those accusations are false. He speaks openly, why lie about him? He doesn't "disrespect" the pope he is very charitable when he points out his errors. How did Christ speak of the religious leaders of his time? 🤔 a lot more harshly that's for sure.
I would love a part 2! Bring this man back!
When dr. Thigpen refers to a Brazilian event, he's most definitely talking about the "incident" at Varginha (Minas Gerais), which happened almost 30 years ago, in 1996. Today, as we have got a bit of a distance from the case, several documents and elements from the investigation are coming to the surface, and the events are becoming more and more difficult to be refuted.
Brazil also has the most disturbing ufo incident on record, the Colares incident.
th-cam.com/video/VQjO8dcCDxU/w-d-xo.html
Is that the incident where there were several people killed? By something the locals called 'shupas'?
I think I heard an understandable mistake: equating St. Apollinaris with Apollinarius, who was the one behind the heresy of Apollinarianism that he mentioned. They aren’t the same person.
Have you ever heard of the story of St Anthony meeting a satyr while traveling in the desert, these stories have now become UFOS because that’s what we want, go figure.
Lets face the fact that there is a lot more to all this than what we know and keeping an open, enquiring mind is not herisy producing but merely an intelligent seeking of 'new' yet paradoxically 'ancient' infornation which involves God, includes Him as we all journey together incorporating new God given constructs as He reveals them to us and is revealing them to us. We can preserve and honour Him and still grow.
Need a debate between Dr. Thigpen and Daniel Day O'Connor on the existence of Aliens @pints with Aquinas
DW Palushka’s book “American Cosmic” ends up drawing many threads between Catholicism and the UFO phenomenon. Fascinating reading.
*Heretical Reading
Need to get Thigpen and Jimmy Akin together. Akin didn't see much in the Roswell incident.
I want multiple Akin and Thigpen interviews. *multiple*
@@shlamallama6433 wonderful prescription if one suffers from insomnia and desire to be misled as respects Akin.
Ah yes more evolution theory and aliens. That’s what catholic’s need to focus on!
@@Kingdom_Piano No need to focus on them. But definitely worthy of some wonder and investigation by faith and reason.
@@shlamallama6433 Maybe Akin will finally reveal that his super intelligence is due to the fact that he's an alien.
Another thought. The SETI search at OSU only found one signal by Jerry Ehman all those years on August 15, 1977 (Feast of the Assumption). Jerry was for real, he was my E-mag Theory prof at OSU. And The Radio Telescope antenna was developed and built by my second E-mag Theory J. D. Kraus. So, they were not sliuches in this area of study. I personally asked Kraus about "life out there" and his answer was that he had no evidence but said the universe was "really big." Fir me, i find no compelling reason to believe in ET. God is all i need. He far exceeds anything the Aliens can offer me. Anything not supported by God is simply a distraction to my faith and Satan would love to use this distraction to to steal my soul away from God's heaven.
This is a profound sentiment my friend. My search for ET led me back to Christ, funny enough, and today I would tend to agree with you that “ET” talk is in fact a distraction from God. Corrado Balducci (Pope John Paul II’s main spokesman) proclaimed from the Vatican that ET can and may exist, but all the same falls underneath God and the Divine and would not negate our faith. Bless you ❤🙏
With all do respect he seems to be the wrong person to write about this topic. He doesn't have philosophical precision when he speaks. Fr. Ripperger has spoken on this topic in other interviews. He thinks that they do not. He has seen possessed people shape shift, levitate. Angels have the capacity to materialize. Demons are fallen angels, they can materialize to deceive humans.
As a Catholic who had an "ET" encounter face to face, in my Atheist past. Mr. Thigpen's argument against angels in Ezekiel not possibly being "aliens" is very weak. The angels working in Scripture and the unexplainable movements of ET's do mesh together far better than he admits in this interview. ET simply means extra terrestrial, which angels and demons certainly fit.
Many angels or demons in scripture could probably be described as extraterrestrials. I would quibble strongly, though, with attempts to reduce the throne of God to a flying saucer, in spite of a superficial resemblance in Ezekiel 1.
@Ardigan M - would you mind going further into detail? I'm interested in your encounter experience.
Accept that angels are beings of pure spirit and have no physical form, no gender, and certainly no need for crafts to travel in.
@@shepherdessinthefray sure, I had just turned 20 years old a little over a week before. Alcohol was the only "drug" I had ever had up to that point. I was awoken by Blackhawks flying over my house, it was 7:20ish in the morning, light coming through my windows as it was June 12th. I lay in bed annoyed at the helicopters, I sleep on my stomach, I totally outside of my normal behavior spun around into my back very quickly and sat up. I never do this but for some reason I did it this morning. At the foot of my bed just off to the side a Humanoid Figure totally black and featureless, except for the very detailed Robe. It was also black, but had White writing on it and a tassel of some kind from the collar connecting to it's belt. The light was reflecting of the Robe, like it was made of plastic instead of cloth.
I tried to speak and noticed I could not, not could I move, my ears felt like they were filling with liquid and began to Ring very loud. Then a Bass began to pulse through my body, and I fell over like a block of wood(from my seated position). The figure when I first saw it had it's hands outstretched towards me. But when I spun around it slowly lowered it arms, when I was fully paralyzed it walked out of my field of vision.
I was very shaken by the experience, I'm 34 now and can clearly remember everything about those few seconds.
@@WilliamMoses355 Ezekiel 1:15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.
I've never seen a saucer, or a Tiktak craft but it's not totally unreasonable to think that Ezekiel my describe a saucer as a wheel.
What happens to
“The ONLY begotten Son of God” in Summa 7?
Sorry my friend but this video especially the early section full of discussion on a multiple incarnation is it seems to me directly against church councils especially the condemnations against Origen
Galatians 1:8 (ESV)
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Isn’t it Catholic dogma that Christ has Two Natures and to claim that He took on another type of nature to save an alien race is soooo heretical?
He only mentions them briefly, but Neanderthals are an interesting subject. They were a different species, but they were basically like us. Neanderthals arose in the Middle East and Europe and were there long before homo sapiens ventured out of Africa. They were genetically close enough to interbreed with the homo sapiens coming out of Africa and acted pretty similar. They were good at making tools, they took care of the infirm, they buried their dead, and they're now thought to have been perfectly capable of speech.
In fact, the more archeologists find out about Neanderthals, the more they have to tweak and adjust the "Out of Africa" theory to make it work. Bones have been found in Israel and Greece that are much older than when anatomically modern humans were thought to have migrated out of Africa, so scientists have had to say there were multiple waves of migration. There's also the Denisovans, which are even older than the Neanderthals. They lived around Russia and China and migrated down to southeast Asia. It's pretty funny to watch scientists bend over backwards to try to make their theory hold up. From a purely evolutionary stance, it seems much more likely that multiple human species developed independently from one another.
Funny how science always has to "tweak" its theories to satisfy man. The word of God, The Holy Bible never has nor will have to ever be tweaked.
Aliens are either fallen angels (aka the Watchers from the Book of Enoch) or a return of the Nephilim ("as it was in the days of Noah").
Wow. I have been thinking this exact same thing recently. Research Aleister Crowly and his sex magick working. He supposedly summoned a being and drew a picture of it. It looks just like a big headed alien.
That, my friend, is a truly troubling thought.
@@lukasmakarios4998 It is seems to just be some speculation from a guy
Any positive evidence for that, compa?
Also 2 of Crowly’s disciples were Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard. Parsons founded Jet Propulsion Lab and started modern rocketry. Hubbard founded Scientology. Parsons also supposedly opened a portal to summon a being(Babylon I believe). After that ufo sightings and contact exploded in US
they are evil spirits. the fallen .
Positive evidence for that?
@@StoaoftheSouth no positive. definitely negative though..
Jaques Vallee, John Keel and other absolute leaders in this subject have come to the conclusion that UFOs are spiritual and not physical. Even the crash material, implants and other physical objects are not really
what we think. They also believe these entities are EVIL and creating a massive deception of some kind. And these are agnostics. Why are Catholics the only Christians buying into this fraud? Just about every non-Catholic preacher is warning about it loud and clear. There is no room or time for theological discussion on this. Warn your loved ones!
I think this area of discussion does nothing to shore up one's faith or would even guide one toward the faith. Thought experiments are useless if they don't guide us to Christ and salvation. We have the saints to help us and provide examples of how to live holy lives. (had to stop the video at 24 minutes; I couldn't justify spending 3 hours on this topic). @MJK2600, great comment!
There could be some who are interested in this type stuff. We all have different interests!
I’ve always leaned toward there are ‘aliens’ that could be fallen ‘angels’ to lead us away from God.
I actually just finished tye audiobook of Project Hail Mary the night before watching this interview. Absolutely recommend this book, very interesting and well written science fiction
I love his book a Year with the Saints and read it daily!
The nature of the issue seems to create the kind of fear and confusion consistent with demons spiritual attacks. Enough weirdness to cause fear but still entice human curiosity and distract. Demonic manifestation to non believers seems the most rational explanation to me.
I know what you are saying…I often get those uneasy feelings around certain topics. Your statement reminded me what our lady of Medjugoree said early on when asked about life on other planets…she said that’s not for you to know right now….maybe now is the time since that has been almost 40 years ago…either way…guess she probably doesn’t want us worried about them. St Padre Pio allegedly said, of course there is. I believe there is I guess do to St Padre Pios remarks…it’s just likely that a God who is infinite in all directions and who loves variety would probably most likely have other creations. May God bless you
Why Matt? The CCC teaches no aliens, why would you waste anyones time?
As a Catholic myself, I can cite Jesus saying you are from this world; I am from above ..... think about that.
I am an atheist and I consider it difficult that with the hypothetical discovery of other intelligent species, free and capable of ethical decisions, the Christian faith can sustain the story of "a creation of the universe that culminates in the human species", that "the incarnation of God has occurred in the human species to give us the fullness of its revelation", that "the original sin of the human being has brought chaos to all creation", including the civilizations of other species, that "the final judgment in which God separates good humans from bad, includes the destruction of the rest of the universe", etc. However, I admire Catholicism's openness towards this "aliens" thing and I just look forward to seeing how they explain that, once again, the holy spirit corrects the interpretation that the infallible church in matters of faith had held for two millennia.
But Christianity already posits the existence of other created beings like angels and demons who are capable of ethical decisions. The existence of other intelligent creatures don't have to change the primacy of humans that is meant by "a creation of the universe that culminates in the human species". In Catholic teaching Mary has the rank even higher than angels which serves as a perfect example how a woman from Nazareth transcends much earlier and highly more capable creatures. "The fullness of Revelation" is about God's nature in sacrifical love and the special relationship the humans have with God in Christ, revealed in human history through human race, for human race. So, even if aliens were more advanced than humans in many ways, they might not be morally as advanced as humans which is in the core of likeness with God. And even if they were, God has always had His Chosen people, in Old Testament it was the nation of Israel from all other kingdoms and after Christ it was the Catholic Church from other religions. In similar way, the human race can be seen the chosen people, the priestly species, from other intelligent species in the universe. This is why I think it's reasonable to say that no Christian teaching is really contradicted even though our personal understanding of the limits of the God's creation expands if we happen to find extraterrastial life.
I would absolutely LOVE to hear a follow up episode with someone like Jeremy Corbell with whom to discuss this from a secular perspective together with a faith based perspective ❤
Wow...I tried to read Paul's book on Spiritual Warfare and couldn't figure out why it did not resonate with me. After viewing this video, it all makes sense. The perspective he outlines here is totally unconvincing and terribly wanting. He accepts as fact issues that are hardly proven and are taken more on faith than actual faith. He concedes way too much to the materialist accepting their assumptions and claims and working to contort Faith to fit within these secular priors.
Agree, I can't wait until we exceed 19th century materialist thinking @Matt Fradd please have Dr Robert Sungenis on to discuss his geocentric theory it's not bunkers!
he sucks.
... can you explain to me the difference between faith and faith?
I dont like this kind of disqours also MJK..good point
Absolutely. Paul is shoehorning the materialistic ideology of space men into the Faith, all while being totally unconvincing to anybody who has researched this stuff more than on wikipedia. The history of NASA, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, etc. is wholly mixed up with the demon worshipping Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons and even L. Ron Hubbard. It's like Paul stepped out of the 90's without reading up on how deep and sophisticated the "alien" rabbit hole goes.
Very disapointing the way demons are fooling faithful Catholics.
Congrats, you have now become Matt Fradd's Mysterious World. 🛸
LOL!
Aliens will be another government psyhop 😂
I've never cared much about whether aliens exist or not but this was a really fun discussion, especially the philosophical discussion for and against.
Mostly fun for the possibilities that could be. Otherwise, aliens are kinda boring.
Sorry at 15:24 there is a serious error. Humani Generis is referring to bodily immortality that was gratuitous to man not the immortal soul. So then what Fradd says is important to understand about Aquinas and his distinction about rational souls. Adam lost bodily immortality but not the immortality of the soul.
The passage I refer to is Humani Generis 26. It rejects the claim of those who "“destroy the gratuity of the supernatural order, since God, they say, cannot create intellectual beings without ordering and calling them to the beatific vision.” No reference here to the immortality of the body; it's talking about the Beatific Vision. I could be wroing, but that seems rather clear to me.
@@paulthigpen2342 but this passage does not treat the immortality of the human soul, but rather it’s ordering to the beatific vision. It’s conceivable that a creature could be created which has an immaterial soul that survives death and yet is not ordered to the beatific vision (for example, they could be in a limbo-like state post-mortem)
I was a child of the early space age. When in fourth grade, Father dropped into our classroom to say hi and answer questions. I raised my hand to ask if, when Jesus died on the cross, did he also save people on other planets. He bolted! Since then, CS Lewis dealt with the idea in his "Out of the Silent Planet" series and Michael D. O'Brien also gave me something to think about in "Voyage to Alpha Centauri". Who knew Thomas Aquinas had addressed it? This conversation is fascinating.
This guy is wrong shame shame ✝️🙏
Padre Pio is my absolute FAVORITE saint, but he was wrong about garabandal. He told a blind man who asked if it was really the Blessed Mother and not a demon and he told him that it was she. Wrong. None of the “miracles” and promises that were supposed to happen there never came true. It was totally not the Blessed Mother, but padre pio thought it was.
it is church doctrine that Christ didn't have a physical nature before His incarnation through Mary and that He didn't suffer again after He got His resurrection body. A second incarnation elsewhere where He suffered and died would seem to contradict that.
The human mind is microscopic in comparison to the mind of God. Of course you don't understand how that would work with Jesus in other places in the galaxy, it is because you think in human terms. People put God in their little box. God does not think like a man. Man is still very primitive even tho he thinks he isn't.
I suggest everyone watch the documentary of devout Catholic Charles Hall and his encounters on a desert airforce base in USA when he was in the Air Force and tasked with checking weather stations on the base. Charles is now a physicist. The documentary is called Walking with the Tall Whites, He also kept a diary and drew pictures immediately after his encounters
Something not right about Matt's guest.
Interesting conversation. However, I completely reject that the incarnation could have happened more than once.
Do you think it’s logically impossible for it to have happened more than once?
I do... The mere fact of how and why it happened and that there would be another species on another planet created by God that also was in need of a savior to take on the form of the species in order to save them does not even seem rationale. And I am sorry, but Our Blessed Mother has NEVER spoken of any of this as she has been appearing on Earth, under many Motherly titles since her Assumption!! she has revealed many secrets that are vital to our salvation. If this were of any importance, she would have made sure that we were certain of it. Also, she is the Queen of Heaven. There is ONLY ONE HEAVEN. So if she is the Queen of Heaven, than she is the Queen and Mother of all races/species. Wouldn't she discuss this with us as she has many other things concerning salvation. I believe this is all rhetoric to cause many errors in the church, questions of faith and distraction from the real work of saving spuls that God has called us all to do as one united species... Anything that speaks to other species needing an "incarnation" also would reduce the role of our Blessed Mother. These are just open doors and invitations for herecy, doubting in faith and Satan's plan to again downplay the sacredness of humanity and especially the role of our Blessed Mother. There is ONLY ONE MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!
. About 4 months ago at mass the priest made clear that you cannot believe in reincarnation and be christian Heb 9:27, Rom 6:9-10.
@@MrFrenchy777 reincarnation are Christ becoming incarnate at different times are two different things. I also reject reincarnation
@@braydendantin1545 To incarnate more than once is to reincarnate. Only one Jesus Christ and savior. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ...
An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.”
- Max Planck, Nobel Prize Laureate, Scientific autobiography, 1950, p. 33, 97
🎼LET ME CLEAR MY THROAT🎼
Years ago in Alaska I witnessed a craft like the one shown in Close Encounters.
My husband was an AirForce and then comercial pilot for almost 35 years and he’s seen many things that have been described by other pilots that have come out. Not just him but the others in the crew. Back then he’d been called crazy and then fired 🤷🏻♀️
Are we all crazy? This sounds just like an Art Bell interview. I find it incredible that Mr. Pints with Aquinas 55:34 follow along with this concept. All these aliens must be incredibly stupid if they can fly around and still have us believe in them and yet we strive to believe they could remain undetected.
You should get @DSDOConnor (Daniel O’Connor) on to discuss this topic!
Who’s listening to this after the recent UFO congressional hearings 😅
Love the conversation, haven't finished it yet.
One issue I have is with that Matt already expressed, how is the government so skilled at covering the tracks? There was the mentioned case in Brasil, but that was also apparently handled by the US government? Ok, I can imagine that the US government is fiercly protective of it's airspace and is able to keep a watchful eye on various incidents. But that's the US. I'm from Europe. Is my country's goverment so skilled as well? Governments in Asia and Africa also? Sounds unbelievable.
And I say this while being open to the possibility of alien life.
and as we have all seen, the government isn't exactly competent (for any extended period of time at best) at even basic governance, so how exactly do you expect me to believe that they have kept a lid on UFOs for the past 70 years? I was listening to this one guy during the period a couple of years ago when they were releasing all of these UFO documents and he seemed to think that the government's are likely going to stage a false alien invasion in order to achieve a global government.
The US has every third world country under "control" (influence and/or direct political dependence). There's a giant web of US based think tanks with overseas seats to form and direct politicians and lawmakers in all those countries. So authorities on those countries turn the blind eye on this matters. The pentagon works alongside big bankers and the Federal Reserve to appoint resources for this. This practice is called "neocolonialism". The UK and France have similar practices in place.
Give the secrets to Donald Trump, he will steal them and try to hide them (and you will all defend him)
I got no stake in this, aliens are just a whimsical cool thing for me to think about when I’m bored but I remember hearing that it could be that many countries have already their own info but there’s some agreement on how this info should break out and who should go first because a lot of places don’t know what to do with the info ir have the infrastructure to deal with the consequences
I'm surprised that the simple problem of distance was never addressed. Unless Einstein was wrong and it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light, it seems that the possibility of there being a habitable planet close enough to make the trip is pretty slim. And even if it were possible to travel within, say, 1 mph of the speed of light, there's still the problem of time slowing down. I ain't no astrophysicist, but as I recall, if a craft travelled from only 100 light years away at just short of the speed of light, only a few moments would pass for those on board the craft, but when they got back to their home planet, 200 years would have passed. Can any astrophysicists help me out here?
There are any number of ways to lean on the numbers. Maybe they cryogenically freeze themselves for long trips, or they just live as long as tortoises. Maybe Einstein was just wrong somehow (probably the least likely option in this list). A lot of sci-fi have speculated on a ludicrously big-picture level about ways to create shortcuts through space, in order to make the trip instantly (Stargate, Thor, Eclipse Phase) or shorter (Babylon 5, Star Wars). Maybe it wasn't all that far for them, if they normally live in the ocean (The Abyss, another improbable possibility) or some other dimension (Indiana Jones IV, definitely the worst movie on this list).
I'm not arguing they're definitely here, just saying that "They're not here because we haven't figured out how they did it," is just a less racist version of "Ancient people couldn't have built these sites, because we can't figure out how they did it."
If aliens are here they'd have been here for millions of years most likely.
Richard Baris experienced an encounter with a craft, and his account was scrutinized on livestream by two behavioral analysts/interrogators. He reported that just before the craft accelerated, there began visual distortions in front of its "hull". It reminded me of the theoretical Alcubierre drive, in which spacetime is expanded behind and contracted in front, but the craft remains in flat spacetime, thus unaffected by time dilation, G forces, etc. I know that Bob Lazar has speculated that the propulsion systems on the crafts he saw probably manipulated gravity so as to create "troughs" or "wells" in any direction, which the craft "slides" into. Interesting stuff.
There lots of things physics cannot explain, until it can...who knows?
(not an astrophysicist, but I have a significant background in physics) While Einstein was correct that nothing can travel through space faster than the speed of light, it turns out that distances can still change faster than the speed of light. This is why there are galaxies that are receding away from us at faster than the speed of light. The galaxies themselves are not moving faster than the speed of light, but the space between us and the galaxies is expanding so fast that light from the Earth would never be able to reach those particular galaxies. There are theoretical proposals to harness this ability of space to expand (and contract) this quickly (see the Alcubierre drive and its derivatives/improvements). The main issue is that such proposals require enormous amounts of energy to work (well beyond our current capabilities) and some proposals even require "negative energy" (which may or may not exist). However, the proposals are being slowly improved, such that we don't actually know what are the practical limits regarding space travel.
How do we get around Denzinger 717c (3): "That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man." Seems like a bit of a problem.
Aleister Crowley's "Spirit Guide", "Lam" that he sketched back around 1918 looks just like a grey alien...
Crowley's term for it was "holy gardian angle." Crowley woulda been damned the idea that he needs a guid.
Go read a book.
Talk about how the “Grays” are identical to the entity LAM that aleister Crowley interacted with and drew a picture of
regarding around 23:20 and people who reject faith/religion but keep their desire for the transcendent, etc.... Is anyone else absolutely floored how many dark, really dark movies and series are coming out?? ... Lucifer, Dark Moon...just watching the trailers makes my soul shudder and sense the demonic.
"GLUE" conversations!
God, Life, Universe & Everything
LOL, I Love It!
One argument for why there would be no other inhabited worlds is to say that other human-like beings would also be likely to fall, necessitating another episode of Christ sacrificing his life to save them also. Since this would be a second act of infinite mercy & merit, and a problem for divine foresight, it simply would not be done. Worse, if generations after "Adam" a later person would fall, how would mercy and justice be able to discriminate between the guilty and the innocent? A second created world just ruins the whole scheme of Cosmological history. Thus, either there were aliens before we messed it up (Angels, etc), or there are none. But it appears that the Angels are not "human-like" enough to call them "aliens" in our sense of rational, civilized, mortal (perhaps) beings who live on other planets.
So, NO, no other worlds. Unless, of course, Jesus likes to suffer on crosses, which makes no sense at all. Absolutely, He could have. But why do it?
not necessary, Jesus didn't die on the cross to save the angels. If these beings had perfect knowledge and perfect free will then there would be no point of Jesus dying for them. Not to mention we don't know enough to know that they wouldn't need salvation in another form from God.
This felt more like Matt doing an intervention than an interview.
Um … no
I don't really have an opinion on whether or not aliens exist, but I do know that when you see something you cannot explain in the sky you get a really weird feeling in the pit of your stomach.
I happened to witness a Starlink train soon after launch months ago before I knew how they look. It was like a line of lit-up geese flying silently at night and I nearly freaked out. Of course Google came to the rescue and I calmed down but still felt a little amazed.
Just the other day my brother-in-law excitedly shared his crazy ufo experience of seeing what I knew was the same starling launch line and I enjoyed listening to him share the feelings that I had. Then I told him what they were, and he looked up videos on Google.
I had the same experience with the Starlink only a few weeks ago. It was a starry night and I was walking along a gravel path between the woods and a tall cornfield. So yeah, the X-Files vibe was complete, and I had the same weird emotion you described; the scary but awesome sensation of seeing something utterly new.
So "Google came to the rescue". 🤣 I can only presume that you accept what Google AI tells you as facts. That's a decidedly dangerous route to the truth on any important issues of the day given the iron fist they have around strict censorship! Please, Think!
Andy Weir is my favorite author!! Project Hail Mary was excellent
Let's just focus on spreading the Good News through our witness of love and sacrifice
We can also ask other questions. You can do both.
Let's not get distracted. So many people are suffering in this world
@@clara.dewi_widya and nothing about that makes it wrong to ask these questions
@@StoaoftheSouth waste of time and energy. Life is short. We might die tonight and have to answer to Jesus. Philippians 3:8 I regard everything as loss because of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For His sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and I regard them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
@@clara.dewi_widya thank you for this verse. it has touch me in a way i'm not sure of yet.
I’m a Catholic with a strong faith in God. According to what I understand, St-Thomas of Aquinas discussed the gap that exists between the lowest order of Angels and the highest intelligent human beings that would be explained by alien civilizations constrained into material really like us but far more advanced in terms of capabilities. Michio Kaku talks about the many levels of civilization 0, 1, 2, and 3. What do you think of that? According to my understanding, there would be several orders of consciousness:
- Inert material at the quantum level
- Vegetation level
- Animal level
- Human-level (Level 0 civilization)
- Level 1 civilization (capable of dealing with planet mass and energy balance)
- Level 2 civilization (capable of dealing with solar system mass and energy balance)
- Level 3 civilization (capable of dealing with galaxy mass and energy balance)
- Level 4 civilization (capable of dealing with dark matter dark energy balance)
- Something in between?
- Third Sphere of Angles
- Angels
- Archangels
- Principalities or Rulers
- Second Sphere
- Powers or Authorities
- Virtues or Strongholds
- Dominions or Lordships
- First Sphere
- Thrones
- Cherubim
- Seraphim
- Trinity
- Holy Spirit, the Person birthed from The Father and The Son
- The Son, The Word of God, Eternally Begotten from The Father
- The Eternal Father who Is ever Was and will ever Be
@Matt Fradd please have Dr Robert Sungenis on to discuss his geocentric theory it's very interesting and not mad AT ALL
God chose Israel as His special people not because He loved others less but to accomplish His Will.
I have been some kind of Christian my whole life, but I was raised in the country, around a lot of military and loved learning about science, space and faith. I have just about always believe in Aliens, especially recently, as the governments and public have become more comfortable with the subject. Not little green men, though.
I also think it's safe to say that higher dimensional beings are a given with our understanding of physics and theology seperately.
They are demons !
If we read Blessed Catherene Emmerich she said after Lucifer along with his angels rebelled and lost, they became demons. Seeing this transformation into becoming horrid demons a section of the demons repented and asked for mercy however God said No and they go to hell on the Last day.
God did show some mercy on them though as instead of sending them to the pit He flung them over galaxies and they are called fallen angels or aliens. Some were flung in the surface of the earth and called Reptilians who have since made base under Antarctica. These shapeshifters have assimilated themselves amongst us.
Not true. Please read my detailed response above refuting the notion of intelligent life anywhere in the universe except on Earth based on pure science alone and fortified by Scripture.
So if there are other rational, immortal beings among the stars, with corresponding figures of the Second Person of the Trinity with respective natures (for us, a human nature), would God desire for all of the cosmic religions to be as one, just as He desires His Church to be one coherent whole?
Demonic activity has been severely underrated
This sounds like complete and total heresy to me. It sounds like it goes against everything that is true about Marian consecration/devotion, truth, beauty, goodness, and our roles/importance in the universe.
Of course having several children would not take the love away from one. But that is not the case with their being aliens in the universe. The case with their being aliens in the universe would be like if a father had another family he didn't tell his first family about, and when the first family finds out he says: "Hey! Just because I have another family that I didn't tell you about doesn't mean I don't love you guys! C'mooon, we good??"
I like the episode. I get the skepticism/DA on your part Matt, but the question you asked are very complicated and the answers will span several podcasts. I know this is a theological podcast, but in order to get a real understanding you need to review the history...but it does get quite convoluted quickly.
Doesn't really make sense for there to be aliens because God so l9ved the world he created he gave us his only son. We are also made in h8s image so what prey tell sort of image is an alien bas3d on?
I would love to see if we show with LA Marzulli, Jimmy church and Richard Dolan. And see how they can connect Christianity with the whole concept of space aliens UAP’s‘s UFOs. I just saw a program by One of the makers of countdown of the kingdom I forget to which guy it was. Did a short program saying that all space aliens are probably demonic. I watch this entire program and nothing was brought up on the concept of space aliens being demonic. I wish you guys would do another show and bring it to a deeper level of the possibilities of what is taking place that people are seeing and calling UFOs. I feel like we are seeing things all over the world that are hard to understand and I follow do you have a community pretty closely. Because I’d like to know the truth of what’s going on around me. I believe we have deep dark government programs that are doing experiments making craft the people do not understand what they’re saying. And it’s not even people from space but human beings playing with expensive and experimental spacecraft that is top-secret. I don’t know where I stand on believing in other human like beings in space but I do believe if they’re out there we should be called to baptize them as the Bible says we should baptize all creatures. Anyway this is some of my thoughts. I felt the show didn’t get as deep as I was hoping that you would get into the concept of aliens in Christianity I feel like you just barely skim the surface and at the end of the show you kind of lost talking about the subject and started meandering to other things. But thank you for at least attempting to put a show like this together I think there is a lot of lost Christians believing that space aliens could be new saviors of the world and this needs to come to a close I don’t think extraterrestrials are going to be a better savior to human beings. I believe we are to bring Jesus to the ET community not the other way around.
The video is called "Imminent Alien & UFO Deception -- Exorcist Fr. Dan Reehil & Daniel O'Connor -- Resist The Coming Lie". BTW, they didn't say that an "alien appearance" would "probably" be demonic, they said that it would definitely be demonic, because alien life is IMPOSSIBLE, and even went so far as to say that claiming otherwise would be contrary to the Catholic faith. This disagreement is going to be more than a little interesting. I have the highest possible respect for both Daniel and Matt, but both sides are so dug in that it looks like we're headed for the Gunfight at the OK Corral.
Angels being spiritual creatures do not need a physical spacecraft with blinking lights.
@@TruthHasSpokenno, but nephilim still on earth do
@@calebgamer1720 Interesting that no one can ever find one.
Demonic
Aliens =demons
Demons = fallen angels
Angels = non-human intelligences
@@Danaluni59 Demons and fallen angels could be two different things. Demons could be the cursed spirits of the nephilim in Noah's time, searching for bodies to take over to partake in their vices. Where as fallen angels are fallen angels.
@@Danaluni59 What if some angels are unfallen and others are fallen.
This sounds like when the leftists say things like Conservatives = Nazis.
Demons = aliens
Regarding whether or not extra-terrrestrials exist, and whether Christ's atonement would be efficacious for other planets and their inhabitants, I believe that my faith answers both of those questions. God is omnipotent, and He does fill creation with His good works. I don't spend any time, therefore, worrying about aliens. 🙂
I invite you to look in Alma 34:10, and D&C 76:24.
Def going to buy this
I don’t think we can be certain this was a quote from Padre Pio. Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the only incarnate rational creations are humans, and hence they can only know God. (Angels are rational but they are not incarnate - they don’t have a physical body). Search up Daniel O’Conner, he has some TH-cam videos and good blog pages on this topic.
He would NEVER say that. Yes Daniel O'Connor has the truth on this issue!
It was debunked by Daniel O’Connor
Didn't Jesus Christ die once, and God created the earth the planet's etc. and called it all good. Man created by God was called very good, as we are created in his own image. It seems the universe was created for human's, maybe to ponder and think how great is God.
I've always been open to this simply because we are here, so shouldn't there be more life elsewhere?
Where in scripture does it say Mary queen of the universe
I can’t believe you are even entertaining this convo! It’s ridiculous.
“On the 8th Day, God created E.T.”
Gratuity of immortality does not negate that a rational natures implies and is required for immortality. The reason is that a rational nature itself is a gratuity. Immortality and reason are two ways of looking at the same one gratuity, like two sides of a coin or the exterior and interior angles of 180 degrees (the various aspects of one geometric figure).
A lot of people can bend over backwards (depending on age) but holding that position and sticking your tongue out would be hard as when you bend over backwards like that your legs want to automatically follow to put you back up straight again, we used to do that when we were kids and it was called Crabs bend as we used to see who could walk the furthest in that position.
Hey all help me out, @ 15:07 in the discussion Dr. Thigpen claims that Humani Generis argues that immortality is a gratuitous gift and that as such a rational creature might not also have the gift of immortality. What paragraph could he be referencing in Humani Generis??
It becomes obvious that neither of these individuals have heard Richard Doty interview and continue walking back and forth on catholic history and faith. Maybe time to plan your religious exit should it be established that a true almighty does exist and actually lives in the constellation ???
Question for those here. How do we know that all of this _isn't_ synonymous with Angels/Demons. I'm genuinely curious in that regard. It is a matter of semantics, but in the end could "alien"=angel/demon? Why or why not?
I think under one interpretation, sure, we could say that angels fall within the definition of "alien", if by "alien" all we mean is a "creature of God that isn't originating from Earth". But if by "alien" we mean to specify something that shares in the property of having a material body, like cows and humans do, then angels wouldn't fit that criterion, since angels are spirit only. And I think usually when people speculate about 'aliens', what they're trying to speculate about is something that has a physical body in the same way that humans and cows (and ravens and whales) have physical bodies.
Demons are spiritual beings but can manifest in the physical world and theoretically could take on any form they want. (Jesus permitting) Scripture tells us of angels taking on a physical human form and demons possessing humans.
So any alien sighting could possibly be a demon however it seems to be a bit of a stretch to say demons if the alien leaves behind technology or even a dead alien body.
@@johnbeyerym2771 Agreed it's a stretch. I personally like Jimmy Akin's interpretive approach that a phenomenon should always be taken at face value unless we have evidence to the contrary.
So, when I pass my neighbour in the hallway, I should assume she's my neighbour, not the CIA in a rubber mask, or an alien using holographic technology, or an angelic being presenting in human form, even though a novelist could make up any of those scenarios.
Or if a mysterious phenomenon manifests as a haunting, with rattling chains and the sound of "ooOOoooOOohhhhh..." we should examine the evidence for and against it being a haunting, but not jump to "aliens" as one of the primary theories needing examination, even though a novelist could construct a scenario in which aliens imitated a human haunting to amuse themselves.
Or if someone claims they were taken aboard an alien spaceship and probed by aliens, we should examine the evidence for and against aliens, and not jump to "demons" as one of the primary theories, even though a novelist could technically frame demons as having tried to give humans an impression of aliens, etc.
Like, many things are _technically_ possible (on at least a theoretical level, even if not everything actually happens). But technical theoretical possibility isn't evidence in favour of a theory more exotic than the actual evidence points us toward, and it's typically best to follow the actual evidence where it points. (I say "typically" only because sometimes the point of a conversation may be "fun", not real truth-seeking, and okay, if buddies are just trying to have a fun "what-if" conversation about aliens masquerading as ghosts or something, I won't be the buzz-kill unless they start to take it seriously.)
@@caterinadc5567 Yes! Jimmy Akin does an excellent job covering this material. Have you seen his episode on Alien Implants #80 ? It is really fascinating.
The “aliens” are demons 100%
This is an interesting topic and I make this comment without having watched the entire video. But perhaps the Dr Paul could address what I see as the most fundamental flaw in the concept of rational aliens which is polygenism which goes against the Church teachings. Pope Pius XII in 1950 specifically addressed the problem of polygenism in the Encyclical Humani Generis:
[T]he Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter…..When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own (Humani Generis, 36-37).
Alien lifeforms would contradict this teaching of the Church as they would not be men or rational creatures that took their natural generation through Adam. Whether these creatures are born here on earth or on another planet is irrelevant to this fundamental teaching.
Didn't they address this, though, in the discussion about rational souls? Pope Pius XII excludes, in this quote, the possibility of the existence of "true men" who didn't take their origin from Adam, but Neanderthals, aliens, and other hominids aren't true men in the sense of Adam. It's the same explanation I've seen regarding the other humans encountered by Cain and the possibility of theistic evolution.
Thanks!
1:23:30: Matt,it’s ok. It’s an exercise in faith that “ Men will always be mad. And the maddest of all are those who would try to cure them”. Voltaire.
Nie, nie. Obcy to demony.